Senate cannot try a private citizen !!!

[j-mac]

Postman, the two are tied together in the Constitution...

Article 2 section 4 states:

" The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. "

I don't see in there where the Impeachment in the house, is seperated in the Senate...In fact this remedy was constructed to remove a sitting President, VP, or civil officer...NOT to go after a political enemy AFTER they have left office...

In fact the two are totally separate acts. And the founding fathers knew this, as the house and senate can stand in recess at different times, so an impeachment may languish for days, weeks, or months before a trial commences. And with such long routine delays, they could easily see where such delays would bar continuing under a scenario where the person could run out the clock, or resign in order to escape judgment.

Where the hell did you get that from? Here is the rule straight from the Senate....

"III. Upon such articles being presented to the Senate, the Senate shall, at 1 o'clock afternoon of the day (Sunday excepted) following such presentation, or sooner if ordered by the Senate, proceed to the consideration of such articles and shall continue in session from day to day (Sundays excepted) after the trial shall commence (unless otherwise ordered by the Senate) until final judgment shall be rendered, and so much longer as may, in its judgment, be needful. Before proceeding to the consideration of the articles of impeachment, the Presiding Officer shall administer."

United States Senate Manual, 113th Congress-RULES OF PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE IN THE SENATE WHEN SITTING ON IMPEACHMENT TRIALS

So, Schumer isn't even following the Senate rules on this clown show....

 

[j-mac]

Can the Senate now, going forward, hold impeachment proceedings for any former official? Point that out please in the constitution

The house can only impeach officers of the US. So a former official would not be subject to impeachment.

But remember, that's a bar on impeachment, not a bar on the senate trying the impeachments presented to it.

Postman, the two are tied together in the Constitution...

Article 2 section 4 states:

" The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. "

I don't see in there where the Impeachment in the house, is seperated in the Senate...In fact this remedy was constructed to remove a sitting President, VP, or civil officer...NOT to go after a political enemy AFTER they have left office...

If the Democrats truly think that President Trump incited the violence on Jan 6, then at this point their remedy is to send a request to the DoJ for prosecution....What they are doing here is nothing but a clown show.

These idiots don’t care. They are Fascist who only want to go after someone who doesn’t agree with them politically.

Oh, and if they pull this off, it won't stop there, next will be other private citizens trust me....In fact, I can see them coming after regular citizens for the crime of not agreeing with them...But, we are supposedly the fascists....

 

[j-mac]

Well, I'm not in Trump's confidence ------- maybe he will! Somebody should, certainly, I agree. It's a wrongful trial, you can't really impeach someone who is no longer prez.

Check out the link in my signature. About 150 conservative and libertarian legal experts disagree with you.

BWHAAAA! What a crock....Something like this has never been done, so they are talking out of their pompus assholes...

 

[lantern2814]

Hey fuckwad, if you have no witnesses, you have no case. Those “witnesses” of your stupidity never testified doofus. Clinton was impeached for lying to Congress moron. How many times do you have to be told this? Lost jobs? That’s on blue state governors who refused to open their states. Riots? That’s on you and your side idiot. Do us a favor and leave our country since you hate it so much. Nobody will miss you.

Clinton wasn't impeached for lying to Congress, he was impeached for not admitting to getting a blow job in a civil case that was dismissed as having no merit.

If Trump escapes impeachment this time, it will only be because of the cowardice of the Republican Party.

Sadly, the cowardice of the GOP has been the story of the last four years.

You retard. Clinton’s was impeached for lying to Congress. Period. Fact. Cowardice? You know all about that don’t you?Sadly, the fact that your asshat pals violated the Constitution to do this escapes you. Your idiocy continues to be the story of your life.

 

[lantern2814]

Nope! They are under investigation for being TRUMP sympathizers...

Trump "sympathizers"? Nothing authoritarian or fascist about that....right?
When did we turn into the CCP? Or do you imagine it's some sort of crime to
politically support Trump?

