Senate Republicans show a spine

[WelfareQueen]

Should election laws be faithfully implemented and enforced? Are voters rights to equal protection under the law comprised if election laws are ignored or changed illegally?

That is the question before the Court. Hopefully they will have the balls to do their job. However, I am not confident that will happen. If so, we are all fucked.

IF they were changed "illegally" why did you wait until AFTER this election to protest? Why only in states you lost?

Good point, and I agree. But you gals are still completely obsessed with Trump. I moved on two weeks ago. This is about any State abusing election law. If you can put your Trump obsession aside for a moment you would see what happened is a very bad thing. Individual cities or Counties do not get to decide election law. Only the State Legislature can do that. Many States ignored their own laws regarding elections. That is bad for all of us.

I know you are having fun spiking the football. That's cool. I understand. But try for a second to see the bigger picture. I know you are a decent person. I also know you can clearly understand exactly my point.

WQ...you are a poster I am fond of...so try to understand. This isnt about how I feel about Trump...in fact it is a bit disengenius to counteract every criticism of Trump with "orange man bad" type of stuff.

The bigger picture, for me, is a group of people literally trying to disenfranchise millions of voters because they did not like the results. IF the case had merit...it should have come up during the primaries... before tbe general election...but it did not. If there was merit...all those down ticket Republicans who WON their races under those rules would step down and refuse to accept victory...but they havent.

That pretty much says, along with the court decisions this this is BS...or worse. An attempt to utterly destroy the democratic process and instead install a president the people did not vote for.

I do not know what was done during the primaries. I known in Pennsylvania the State Attorney General tried to say votes received three days after the election would count in violation of Pennsylvania law. She got slapped down by the courts. In Wayne County Michigan (Detroit) local election officials said they ignored Michigan Law to not count ballots without signatures as required by law. They counted them anyway.

There are other examples. This is not about Biden or Trump anymore. We have to run fair elections based on the Law. If we do not we're fucked. The reason Trump lost the lawsuits was not based on the merits of the cases (usually) it was based on exactly what you are saying. Judges did not want to to throw out thousands of legit votes when it could not be determined what was real or valid and what was not.

Right now elections are open season. I expect the next election cycle both sides will ignore the law and cheat like mofo's as there is clearly no consequence for ignoring the law. That is very bad for all of us. And if you don't think the GOP will cheat like crazy the next election cycle you're dreaming.

But like someone said. The Astro's cheated to win the World Series. New England cheated to win a Super Bowl, Both teams still have the Trophies. There is rarely a consequence after the fact. Enjoy your victory.

 

[rightwinger]

126 House Republicans and 18 states supported the disenfranchisement of 10 million voters in a partisan display of winning at all costs

Sad day for America

 

[Pogo]

Should election laws be faithfully implemented and enforced? Are voters rights to equal protection under the law comprised if election laws are ignored or changed illegally?

That is the question before the Court. Hopefully they will have the balls to do their job. However, I am not confident that will happen. If so, we are all fucked.

IF they were changed "illegally" why did you wait until AFTER this election to protest? Why only in states you lost?

Good point, and I agree. But you gals are still completely obsessed with Trump. I moved on two weeks ago. This is about any State abusing election law. If you can put your Trump obsession aside for a moment you would see what happened is a very bad thing. Individual cities or Counties do not get to decide election law. Only the State Legislature can do that. Many States ignored their own laws regarding elections. That is bad for all of us.

I know you are having fun spiking the football. That's cool. I understand. But try for a second to see the bigger picture. I know you are a decent person. I also know you can clearly understand exactly my point.

AGAIN --- Texas is NOT the arbiter of whether state X abused ITS OWN election law. The state X supreme court does that.

 

[L.K.Eder]

126 House Republicans and 18 states supported the disenfranchisement of 10 million voters in a partisan display of winning at all costs

Sad day for America

add to that the cool imaginary states of New California and New Nevada. hahahaha

 

[Pogo]

False. Read the actual rulings.

You mean the one that just deep-sixed Texas's retarded lawsuit?

Did you read it? The ruling did not say a thing about the merits of the case. Nothing. The Court ducked on making a decision by claiming Texas did not have standing. That is all. No need for you to continuing going full retard.

The SCOTUS --- or any court --- doesn't need to comment on the merits or lack thereof of a case in that position. If the claimant doesn't have standing --- IT ISN'T A CASE. There's no point in commenting on a case which by definition does not exist. A claimant that does not have standing, cannot bring a case. If there is no case, then there is no "decision" to be made.

 

[Coyote]

Should election laws be faithfully implemented and enforced? Are voters rights to equal protection under the law comprised if election laws are ignored or changed illegally?

