Seems awful cold for the "hottest" year on record

[otto105]

I'm not the idiot who has knowledge of science. That would be you.

Well stated ding

 

[ding]

Switching off the AMOC will cool off Europe, not the planet. If the AMOC shuts off, what do you think will happen to the equatorial regions from which Europe's warmth originated? This is similar to the development of Rossby Waves in the jet stream. The American midwest gets colder, but the American northwest gets warmer. There is no effect on the temperature of the globe as a whole. These are the sort of fundamental oversights your posts are absolutely FILLED with.

It's not just Europe. That you refuse to accept how close the NH is from extensive continental glaciation is astonishing since the threshold temperature can literally be identified from the oxygen isotope curve.

Maybe study the data a little more closely.

 

[Crick]

It's not just Europe. That you refuse to accept how close the NH is from extensive continental glaciation is astonishing since the threshold temperature can literally be identified from the oxygen isotope curve.

Maybe study the data a little more closely.

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We left the last glacial period 11,700 years ago and our current temperatures are going in the wrong direction if you're expecting the next one to start any time soon. As I have repeatedly told you, we began cooling 6,000 years ago following the HCO but that was stopped by AGW. Even without that, we are not predicted to descend into the next glacial period for a good 10,000 years.

 

[ding]

We left the last glacial period 11,700 years ago and our current temperatures are going in the wrong direction if you're expecting the next one to start any time soon. As I have repeatedly told you, we began cooling 6,000 years ago following the HCO but that was stopped by AGW. Even without that, we are not predicted to descend into the next glacial period for a good 10,000 years.

And has nothing whatsoever to do with what I said. If the ocean currents change the climate of the planet will change.

Energy from the Sun drives climate by heating Earth’s surface unevenly. Ice also reflects incoming sunlight, cooling the poles even more. The temperature difference sets the ocean and atmosphere in motion as they work together to distribute heat around the planet. Movement of heat by the atmosphere and ocean gives rise to climate and weather. The ocean holds 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere. The ocean releases heat in response to changes in the atmosphere. That's how weather and climate work. If the ocean currents change the climate of the planet will change.

 

[Crick]

And has nothing whatsoever to do with what I said. If the ocean currents change the climate of the planet will change.

Did the ocean's currents undergo some massive change at the time of the Industrial Revolution? No, they did not.

Another Ding mistake.

Energy from the Sun drives climate by heating Earth’s surface unevenly.

The sun does not heat the Earth's surface unevenly.

Another Ding mistake.

Ice also reflects incoming sunlight, cooling the poles even more.

Even more than what? Periods when there was no ice there? Well, the ice is currently disappearing. So, the Earth's albedo is dropping. So the sun is warming the planet more than before the Industrial Revolution.

Another Ding mistake.

The temperature difference sets the ocean and atmosphere in motion

What temperature difference is that? Is it some difference that has changed since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution? And if you think it has, what was the cause?

Another Ding mistake.

as they work together to distribute heat around the planet.

The atmosphere and the ocean do not have a GOAL to distribute heat around the planet.

Another Ding mistake.

Movement of heat by the atmosphere and ocean gives rise to climate and weather.

No. That movement IS weather. Weather is driven by DIFFERENCES in energy. Here, from Google's AI

Weather is caused by interactions between solar radiation, the Earth's ocean, landscapes, and motion in space. These interactions create global patterns in the atmosphere that impact local weather. Weather is defined as the state of the atmosphere at a specific time and place, and is made up of six main components:

• Temperature: How hot or cold the atmosphere is
• Atmospheric pressure: Caused by the weight of air molecules, which can lead to clear skies or cloud formation
• Wind: Driven by global wind patterns that create air masses
• Humidity: Can be affected by solar radiation
• Cloud formation: Can be caused by low air pressure
• Precipitation: Can include rain

Another Ding mistake

The ocean holds 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere.

Water actually has a specific heat capacity only 4.23 times that of air. Your figure of 1,000 comes from a comparison by VOLUME. That is, a gram of water is much smaller than a gram of air at STP.

Another Ding mistake.

The ocean releases heat in response to changes in the atmosphere.