The word sympathizer was me, being kind in describing the Capitol police that could have nefariously let the protesters in....

I could have said some of trump insurrectionists in the capitol police.... are being investigated.... but thought calling them insurrectionists was not fair, because the investigation in to them, is not complete.... thus trump sympathizers...not co conspirator insurrectionists....at least not yet.

200 people broke into the Capitol, incited and whipped into a mob by Antifa & BLM who were aided by Capitol Police - less than 200 were Trump supporters. It was a staged event, a 'trap', so Democrats could launch another bogus Impeachment Pelosi admitted herself is politically partisan and intended to eliminate Trump as a threat in 2024 and beyond.

It was also intended to justify calling ALL Conservatives and Trump Supporters 'terrorists' and call for them to be rounded up and reprogrammed / put in re-education camps.

And socialists ignore Antifa/BLM violence that has caused BILLIONS of dollars in damage & How the current VP incited this real insurrection she declared 'must continue'...which it has.

Antifa claims are Russian propaganda being pushed in right wing media, is what the administration's cyber security and fbi said on the news....

Except for the little fact that your Antifa pals are on video ADMITTING to their actions. Of course you ignore that like good little sheep.

Yep, so far just 1 guy named Sullivan was at the riot, inside the capitol, that has been arrested.... that claimed he was an activist.

The hundred others were Trumpists that were arrested.

Facts and evidence, matters....

Of which you have none. Hearsay isn’t admissible. Facts never matter to hacks like you.

Oh dear Lord Almighty!

You need to get out of your right wing media bubble! Every night on the news it's a few more Trumpsters being caught and charged!

Shut the fuck up. Until your pals also are jailed for the attempted murder of federal officers you can keep your trap shut. Keep ignoring the Antifa jerks admitting they started this. On video.

 

[lantern2814]

The Senate has already impeached and tried an office holder, the secretary of war, after he no longer held the seat.

He was not the president, the constitution specifically enumerates the president and assigns him special powers and privileges and this conviction will be fought fiercely, especially when the charge is specious and gratuitous. There was no insurrection, not even the people actually ARRESTED there are being charged as such and Trump had no hand, conscious or otherwise in directing them.

Get stuffed.

Trump had everything to do with it.... He seeded the big lie, and egged it on.

As far as your c l aim the President is different than the vp and office holders......your claim, has no legs.

The constitution's impeachment clause is written with all three positions are held equally, in the same sentence regarding impeachment.



The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Very nice. Trump is no longer in office. They are scared he will run again and it will be much harder to defraud him a second time. That is the truth, try admitting it.

They are most certainly trying to strip him from being able to run for any office, ever again. It's the sole purpose for the impeachment, even after he no longer held the office. No one is hiding that purpose.

Then that would fail since this process is unconstitutional

What process is unconstitutional? Impeachment?

There is no Mulligan for a President or any office holder, committing an abusive or criminal act, 2 weeks from leaving office.... impeachment does not just disappear because the abuse took place two weeks from leaving.

I never said it did...But, EVERY American is afforded due process....where was that?

And, now even though it is expressed that the Chief Justice “SHALL” preside. Roberts wants nothing to do with this Kangaroo lynch mob of yours, so, they are installing Patrick Lehey....Are you freakin serious?

Pelosi, and Democrats, as well as anyone supporting this crap are anti American assholes.

So sue Justice Roberts. Take it to the Supreme Court. I'm sure they'll take the case. LOL

Elections have consequences, right?

Of coirse you miss the point. The Chief Justice of SCOTUS SHALL preside. Not may, or “we can put the slobbering Leahy in there”. SHALL. Roberts has already shot down your bullshit and said it isn’t legal. Go ahead and embarrass yourselves more. See moron, they would take the case. And you would lose.

Roberts never said such about the trial being a sham. He simply is copping out on being the presiding judge and out of the political limelight, because he can...constitutionally....

