Senator Dianne Feinstein Moves To Ban ALL Assault Rifles, High Capacity Magazines...

[Harry Dresden]

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Really? So who will the government get to enforce such an unconstitutional agenda? You and all the other anti gun nuts?

Good question..

The day we come for your guns, everyone will be cheering because, frankly, you people are scarier than shit.

well i guess you just answered my question i asked a minute ago....

 

[daveman]

Well, there wouldn't be any gun nuts..

because if the government did decide to take your guns, you'd all be on the Koresh Express to the Netherworld.

There it is, folks, the ultimate leftist response to disagreement:

Mass murder.

You want my gun, boy?

Come get it.

But of course, you won't. You're a pussy.

Naw, I'll send a professional out to do it.

Which is what make you nuts really funny. You think that you are going to fight the government and win. That's even crazier than keeping an arsenal to fight off that hoard of minority drug addicts you apparently think are raping and pillaging the land...

Pussy. Every post confirms.

 

[daveman]

What Dave lives in mortal fear of, apparently...

Liar. I fear no one -- especially pussies like you.

You, however, wet your pants in fear at the thought of freedom.

 

[JoeB131]

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Big oppressive government thanks you for your mindless support, but wants you to know you will be stepped on like a bug the very second it serves their purpose.

You will not be one of the few chosen to rule over all the others. You will not be granted power and wealth. Your fantasies are ridiculous.

You will be an impotent servant your entire life, bitter and hateful, but not against those who have enslaved you -- because you went willingly.

No, you will hate those who warned you.

You might want to live in fear all your life, I'd rather take sensible steps to fix problems.

Joker Holmes being able to buy guns is a problem.
Every time you have a mass shooting, three things happen.

1) We find out that this guy was nutz, and everyone in his life knew it.
2) We find out despite being nutz, they had no problem getting a gun.
3) The NRA and it's chorus of nutters go into complete defensive mode...

 

[JoeB131]

What Dave lives in mortal fear of, apparently...

Liar. I fear no one -- especially pussies like you.

You, however, wet your pants in fear at the thought of freedom.

I have no problem with freedom....

You are the one cowering from the scary minorities...

Don't own a gun, and don't need to, I don't live in terror like you apparently do.

 

[daveman]

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Big oppressive government thanks you for your mindless support, but wants you to know you will be stepped on like a bug the very second it serves their purpose.

You will not be one of the few chosen to rule over all the others. You will not be granted power and wealth. Your fantasies are ridiculous.

You will be an impotent servant your entire life, bitter and hateful, but not against those who have enslaved you -- because you went willingly.

No, you will hate those who warned you.

You might want to live in fear all your life, I'd rather take sensible steps to fix problems.

Joker Holmes being able to buy guns is a problem.
Every time you have a mass shooting, three things happen.

1) We find out that this guy was nutz, and everyone in his life knew it.
2) We find out despite being nutz, they had no problem getting a gun.
3) The NRA and it's chorus of nutters go into complete defensive mode...

You keep lying, pussy. But then, you're completely disconnected from reality.

Meanwhile, your terror of freedom demands that law-abiding citizens be disarmed. Your love for criminals ignores the fact that guns laws do not deter criminals.

 

[daveman]

What Dave lives in mortal fear of, apparently...

Liar. I fear no one -- especially pussies like you.

You, however, wet your pants in fear at the thought of freedom.

I have no problem with freedom....

Horseshit. You want to take it away from people. Correction: You want the government to take it away from people, because you're a pussy.

You are the one cowering from the scary minorities...

Liar.

Don't own a gun, and don't need to, I don't live in terror like you apparently do.

Yes, you do. You're terrified of freedom.

 

[JoeB131]

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You keep lying, pussy. But then, you're completely disconnected from reality.

Meanwhile, your terror of freedom demands that law-abiding citizens be disarmed. Your love for criminals ignores the fact that guns laws do not deter criminals.

If the law changes and says you can't have a gun or can't have a certain kind of gun, and you keep it, you aren't "law-abiding" at that point.

It's the same argument you guys use about illegal aliens who otherwise work and keep out of trouble...

 

[JoeB131]

Liar. I fear no one -- especially pussies like you.

You, however, wet your pants in fear at the thought of freedom.

I have no problem with freedom....

Horseshit. You want to take it away from people. Correction: You want the government to take it away from people, because you're a pussy.

