Estimate of Total COVID Vaccine Deaths Caused by the Harris/Biden Mandates in the US: Up to 1 Million

[munkle]

If Harris wins the one thing we can look forward to is more medical mandates. Trump is firmly against COVID vaccine mandates. Kamala Harris still requires her staff to have had all available “boosters” in order to be “up to date” in their COVID vaccinations.

How Bill Gates Orchestrated 1 Million U.S. Deaths Without Getting Caught

Since the COVID vaccine roll-out in 2021, over 1 million people have died in the US over and above what would be expected from normal trends, or about 20% more. Using 2019 as a baseline, when there…

coronanews123.wordpress.com

"Since the vaccine roll-out in 2021, over 1 million people have died in the US over and above what would be expected from normal historical trends. Using the 2019 2.85 million all-cause deaths as a baseline, 1,350,000 people died over and above that in 2021, 2022, and 2023. Although 100,000 or so of those can be easily accounted for by the ordinary increase in yearly deaths - about 30,000 to 40,000 per year – due to the Baby Boomer demographic bulge, this still leaves well over a million US deaths long after the COVID vaccine roll-out was supposed to start lowering “excess deaths” and bring out herd immunity to COVID.

The COVID vaccination campaign is the first vaccination campaign in history to result in excess deaths going markedly up, rather than down.

Excess deaths in the US have remained remarkably high, including well over one-half million of them in 2021, by the end of which 60% of the US population had been “vaccinated.”

US All-Cause Deaths

2014  2.63 M
2015  2.71 M
2016  2.74 M
2017  2.81 M
2018  2.84 M
2019  2.85 M
2020  3.39 M     
2021  3.5 M       
2022  3.3 M      
2023  3.1 M

Source: CDC

Thus, depending on to what extent one believes the government’s estimates of deaths due to COVID, a veritable genocide of over a million people in the last 3 years in the US alone is possible. It was none other than 2020 Corona Virus Task Force member Dr. Deborah Birx who said in April 2020 that any death which can be possibly counted as COVID will be counted as COVID. If the government itself is warning us not to believe anything about its numbers, we would do well to heed it.

Strong incentives have been and are still in place to arrive at a diagnosis of COVID. In December 2020, Minnesota lawmakers conducted an audit of 2,800 death certificates with COVID listed as the main cause and concluded that the number was inflated by 40%.

The incentives to count deaths as COVID are also apparent in the virtual disappearance of flu deaths from about 40,000 per season to just under 5,000 in 2021-2022, and another low of 21,000 in 2022-2023 and 17,000 in 2022-2023. It is beyond obvious that many flu deaths are being counted as COVID.

World Vaccine Death Estimates​

In 2023 University of Ottawa Professor Denis Rancourt published a study which estimate that roughly 17 million people around the world have been killed by the COVID vaccines since their release in 2021. Other studies arriving at shocking numbers of dead from the vaccine have been released by Columbia University Prof. Spiro Pantazatos, and a team of scientists publishing in the science journal Toxicology Reports.

Official UK data has suggested that excess deaths around the world have been primarily among the vaccinated. And in May 2024, a world renown pathologist, Professor Dr. Arne Burkhardt MD, made a presentation at the European Parliament which estimated that in 77% of the autopsies he had performed at the request of families of persons who died unexpectedly after the vaccine, the vaccine “had an important effect on the death process.”

Excess Deaths in countries around the world have ranged from none to 38% in 2021 and 2022. For 2021, the year of the vaccine roll-out and vaccine mandates, excess deaths in the US were 17.8%, and 9.8% in 2022.

In the US in the last quarter of 2021, excess deaths were up 40%, mostly among working age people. Life insurance executive Scott Davison, CEO of insurance giant One America, said in January 2022:

“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic…So 40% is just unheard of.”

Firmly linking world excess deaths to the COVID vaccines is world renown pathologist Dr. Arne Burkhardt, a German, who has performed many autopsies on suddenly, mysteriously deceased people, at the request of their families. Other pathologists who have also done so are Dr. Peter Schirmacher, and Dr. Ryan Cole.

