Senate Republicans Are Helping Congress Lose Its Power of Checks and Balances Over the Executive Branch

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Senate Republicans Are Helping Congress Lose Its Power of Checks and Balances Over the Executive Branch

The ideals of Founding Fathers, which conservatives consistently claim to defend (but don’t), included provisions in the Constitution that provide “checks and balances” between the three branches of government.

Over the past five or six decades the super-rich and Big Business spent many millions of dollars buying more and more influence in the federal, state, and local governments. But there has never been more danger to the rule of law and the system of checks and balances at the federal level than that being created by the current administration, with plenty of help from Senate Republicans.

Recently, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit heard arguments in a case exposing the efforts by the executive branch to curtail congressional oversight.

Also at issue is whether Congress can use the courts to enforce its subpoenas at all.

The Committee on the Judiciary v. McGahn, involves the ability of Congress to oversee actions taken by the executive branch. In particular the case deals with the House Judiciary Committee’s failure to bring former White House Counsel Don McGahn before its members to testify. The Justice Department stepped in and simply excused McGahn.

McGahn refused to appear before the Judiciary Committee after receiving a congressional subpoena that ordered him to testify. He asserted a lifetime immunity from testifying before Congress claim due to his status as a former presidential adviser. The committee then sued to force McGahn to obey the subpoena, and the district court rightly ordered him to appear, rejecting the notion of McGahn’s claim of immunity. However, on appeal, a three-judge panel of the DC Circuit unexpectedly threw out the case, arguing that the federal judiciary doesn’t have the power to weigh in on disputes between Congress and the executive branch.

But the specific claim in this case, whether presidential advisers are immune from congressional subpoenas, dates back to 1971.

Sadly, the Founders did not foresee the evolution and complexity that would exist in the executive branch as the centuries wore on, so failed to address testimonial immunity for presidential advisers when the Constitution was written. Adding to the vacuum in the law, there is no Supreme Court precedent.

So, to decide this issue, courts have relied on the information contained in a memo regarding presidential advisers’ immunity from congressional subpoenas, written in 1971 by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel. This organization is a small team of lawyers that interprets legal issues for the executive branch.

When the office first came up with its notion that presidential advisers are immune from congressional subpoenas, it described its conclusions as “necessarily tentative and sketchy”.

Over the decades, that team of lawyers based every updated opinion they issued on the subject on that original memo, the members’ confidence in the totality of immunity for presidential advisers grew, while the “necessarily tentative and sketchy” part of the original memo conveniently disappeared.

Unfortunately, for congress and the American people, the three-judge panel of the DC Circuit that threw out the Committee on the Judiciary v. McGahn case, also helps further entrench a decades-long campaign by the executive branch to cut off congressional oversight and make it harder, and in some cases essentially impossible, for Congress to get the information it needs to fulfill its constitutional duties.

The Committee on the Judiciary v. McGahn case could very well be the last chance in the decades-long battled to maintain congressional oversight of the executive branch. The DC Circuit must reaffirm the role of the judiciary in defining the separation of powers and prevent future instances of the executive branch keeping vital information from Congress and the public.

Congress’s power to investigate comes from the Constitution itself, something the Supreme Court has recognized for over a century. Courts must not be permitted to base any decision to defeat checks and balances on a brief memo concocted by a handful of federally employed lawyers. Congress must retain power to enforce a congressional subpoena, even against an executive branch official, Republican or Democrat.

Since the impeached president trump and his lies became the beacon that guides the thoughts of conservatives, it is a complete waste of time to return to one’s thread only to read the mindless prattle the conservatives spew when responding. Now, it’s post the OP, then move on and never look back.

Judiciary Committee says McGahn ruling leaves only extreme options — such as arrests — to get White House info




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Be interesting to see what Republicans think of those Checks and Balances once they are no longer in power?

How will they respond when a Democratic President says “Fuk You” to every request from Congress?
 
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Over the past five or six decades the super-rich and Big Business spent many millions of dollars buying more and more influence in the federal, state, and local governments.

A: has nothing to do with check and balances.
B: state and local governments, are the responsibility of those state and local citizens. It's not up to Republicans in congress, to over turn the vote of the people in state and local governments. If you have a problem with how your state and local representatives are acting, it's up to you to vote them out.
C: If you have a problem with something at the Federal level, name it, lets investigate it, and if there is corrupt, bring up charges.

But there has never been more danger to the rule of law and the system of checks and balances at the federal level than that being created by the current administration


Many accusations, zero evidence of actual problems. Trump hasn't done anything differently than Obama, and I didn't hear this 'chicken little sky is falling' claim then.