You are the one cowering from the scary minorities...

Liar.

Don't own a gun, and don't need to, I don't live in terror like you apparently do.

Yes, you do. You're terrified of freedom.

Guy, most of the world, private citizens don't own guns, and they are just as free as we are.

Guns do not make you any freer.... you can cling to your gun and your bible, and watch your middle class lifestyle get taken away by big multi-national corporations, and you can feel "Free" because you have your gun... but you really aren't.

You live an illusion.

 

[JoeB131]

Senator Dianne Feinstein Moves To Ban ALL Assault Rifles, High Capacity Magazines, and Pistol Grips

Good for her.

You do know this will not stop the criminals from getting these guns. All this does is prevent law abiding citizens to get them and in some areas you need these to protect youself like Chicago and LA ect .

If you need a gun to protect yourself in ANY part of the country, shame on us as a country.

Number of murders in the UK - 648
Number of murders in the US - 15241

Now, how many of those happen with guns...

Number of murders by firearms in the UK - 39
Number of murders by firearms in the US - 9146


Over 9,000 Murders by Gun in US; 39 in UK | Informed Comment

 

[NoNukes]

Again who are you going to get to enforce the confiscation? I can assure you you'll also be fighting cops deputy sheriffs and members of the fine N.C. State Police. So who will you get too enforce it?

again, that's what David Koresh thought...

Big oppressive government thanks you for your mindless support, but wants you to know you will be stepped on like a bug the very second it serves their purpose.

You will not be one of the few chosen to rule over all the others. You will not be granted power and wealth. Your fantasies are ridiculous.

You will be an impotent servant your entire life, bitter and hateful, but not against those who have enslaved you -- because you went willingly.

No, you will hate those who warned you.

What a paranoid fool this one is. Why would you live in a country if you feel like this about the government?

 

[JoeB131]

again, that's what David Koresh thought...

Big oppressive government thanks you for your mindless support, but wants you to know you will be stepped on like a bug the very second it serves their purpose.

You will not be one of the few chosen to rule over all the others. You will not be granted power and wealth. Your fantasies are ridiculous.

You will be an impotent servant your entire life, bitter and hateful, but not against those who have enslaved you -- because you went willingly.

No, you will hate those who warned you.

What a paranoid fool this one is. Why would you live in a country if you feel like this about the government?

He needs someone to blame for his inadequeicies, much like he needs the guns to make up for his "shortcomings"....

 

[thereisnospoon]

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A lot of women there, how big do you think their dicks got?
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I've seen the kind of women who show up at guns shows, and frankly, I wouldn't want to speculate about their genitalia...

None, research has shown criminals don't purchase murder weapons at gun shows.

Actually, research has show exactly the opposite...

Gun shows in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From 2004 to 2006, ATF conducted surveillance and undercover investigations at 195 gun shows (approximately 2% of all shows). Specific targeting of suspected individuals (77%) resulted in 121 individual arrests and 5,345 firearms seizures. Seventy nine of the 121 ATF operation plans were known suspects previously under investigation.[1]

In 2003 and 2004, the San Francisco ATF Field Division conducted six general operations at Reno, Nevada, gun shows to investigate interstate firearms trafficking. During these operations, "agents purchased firearms and identified violations related to "off paper" sales, sales to out-of-state residents, and dealing in firearms without a license." The "ATF seized or purchased 400 firearms before making arrests and executing search warrants, which resulted in the seizure of an additional 600 firearms and the recovery of explosives."[1]
ATF's Columbus Field Division conducted its anti-trafficking operations based on intelligence from Cleveland police that "many of the guns recovered in high-crime areas of the city had been purchased at local gun shows." Subsequent gun show sting operations resulted in the seizure of "5 guns, one indictment, and two pending indictments for felony possession of a firearm." The state of Ohio is one of the top ten source states for recovered guns used in crime.[1]
The ATF's Phoenix Field Division reported that "many gun shows attracted large numbers of gang members from Mexico and California. They often bought large quantities of assault weapons and smuggled them into Mexico or transported them to California."[1] Garen Wintemute, a professor at the University of California at Davis, calls Arizona and Texas a "gunrunner's paradise."[

But your final point is probably truer than you think...