GLOBAL EXCESS DEATHS ALL-CAUSES 2020 – 2022. Source: (CLICK HERE FOR IMAGE)
The media and medical establishment have ruthlessly suppressed any negative information about the COVID vaccines, even it it is credible. For starters one need only peruse the compendium “Over 1,000 Peer-Reviewed Medical Papers of COVID Vaccine Injuries.”

Correlation Does Equal Causation After All, Renown Pathology Professor Concludes Many Unusual, Unexplained Deaths Caused by Covid Vaccines, Based on Autopsies​

World renown pathologist Dr. Burkhardt came out of retirement at the request of families who were not satisfied with the official explanations for why their loved ones died soon and unexpectedly after a Covid vaccination. Dr. Arne Burkhardt taught at the Universities of Hamburg, Berne and Tübingen. He published more than 150 scientific articles in international scientific journals, and has audited and certified institutes of pathology."

Pathologist Dr. Arne Burkhardt,Presentation at International Covid Summit at European Parliament May 2023 (view at Rumble) (Presentation slides)

 

[Foxfyre]

If Harris wins the one thing we can look forward to is more medical mandates. Trump is firmly against COVID vaccine mandates. Kamala Harris still requires her staff to have had all available “boosters” in order to be “up to date” in their COVID vaccinations.

How Bill Gates Orchestrated 1 Million U.S. Deaths Without Getting Caught

Since the COVID vaccine roll-out in 2021, over 1 million people have died in the US over and above what would be expected from normal trends, or about 20% more. Using 2019 as a baseline, when there…

coronanews123.wordpress.com

"Since the vaccine roll-out in 2021, over 1 million people have died in the US over and above what would be expected from normal historical trends. Using the 2019 2.85 million all-cause deaths as a baseline, 1,350,000 people died over and above that in 2021, 2022, and 2023. Although 100,000 or so of those can be easily accounted for by the ordinary increase in yearly deaths about 30,000 to 40,000 per year – due to the Baby Boomer demographic bulge, this still leaves well over a million US deaths long after the COVID vaccine roll-out was supposed to start lowering “excess deaths” and bring out herd immunity to COVID.

The COVID vaccination campaign is the first vaccination campaign in history to result in excess deaths going markedly up, rather than down.

Excess deaths in the US have remained remarkably high, including well over one-half million of them in 2021, by the end of which 60% of the US population had been “vaccinated.”

US All-Cause Deaths

2014  2.63 M
2015  2.71 M
2016  2.74 M
2017  2.81 M
2018  2.84 M
2019  2.85 M
2020  3.39 M     
2021  3.5 M       
2022  3.3 M      
2023  3.1 M

Source: CDC

Thus, depending on to what extent one believes the government’s estimates of deaths due to COVID, a veritable genocide of over a million people in the last 3 years in the US alone is possible. It was none other than 2020 Corona Virus Task Force member Dr. Deborah Birx who said in April 2020 that any death which can be possibly counted as COVID will be counted as COVID. If the government itself is warning us not to believe anything about its numbers, we would do well to heed it.

Strong incentives have been and are still in place to arrive at a diagnosis of COVID. In December 2020, Minnesota lawmakers conducted an audit of 2,800 death certificates with COVID listed as the main cause and concluded that the number was inflated by 40%.

The incentives to count deaths as COVID are also apparent in the virtual disappearance of flu deaths from about 40,000 per season to just under 5,000 in 2021-2022, and another low of 21,000 in 2022-2023 and 17,000 in 2022-2023. It is beyond obvious that many flu deaths are being counted as COVID.

World Vaccine Death Estimates​

In 2023 University of Ottawa Professor Denis Rancourt published a study which estimate that roughly 17 million people around the world have been killed by the COVID vaccines since their release in 2021. Other studies arriving at shocking numbers of dead from the vaccine have been released by Columbia University Prof. Spiro Pantazatos, and a team of scientists publishing in the science journal Toxicology Reports.

Official UK data has suggested that excess deaths around the world have been primarily among the vaccinated. And in May 2024, a world renown pathologist, Professor Dr. Arne Burkhardt MD, made a presentation at the European Parliament which estimated that in 77% of the autopsies he had performed at the request of families of persons who died unexpectedly after the vaccine, the vaccine “had an important effect on the death process.”

