Second amendment, should felons be allowed to own guns?

[Jitss617]

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

I specifically mentioned citizens. Haitians and latinoes who have become citizens have to have a test to vote? But white Americans don't? I've know too many white Americans who are dumb as dirt.

And women? YOu want to take away their vote even though they pay taxes.

An honorable discharge or some sort of approved volunteer work for 3 years. Sounds like a good way to earn your vote.

If you poll 10 hatians if they like America and 9 out of ten says they want to burn it down then yes we have a issue. And that’s what I’m hearing in the community. What should we do if these refugees are saying these things??

Are they citizens? No. So your point is moot.

how many refugees can this country take that hate America can you give me a number?

I have no idea. But since we are talking about who can vote, it doesn't matter. That is a completely different topic.

Lol answer the question tough guy

It is a stupid question that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic we are discussing. Answer it yourself. But since they are not citizens, they cannot vote anyway.

We’re having a discussion and debate about voting in America. I live in a city where a large population of refugees and they openly say they hate America.. So I’m asking you how many refugees like this can America take since you want them to vote.. WE CAN AMEND ANYTHING THAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Now, point out where I said I want refugees to vote or admit it is a lie. Come on, man up and show a little integrity for a change.

You didn’t deny it until now lol so congrats.. I guess I cornered you in there

Didn't deny it? That is ignorant. You haven't denied wanting to murder prostitutes either. But that doesn't mean I accuse you of being the actual BTK killer.

YOu flat out said that I was in favor of refugees voting. And yet, you cannot provide one single post of me saying anything even resembling that. So, you lied. It is pure and simple. You fabricated that claim. I have said numerous times that the people who can vote must be citizens. In this thread alone I probably used the word "citizen" 4 or 5 times when discussing who has a right to vote. That is enough denial of anyone else, who is not a citizen, being able to vote.

I find it amusing that you lack the basic integrity to admit when you are caught lying.

Refugees very quickly get the right to vote.. or they have kids here and they vote, they hate America! Our traditions our history our culture.. I’m telling you right now I am in the epic center of it it Has to stop 30 years ago

And this test you want them to take, how will that change anything?

Will it ask "Do you love the USA?" If someone hates the US, and they want to vote, don't you think they can manage to pass a silly test?

And if they tell you they hate America, but pass the test, you will report them? Your word against theirs? Will political parties start snitching to cost their opponents votes?

There will be no poll tax. There will be no test for immigrants only. Women will not lose their vote.

It worked before

 

[WinterBorn]

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

I specifically mentioned citizens. Haitians and latinoes who have become citizens have to have a test to vote? But white Americans don't? I've know too many white Americans who are dumb as dirt.

And women? YOu want to take away their vote even though they pay taxes.

An honorable discharge or some sort of approved volunteer work for 3 years. Sounds like a good way to earn your vote.

If you poll 10 hatians if they like America and 9 out of ten says they want to burn it down then yes we have a issue. And that’s what I’m hearing in the community. What should we do if these refugees are saying these things??

Are they citizens? No. So your point is moot.

how many refugees can this country take that hate America can you give me a number?

I have no idea. But since we are talking about who can vote, it doesn't matter. That is a completely different topic.

Lol answer the question tough guy

It is a stupid question that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic we are discussing. Answer it yourself. But since they are not citizens, they cannot vote anyway.

We’re having a discussion and debate about voting in America. I live in a city where a large population of refugees and they openly say they hate America.. So I’m asking you how many refugees like this can America take since you want them to vote.. WE CAN AMEND ANYTHING THAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Now, point out where I said I want refugees to vote or admit it is a lie. Come on, man up and show a little integrity for a change.

You didn’t deny it until now lol so congrats.. I guess I cornered you in there

Didn't deny it? That is ignorant. You haven't denied wanting to murder prostitutes either. But that doesn't mean I accuse you of being the actual BTK killer.