When the office first came up with its notion that presidential advisers are immune from congressional subpoenas

I somewhat agree with this, that there is a very real risk of abuse now. Maybe if the left-wing had not blown their credibility with non-stop false charges, the administration wouldn't be immune to scrutiny now.

That's the left-wings fault. They lied, and were utterly corrupt for years and years and now no one believes them.

Congress’s power to investigate comes from the Constitution itself

Right, but any power you abuse, you eventually lose.
This is why the left-wing and AOC types, should have know better than to abuse their power. Now no one cares, and they are losing their powers.

Well tough. Should have thought about that, before engaging in fake investigations on fabricated grounds, for political purposes.

You acted stupid, and now are complaining about stupid results. Learn to do better.
 
You post complaining about mindless prattle while putting up a Politico article. Fuck

This war between the branches of government have been going on since 1774. The Circuit court is the gatekeeper. If shit has any merit it goes to the Supreme Court. The President has power to veto, Congress can override the veto if it has the votes.

Sounds like a lot panties in a wad. In other words it's crap.

Then we have Congress pass a law allowing for search of browser history with both sides supporting it. Pull pin, throw as far as you can.
 
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Senate Republicans Are Helping Congress Lose Its Power of Checks and Balances Over the Executive Branch

The ideals of Founding Fathers, which conservatives consistently claim to defend (but don’t), included provisions in the Constitution that provide “checks and balances” between the three branches of government.

Over the past five or six decades the super-rich and Big Business spent many millions of dollars buying more and more influence in the federal, state, and local governments. But there has never been more danger to the rule of law and the system of checks and balances at the federal level than that being created by the current administration, with plenty of help from Senate Republicans.

Recently, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit heard arguments in a case exposing the efforts by the executive branch to curtail congressional oversight.

Also at issue is whether Congress can use the courts to enforce its subpoenas at all.

The Committee on the Judiciary v. McGahn, involves the ability of Congress to oversee actions taken by the executive branch. In particular the case deals with the House Judiciary Committee’s failure to bring former White House Counsel Don McGahn before its members to testify. The Justice Department stepped in and simply excused McGahn.

McGahn refused to appear before the Judiciary Committee after receiving a congressional subpoena that ordered him to testify. He asserted a lifetime immunity from testifying before Congress claim due to his status as a former presidential adviser. The committee then sued to force McGahn to obey the subpoena, and the district court rightly ordered him to appear, rejecting the notion of McGahn’s claim of immunity. However, on appeal, a three-judge panel of the DC Circuit unexpectedly threw out the case, arguing that the federal judiciary doesn’t have the power to weigh in on disputes between Congress and the executive branch.

But the specific claim in this case, whether presidential advisers are immune from congressional subpoenas, dates back to 1971.

Sadly, the Founders did not foresee the evolution and complexity that would exist in the executive branch as the centuries wore on, so failed to address testimonial immunity for presidential advisers when the Constitution was written. Adding to the vacuum in the law, there is no Supreme Court precedent.

So, to decide this issue, courts have relied on the information contained in a memo regarding presidential advisers’ immunity from congressional subpoenas, written in 1971 by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel. This organization is a small team of lawyers that interprets legal issues for the executive branch.

When the office first came up with its notion that presidential advisers are immune from congressional subpoenas, it described its conclusions as “necessarily tentative and sketchy”.

Over the decades, that team of lawyers based every updated opinion they issued on the subject on that original memo, the members’ confidence in the totality of immunity for presidential advisers grew, while the “necessarily tentative and sketchy” part of the original memo conveniently disappeared.

Unfortunately, for congress and the American people, the three-judge panel of the DC Circuit that threw out the Committee on the Judiciary v. McGahn case, also helps further entrench a decades-long campaign by the executive branch to cut off congressional oversight and make it harder, and in some cases essentially impossible, for Congress to get the information it needs to fulfill its constitutional duties.

The Committee on the Judiciary v. McGahn case could very well be the last chance in the decades-long battled to maintain congressional oversight of the executive branch. The DC Circuit must reaffirm the role of the judiciary in defining the separation of powers and prevent future instances of the executive branch keeping vital information from Congress and the public.

Congress’s power to investigate comes from the Constitution itself, something the Supreme Court has recognized for over a century. Courts must not be permitted to base any decision to defeat checks and balances on a brief memo concocted by a handful of federally employed lawyers. Congress must retain power to enforce a congressional subpoena, even against an executive branch official, Republican or Democrat.

Since the impeached president trump and his lies became the beacon that guides the thoughts of conservatives, it is a complete waste of time to return to one’s thread only to read the mindless prattle the conservatives spew when responding. Now, it’s post the OP, then move on and never look back.