Excess Deaths in countries around the world have ranged from none to 38% in 2021 and 2022. For 2021, the year of the vaccine roll-out and vaccine mandates, excess deaths in the US were 17.8%, and 9.8% in 2022.

In the US in the last quarter of 2021, excess deaths were up 40%, mostly among working age people. Life insurance executive Scott Davison, CEO of insurance giant One America, said in January 2022:

“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic…So 40% is just unheard of.”

Firmly linking world excess deaths to the COVID vaccines is world renown pathologist Dr. Arne Burkhardt, a German, who has performed many autopsies on suddenly, mysteriously deceased people, at the request of their families. Other pathologists who have also done so are Dr. Peter Schirmacher, and Dr. Ryan Cole.

GLOBAL EXCESS DEATHS ALL-CAUSES 2020 – 2022. Source: (CLICK HERE FOR IMAGE)
The media and medical establishment have ruthlessly suppressed any negative information about the COVID vaccines, even it it is credible. For starters one need only peruse the compendium “Over 1,000 Peer-Reviewed Medical Papers of COVID Vaccine Injuries.”

Correlation Does Equal Causation After All, Renown Pathology Professor Concludes Many Unusual, Unexplained Deaths Caused by Covid Vaccines, Based on Autopsies​

World renown pathologist Dr. Burkhardt came out of retirement at the request of families who were not satisfied with the official explanations for why their loved ones died soon and unexpectedly after a Covid vaccination. Dr. Arne Burkhardt taught at the Universities of Hamburg, Berne and Tübingen. He published more than 150 scientific articles in international scientific journals, and has audited and certified institutes of pathology."

Pathologist Dr. Arne Burkhardt,Presentation at International Covid Summit at European Parliament May 2023 (view at Rumble) (Presentation slides)

I am 100% opposed to vaccine mandates.

Having said that, to use 2019 pre-pandemic figures as the baseline for what is and is not an unusual death is really stretching it.

There is no such thing as a 100% safe vaccine and perhaps the COVID vaxxes have resulted in more deadly reactions than most. But I am very confident the COVID vaccines have prevented many thousands of deaths for each one that might have been caused by the vaccines.

For sure each person should have the right to make that decision for himself/herself. But honest information serves us much better than propaganda.

 

[boevans]

Maybe 18 to 22 in four years.

 

[luiza]

Sheeple cannot handle the excess Deaths Stats approach and few Normies have the nous to look at it either .

You might check out Ed Dowd who is king of the number crunchers in this area .
His work matches everything and more of all that you quote .

Of course the establishment have tried to ridicule his work but the attempts have been hopeless.

 

[rightwinger]

No connection to COVID vaccines is made

 

[luiza]

I am 100% opposed to vaccine mandates.

Having said that, to use 2019 pre-pandemic figures as the baseline for what is and is not an unusual death is really stretching it.

I suspect you are looking at the CDC figures .
The last group on earth you should ever listen to .
That is how this hoax and Evil depopulation effort obtained Authority for the FDA and Big Pharma .

Sheeple and Normies assume their pronouncements are honest. But they turned evil many decades ago when it became obvious that you can make billions once you can get Sheeple to believe in you and then they do as they are told .

See the likes of Left Pinger , De Crappy and Horsey Horse as excellent examples of Cognitively Rigid Sheeple .Other brands available .

 

[Foxfyre]

I suspect you are looking at the CDC figures .
The last group on earth you should ever listen to .
That is how this hoax and Evil depopulation effort obtained Authority for the FDA and Big Pharma .

Sheeple and Normies assume their pronouncements are honest. But they turned evil many decades ago when it became obvious that you can make billions once you can get Sheeple to believe in you and then they do as they are told .

I'm just responding to the OP. And speaking from my own experience.

I know a LOT of healthcare professionals and not a single one of them believes the Vaccine to be more dangerous than COVID itself.

I have lost three family members and a good friend to COVID and none were vaxxed except for my sister who was already close to terminal with congestive heart failures. I have many other friends and family who were unvaxxed and were hospitalized and experienced severe long lasting effects from COVID. None who were vaxxed and got COVID suffered those long lasting effects and only a very few needed hospitalization at all.