That is the question before the Court. Hopefully they will have the balls to do their job. However, I am not confident that will happen. If so, we are all fucked.

IF they were changed "illegally" why did you wait until AFTER this election to protest? Why only in states you lost?

Good point, and I agree. But you gals are still completely obsessed with Trump. I moved on two weeks ago. This is about any State abusing election law. If you can put your Trump obsession aside for a moment you would see what happened is a very bad thing. Individual cities or Counties do not get to decide election law. Only the State Legislature can do that. Many States ignored their own laws regarding elections. That is bad for all of us.

I know you are having fun spiking the football. That's cool. I understand. But try for a second to see the bigger picture. I know you are a decent person. I also know you can clearly understand exactly my point.

WQ...you are a poster I am fond of...so try to understand. This isnt about how I feel about Trump...in fact it is a bit disengenius to counteract every criticism of Trump with "orange man bad" type of stuff.

The bigger picture, for me, is a group of people literally trying to disenfranchise millions of voters because they did not like the results. IF the case had merit...it should have come up during the primaries... before tbe general election...but it did not. If there was merit...all those down ticket Republicans who WON their races under those rules would step down and refuse to accept victory...but they havent.

That pretty much says, along with the court decisions this this is BS...or worse. An attempt to utterly destroy the democratic process and instead install a president the people did not vote for.

I do not know what was done during the primaries. I known in Pennsylvania the State Attorney General tried to say votes received three days after the election would count in violation of Pennsylvania law. She got slapped down by the courts. In Wayne County Michigan (Detroit) local election officials said they ignored Michigan Law to not count ballots without signatures as required by law. They counted them anyway.

There are other examples. This is not about Biden or Trump anymore. We have to run fair elections based on the Law. If we do not we're fucked. The reason Trump lost the lawsuits was not based on the merits of the cases (usually) it was based on exactly what you are saying. Judges did not want to to throw out thousands of legit votes when it could not be determined what was real or valid and what was not.

Right now elections are open season. I expect the next election cycle both sides will ignore the law and cheat like mofo's as there is clearly no consequence for ignoring the law. That is very bad for all of us. And if you don't think the GOP will cheat like crazy the next election cycle you're dreaming.

But like someone said. The Astro's cheated to win the World Series. New England cheated to win a Super Bowl, Both teams still have the Trophies. There is rarely a consequence after the fact. Enjoy your victory.

I trust our electoral integrity, just as I also have a lot of trust in our institutions, including police. Maybe I am somewhat conservative. If laws were broken...two things occur to me. One...the courts did not agree, and two...this was all done long before the general election, in response to Covid concerns (which is why primaries ran under it). That means that people voted in good faith, according to the rules they were given. To suddenly decide, after the general election, that this was wrong...is to knowingly willfully disenfranchise millions of legal voters.

Why was it only BAD aftwr the election....but not before?

I think this is far far worse.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Should election laws be faithfully implemented and enforced? Are voters rights to equal protection under the law comprised if election laws are ignored or changed illegally?

That is the question before the Court. Hopefully they will have the balls to do their job. However, I am not confident that will happen. If so, we are all fucked.

IF they were changed "illegally" why did you wait until AFTER this election to protest? Why only in states you lost?

Good point, and I agree. But you gals are still completely obsessed with Trump. I moved on two weeks ago. This is about any State abusing election law. If you can put your Trump obsession aside for a moment you would see what happened is a very bad thing. Individual cities or Counties do not get to decide election law. Only the State Legislature can do that. Many States ignored their own laws regarding elections. That is bad for all of us.

I know you are having fun spiking the football. That's cool. I understand. But try for a second to see the bigger picture. I know you are a decent person. I also know you can clearly understand exactly my point.

AGAIN --- Texas is NOT the arbiter of whether state X abused ITS OWN election law. The state X supreme court does that.

The case was about equal protection under the Law. That is a Federal not State issue. Personally, I am not fixated on Texas. Were State election Laws upheld? In many instances no according to the State Courts. But they did not want to throw out thousands of legit votes. It was a catch 22.

 

[WelfareQueen]

False. Read the actual rulings.

You mean the one that just deep-sixed Texas's retarded lawsuit?

Did you read it? The ruling did not say a thing about the merits of the case. Nothing. The Court ducked on making a decision by claiming Texas did not have standing. That is all. No need for you to continuing going full retard.

The SCOTUS --- or any court --- doesn't need to comment on the merits or lack thereof of a case in that position. If the claimant doesn't have standing --- IT ISN'T A CASE. There's no point in commenting on a case which by definition does not exist. A claimant that does not have standing, cannot bring a case. If there is no case, then there is no "decision" to be made.

They ducked. Period. I don't blame them. Just keep pushing the ball down the road.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Should election laws be faithfully implemented and enforced? Are voters rights to equal protection under the law comprised if election laws are ignored or changed illegally?

