CrusaderFrank
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Hiss wrote the Yalta treaty.
But it wasn't FDR that provided the details. His ass was almost dead in Yalta. Again, you fail to see WHO did not want to police eastern Europe and fight the Russians.
That man was General Dwight D. Eisenhower, a leader that you claim was unqualified to make decisions and you know more today about what should have been done because someone wrote a book and told you so.
Patton was a great motivator and field strategist at the expense of casualties. Policy wise he was a fool and loud mouth.
Patton during the end of the European war in 1944: "Hell, why do we care what these God damn Russians think? We are going to have to fight them sooner or later, within the next generation. Why don't we do it now with our Army still intact and the damn Russians can have their hind end kicked back to Russia in 3 months? We can do it easily with the help of the German troops we have if we just arm them and take them with us. They hate the bastards." Eisenhower had no choice. He knew Patton's mouth was out of control and Ike would never expose American troops to 500,000 KIA fighting the Russians.
Patton's combat skills were second to none. However, that often does not translate to policy.
The movie Patton really gives people the incorrect idea about the man, but at least watched the movie and learned that much about him.
If Patton had Omar Bradly's job, the US would have been in Berlin, Prague and Vienna months ahead of the Russians.
He wrote in his diary in August 44 that letting the Germans slip out of Falaise was one of the worst decisions in human history
He predicted Eisenhower would run for President.
He knew letting the Russians keep Eastern Europe was a strategic failure.
The movie was great Frank as I love George C. Scott but I have read Wesley Clarks and Steven Zaloga's autobiography. I also have read the 850 page Eisenhower 1943-1945 at War by David Eisenhower. I have a vast WWII book collection as that is one of my hobbies.
So we demand in words for Russia to leave eastern Europe and Stalin and his 90 intact divisions armed to the teeth say "yes sir, we will leave immediately".
Frank believes that would have worked.
Facts are that the Russians took 90K KIA and 250K wounded in 4 months taking Berlin. Germany took 5.5 million KIA in WWII, mostly to the Russians. Russia took 9 million KIA and how many more would they have taken in a fight with us? Us with NO allies, doing it alone.
Every military General anywhere during WWII knew that if Patton was in charge there would be no cooperation between the allies.
You do know that the English and the Russians were our allies Frank and many times they took as much or more territory than we did.
Frank was for Patton adding another 150K KIA Americans to take Berlin, Prague and Vienna. No military leader anywhere has stated that it would have worked but even if it was attempted the 150K KIA would have happened.
No one let the Russians "keep eastern Europe" Frank.
The Russians TOOK eastern Europe. Spoils of war is horrible but reality is hard for ideologues to accept. We knew in 1941 what the deal would be.
You say you have books and I 'll take your word at it, but reading does not appear high up on your to do list.
I said Patton would have ended the war months earlier and gotten to Berlin, Prague and Vienna ahead of the Russians. Do you want me to repeat that again? How many more times must I post it before you get it?
FDR let politics run the war, he let Stalin take Berlin Prague and Vienna.
Patton, the Germans and most of the civilized world would rather have had the US and Brits control that real estate, but not FDR and his Communist spies at State.
Again, start a Patton thread if you must