My 98-year-old Aunt with multiple health problems recently tested positive for COVID and did have some symptoms but did not need hospitalization and fairly quickly recovered without any noticeable residual effects. She is vaxxed and fully boosted. Otherwise I suspect she would probably be dead.

And yes many who got COVID recovered from it without consequence but all were younger people.

Nevertheless I can appreciate those who fear the vaccine and those people should not be forced into getting it. I oppose the mandates. And I oppose those who try to scare people who need that vaccine.

 

[jwoodie]

The real question is whether the short term benefits of the vaccines outweigh their long term consequences. We don't know yet, but forcing children and healthy adults who were not at high risk to take the vaccines was a misguided policy.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

If Harris wins the one thing we can look forward to is more medical mandates. Trump is firmly against COVID vaccine mandates. Kamala Harris still requires her staff to have had all available “boosters” in order to be “up to date” in their COVID vaccinations.

How Bill Gates Orchestrated 1 Million U.S. Deaths Without Getting Caught

Since the COVID vaccine roll-out in 2021, over 1 million people have died in the US over and above what would be expected from normal trends, or about 20% more. Using 2019 as a baseline, when there…

coronanews123.wordpress.com

"Since the vaccine roll-out in 2021, over 1 million people have died in the US over and above what would be expected from normal historical trends. Using the 2019 2.85 million all-cause deaths as a baseline, 1,350,000 people died over and above that in 2021, 2022, and 2023. Although 100,000 or so of those can be easily accounted for by the ordinary increase in yearly deaths - about 30,000 to 40,000 per year – due to the Baby Boomer demographic bulge, this still leaves well over a million US deaths long after the COVID vaccine roll-out was supposed to start lowering “excess deaths” and bring out herd immunity to COVID.

The COVID vaccination campaign is the first vaccination campaign in history to result in excess deaths going markedly up, rather than down.

Excess deaths in the US have remained remarkably high, including well over one-half million of them in 2021, by the end of which 60% of the US population had been “vaccinated.”

US All-Cause Deaths

2014  2.63 M
2015  2.71 M
2016  2.74 M
2017  2.81 M
2018  2.84 M
2019  2.85 M
2020  3.39 M     
2021  3.5 M       
2022  3.3 M      
2023  3.1 M

Source: CDC

Thus, depending on to what extent one believes the government’s estimates of deaths due to COVID, a veritable genocide of over a million people in the last 3 years in the US alone is possible. It was none other than 2020 Corona Virus Task Force member Dr. Deborah Birx who said in April 2020 that any death which can be possibly counted as COVID will be counted as COVID. If the government itself is warning us not to believe anything about its numbers, we would do well to heed it.

Strong incentives have been and are still in place to arrive at a diagnosis of COVID. In December 2020, Minnesota lawmakers conducted an audit of 2,800 death certificates with COVID listed as the main cause and concluded that the number was inflated by 40%.

The incentives to count deaths as COVID are also apparent in the virtual disappearance of flu deaths from about 40,000 per season to just under 5,000 in 2021-2022, and another low of 21,000 in 2022-2023 and 17,000 in 2022-2023. It is beyond obvious that many flu deaths are being counted as COVID.

World Vaccine Death Estimates​

In 2023 University of Ottawa Professor Denis Rancourt published a study which estimate that roughly 17 million people around the world have been killed by the COVID vaccines since their release in 2021. Other studies arriving at shocking numbers of dead from the vaccine have been released by Columbia University Prof. Spiro Pantazatos, and a team of scientists publishing in the science journal Toxicology Reports.

Official UK data has suggested that excess deaths around the world have been primarily among the vaccinated. And in May 2024, a world renown pathologist, Professor Dr. Arne Burkhardt MD, made a presentation at the European Parliament which estimated that in 77% of the autopsies he had performed at the request of families of persons who died unexpectedly after the vaccine, the vaccine “had an important effect on the death process.”