Poor little liar. See, Roberts refused to participate due to this being unconstitutional. And you can’t legally have that drooling imbecile Leahy preside. That word SHALL. Chief Justice SHALL preside.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Poor little liar. See, Roberts refused to participate due to this being unconstitutional. And you can’t legally have that drooling imbecile Leahy preside. That word SHALL. Chief Justice SHALL preside.

I should call you jelly....because you are on a roll.

 

[lantern2814]

"Hey fuckwad, if you have no witnesses, you have no case. Those “witnesses” of your stupidity never testified doofus. Clinton was impeached for lying to Congress moron. How many times do you have to be told this? Lost jobs? That’s on blue state governors who refused to open their states. Riots? That’s on you and your side idiot. Do us a favor and leave our country since you hate it so much. Nobody will miss you. "

We saw on 1-6 who hates the country. This post is pure bullshit.

Says an uneducated racist piece of shit. What was Clinton impeached for asshole? Did blue states shut down asshole? Now go fuck yourself. Assholes like you are a problem that needs to be solved first and foremost.

 

[OldLady]

Can the Senate now, going forward, hold impeachment proceedings for any former official? Point that out please in the constitution

The house can only impeach officers of the US. So a former official would not be subject to impeachment.

But remember, that's a bar on impeachment, not a bar on the senate trying the impeachments presented to it.

Postman, the two are tied together in the Constitution...

Article 2 section 4 states:

" The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. "

I don't see in there where the Impeachment in the house, is seperated in the Senate...In fact this remedy was constructed to remove a sitting President, VP, or civil officer...NOT to go after a political enemy AFTER they have left office...

If the Democrats truly think that President Trump incited the violence on Jan 6, then at this point their remedy is to send a request to the DoJ for prosecution....What they are doing here is nothing but a clown show.

These idiots don’t care. They are Fascist who only want to go after someone who doesn’t agree with them politically.

Oh, and if they pull this off, it won't stop there, next will be other private citizens trust me....In fact, I can see them coming after regular citizens for the crime of not agreeing with them...But, we are supposedly the fascists....

Yup, you are the fascists and we're going to stop y'all.

 

[j-mac]

Can the Senate now, going forward, hold impeachment proceedings for any former official? Point that out please in the constitution

The house can only impeach officers of the US. So a former official would not be subject to impeachment.

But remember, that's a bar on impeachment, not a bar on the senate trying the impeachments presented to it.

Postman, the two are tied together in the Constitution...

Article 2 section 4 states:

" The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. "

I don't see in there where the Impeachment in the house, is seperated in the Senate...In fact this remedy was constructed to remove a sitting President, VP, or civil officer...NOT to go after a political enemy AFTER they have left office...

If the Democrats truly think that President Trump incited the violence on Jan 6, then at this point their remedy is to send a request to the DoJ for prosecution....What they are doing here is nothing but a clown show.

These idiots don’t care. They are Fascist who only want to go after someone who doesn’t agree with them politically.

Oh, and if they pull this off, it won't stop there, next will be other private citizens trust me....In fact, I can see them coming after regular citizens for the crime of not agreeing with them...But, we are supposedly the fascists....

Yup, you are the fascists and we're going to stop y'all.

Oh? And how exactly are we the fascists when it is liberal progressives in Big Tech censoring, Democrat progressives in here calling for the jailing of their opponents, Democrats in the congress trying to oust members that don't agree with them, and on and on....

Maybe you are not clear on what a fascist is?

 

[OldLady]

Can the Senate now, going forward, hold impeachment proceedings for any former official? Point that out please in the constitution

The house can only impeach officers of the US. So a former official would not be subject to impeachment.

But remember, that's a bar on impeachment, not a bar on the senate trying the impeachments presented to it.

Postman, the two are tied together in the Constitution...