That is the question before the Court. Hopefully they will have the balls to do their job. However, I am not confident that will happen. If so, we are all fucked.

IF they were changed "illegally" why did you wait until AFTER this election to protest? Why only in states you lost?

Good point, and I agree. But you gals are still completely obsessed with Trump. I moved on two weeks ago. This is about any State abusing election law. If you can put your Trump obsession aside for a moment you would see what happened is a very bad thing. Individual cities or Counties do not get to decide election law. Only the State Legislature can do that. Many States ignored their own laws regarding elections. That is bad for all of us.

I know you are having fun spiking the football. That's cool. I understand. But try for a second to see the bigger picture. I know you are a decent person. I also know you can clearly understand exactly my point.

WQ...you are a poster I am fond of...so try to understand. This isnt about how I feel about Trump...in fact it is a bit disengenius to counteract every criticism of Trump with "orange man bad" type of stuff.

The bigger picture, for me, is a group of people literally trying to disenfranchise millions of voters because they did not like the results. IF the case had merit...it should have come up during the primaries... before tbe general election...but it did not. If there was merit...all those down ticket Republicans who WON their races under those rules would step down and refuse to accept victory...but they havent.

That pretty much says, along with the court decisions this this is BS...or worse. An attempt to utterly destroy the democratic process and instead install a president the people did not vote for.

I do not know what was done during the primaries. I known in Pennsylvania the State Attorney General tried to say votes received three days after the election would count in violation of Pennsylvania law. She got slapped down by the courts. In Wayne County Michigan (Detroit) local election officials said they ignored Michigan Law to not count ballots without signatures as required by law. They counted them anyway.

There are other examples. This is not about Biden or Trump anymore. We have to run fair elections based on the Law. If we do not we're fucked. The reason Trump lost the lawsuits was not based on the merits of the cases (usually) it was based on exactly what you are saying. Judges did not want to to throw out thousands of legit votes when it could not be determined what was real or valid and what was not.

Right now elections are open season. I expect the next election cycle both sides will ignore the law and cheat like mofo's as there is clearly no consequence for ignoring the law. That is very bad for all of us. And if you don't think the GOP will cheat like crazy the next election cycle you're dreaming.

But like someone said. The Astro's cheated to win the World Series. New England cheated to win a Super Bowl, Both teams still have the Trophies. There is rarely a consequence after the fact. Enjoy your victory.

I trust our electoral integrity, just as I also have a lot of trust in our institutions, including police. Maybe I am somewhat conservative. If laws were broken...two things occur to me. One...the courts did not agree, and two...this was all done long before the general election, in response to Covid concerns (which is why primaries ran under it). That means that people voted in good faith, according to the rules they were given. To suddenly decide, after the general election, that this was wrong...is to knowingly willfully disenfranchise millions of legal voters.
election
Why was it only BAD aftwr the election....but not before?

I think this is far far worse.

Okay. No sane person wants legit votes thrown out, That is a fucked up remedy, So we agree, But election laws were systemically ignored or misused in this election. Massively. There is no question of that.

It cannot happen again.

 

[Coyote]

Should election laws be faithfully implemented and enforced? Are voters rights to equal protection under the law comprised if election laws are ignored or changed illegally?

That is the question before the Court. Hopefully they will have the balls to do their job. However, I am not confident that will happen. If so, we are all fucked.

IF they were changed "illegally" why did you wait until AFTER this election to protest? Why only in states you lost?

Good point, and I agree. But you gals are still completely obsessed with Trump. I moved on two weeks ago. This is about any State abusing election law. If you can put your Trump obsession aside for a moment you would see what happened is a very bad thing. Individual cities or Counties do not get to decide election law. Only the State Legislature can do that. Many States ignored their own laws regarding elections. That is bad for all of us.

I know you are having fun spiking the football. That's cool. I understand. But try for a second to see the bigger picture. I know you are a decent person. I also know you can clearly understand exactly my point.

WQ...you are a poster I am fond of...so try to understand. This isnt about how I feel about Trump...in fact it is a bit disengenius to counteract every criticism of Trump with "orange man bad" type of stuff.

The bigger picture, for me, is a group of people literally trying to disenfranchise millions of voters because they did not like the results. IF the case had merit...it should have come up during the primaries... before tbe general election...but it did not. If there was merit...all those down ticket Republicans who WON their races under those rules would step down and refuse to accept victory...but they havent.

That pretty much says, along with the court decisions this this is BS...or worse. An attempt to utterly destroy the democratic process and instead install a president the people did not vote for.