YOu flat out said that I was in favor of refugees voting. And yet, you cannot provide one single post of me saying anything even resembling that. So, you lied. It is pure and simple. You fabricated that claim. I have said numerous times that the people who can vote must be citizens. In this thread alone I probably used the word "citizen" 4 or 5 times when discussing who has a right to vote. That is enough denial of anyone else, who is not a citizen, being able to vote.

I find it amusing that you lack the basic integrity to admit when you are caught lying.

Refugees very quickly get the right to vote.. or they have kids here and they vote, they hate America! Our traditions our history our culture.. I’m telling you right now I am in the epic center of it it Has to stop 30 years ago

And this test you want them to take, how will that change anything?

Will it ask "Do you love the USA?" If someone hates the US, and they want to vote, don't you think they can manage to pass a silly test?

And if they tell you they hate America, but pass the test, you will report them? Your word against theirs? Will political parties start snitching to cost their opponents votes?

There will be no poll tax. There will be no test for immigrants only. Women will not lose their vote.

It worked before

Obviously it didn't, or there would have been no constitutional amendments to change it.

Do you own enough property to be able to vote according to the original requirements?

Also, why not just have an amendment that says "Any vote cast that is counter to what Jitss617 wants will be considered null & void"? That is what you are actually trying to do.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Refugees very quickly get the right to vote.. or they have kids here and they vote, they hate America! Our traditions our history our culture.. I’m telling you right now I am in the epic center of it it Has to stop 30 years ago

So, is this thread about you never getting to own a gun again or about women staying home and not letting refugees vote?

 

[Jitss617]

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

I specifically mentioned citizens. Haitians and latinoes who have become citizens have to have a test to vote? But white Americans don't? I've know too many white Americans who are dumb as dirt.

And women? YOu want to take away their vote even though they pay taxes.

An honorable discharge or some sort of approved volunteer work for 3 years. Sounds like a good way to earn your vote.

If you poll 10 hatians if they like America and 9 out of ten says they want to burn it down then yes we have a issue. And that’s what I’m hearing in the community. What should we do if these refugees are saying these things??

Are they citizens? No. So your point is moot.

how many refugees can this country take that hate America can you give me a number?

I have no idea. But since we are talking about who can vote, it doesn't matter. That is a completely different topic.

Lol answer the question tough guy

It is a stupid question that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic we are discussing. Answer it yourself. But since they are not citizens, they cannot vote anyway.

We’re having a discussion and debate about voting in America. I live in a city where a large population of refugees and they openly say they hate America.. So I’m asking you how many refugees like this can America take since you want them to vote.. WE CAN AMEND ANYTHING THAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Now, point out where I said I want refugees to vote or admit it is a lie. Come on, man up and show a little integrity for a change.

You didn’t deny it until now lol so congrats.. I guess I cornered you in there

Didn't deny it? That is ignorant. You haven't denied wanting to murder prostitutes either. But that doesn't mean I accuse you of being the actual BTK killer.

YOu flat out said that I was in favor of refugees voting. And yet, you cannot provide one single post of me saying anything even resembling that. So, you lied. It is pure and simple. You fabricated that claim. I have said numerous times that the people who can vote must be citizens. In this thread alone I probably used the word "citizen" 4 or 5 times when discussing who has a right to vote. That is enough denial of anyone else, who is not a citizen, being able to vote.

I find it amusing that you lack the basic integrity to admit when you are caught lying.

Refugees very quickly get the right to vote.. or they have kids here and they vote, they hate America! Our traditions our history our culture.. I’m telling you right now I am in the epic center of it it Has to stop 30 years ago

And this test you want them to take, how will that change anything?

Will it ask "Do you love the USA?" If someone hates the US, and they want to vote, don't you think they can manage to pass a silly test?

And if they tell you they hate America, but pass the test, you will report them? Your word against theirs? Will political parties start snitching to cost their opponents votes?

There will be no poll tax. There will be no test for immigrants only. Women will not lose their vote.

It worked before

Obviously it didn't, or there would have been no constitutional amendments to change it.