Article 2 section 4 states:

" The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. "

I don't see in there where the Impeachment in the house, is seperated in the Senate...In fact this remedy was constructed to remove a sitting President, VP, or civil officer...NOT to go after a political enemy AFTER they have left office...

If the Democrats truly think that President Trump incited the violence on Jan 6, then at this point their remedy is to send a request to the DoJ for prosecution....What they are doing here is nothing but a clown show.

These idiots don’t care. They are Fascist who only want to go after someone who doesn’t agree with them politically.

Oh, and if they pull this off, it won't stop there, next will be other private citizens trust me....In fact, I can see them coming after regular citizens for the crime of not agreeing with them...But, we are supposedly the fascists....

Yup, you are the fascists and we're going to stop y'all.

Oh? And how exactly are we the fascists when it is liberal progressives in Big Tech censoring, Democrat progressives in here calling for the jailing of their opponents, Democrats in the congress trying to oust members that don't agree with them, and on and on....

Maybe you are not clear on what a fascist is?

Big Tech et al are silencing the fascists who attempted to install a leader who lost a fair, double and triple checked election, and is now threatening punishment to any of their officials who disagree with them I know exactly what a fascist is.

 

[Faun]

If We Can Now Impeach Former US Presidents, Why Don't We Start with Crooked Obama? | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft

According to today’s corrupt politicians in DC you can now impeach a former President. If this is the case then let’s start with Obama.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

LOLOL

Leave it to retards like you and thegatewaypundit to think up some stupid shit like that.

No, moron, former presidents can't be impeached.

 

[Faun]

The Senate has already impeached and tried an office holder, the secretary of war, after he no longer held the seat.

He was not the president, the constitution specifically enumerates the president and assigns him special powers and privileges and this conviction will be fought fiercely, especially when the charge is specious and gratuitous. There was no insurrection, not even the people actually ARRESTED there are being charged as such and Trump had no hand, conscious or otherwise in directing them.

Get stuffed.

Trump had everything to do with it.... He seeded the big lie, and egged it on.

As far as your c l aim the President is different than the vp and office holders......your claim, has no legs.

The constitution's impeachment clause is written with all three positions are held equally, in the same sentence regarding impeachment.



The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Very nice. Trump is no longer in office. They are scared he will run again and it will be much harder to defraud him a second time. That is the truth, try admitting it.

They are most certainly trying to strip him from being able to run for any office, ever again. It's the sole purpose for the impeachment, even after he no longer held the office. No one is hiding that purpose.

Then that would fail since this process is unconstitutional

What process is unconstitutional? Impeachment?

There is no Mulligan for a President or any office holder, committing an abusive or criminal act, 2 weeks from leaving office.... impeachment does not just disappear because the abuse took place two weeks from leaving.

You cannot remove what is not there. Democrats have conducted a four year sideshow. If anybody embarrasses this country it is those assholes.

There are two separate votes required to complete a Senate impeachment trial.

One VOTE to convict and remove from office or not. Takes 2/3s voting to convict.

And the second, separate vote required, which only requires a majority vote, not the 2/3s vote, is whether or not to strip those impeached, from ever holding office again.

You can't vote to strip him from holding office again, without the impeachment trial, and that vote cast...

Thus, his holding office or not, matters naught....

Why are they so scared of one man? This much fuss you can bet he was working for the people. That is not done in DC. He had to be doing something right and that is not done in DC either.

You have admitted fraud by hiding evidence and censorship of the topic. You know you cannot beat him in a fair election. That is what you are admitting now. How is that serving the people like the government should?

We did beat him, by a landslide...7 million plus votes and 306 to 232 electoral votes.

Trump concocted the Big Lie, that the election was stolen from him months before the election was held, when his internal polling told him he was going to lose big-time to Biden.

You defrauded Trump. There was massive fraud and now a massive cover up that has failed.

There truly and honestly was no massive voter fraud. You've been convinced there was... I can see that...but you've been conned, by a bunch of con artists...God as my witness!