I do not know what was done during the primaries. I known in Pennsylvania the State Attorney General tried to say votes received three days after the election would count in violation of Pennsylvania law. She got slapped down by the courts. In Wayne County Michigan (Detroit) local election officials said they ignored Michigan Law to not count ballots without signatures as required by law. They counted them anyway.

There are other examples. This is not about Biden or Trump anymore. We have to run fair elections based on the Law. If we do not we're fucked. The reason Trump lost the lawsuits was not based on the merits of the cases (usually) it was based on exactly what you are saying. Judges did not want to to throw out thousands of legit votes when it could not be determined what was real or valid and what was not.

Right now elections are open season. I expect the next election cycle both sides will ignore the law and cheat like mofo's as there is clearly no consequence for ignoring the law. That is very bad for all of us. And if you don't think the GOP will cheat like crazy the next election cycle you're dreaming.

But like someone said. The Astro's cheated to win the World Series. New England cheated to win a Super Bowl, Both teams still have the Trophies. There is rarely a consequence after the fact. Enjoy your victory.

I trust our electoral integrity, just as I also have a lot of trust in our institutions, including police. Maybe I am somewhat conservative. If laws were broken...two things occur to me. One...the courts did not agree, and two...this was all done long before the general election, in response to Covid concerns (which is why primaries ran under it). That means that people voted in good faith, according to the rules they were given. To suddenly decide, after the general election, that this was wrong...is to knowingly willfully disenfranchise millions of legal voters.
election
Why was it only BAD aftwr the election....but not before?

I think this is far far worse.

Okay. No sane person wants legit votes thrown out, That is a fucked up remedy, So we agree, But election laws were systemically ignored or misused in this election. Massively. There is no question of that.

It cannot happen again.

Maybe...I dont think it is that clear cut or grievious. Either way, it is up to individual states to determine how to procede right?

 

[Pogo]

Should election laws be faithfully implemented and enforced? Are voters rights to equal protection under the law comprised if election laws are ignored or changed illegally?

That is the question before the Court. Hopefully they will have the balls to do their job. However, I am not confident that will happen. If so, we are all fucked.

IF they were changed "illegally" why did you wait until AFTER this election to protest? Why only in states you lost?

Good point, and I agree. But you gals are still completely obsessed with Trump. I moved on two weeks ago. This is about any State abusing election law. If you can put your Trump obsession aside for a moment you would see what happened is a very bad thing. Individual cities or Counties do not get to decide election law. Only the State Legislature can do that. Many States ignored their own laws regarding elections. That is bad for all of us.

I know you are having fun spiking the football. That's cool. I understand. But try for a second to see the bigger picture. I know you are a decent person. I also know you can clearly understand exactly my point.

AGAIN --- Texas is NOT the arbiter of whether state X abused ITS OWN election law. The state X supreme court does that.

The case was about equal protection under the Law. That is a Federal not State issue. Personally, I am not fixated on Texas. Were State election Laws upheld? In many instances no according to the the State Courts. But they did not want to throw out thousands of legit votes. It was a catch 22.

Texas keeps getting mentioned because that's who brought the suit. Or more correctly the AG of that state, it would be unfair to saddle all Texans with the shenanigans of their AG.

Conservatives/Republicans know as well as anybody that we do not run a national POTUS election; we run fifty state elections. And each of those states sets their own election laws, NOT subject to the whims of Texas or Wyoming or any other state.

COTUS Article II was already addressed when each of the 57 states set into their own laws that the way they would choose their Electors would be via a popular vote. They did that a long time ago. As far as any "equal protection" malarkey, if there was a question within a particular state, the proper appellant would have been some disenfranchised voter, or group thereof, WITHIN that state, not a whole different state a thousand miles away.

Coyote is correct here, this is nothing more than a circus designed to placate and enable a horridly sick psychopath who simply cannot handle the fact that he lost. And the lengths to which he and his cult sycophants have lunged to try to overturn the Constitution itself, have long since passed the point of absurd.

 

[Pogo]

False. Read the actual rulings.

You mean the one that just deep-sixed Texas's retarded lawsuit?

Did you read it? The ruling did not say a thing about the merits of the case. Nothing. The Court ducked on making a decision by claiming Texas did not have standing. That is all. No need for you to continuing going full retard.

The SCOTUS --- or any court --- doesn't need to comment on the merits or lack thereof of a case in that position. If the claimant doesn't have standing --- IT ISN'T A CASE. There's no point in commenting on a case which by definition does not exist. A claimant that does not have standing, cannot bring a case. If there is no case, then there is no "decision" to be made.

They ducked. Period. I don't blame them. Just keep pushing the ball down the road.

You seem utterly unfamiliar with how courts work.

There's no "duck" swimming here. Standing is test number one. If there's no standing, there's no case. PERIOD. Ergo there is no "ball" to push down the road.