Junkies or in this case criminals don't rob people that are armed to the teeth, they look for easier unarmed targets

Now, this is very true. Most home break-ins (72%) occur when no one is home. In the other 28% of cases, the break in occurs when the burglar only thinks no one is home, and they usually run away when they find out someone is. In fact, they usually "case the joint", to use the lingo, make sure everyone is gone.

And of course, any guns in the house usually end up getting stolen..

How many times have you been told wiki is unreliable and cannot be used as a fact source.
Criminals do not rob people in areas where the people are permitted to carry and own firearms. Of course they don't rob those who are carrying.
A week does not go by where there is not at least one home invasion robbery that goes bad for the criminal. Happened here last month. Two fucking POS scum bags broke into an elderly couple's home. One was shot dead, the other was wounded and was found at a local hospital with the through and through.
Of course the family members of the perps said "these are good boys. They didn't rob nobody. That man didn't have to shoot them"..
Meanwhile both these fuck heads had records as long as the Dead Sea Scrolls.

 

[JoeB131]

How many times have you been told wiki is unreliable and cannot be used as a fact source.

Never once by anyone whose opinion I respected.

Wiki is seriously sourced and fact checked. What you said might be true, 10 years ago, but now so much now.

Criminals do not rob people in areas where the people are permitted to carry and own firearms. Of course they don't rob those who are carrying.

No, usually, they wait until no one is home, then they break in and steal what they want, including the guns...

A week does not go by where there is not at least one home invasion robbery that goes bad for the criminal. Happened here last month. Two fucking POS scum bags broke into an elderly couple's home. One was shot dead, the other was wounded and was found at a local hospital with the through and through.

Yes, and I'm sure these stories are like porn to you, but frankly, if we lock up 2 million people, have another 7 million on parole or probation, arm ourselves to the teeth, and we have the highest crime rates in the industrialized world, do you think, maybe, just maybe, we are doing something wrong?

Naaaahhhh.. Probably never occurs to you.

Of course the family members of the perps said "these are good boys. They didn't rob nobody. That man didn't have to shoot them"..
Meanwhile both these fuck heads had records as long as the Dead Sea Scrolls.

So again, I ask, why do we have so many people with records so long walking the streets.

Oh, that's right, because instead of teaching them how to read, and making sure they have good paying jobs, crime and vice are the only career paths available to them.

Then we have to let them walk the streets, because we've already got 2 million people locked up, and we have to let the rapist go to find a cell for a murderer.

Oh, yeah, and let's cut Prison Guard Salaries and benefits, those lazy-ass government workers.

Did I miss anything?

Meanwhile, in the United Kingdom, they only have 39 firearms deaths compared to our 9156, and they only have 78,000 prisoners compared to our 2 Million....

Hmmmmm...

 

[thereisnospoon]

Scalia has a heart attack. Obama appoints his replacement. Heller is reconsidered.

The second means militias again.

The militia consist of a group of private citizens not connected to the government, who supply their own firearms.
If that is how you want to go.

Not connected?

The congress has authority over militias.

Incorrect. The "militia" is defined as National Guard. The governors of the respective States have authority over those troops.
Yes, they can be deployed overseas during war time. THAT however is the ONLY authority
the federal government has over the National Guard.
Case and point, during the aftermath of Katrina, then Gov Blanco had the sole authority to deploy Louisiana Guard troops. She refused.
Case and point. Gov Cuomo of NY wanted to offer NG Troops assistance to NYC, Mayor super Lib REFUSED, stating Guard troops carry guns. Doomburg did not want anyone beside the NYPD to be carrying weapons in Liberal Land.
Meanwhile the people pf the outer Boroughs, the ones Doomberg could not care less about, continue to suffer. They have no power, food, heat or fuel yet they stay in their homes because there is no one to protect them from looting and other crimes.
I know you live in the City. I read the Post and the News on line too. As well as the SI Advance and LI Newsday. So don't go telling me I don't know anything. News is available to anyone who knows how to look for it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

There's no point in continuing this. You'll cling to any study, no matter how flawed, as long as it reinforces your irrational hatred of guns.

I've shown you how Kellerman is wrong. I've shown you stats from reliable sources that disprove your claims. You ignore them all.

You don't want the truth. You hate guns, and that's all that matters to you.

No, guy you proved nothing of the sort.