Judiciary Committee says McGahn ruling leaves only extreme options — such as arrests — to get White House info




.
180 wrong
The Dems are overreaching with their use of gogus subpoenas
 
Republicans are Demanding the Supreme Court define the powers and immunities of the President.

They may not be happy with the result
 
Be interesting to see what Republicans think of those Checks and Balances once they are no longer in power?

How will they respond when a Democratic President says “Fuk You” to every request from Congress?
Like Barry Hussein did?

If I agreed with you, we would both be wrong
That’s why you never agree with me, cuz I’m always right.
 
Be interesting to see what Republicans think of those Checks and Balances once they are no longer in power?

How will they respond when a Democratic President says “Fuk You” to every request from Congress?
Easy to see since that is exactly what happened in the last adminstration.
 
Be interesting to see what Republicans think of those Checks and Balances once they are no longer in power?

How will they respond when a Democratic President says “Fuk You” to every request from Congress?
Easy to see since that is exactly what happened in the last adminstration.


<sob> But...But......what about Owebama?

Obama released documents and allowed his people to testify.
He even released his taxes
 
Be interesting to see what Republicans think of those Checks and Balances once they are no longer in power?

How will they respond when a Democratic President says “Fuk You” to every request from Congress?
Joe Biden thanks them for his shiny new precedents!
 
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Senate Republicans Are Helping Congress Lose Its Power of Checks and Balances Over the Executive Branch

The ideals of Founding Fathers, which conservatives consistently claim to defend (but don’t), included provisions in the Constitution that provide “checks and balances” between the three branches of government.

Over the past five or six decades the super-rich and Big Business spent many millions of dollars buying more and more influence in the federal, state, and local governments. But there has never been more danger to the rule of law and the system of checks and balances at the federal level than that being created by the current administration, with plenty of help from Senate Republicans.

Recently, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit heard arguments in a case exposing the efforts by the executive branch to curtail congressional oversight.

Also at issue is whether Congress can use the courts to enforce its subpoenas at all.

The Committee on the Judiciary v. McGahn, involves the ability of Congress to oversee actions taken by the executive branch. In particular the case deals with the House Judiciary Committee’s failure to bring former White House Counsel Don McGahn before its members to testify. The Justice Department stepped in and simply excused McGahn.

McGahn refused to appear before the Judiciary Committee after receiving a congressional subpoena that ordered him to testify. He asserted a lifetime immunity from testifying before Congress claim due to his status as a former presidential adviser. The committee then sued to force McGahn to obey the subpoena, and the district court rightly ordered him to appear, rejecting the notion of McGahn’s claim of immunity. However, on appeal, a three-judge panel of the DC Circuit unexpectedly threw out the case, arguing that the federal judiciary doesn’t have the power to weigh in on disputes between Congress and the executive branch.

But the specific claim in this case, whether presidential advisers are immune from congressional subpoenas, dates back to 1971.

Sadly, the Founders did not foresee the evolution and complexity that would exist in the executive branch as the centuries wore on, so failed to address testimonial immunity for presidential advisers when the Constitution was written. Adding to the vacuum in the law, there is no Supreme Court precedent.

So, to decide this issue, courts have relied on the information contained in a memo regarding presidential advisers’ immunity from congressional subpoenas, written in 1971 by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel. This organization is a small team of lawyers that interprets legal issues for the executive branch.

When the office first came up with its notion that presidential advisers are immune from congressional subpoenas, it described its conclusions as “necessarily tentative and sketchy”.

Over the decades, that team of lawyers based every updated opinion they issued on the subject on that original memo, the members’ confidence in the totality of immunity for presidential advisers grew, while the “necessarily tentative and sketchy” part of the original memo conveniently disappeared.

Unfortunately, for congress and the American people, the three-judge panel of the DC Circuit that threw out the Committee on the Judiciary v. McGahn case, also helps further entrench a decades-long campaign by the executive branch to cut off congressional oversight and make it harder, and in some cases essentially impossible, for Congress to get the information it needs to fulfill its constitutional duties.

The Committee on the Judiciary v. McGahn case could very well be the last chance in the decades-long battled to maintain congressional oversight of the executive branch. The DC Circuit must reaffirm the role of the judiciary in defining the separation of powers and prevent future instances of the executive branch keeping vital information from Congress and the public.

Congress’s power to investigate comes from the Constitution itself, something the Supreme Court has recognized for over a century. Courts must not be permitted to base any decision to defeat checks and balances on a brief memo concocted by a handful of federally employed lawyers. Congress must retain power to enforce a congressional subpoena, even against an executive branch official, Republican or Democrat.