There truly and honestly was no massive voter fraud.

No. There was truly and honestly massive fraud. Biden is a BOGUS POTUS.

Then tell me exactly what massive voter fraud took place, in at least 3 to 4 of these contentious battle ground, that would have been enough, to over turn that state's election.

There have been so many bogus claims that truly have been debunked, many because procedures were just misunderstood and even twisted to appear bad, when they weren't.

But if there are any that I may not have researched yet, I'd like to know them...So I can dig in to the details.

The Trump team of lawyers have act u ally not brought any actual fraud cases to court. All those cases that dems remind trumpets they lost in court were not fraud cases, but election law procedural issues... and they brought the same procedural issues to as many as ten states, losing in all of them, because the relief they were asking in every one of those cases, was to invalidate ALL absentee ballots in a county with a big city, and mostly minority voters, legally and constitutionally granted the rig h t to vote...because a handful of absentee ballot envelopes May have had a signature not checked, and things like that...and the case Judges basically said, ARE YOU CRAZY? to the Trump lawyers.

No cases of vote switching, or Dominion voting machine irregularities, or milktary swat teams capturing voter servers in Germany, or ballot stuffing, or any of the accusations made by Giuliani and team, in your right wing media was brought to court, by Giuliani and team....not one....ask yourself why not even one?

My bet is the law teams know if they presented a known bogus claim to the court, they could lose their law licences or censured in the least.

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Trump has to overturn too many states, to even come close to winning enough electoral votes... It's an impossible task, imo.

The voter fraud took place in six swing states. Witnesses and data prove the fraud. You are lying, I am not.

All you got Assflap? Why do you even bother posting?

Who needs more than that in response to your lunacy?

The lunacy is accepting a senile career politician who is thoroughly corrupt defrauding his way into office.

So don't accept him then.

Me, and about 100 million others do not accept him. Never will.

So?

 

[Faun]

The Senate has already impeached and tried an office holder, the secretary of war, after he no longer held the seat.

He was not the president, the constitution specifically enumerates the president and assigns him special powers and privileges and this conviction will be fought fiercely, especially when the charge is specious and gratuitous. There was no insurrection, not even the people actually ARRESTED there are being charged as such and Trump had no hand, conscious or otherwise in directing them.

Get stuffed.

Trump had everything to do with it.... He seeded the big lie, and egged it on.

As far as your c l aim the President is different than the vp and office holders......your claim, has no legs.

The constitution's impeachment clause is written with all three positions are held equally, in the same sentence regarding impeachment.



The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Very nice. Trump is no longer in office. They are scared he will run again and it will be much harder to defraud him a second time. That is the truth, try admitting it.

They are most certainly trying to strip him from being able to run for any office, ever again. It's the sole purpose for the impeachment, even after he no longer held the office. No one is hiding that purpose.

Then that would fail since this process is unconstitutional

What process is unconstitutional? Impeachment?

There is no Mulligan for a President or any office holder, committing an abusive or criminal act, 2 weeks from leaving office.... impeachment does not just disappear because the abuse took place two weeks from leaving.

According to the Constitution, it does. Impeachment is for a President, not a former President.

I suggest you send your evidence of a crime to the FBI, Dummy.

Twice Impeached Trump's already been impeached while he was president, dumbfuck.

The Constitution says nothing about the Senate holding an impeachment trial for a private citizen Moron.

LOL

Dumbfuck, your complaint was, "impeachment is for a President, not a former President."

Twice Impeached Trump was impeached while he was president.

It is, Dummy.

Show me where impeachment is for former Presidents.

Impeachment trials are not for former Presidents either, Halfwit.

You lose again.

LOL

He was impeached while he was president, dumbfuck. A pity you still don't know that.

It ended when he left office, Stupid. Congress has no power to put a private citizen on trial.

Once again that pesky Constitution destroys your bullshit.