If you kill yourself with a gun, that gun killed you. If you have 37 gun suicides and 4 gun domestic murders to every home defense murder, that's a 43-1 ratio of the gun being more of a hazard than a help. This was the point Kellerman made. NOw, it might not be a point you LIKE, but it is a fact. Guns in the house are far more likely to kill someone in the house.

Frankly, I'm indifferent to guns. I fired them when I was in the army and was responsible for maintaining them. I have no problem with guns.

I just don't think everyone should have them.

And I think your reasons for wanting them are silly and kind of tell us more about you (nothing good) than about the gun's utility.

You're indifferent on guns? 868 posts on how you think guns or rather certain guns should be banned and your reasons why and you claim to be indifferent? Time for the chest waders. The bullshit from you is getting deep.

 

[thereisnospoon]

that limit on how many guns? so what the number YOU would allow then...?


and as far as that photo goes, you do know in Staten Island abc interviewed folks who were performing their own neighborhood watch for looters and gosh some of them admitted to having ....firearms

Well, how about a little common sense gun control.

You don't need a 100 round clip or a semi-automatic weapon. We can start right there.

Also, we should make sure that you aren't crazy when you buy one.

And limiting someone to one gun purchase a month isn't unreasonable. I mean, Jesus Christ, what are you stocking up for, the Zombie Apocolypse?

I love it when one of you libs makes a statement such as "you don't need"..
You use it about guns, income, wealth, personal property....You people are in support of absolute security and zero freedom.

 

[JoeB131]

You're indifferent on guns? 868 posts on how you think guns or rather certain guns should be banned and your reasons why and you claim to be indifferent? Time for the chest waders. The bullshit from you is getting deep.

I've made 22,000 posts here (nearly). Posts on Guns (if your number is accurte, which I doubt) would be only about 4% of the posts I've made.

And incidently, I really don't think guns can be banned, but we can make the laws tighter and more sensible.

 

[JoeB131]

that limit on how many guns? so what the number YOU would allow then...?


and as far as that photo goes, you do know in Staten Island abc interviewed folks who were performing their own neighborhood watch for looters and gosh some of them admitted to having ....firearms

Well, how about a little common sense gun control.

You don't need a 100 round clip or a semi-automatic weapon. We can start right there.

Also, we should make sure that you aren't crazy when you buy one.

And limiting someone to one gun purchase a month isn't unreasonable. I mean, Jesus Christ, what are you stocking up for, the Zombie Apocolypse?

I love it when one of you libs makes a statement such as "you don't need"..
You use it about guns, income, wealth, personal property....You people are in support of absolute security and zero freedom.

I don't measure freedom as "The ability of a crazy person to buy a clip that will allow him to shoot 100 people without reloading"

I'm not sure why you do.

 

[thereisnospoon]

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SCOTUS says you're full of shit. Your pouting and stamping your feet alters that not at all.

SCOTUS says that now, but frankly, Scalia and Thomas ain't gonna live forever and Obama gets to appoint their replacements.

Then, buh-bye crazy interpretations of the Constitution...

Yes, leave it to the most socialist president in the history of the USA to appoint far left wing activist SC Justices.
Hey genius, did it ever occur to you that Scalia and Thomas have already been asked to stay on the Court for another 4 years?
And as long as Roberts is a the Chief Justice it is he who decides which cases get heard.
Of course, you could always wish for Obama to bypass the process by issuing an executive order.
Obama does not govern. He rules.
Umm the Second Amendment is in no way ambiguous.
The US Constitution is what it is. It is not the personal toy of liberals to be molded and folded into what they want it to say.
Your side will have a tough time if you keep going down this path.
Your side demands compromise. You won't get it by furthering a far left agenda.
Remember, the GOP is in the majority of the House. The GOP also has 30 of 50 State governor seats. The majority of state legislatures are GOP.
Please don't go thinking Obama has a mandate. You would be incorrect.
The GOP can stop anything Obama wants to do. The representatives in the US House represent the will of the people. Not the president. Not the Senate. Even if they are all GOP, it does not matter.
Lok, you lefties can wish all you like. This is not happening. It's political suicide for anyone who tries.
In another somewhat unrelated matter,
Feinstein, Maxine Watters and Nancy Pelosi are the poster children for term limits.
Eventually common sense will prevail and we will have Senate and House term limits.
There are far too many career politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle that are living off the entrenchment of incumbency.