Sooner or later the Hallucination Squad is going to have to come to terms with the fact that NO, the emperor is not wearing clothes.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Should election laws be faithfully implemented and enforced? Are voters rights to equal protection under the law comprised if election laws are ignored or changed illegally?

That is the question before the Court. Hopefully they will have the balls to do their job. However, I am not confident that will happen. If so, we are all fucked.

IF they were changed "illegally" why did you wait until AFTER this election to protest? Why only in states you lost?

Good point, and I agree. But you gals are still completely obsessed with Trump. I moved on two weeks ago. This is about any State abusing election law. If you can put your Trump obsession aside for a moment you would see what happened is a very bad thing. Individual cities or Counties do not get to decide election law. Only the State Legislature can do that. Many States ignored their own laws regarding elections. That is bad for all of us.

I know you are having fun spiking the football. That's cool. I understand. But try for a second to see the bigger picture. I know you are a decent person. I also know you can clearly understand exactly my point.

WQ...you are a poster I am fond of...so try to understand. This isnt about how I feel about Trump...in fact it is a bit disengenius to counteract every criticism of Trump with "orange man bad" type of stuff.

The bigger picture, for me, is a group of people literally trying to disenfranchise millions of voters because they did not like the results. IF the case had merit...it should have come up during the primaries... before tbe general election...but it did not. If there was merit...all those down ticket Republicans who WON their races under those rules would step down and refuse to accept victory...but they havent.

That pretty much says, along with the court decisions this this is BS...or worse. An attempt to utterly destroy the democratic process and instead install a president the people did not vote for.

I do not know what was done during the primaries. I known in Pennsylvania the State Attorney General tried to say votes received three days after the election would count in violation of Pennsylvania law. She got slapped down by the courts. In Wayne County Michigan (Detroit) local election officials said they ignored Michigan Law to not count ballots without signatures as required by law. They counted them anyway.

There are other examples. This is not about Biden or Trump anymore. We have to run fair elections based on the Law. If we do not we're fucked. The reason Trump lost the lawsuits was not based on the merits of the cases (usually) it was based on exactly what you are saying. Judges did not want to to throw out thousands of legit votes when it could not be determined what was real or valid and what was not.

Right now elections are open season. I expect the next election cycle both sides will ignore the law and cheat like mofo's as there is clearly no consequence for ignoring the law. That is very bad for all of us. And if you don't think the GOP will cheat like crazy the next election cycle you're dreaming.

But like someone said. The Astro's cheated to win the World Series. New England cheated to win a Super Bowl, Both teams still have the Trophies. There is rarely a consequence after the fact. Enjoy your victory.

I trust our electoral integrity, just as I also have a lot of trust in our institutions, including police. Maybe I am somewhat conservative. If laws were broken...two things occur to me. One...the courts did not agree, and two...this was all done long before the general election, in response to Covid concerns (which is why primaries ran under it). That means that people voted in good faith, according to the rules they were given. To suddenly decide, after the general election, that this was wrong...is to knowingly willfully disenfranchise millions of legal voters.
election
Why was it only BAD aftwr the election....but not before?

I think this is far far worse.

Okay. No sane person wants legit votes thrown out, That is a fucked up remedy, So we agree, But election laws were systemically ignored or misused in this election. Massively. There is no question of that.

It cannot happen again.

Maybe...I dont think it is that clear cut or grievious. Either way, it is up to individual states to determine how to procede right?

Of course. It is real simple based on the Constitution. Only the State Legislature can create, amend, or nullify election Law. Local election officials cannot by Law. Governors cannot by Law. State Attorney Generals cannot by Law.

As long as the election law is exactly implemented in every jurisdiction of the State precisely the same can elections be fair. If I live in a GOP controlled County and my local election officials choose to ignore the Law to favor their team, and you live in the same State and your County election officials play it straight, then your vote gets screwed. Understand? Everybody has to play by the same rules or somebody gets screwed.

This election cycle election law was routinely ignored depending on the location to favor one side. That is a fact. It cannot happen and have free and fair elections.

 

[candycorn]

Should election laws be faithfully implemented and enforced? Are voters rights to equal protection under the law comprised if election laws are ignored or changed illegally?

That is the question before the Court. Hopefully they will have the balls to do their job. However, I am not confident that will happen. If so, we are all fucked.

IF they were changed "illegally" why did you wait until AFTER this election to protest? Why only in states you lost?

Good point, and I agree. But you gals are still completely obsessed with Trump. I moved on two weeks ago. This is about any State abusing election law. If you can put your Trump obsession aside for a moment you would see what happened is a very bad thing. Individual cities or Counties do not get to decide election law. Only the State Legislature can do that. Many States ignored their own laws regarding elections. That is bad for all of us.

