See the vax numbers for yourselves in the highest vaxed countries, these mandates are far beyond criminal.

[ThoughtCrimes]

Sourced and peer-review vetted:

“Meta-analysis of 15 trials, assessing 2438 participants, found that ivermectin reduced the risk of death by an average of 62% (95% CI 27%–81%) compared with no ivermectin treatment [average RR (aRR) 0.38, 95% CI 0.19 to 0.73; I2 = 49%]; risk of death 2.3% versus 7.8% among hospitalized patients in this analysis, respectively (SoF Table Table22 and Figure Figure3).3). “

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines

Repurposed medicines may have a role against the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The antiparasitic ivermectin, with antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties, has now been tested in numerous clinical trials.We assessed the efficacy of ivermectin treatment in reducing ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Don't you supply a decoder ring for readers to ascertain the arguments you are trying to pass off?

If you can't formulate cohearant arguments, one should not simply post Willy Nilly!

 

[SweetSue92]

Sorry, but you seem to have a problem with understanding statistics. Base rates have a huge influence on how to interpret incidences.

100% effective against hospitalization and death was (if I’m not mistaken) amongst the study population. In real life, it’s never so rosy.

Still, I’ll take 90% effective over zero. That’s still pretty damn good.

I agree that was among study participants and yes, I understand it. However the media ran with this. And people believed it. Hence all the awfulness directed at the unvaccinated.

 

[colfax_m]

Nope the benefits are still there and we’ve already been over the “errors“ in this study. What happened was a hit job. It’s been happening this entire time. Why would you classify ivermectin as horse dewormer, when it’s clearly Heavily used in humans and even one the fucking Nobel prize in humans.

despite that one study, there’s still 20 other fucking studies out there. I guess all those RCTs are bullshit? Then why do you have to say about The thoroughness of the studies for remdisivir, which is using every single hospital to treat Covid?

The errors including things like people who were supposedly enrolled before the study began. There's serious doubts about randomization and blinding. You are trying to whitewash this, but they're not just mistakes, they're major concerns for the accuracy of the data.

Isn't Ivermectin used as a horse dewormer?

 

[colfax_m]

I agree that was among study participants and yes, I understand it. However the media ran with this. And people believed it. Hence all the awfulness directed at the unvaccinated.

Hospital systems are breaking because of the unvaccinated. That's not a lie.

 

[SweetSue92]

Hospital systems are breaking because of the unvaccinated. That's not a lie.

Hospital systems are breaking because greedy hospital admins in cahoots with the insurance companies have been cutting beds and services for YEARS. C'mon now

 

[colfax_m]

Hospital systems are breaking because greedy hospital admins in cahoots with the insurance companies have been cutting beds and services for YEARS. C'mon now

FFS is there a conspiracy for everything?

Large numbers of beds are occupied by patients who did not need to be admitted if they had been vaccinated. Those beds are needed by people suffering heart attacks, strokes, infections.

This is avoidable if it hadn’t been for massive amounts of disinformation and propaganda from the right wing.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Less than 6 percent vaccinated


"But there is something “mysterious” going on in Africa that is puzzling scientists, said Wafaa El-Sadr, chair of global health at Columbia University. “Africa doesn’t have the vaccines and the resources to fight COVID-19 that they have in Europe and the U.S., but somehow they seem to be doing better,” she said.

Fewer than 6% of people in Africa are vaccinated. For months, the WHO has described Africa as “one of the least affected regions in the world” in its weekly pandemic reports."

Scientists mystified, wary, as Africa avoids COVID disaster

When the coronavirus first emerged last year, health officials feared the pandemic would sweep across Africa, killing millions and destroying the continent’s fragile health systems.

apnews.com

 

[badger2]

Don't you supply a decoder ring for readers to ascertain the arguments you are trying to pass off?

If you can't formulate cohearant arguments, one should not simply post Willy Nilly!

Why should your problem of processing the mother tongue, English, be anyone else’s?

 

[badger2]

It’s impossible for Pfizer to show a snapshot of what paxlovid does in vivo. It’s impossible to show a snapshot of what ivermectin does in vivo. Language has the same problem.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Why should your problem of processing the mother tongue, English, be anyone else’s?

As you already know, or at least should know, it's not an issue of language, but rather an issue of interpreting what the other poster is trying but failing to communicate. Citing scant portions of a study without any contextual framing to communicate an argument or purpose of the response is ignorant, childish taunting for those who might want to troll perhaps!

 

[badger2]

As you already know, or at least should know, it's not an issue of language, but rather an issue of interpreting what the other poster is trying but failing to communicate. Citing scant portions of a study without any contextual framing to communicate an argument or purpose of the response is ignorant, childish taunting for those who might want to troll perhaps!

Posters can be tested in front of the others to prove they understand that the basic premise is the reduction of death. The poster has no responsibility to interpret: every genome in the study was interpreting the virus in its own unique way.

 

[badger2]

December is too late. One must go back to at least the Wuhan Military Games in Oct 2019 And Sep 2019 for increased hospital traffic in Wuhan.