The ocean radiates thermal energy constantly dependent SOLELY on its absolute temperature. It conducts and convects thermal energy to and from the solid basin in which it rests and the atmosphere above it. You understanding here is puerile.

Another Ding mistake.

That's how weather and climate work. If the ocean currents change the climate of the planet will change.

Again, you invoke "Hey Presto". The only thing you EVER succeed in demonstrating here is your basic science ignorance.

Another Ding mistake.

 

[ding]

Did the ocean's currents undergo some massive change at the time of the Industrial Revolution? No, they did not.

Correct. They have been warming since the last glacial maximum which is the point at which the planet began thawing from the glacial period. The planet will continue to warm - just like it always has after a glacial period - until the next glacial period.

Remember, this glacial period is still 2C colder than the previous glacial periods. We can expect another 2C of warming before salinity and density changes coupled with wind pattern changes usher in the next glacial cycle.

 

[ding]

The sun does not heat the Earth's surface unevenly.

I never said it did. In fact I said the sun doesn't heat the earth's surface evenly and that is the reason for weather and climate. See?

Energy from the Sun drives climate by heating Earth’s surface unevenly. Ice also reflects incoming sunlight, cooling the poles even more. The temperature difference sets the ocean and atmosphere in motion as they work together to distribute heat around the planet. Movement of heat by the atmosphere and ocean gives rise to climate and weather. The ocean holds 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere. The ocean releases heat in response to changes in the atmosphere. That's how weather and climate work. If the ocean currents change the climate of the planet will change.

 

[ding]

Even more than what? Periods when there was no ice there? Well, the ice is currently disappearing. So, the Earth's albedo is dropping. So the sun is warming the planet more than before the Industrial Revolution.

Even more than no ice at the polar region.

The sun is quite consistent in its output. It's always warming the oceans and the oceans are always storing the heat. It's how the ocean's distributes the heat (i.e. ocean currents) that affect the climate of the planet. Stop playing dumb.

 

[ding]

What temperature difference is that? Is it some difference that has changed since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution? And if you think it has, what was the cause?

Any temperature difference. Stop playing dumb.

How many times do I have to tell you. CO2 is responsible for 0.22C to 0.5C. The rest of the warming is natural and is due to the oceans becoming warmer.

 

[ding]

The atmosphere and the ocean do not have a GOAL to distribute heat around the planet.

Never said or implied that they did. Stop playing dumb.

1. The ocean stores the majority of heat from the sun
2. The ocean holds 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere
3. The ocean distributes that heat to the rest of the globe
4. Without ocean currents the polar regions would be colder and the equator would be hotter such that much of the planet would be inhospitable for life
5. Ocean currents are affected by density (salinity and thermal expansion) and wind.
6. Wind patterns are affected by the sun
7. If heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic were disrupted it would lead to catastrophic cooling

 

[ding]

No. That movement IS weather. Weather is driven by DIFFERENCES in energy. Here, from Google's AI

Weather is caused by interactions between solar radiation, the Earth's ocean, landscapes, and motion in space. These interactions create global patterns in the atmosphere that impact local weather. Weather is defined as the state of the atmosphere at a specific time and place, and is made up of six main components:

• Temperature: How hot or cold the atmosphere is
• Atmospheric pressure: Caused by the weight of air molecules, which can lead to clear skies or cloud formation
• Wind: Driven by global wind patterns that create air masses
• Humidity: Can be affected by solar radiation
• Cloud formation: Can be caused by low air pressure
• Precipitation: Can include rain

Take it up with these guys.

How Climate Works - Hall of Planet Earth | AMNH

Movement of heat by the atmosphere and ocean gives rise to climate and weather.

www.amnh.org

 

[HikerGuy83]

Another Ding mistake.

Crick farts again....on his keyboard.

 

[ding]

Water actually has a specific heat capacity only 4.23 times that of air. Your figure of 1,000 comes from a comparison by VOLUME. That is, a gram of water is much smaller than a gram of air at STP.

It's based upon mass, dummy. Are you seriously disputing that the ocean contains 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere?