I know you are having fun spiking the football. That's cool. I understand. But try for a second to see the bigger picture. I know you are a decent person. I also know you can clearly understand exactly my point.

WQ...you are a poster I am fond of...so try to understand. This isnt about how I feel about Trump...in fact it is a bit disengenius to counteract every criticism of Trump with "orange man bad" type of stuff.

The bigger picture, for me, is a group of people literally trying to disenfranchise millions of voters because they did not like the results. IF the case had merit...it should have come up during the primaries... before tbe general election...but it did not. If there was merit...all those down ticket Republicans who WON their races under those rules would step down and refuse to accept victory...but they havent.

That pretty much says, along with the court decisions this this is BS...or worse. An attempt to utterly destroy the democratic process and instead install a president the people did not vote for.

I do not know what was done during the primaries. I known in Pennsylvania the State Attorney General tried to say votes received three days after the election would count in violation of Pennsylvania law. She got slapped down by the courts. In Wayne County Michigan (Detroit) local election officials said they ignored Michigan Law to not count ballots without signatures as required by law. They counted them anyway.

There are other examples. This is not about Biden or Trump anymore. We have to run fair elections based on the Law. If we do not we're fucked. The reason Trump lost the lawsuits was not based on the merits of the cases (usually) it was based on exactly what you are saying. Judges did not want to to throw out thousands of legit votes when it could not be determined what was real or valid and what was not.

Right now elections are open season. I expect the next election cycle both sides will ignore the law and cheat like mofo's as there is clearly no consequence for ignoring the law. That is very bad for all of us. And if you don't think the GOP will cheat like crazy the next election cycle you're dreaming.

But like someone said. The Astro's cheated to win the World Series. New England cheated to win a Super Bowl, Both teams still have the Trophies. There is rarely a consequence after the fact. Enjoy your victory.

I trust our electoral integrity, just as I also have a lot of trust in our institutions, including police. Maybe I am somewhat conservative. If laws were broken...two things occur to me. One...the courts did not agree, and two...this was all done long before the general election, in response to Covid concerns (which is why primaries ran under it). That means that people voted in good faith, according to the rules they were given. To suddenly decide, after the general election, that this was wrong...is to knowingly willfully disenfranchise millions of legal voters.
election
Why was it only BAD aftwr the election....but not before?

I think this is far far worse.

Okay. No sane person wants legit votes thrown out, That is a fucked up remedy, So we agree, But election laws were systemically ignored or misused in this election. Massively. There is no question of that.

It cannot happen again.

Maybe...I dont think it is that clear cut or grievious. Either way, it is up to individual states to determine how to procede right?

Of course. It is real simple based on the Constitution. Only the State Legislature can create, amend, or nullify election Law. Local election officials cannot by Law. Governors cannot by Law. State Attorney Generals cannot by Law.

As long as the election law is exactly implemented in every jurisdiction of the State precisely the same can elections be fair. If I live in a GOP controlled County and my local election officials choose to ignore the Law to favor their team, and you live in the same State and your County election officials play it straight, then your vote gets screwed. Understand? Everybody has to play by the same rules or somebody gets screwed.

This election cycle election law was routinely ignored depending on the location to favor one side. That is a fact. It cannot happen and have free and fair elections.

The governor of Texas made his own rules for the election. It’s hilarious Texas was bringing this suit to start with

 

[WelfareQueen]

Should election laws be faithfully implemented and enforced? Are voters rights to equal protection under the law comprised if election laws are ignored or changed illegally?

That is the question before the Court. Hopefully they will have the balls to do their job. However, I am not confident that will happen. If so, we are all fucked.

IF they were changed "illegally" why did you wait until AFTER this election to protest? Why only in states you lost?

Good point, and I agree. But you gals are still completely obsessed with Trump. I moved on two weeks ago. This is about any State abusing election law. If you can put your Trump obsession aside for a moment you would see what happened is a very bad thing. Individual cities or Counties do not get to decide election law. Only the State Legislature can do that. Many States ignored their own laws regarding elections. That is bad for all of us.

I know you are having fun spiking the football. That's cool. I understand. But try for a second to see the bigger picture. I know you are a decent person. I also know you can clearly understand exactly my point.

WQ...you are a poster I am fond of...so try to understand. This isnt about how I feel about Trump...in fact it is a bit disengenius to counteract every criticism of Trump with "orange man bad" type of stuff.

The bigger picture, for me, is a group of people literally trying to disenfranchise millions of voters because they did not like the results. IF the case had merit...it should have come up during the primaries... before tbe general election...but it did not. If there was merit...all those down ticket Republicans who WON their races under those rules would step down and refuse to accept victory...but they havent.