Since the impeached president trump and his lies became the beacon that guides the thoughts of conservatives, it is a complete waste of time to return to one’s thread only to read the mindless prattle the conservatives spew when responding. Now, it’s post the OP, then move on and never look back.

Judiciary Committee says McGahn ruling leaves only extreme options — such as arrests — to get White House info




.

A member of the Executive Branch tasked with advising the President should never be subject to subpoena by Congress as it would render any such advice useless if they were subject to testifying before Congress about any and all subjects discussed in confidence.
 
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Senate Republicans Are Helping Congress Lose Its Power of Checks and Balances Over the Executive Branch

The ideals of Founding Fathers, which conservatives consistently claim to defend (but don’t), included provisions in the Constitution that provide “checks and balances” between the three branches of government.

Over the past five or six decades the super-rich and Big Business spent many millions of dollars buying more and more influence in the federal, state, and local governments. But there has never been more danger to the rule of law and the system of checks and balances at the federal level than that being created by the current administration, with plenty of help from Senate Republicans.

Recently, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit heard arguments in a case exposing the efforts by the executive branch to curtail congressional oversight.

Also at issue is whether Congress can use the courts to enforce its subpoenas at all.

The Committee on the Judiciary v. McGahn, involves the ability of Congress to oversee actions taken by the executive branch. In particular the case deals with the House Judiciary Committee’s failure to bring former White House Counsel Don McGahn before its members to testify. The Justice Department stepped in and simply excused McGahn.

McGahn refused to appear before the Judiciary Committee after receiving a congressional subpoena that ordered him to testify. He asserted a lifetime immunity from testifying before Congress claim due to his status as a former presidential adviser. The committee then sued to force McGahn to obey the subpoena, and the district court rightly ordered him to appear, rejecting the notion of McGahn’s claim of immunity. However, on appeal, a three-judge panel of the DC Circuit unexpectedly threw out the case, arguing that the federal judiciary doesn’t have the power to weigh in on disputes between Congress and the executive branch.

But the specific claim in this case, whether presidential advisers are immune from congressional subpoenas, dates back to 1971.

Sadly, the Founders did not foresee the evolution and complexity that would exist in the executive branch as the centuries wore on, so failed to address testimonial immunity for presidential advisers when the Constitution was written. Adding to the vacuum in the law, there is no Supreme Court precedent.

So, to decide this issue, courts have relied on the information contained in a memo regarding presidential advisers’ immunity from congressional subpoenas, written in 1971 by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel. This organization is a small team of lawyers that interprets legal issues for the executive branch.

When the office first came up with its notion that presidential advisers are immune from congressional subpoenas, it described its conclusions as “necessarily tentative and sketchy”.

Over the decades, that team of lawyers based every updated opinion they issued on the subject on that original memo, the members’ confidence in the totality of immunity for presidential advisers grew, while the “necessarily tentative and sketchy” part of the original memo conveniently disappeared.

Unfortunately, for congress and the American people, the three-judge panel of the DC Circuit that threw out the Committee on the Judiciary v. McGahn case, also helps further entrench a decades-long campaign by the executive branch to cut off congressional oversight and make it harder, and in some cases essentially impossible, for Congress to get the information it needs to fulfill its constitutional duties.

The Committee on the Judiciary v. McGahn case could very well be the last chance in the decades-long battled to maintain congressional oversight of the executive branch. The DC Circuit must reaffirm the role of the judiciary in defining the separation of powers and prevent future instances of the executive branch keeping vital information from Congress and the public.

Congress’s power to investigate comes from the Constitution itself, something the Supreme Court has recognized for over a century. Courts must not be permitted to base any decision to defeat checks and balances on a brief memo concocted by a handful of federally employed lawyers. Congress must retain power to enforce a congressional subpoena, even against an executive branch official, Republican or Democrat.

Since the impeached president trump and his lies became the beacon that guides the thoughts of conservatives, it is a complete waste of time to return to one’s thread only to read the mindless prattle the conservatives spew when responding. Now, it’s post the OP, then move on and never look back.

Judiciary Committee says McGahn ruling leaves only extreme options — such as arrests — to get White House info




.

A member of the Executive Branch tasked with advising the President should never be subject to subpoena by Congress as it would render any such advice useless if they were subject to testifying before Congress about any and all subjects discussed in confidence.
So in your view

Congress has no oversight of the Executive Branch
President as King
 
Be interesting to see what Republicans think of those Checks and Balances once they are no longer in power?

How will they respond when a Democratic President says “Fuk You” to every request from Congress?

That's what Obama said repeatedly.

So how did they respond.
Didn't Obama say, "I've got a pen and a phone and I'm not afraid to use them" and his "wingman" was in contempt of Congress. Those are kind of FU's.
 

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