This article does not mention that the 11 Dec case was a shrimp seller, nor that Wuhan lab bat lady, Zheng-li Shi, wrote on white spot virus disease of shrimp in 2006. Nor has this article mentioned what was for sale at Yanchahu market. The rural address north of Wuhan on the map is interesting, and again, this Science article does not mention any investigation of the various suppliers to either of the two markets, nor their itinerary shortly before the outbreak, before the seafood market was sanitized. It should be disturbingly easy to find out the source of Nycterueutes sold at the Hunan market. Who brought them there in the first place?

There is something awry with Worobey’s Science report. He laments about the raccoon dogs for sale at the Huanan Seafood market though provides not the first clue to what happened with the first cases of SARS-CoV in raccoon dogs from the market in Guandong. Where is the evidence for tracking the source of SARS-CoV in civet or raccoon dogs? Who brought those animals to the market and where did they come from? That market was not sanitized like the Huanan market was sanitized, though makes little difference if the investigative trail was not pursued.

 

[badger2]

So what does Worobey have to say about the stupidity that forgot to test ivermectin in masked palm civets infected with SARS-CoV?

Masked Palm Civet Treated With Selamectin

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih/26352976

 

[badger2]

MITE INFECTION IN A MASKED PALM CIVET (PAGUMA LARVATA) TREATED BY SELAMECTIN (STRONGHOLD®, PFIZER LTD.) - PubMed

The masked palm civet (Paguma larvata) is a small Asian mammal (order Carnivora, family Viverridae) uncommon in Italy. Limited information is available about management and sanitary maintenance in captivity. A 4-mo-old masked palm civet presented with pruritus, itch, scratching, and disorexia...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[SweetSue92]

FFS is there a conspiracy for everything?

Large numbers of beds are occupied by patients who did not need to be admitted if they had been vaccinated. Those beds are needed by people suffering heart attacks, strokes, infections.

This is avoidable if it hadn’t been for massive amounts of disinformation and propaganda from the right wing.

You're not a doctor

 

[zaangalewa]

westwall

What do you suggest to do to fight against covid-19 instead of a vaccination? To surrender?

 

[eagle1462010]

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/FLCCC-Summary-of-the-evidence-of-ivermectin-in-COVID-19.pdf

Studies for ivermectin

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf

Treatment options and prevention options with actual pharma doses listed.

From the man who invented the mRNA who they have attacked because he raised the alarm on using them.

 

[eagle1462010]

December is too late. One must go back to at least the Wuhan Military Games in Oct 2019 And Sep 2019 for increased hospital traffic in Wuhan.

This article does not mention that the 11 Dec case was a shrimp seller, nor that Wuhan lab bat lady, Zheng-li Shi, wrote on white spot virus disease of shrimp in 2006. Nor has this article mentioned what was for sale at Yanchahu market. The rural address north of Wuhan on the map is interesting, and again, this Science article does not mention any investigation of the various suppliers to either of the two markets, nor their itinerary shortly before the outbreak, before the seafood market was sanitized. It should be disturbingly easy to find out the source of Nycterueutes sold at the Hunan market. Who brought them there in the first place?

Yup Read the story where the streets were deserted during the military games. Participants were saying where were the people. They were already in Isolation in October.

 

[eagle1462010]

westwall

What do you suggest to do to fight against covid-19 instead of a vaccination? To surrender?

Take the advice of medical people like the op and other scientist who aren't tied to the hip of Pharma pushing their drugs and vaccines that don't work.

We could do like India and use NATURAL VACCINES. They have 4 times the people than here and a little over half the deaths. They use traditional vaccines and cheap effective drugs. They are treating patients not ROBBING THEIR WALLETS for the disease.

 

[eagle1462010]

Why are COVID cases in India decreasing, despite the low double vaccination rate?

COVID continues to slow down in India. The festival season, which includes Durga Puja and Diwali where large groups of Indians gather, did not lead to a surge in cases. Epidemiological modelers had earlier predicted a third wave peaking during October and November.

medicalxpress.com

Signals from recent antibody tests

In India, "serosurveys" have been regularly conducted since the pandemic began. This is where blood is tested from large numbers of people to check for the presence of COVID antibodies—the things our bodies make after being infected with COVID or receiving a COVID vaccine.

The fourth national survey in July reported 67.6% of people across India had COVID antibodies present, providing them with a level of immunity against the virus. At that time 24.8% of people were immunized with a single dose of vaccine and 13% were fully vaccinated. This means a large proportion of those with antibodies had actually been infected with COVID.

Delhi reported 97% of people were positive for antibodies in October, including 80% of children. Some 95.3% of those immunized with the Indian version of the Astrazeneca vaccine Covishield had developed antibodies, as did 93% of those who received India's own vaccine Covaxin.

The state of Haryana's serosurvey in October found antibodies in 76.3% of adults, upwards of 70% among children, and negligible difference between urban and rural populations.

Kerala had the lowest sero-prevalence of 44.4% in the fourth national serosurvey in July, but in October it had risen to 82.6% among the general population and 85.3% among residents of urban slums.