 

[ding]

Crick farts again....on his keyboard.

He's hurling insults while I'm making my case. I can go on all day making my case but he'll never find joy or happiness from mocking me. His mocking me is a form of hatred and sadness. Nothing good can ever come from that. He'll probably end up beating his dog tonight because deep down he knows I am bending him over and having my way with him.

 

[HikerGuy83]

He's hurling insults while I'm making my case. I can go on all day making my case but he'll never find joy or happiness from mocking me. His mocking me is a form of hatred and sadness. Nothing good can ever come from that. He'll probably end up beating his dog tonight.

He and his left wing brood do what left wingers do.

They assault anyone who does not agree with them (in spite of being the more tolerant people ).

Because they are RIGHT. No matter what anyone or anything says. They are RIGHT.

 

[ding]

The ocean radiates thermal energy constantly dependent SOLELY on its absolute temperature. It conducts and convects thermal energy to and from the solid basin in which it rests and the atmosphere above it. You understanding here is puerile.

Yes, that's how it is warming certain regions like the Arctic more than it would be without that heat distribution But the fact that the ocean is warming up means that it is storing more heat than it is releasing. It's amazing that a supposed ocean engineer (whatever that is) like you doesn't understand the role the ocean plays in earth's climate. Let me refresh your memory.

1. The ocean stores the majority of heat from the sun
2. The ocean holds 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere
3. The ocean distributes that heat to the rest of the globe
4. Without ocean currents the polar regions would be colder and the equator would be hotter such that much of the planet would be inhospitable for life
5. Ocean currents are affected by density (salinity and thermal expansion) and wind.
6. Wind patterns are affected by the sun
7. If heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic were disrupted it would lead to catastrophic cooling

 

[Crick]

Take it up with these guys.

How Climate Works - Hall of Planet Earth | AMNH

Movement of heat by the atmosphere and ocean gives rise to climate and weather.

www.amnh.org

From you link: "Movement of heat by the atmosphere and ocean gives rise to climate and weather."

What I said:

No. That movement IS weather. Weather is driven by DIFFERENCES in energy.

The movement of energy doesn't cause weather, it IS the weather.

 

[ding]

Again, you invoke "Hey Presto". The only thing you EVER succeed in demonstrating here is your basic science ignorance.

This is the basic science and you haven't disagreed with any of it.

1. The ocean stores the majority of heat from the sun
2. The ocean holds 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere
3. The ocean distributes that heat to the rest of the globe
4. Without ocean currents the polar regions would be colder and the equator would be hotter such that much of the planet would be inhospitable for life
5. Ocean currents are affected by density (salinity and thermal expansion) and wind.
6. Wind patterns are affected by the sun
7. If heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic were disrupted it would lead to catastrophic cooling

 

[ding]

From you link: "Movement of heat by the atmosphere and ocean gives rise to climate and weather."

What I said:

The movement of energy doesn't cause weather, it IS the weather.

Stop playing dumb.

1. The ocean stores the majority of heat from the sun
2. The ocean holds 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere
3. The ocean distributes that heat to the rest of the globe
4. Without ocean currents the polar regions would be colder and the equator would be hotter such that much of the planet would be inhospitable for life
5. Ocean currents are affected by density (salinity and thermal expansion) and wind.
6. Wind patterns are affected by the sun
7. If heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic were disrupted it would lead to catastrophic cooling

 

[Crick]

It's based upon mass, dummy. Are you seriously disputing that the ocean contains 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere?

On a MASS basis, the difference between air and water is a factor of 4.23, not 1,000. Look it the fuck up you goddamned idiot.

Another Ding mistake.

Stop playing dumb.

1. The ocean stores the majority of heat from the sun
2. The ocean holds 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere
3. The ocean distributes that heat to the rest of the globe
4. Without ocean currents the polar regions would be colder and the equator would be hotter such that much of the planet would be inhospitable for life
5. Ocean currents are affected by density (salinity and thermal expansion) and wind.
6. Wind patterns are affected by the sun
7. If heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic were disrupted it would lead to catastrophic cooling

Stop BEING stupid.