Excess Deaths in countries around the world have ranged from none to 38% in 2021 and 2022. For 2021, the year of the vaccine roll-out and vaccine mandates, excess deaths in the US were 17.8%, and 9.8% in 2022.

In the US in the last quarter of 2021, excess deaths were up 40%, mostly among working age people. Life insurance executive Scott Davison, CEO of insurance giant One America, said in January 2022:

“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic…So 40% is just unheard of.”

Firmly linking world excess deaths to the COVID vaccines is world renown pathologist Dr. Arne Burkhardt, a German, who has performed many autopsies on suddenly, mysteriously deceased people, at the request of their families. Other pathologists who have also done so are Dr. Peter Schirmacher, and Dr. Ryan Cole.

GLOBAL EXCESS DEATHS ALL-CAUSES 2020 – 2022. Source: (CLICK HERE FOR IMAGE)
The media and medical establishment have ruthlessly suppressed any negative information about the COVID vaccines, even it it is credible. For starters one need only peruse the compendium “Over 1,000 Peer-Reviewed Medical Papers of COVID Vaccine Injuries.”

Correlation Does Equal Causation After All, Renown Pathology Professor Concludes Many Unusual, Unexplained Deaths Caused by Covid Vaccines, Based on Autopsies​

World renown pathologist Dr. Burkhardt came out of retirement at the request of families who were not satisfied with the official explanations for why their loved ones died soon and unexpectedly after a Covid vaccination. Dr. Arne Burkhardt taught at the Universities of Hamburg, Berne and Tübingen. He published more than 150 scientific articles in international scientific journals, and has audited and certified institutes of pathology."

Pathologist Dr. Arne Burkhardt,Presentation at International Covid Summit at European Parliament May 2023 (view at Rumble) (Presentation slides)

Except the pandemic began and festered on Trump's watch. His inaction and incompetence allowed the virus to gain a foothold and spread here.
What you are postulating here are conspiracy theories. The vaccines have saved millions worldwide.

If you don't want one, don't get one. But stop spreading misinformation.

 

[meaner gene]

Sheeple cannot handle the excess Deaths Stats approach and few Normies have the nous to look at it either .

You might check out Ed Dowd who is king of the number crunchers in this area .
His work matches everything and more of all that you quote .

Of course the establishment have tried to ridicule his work but the attempts have been hopeless.

What he leaves out is that the rollout of the COVID vaccine, was preceded by a near shutdown of the preventive medical system.
Medical screenings nearly came to a halt. So all those diseases that would have gotten screened, and gotten under control early, went undiagnosed and untreated.
By the time COVID came under control, and the medical system switched back to preventive care and early diagnosis, it was too late to stop a plague of deaths from undiagnosed or late diagnosed cancers. Complications from everything from high blood pressure to diabetes.

Blaming it on the COVID vaccine is a complete misdiagnosis.

 

[sparky]

Our gov has been big pharms b*tch for a generation, the C19 debauchery they imparted simply bringing their machinations to the surface here

This is deep state activity , right under your noses, yet you refuse to believe sorts with power and influence RULE you

~S~

 

[22lcidw]

Except the pandemic began and festered on Trump's watch. His inaction and incompetence allowed the virus to gain a foothold and spread here.
What you are postulating here are conspiracy theories. The vaccines have saved millions worldwide.

If you don't want one, don't get one. But stop spreading misinformation.

Oh, the lies. Endless Covid shots needed. The lies. The lies. The lies. Joe was going to end it, day one. And his secret cure for cancer.

 

[meaner gene]

The real question is whether the short term benefits of the vaccines outweigh their long term consequences. We don't know yet, but forcing children and healthy adults who were not at high risk to take the vaccines was a misguided policy.

Except every prediction of the after effects from the mRNA vaccines have been proven false. Women didn't become sterile, birthrates didn't decline.

 

[munkle]

I'm just responding to the OP. And speaking from my own experience.

I know a LOT of healthcare professionals and not a single one of them believes the Vaccine to be more dangerous than COVID itself.

I have lost three family members and a good friend to COVID and none were vaxxed except for my sister who was already close to terminal with congestive heart failures. I have many other friends and family who were unvaxxed and were hospitalized and experienced severe long lasting effects from COVID. None who were vaxxed and got COVID suffered those long lasting effects and only a very few needed hospitalization at all.