LOLOL

Hurry, write to your senators that they can't proceed with the impeachment trial!

 

[Lastamender]

The Senate just voted on my constitutional point of order.
45 Senators agreed that this sham of a “trial” is unconstitutional.
That is more than will be needed to acquit and to eventually end this partisan impeachment process.
This “trial” is dead on arrival in the Senate.
— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) January 26, 2021

Vote on Rand Paul’s point of order on impeachment shows Democrats will fall well short

While Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer whines about impeachment for the sake of "healing," it seems practically impossible he will

noqreport.com

 

[Faun]

It is, Dummy.

Show me where impeachment is for former Presidents.

Impeachment trials are not for former Presidents either, Halfwit.

You lose again.

You're half right. Impeachments are for President/Vice President, and officers of the US only.

Impeachment trials are for anybody who was impeached.

Not according to the Constitution. Try reading it.

Dumbfuck, nothing in the Constitution indicates Twice Impeached Trump can't stand trial in the Senate. You're just too brain-dead to know any better.

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. ​

 

[Lastamender]

It is, Dummy.

Show me where impeachment is for former Presidents.

Impeachment trials are not for former Presidents either, Halfwit.

You lose again.

You're half right. Impeachments are for President/Vice President, and officers of the US only.

Impeachment trials are for anybody who was impeached.

Not according to the Constitution. Try reading it.

Dumbfuck, nothing in the Constitution indicates Twice Impeached Trump can't stand trial in the Senate. You're just too brain-dead to know any better.

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. ​

Did you see the vote? It does not matter. Trump will not be found guilty.

 

[Faun]

What a crock of shit.

The Constitution clearly states the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court “SHALL” preside over impeachment trials of a President.

what about “SHALL” confuses you?

Fuckstick Leahy isn’t on the Supreme Court.

The chief justice shall preside over impeachment trials of a president.

Just FYI, Trump isn't president, that position is currently held by Joseph R. Biden.

Correct. Trump is no longer President, so the Constitution has no provision to put him on trial.

Try reading the Constitution for clarity, pinhead...

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.​

And if you still don't understand, maybe this will help you...

Definition of ALL

the whole amount, quantity, or extent of; as much as possible; every member or individual component of… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[Faun]

It is, Dummy.

Show me where impeachment is for former Presidents.

Impeachment trials are not for former Presidents either, Halfwit.

You lose again.

You're half right. Impeachments are for President/Vice President, and officers of the US only.

Impeachment trials are for anybody who was impeached.

Not according to the Constitution. Try reading it.

Dumbfuck, nothing in the Constitution indicates Twice Impeached Trump can't stand trial in the Senate. You're just too brain-dead to know any better.

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. ​

Did you see the vote? It does not matter. Trump will not be found guilty.

I don't expect he will. But your diversion from the thread topic reveals even you know he will face an impeachment trial in the Senate. And this comes after you just posted a link to that moronic gatewaypundit article.

And the best part -- Twice Impeached Trump is already the only president in U.S. history to be impeached twice. What a fucking loser he is.

 

[MadDog]

The Senate just voted on my constitutional point of order.
45 Senators agreed that this sham of a “trial” is unconstitutional.
That is more than will be needed to acquit and to eventually end this partisan impeachment process.
This “trial” is dead on arrival in the Senate.
— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) January 26, 2021

Vote on Rand Paul’s point of order on impeachment shows Democrats will fall well short

While Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer whines about impeachment for the sake of "healing," it seems practically impossible he will

noqreport.com

Just a ploy by Rand Paul. Some members of Congress have already been threatened just for declining to block certification of the election results on Jan 6. All Paul is doing is trying to expose Rpublicans to more threats. Do you have any doubts that Senate Republicans and their families will receive more threats? Honestly?

it isn’t up to the Senate to determine what’s constitutional. That’s up to SCOTUS. If there were a serious case against the trial, why hasn’t Trump filed suit to stop it.