That pretty much says, along with the court decisions this this is BS...or worse. An attempt to utterly destroy the democratic process and instead install a president the people did not vote for.

I do not know what was done during the primaries. I known in Pennsylvania the State Attorney General tried to say votes received three days after the election would count in violation of Pennsylvania law. She got slapped down by the courts. In Wayne County Michigan (Detroit) local election officials said they ignored Michigan Law to not count ballots without signatures as required by law. They counted them anyway.

There are other examples. This is not about Biden or Trump anymore. We have to run fair elections based on the Law. If we do not we're fucked. The reason Trump lost the lawsuits was not based on the merits of the cases (usually) it was based on exactly what you are saying. Judges did not want to to throw out thousands of legit votes when it could not be determined what was real or valid and what was not.

Right now elections are open season. I expect the next election cycle both sides will ignore the law and cheat like mofo's as there is clearly no consequence for ignoring the law. That is very bad for all of us. And if you don't think the GOP will cheat like crazy the next election cycle you're dreaming.

But like someone said. The Astro's cheated to win the World Series. New England cheated to win a Super Bowl, Both teams still have the Trophies. There is rarely a consequence after the fact. Enjoy your victory.

I trust our electoral integrity, just as I also have a lot of trust in our institutions, including police. Maybe I am somewhat conservative. If laws were broken...two things occur to me. One...the courts did not agree, and two...this was all done long before the general election, in response to Covid concerns (which is why primaries ran under it). That means that people voted in good faith, according to the rules they were given. To suddenly decide, after the general election, that this was wrong...is to knowingly willfully disenfranchise millions of legal voters.
election
Why was it only BAD aftwr the election....but not before?

I think this is far far worse.

Okay. No sane person wants legit votes thrown out, That is a fucked up remedy, So we agree, But election laws were systemically ignored or misused in this election. Massively. There is no question of that.

It cannot happen again.

Maybe...I dont think it is that clear cut or grievious. Either way, it is up to individual states to determine how to procede right?

Of course. It is real simple based on the Constitution. Only the State Legislature can create, amend, or nullify election Law. Local election officials cannot by Law. Governors cannot by Law. State Attorney Generals cannot by Law.

As long as the election law is exactly implemented in every jurisdiction of the State precisely the same can elections be fair. If I live in a GOP controlled County and my local election officials choose to ignore the Law to favor their team, and you live in the same State and your County election officials play it straight, then your vote gets screwed. Understand? Everybody has to play by the same rules or somebody gets screwed.

This election cycle election law was routinely ignored depending on the location to favor one side. That is a fact. It cannot happen and have free and fair elections.

The governor of Texas made his own rules for the election. It’s hilarious Texas was bringing this suit to start with

That's the problem. Everyone gets screwed. And it's no damn way to run elections.

 

[candycorn]

That's the problem. Everyone gets screwed. And it's no damn way to run elections.

Nobody got screwed. There were 8,000 losers on election day. Only one saw this "massive fraud" you guys have dreamed up.

 

[Mac1958]

100 House Republicans disgraced themselves and signed up to the ridiculous Texas Lawsuit against swing states who voted for Biden
Thankfully, Senate Republicans wanted no part of it

Senate Republicans shun House GOP bid to overturn the election

Not a single GOP senator has signed a “friend of the court” brief for the long-shot Texas lawsuit to throw out the results in other states in a bid to keep President Donald Trump in power. And there’s been no coordinated effort to get Republicans on board, according to interviews with more than a half-dozen Republican senators on Friday.

Well, that's a good sign.

I guess it's tempting to congratulate them, but they have all let this farce get this far. So I'm not inclined to thank people for doing what is obviously the right thing.

Good to see there is still some sanity in the Republican Party

Don't get ahead of yourself. Just because they did one sane thing doesn't mean they are sane.

I have rarely defended Senate Republicans
But in this case, I commend them for doing the right thing

With the exception of one Ted Cruz

Well, let's add McConnell to that. He runs that psycho circus.

 

[rightwinger]

Texas keeps getting mentioned because that's who brought the suit. Or more correctly the AG of that state, it would be unfair to saddle all Texans with the shenanigans of their AG.

Not true
Texas elected him and his actions represent the state

I don’t see any effort to impeach the AG

 

[rightwinger]

100 House Republicans disgraced themselves and signed up to the ridiculous Texas Lawsuit against swing states who voted for Biden
Thankfully, Senate Republicans wanted no part of it

Senate Republicans shun House GOP bid to overturn the election

Not a single GOP senator has signed a “friend of the court” brief for the long-shot Texas lawsuit to throw out the results in other states in a bid to keep President Donald Trump in power. And there’s been no coordinated effort to get Republicans on board, according to interviews with more than a half-dozen Republican senators on Friday.