My 98-year-old Aunt with multiple health problems recently tested positive for COVID and did have some symptoms but did not need hospitalization and fairly quickly recovered without any noticeable residual effects. She is vaxxed and fully boosted. Otherwise I suspect she would probably be dead.

And yes many who got COVID recovered from it without consequence but all were younger people.

Nevertheless I can appreciate those who fear the vaccine and those people should not be forced into getting it. I oppose the mandates. And I oppose those who try to scare people who need that vaccine.

I know many medical professionals who refused the vaccine and thought it was much more dangerous than COVID, which has an overall 99.8% recovery rate similar to flu.

Why would lie and base cases on the PCR which is fundamentally flawed and comes up with 90% false positives?

Why would they lie and tell you life-saving Ivermectin is only horse medicine? There are too many lies.

What should tell you even more is that the following website on all the studies about Ivermectin and COVID does not come up in the google search engine, only the Yandex search engne. They are suppressing the information.

Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of 271 studies

Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of 271 studies

c19ivm.org

New York Times, “Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be,” August 29 2020 (Excerpt)

By Apoorva Mandavilli

“Some of the nation’s leading public health experts are raising a new concern in the endless debate over coronavirus testing in the United States: The standard tests are diagnosing huge numbers of people who may be carrying relatively insignificant amounts of the virus.

Most of these people are not likely to be contagious, and identifying them may contribute to bottlenecks that prevent those who are contagious from being found in time. But researchers say the solution is not to test less, or to skip testing people without symptoms, as recently suggested by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Instead, new data underscore the need for more widespread use of rapid tests, even if they are less sensitive.

“The decision not to test asymptomatic people is just really backward,” said Dr. Michael Mina, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, referring to the C.D.C. recommendation.

“In fact, we should be ramping up testing of all different people,” he said, “but we have to do it through whole different mechanisms.”

In what may be a step in this direction, the Trump administration announced on Thursday that it would purchase 150 million rapid tests.

The most widely used diagnostic test for the new coronavirus, called a PCR test, provides a simple yes-no answer to the question of whether a patient is infected.

But similar PCR tests for other viruses do offer some sense of how contagious an infected patient may be: The results may include a rough estimate of the amount of virus in the patient’s body.

“We’ve been using one type of data for everything, and that is just plus or minus — that’s all,” Dr. Mina said. “We’re using that for clinical diagnostics, for public health, for policy decision-making.”

But yes-no isn’t good enough, he added. It’s the amount of virus that should dictate the infected patient’s next steps. “It’s really irresponsible, I think, to forgo the recognition that this is a quantitative issue,” Dr. Mina said.

The PCR test amplifies genetic matter from the virus in cycles; the fewer cycles required, the greater the amount of virus, or viral load, in the sample. The greater the viral load, the more likely the patient is to be contagious.

This number of amplification cycles needed to find the virus, called the cycle threshold, is never included in the results sent to doctors and coronavirus patients, although it could tell them how infectious the patients are.

In three sets of testing data that include cycle thresholds, compiled by officials in Massachusetts, New York and Nevada, up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus, a review by The Times found.

On Thursday, the United States recorded 45,604 new coronavirus cases, according to a database maintained by The Times. If the rates of contagiousness in Massachusetts and New York were to apply nationwide, then perhaps only 4,500 of those people may actually need to isolate and submit to contact tracing.


One solution would be to adjust the cycle threshold used now to decide that a patient is infected. Most tests set the limit at 40, a few at 37. This means that you are positive for the coronavirus if the test process required up to 40 cycles, or 37, to detect the virus.

Tests with thresholds so high may detect not just live virus but also genetic fragments, leftovers from infection that pose no particular risk — akin to finding a hair in a room long after a person has left, Dr. Mina said.

Any test with a cycle threshold above 35 is too sensitive, agreed Juliet Morrison, a virologist at the University of California, Riverside. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 could represent a positive,” she said.

A more reasonable cutoff would be 30 to 35, she added. Dr. Mina said he would set the figure at 30, or even less. Those changes would mean the amount of genetic material in a patient’s sample would have to be 100-fold to 1,000-fold that of the current standard for the test to return a positive result — at least, one worth acting on.