Well, that's a good sign.

I guess it's tempting to congratulate them, but they have all let this farce get this far. So I'm not inclined to thank people for doing what is obviously the right thing.

Good to see there is still some sanity in the Republican Party

Don't get ahead of yourself. Just because they did one sane thing doesn't mean they are sane.

I have rarely defended Senate Republicans
But in this case, I commend them for doing the right thing

With the exception of one Ted Cruz

Well, let's add McConnell to that. He runs that psycho circus.

Mitch has been holding his nose through this nonsense. But he has refused to acknowledge Biden as the President Elect

Coward

 

[rightwinger]

Should election laws be faithfully implemented and enforced? Are voters rights to equal protection under the law comprised if election laws are ignored or changed illegally?

That is the question before the Court. Hopefully they will have the balls to do their job. However, I am not confident that will happen. If so, we are all fucked.

IF they were changed "illegally" why did you wait until AFTER this election to protest? Why only in states you lost?

Good point, and I agree. But you gals are still completely obsessed with Trump. I moved on two weeks ago. This is about any State abusing election law. If you can put your Trump obsession aside for a moment you would see what happened is a very bad thing. Individual cities or Counties do not get to decide election law. Only the State Legislature can do that. Many States ignored their own laws regarding elections. That is bad for all of us.

I know you are having fun spiking the football. That's cool. I understand. But try for a second to see the bigger picture. I know you are a decent person. I also know you can clearly understand exactly my point.

WQ...you are a poster I am fond of...so try to understand. This isnt about how I feel about Trump...in fact it is a bit disengenius to counteract every criticism of Trump with "orange man bad" type of stuff.

The bigger picture, for me, is a group of people literally trying to disenfranchise millions of voters because they did not like the results. IF the case had merit...it should have come up during the primaries... before tbe general election...but it did not. If there was merit...all those down ticket Republicans who WON their races under those rules would step down and refuse to accept victory...but they havent.

That pretty much says, along with the court decisions this this is BS...or worse. An attempt to utterly destroy the democratic process and instead install a president the people did not vote for.

I do not know what was done during the primaries. I known in Pennsylvania the State Attorney General tried to say votes received three days after the election would count in violation of Pennsylvania law. She got slapped down by the courts. In Wayne County Michigan (Detroit) local election officials said they ignored Michigan Law to not count ballots without signatures as required by law. They counted them anyway.

There are other examples. This is not about Biden or Trump anymore. We have to run fair elections based on the Law. If we do not we're fucked. The reason Trump lost the lawsuits was not based on the merits of the cases (usually) it was based on exactly what you are saying. Judges did not want to to throw out thousands of legit votes when it could not be determined what was real or valid and what was not.

Right now elections are open season. I expect the next election cycle both sides will ignore the law and cheat like mofo's as there is clearly no consequence for ignoring the law. That is very bad for all of us. And if you don't think the GOP will cheat like crazy the next election cycle you're dreaming.

But like someone said. The Astro's cheated to win the World Series. New England cheated to win a Super Bowl, Both teams still have the Trophies. There is rarely a consequence after the fact. Enjoy your victory.

I trust our electoral integrity, just as I also have a lot of trust in our institutions, including police. Maybe I am somewhat conservative. If laws were broken...two things occur to me. One...the courts did not agree, and two...this was all done long before the general election, in response to Covid concerns (which is why primaries ran under it). That means that people voted in good faith, according to the rules they were given. To suddenly decide, after the general election, that this was wrong...is to knowingly willfully disenfranchise millions of legal voters.
election
Why was it only BAD aftwr the election....but not before?

I think this is far far worse.

Okay. No sane person wants legit votes thrown out, That is a fucked up remedy, So we agree, But election laws were systemically ignored or misused in this election. Massively. There is no question of that.

It cannot happen again.

Maybe...I dont think it is that clear cut or grievious. Either way, it is up to individual states to determine how to procede right?

Of course. It is real simple based on the Constitution. Only the State Legislature can create, amend, or nullify election Law. Local election officials cannot by Law. Governors cannot by Law. State Attorney Generals cannot by Law.

As long as the election law is exactly implemented in every jurisdiction of the State precisely the same can elections be fair. If I live in a GOP controlled County and my local election officials choose to ignore the Law to favor their team, and you live in the same State and your County election officials play it straight, then your vote gets screwed. Understand? Everybody has to play by the same rules or somebody gets screwed.

This election cycle election law was routinely ignored depending on the location to favor one side. That is a fact. It cannot happen and have free and fair elections.

The governor of Texas made his own rules for the election. It’s hilarious Texas was bringing this suit to start with

Loved how he limited ballot drop boxes to one per county. Make people drive an hour to drop off their ballot.