“It’s just kind of mind-blowing to me that people are not recording the C.T. values from all these tests, that they’re just returning a positive or a negative,” one virologist said.Credit…Erin Schaff/The New York Times

The Food and Drug Administration said in an emailed statement that it does not specify the cycle threshold ranges used to determine who is positive, and that “commercial manufacturers and laboratories set their own.”

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it is examining the use of cycle threshold measures “for policy decisions.” The agency said it would need to collaborate with the F.D.A. and with device manufacturers to ensure the measures “can be used properly and with assurance that we know what they mean.”

The C.D.C.’s own calculations suggest that it is extremely difficult to detect any live virus in a sample above a threshold of 33 cycles. Officials at some state labs said the C.D.C. had not asked them to note threshold values or to share them with contact-tracing organizations.

For example, North Carolina’s state lab uses the Thermo Fisher coronavirus test, which automatically classifies results based on a cutoff of 37 cycles. A spokeswoman for the lab said testers did not have access to the precise numbers.

This amounts to an enormous missed opportunity to learn more about the disease, some experts said.

“It’s just kind of mind-blowing to me that people are not recording the C.T. values from all these tests — that they’re just returning a positive or a negative,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York.

“It would be useful information to know if somebody’s positive, whether they have a high viral load or a low viral load,” she added.

Officials at the Wadsworth Center, New York’s state lab, have access to C.T. values from tests they have processed, and analyzed their numbers at The Times’s request. In July, the lab identified 872 positive tests, based on a threshold of 40 cycles.

With a cutoff of 35, about 43 percent of those tests would no longer qualify as positive. About 63 percent would no longer be judged positive if the cycles were limited to 30.

In Massachusetts, from 85 to 90 percent of people who tested positive in July with a cycle threshold of 40 would have been deemed negative if the threshold were 30 cycles, Dr. Mina said. “I would say that none of those people should be contact-traced, not one,” he said.

Other experts informed of these numbers were stunned.

“I’m really shocked that it could be that high — the proportion of people with high C.T. value results,” said Dr. Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute. “Boy, does it really change the way we need to be thinking about testing.”

Dr. Jha said he had thought of the PCR test as a problem because it cannot scale to the volume, frequency or speed of tests needed. “But what I am realizing is that a really substantial part of the problem is that we’re not even testing the people who we need to be testing,” he said.

The number of people with positive results who aren’t infectious is particularly concerning, said Scott Becker, executive director of the Association of Public Health Laboratories. “That worries me a lot, just because it’s so high,” he said, adding that the organization intended to meet with Dr. Mina to discuss the issue…. "

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Oh, the lies. Endless Covid shots needed. The lies. The lies. The lies. Joe was going to end it, day one. And his secret cure for cancer.

Oh please, get the car back on the road, bud. And pull your head out of your savior's ass.
At least Biden showed an initiative in responding to the pandemic and being interested in actually doing the job of being President.

 

[meaner gene]

Why would they lie and tell you life-saving Ivermectin is only horse medicine? There are too many lies.

Ivermectin is not an effective treatment of COVID. That's been proven by blind peer reviewed studies.

 

[luiza]

Ivermectin is not an effective treatment of COVID.

Absolutely . And two plus two is eleven .
Any more garbage ?

 

[sparky]

Ivermectin is not an effective treatment of COVID. That's been proven by blind peer reviewed studies.

Ivermectin won a nobel prize mean gene

the thing is, it's a cheap prophylactic

which big pharma would have made diddly on

~S~

 

[Tyrion234]

Except the pandemic began and festered on Trump's watch. His inaction and incompetence allowed the virus to gain a foothold and spread here.
What you are postulating here are conspiracy theories. The vaccines have saved millions worldwide.

If you don't want one, don't get one. But stop spreading misinformation.

Remember how Trump was a nazi for banning foreign travel from China into our country. No of course you don’t remember that then you’d have to actually admit you’re a dumb fuck parrot with zero ability to think for yourself. I mean we all know it anyways but you keep doing you