Do you own enough property to be able to vote according to the original requirements?

Also, why not just have an amendment that says "Any vote cast that is counter to what Jitss617 wants will be considered null & void"? That is what you are actually trying to do.

I was in Atlanta two months ago and showed mercy

 

[Jitss617]

Refugees very quickly get the right to vote.. or they have kids here and they vote, they hate America! Our traditions our history our culture.. I’m telling you right now I am in the epic center of it it Has to stop 30 years ago

So, is this thread about you never getting to own a gun again or about women staying home and not letting refugees vote?

Winter took it off track! So let’s get back on!

I think I’m going to take on the law! And get it sent to the Supreme court and see what they say

 

[Porter Rockwell]

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

I specifically mentioned citizens. Haitians and latinoes who have become citizens have to have a test to vote? But white Americans don't? I've know too many white Americans who are dumb as dirt.

And women? YOu want to take away their vote even though they pay taxes.

An honorable discharge or some sort of approved volunteer work for 3 years. Sounds like a good way to earn your vote.

If you poll 10 hatians if they like America and 9 out of ten says they want to burn it down then yes we have a issue. And that’s what I’m hearing in the community. What should we do if these refugees are saying these things??

Are they citizens? No. So your point is moot.

how many refugees can this country take that hate America can you give me a number?

I have no idea. But since we are talking about who can vote, it doesn't matter. That is a completely different topic.

Lol answer the question tough guy

It is a stupid question that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic we are discussing. Answer it yourself. But since they are not citizens, they cannot vote anyway.

We’re having a discussion and debate about voting in America. I live in a city where a large population of refugees and they openly say they hate America.. So I’m asking you how many refugees like this can America take since you want them to vote.. WE CAN AMEND ANYTHING THAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

And yes, we CAN amend the US Constitution. But it is not easily done. Nor should it be. The US Constitution is the basis and bedrock of our great nation. Changing it requires more than just a majority in a local vote.

We need to fix america AMEND alllll DAY long, talk to smart woman ( that love america) many will say woman shouldn't vote, they vote of emotion. they cant soley fight on the front line, and can get men hurt if they were, many in reality pay no taxes because they should be home engineering a family, this lala land dems have created is ridiculous, the oes with the biggest mouth live in urban areas with lots of cops so other woman cant confront them for the conflict they cause.

todays immigration has destroyed american urban areas, the refugess we let in.. NEEDS to be changed 30 years ago.

if you were for the constitution you would be in urban areas protesting the lack of privacy, the police state, no second amendment rights. kids getting gunned down arent getting justice, they are getting lynched. so take your fake outrage and shove it up your ass

I'd like to interject for a moment. This is not intended to take sides, but rather to understand your point and to put things in their proper context.

First off, who should get to vote? Early in this country's history only free white landowners were allowed the privilege of voting. The reason was, only whites could become citizens AND the people who founded our Republic believed that if you were a taxpaying landowner you had some skin in the game (something to lose) and, consequently, as heads of the house and having something to lose, they should be the ones who had a privilege to vote. This probably makes sense, even in today's world, if widows who continued to work the land after their husband's death could cast their late husband's vote.

Why should people who do not own land or businesses be able to reach into the pockets of landowners and business to tell them how to spend the money they earned? Why should an apartment dweller be able to reach into the hands of a homeowner and have the homeowner held responsible for educating the apartment dweller's children? So, how do you feel about that kind of America?

I have to disagree with what you say relative to immigration. Then, again, that's because we tend to misuse the word. Immigration is defined in legal dictionaries as people coming here for permanent residence. That automatically implies that anyone who washes up on our shores to participate in the free market should become a citizen. And, so, in order to quell the type of people who became MAGA supporters, the government offered seven amnesty periods from the mid 1980s to about 2001. The right bitched about so - called "illegal immigration" (a misnomer at best) and the politicians simply gave citizenship to undocumented foreigners. Problem solved. You got to be careful what you wish for.

If not for the right, we would not have the POLICE STATE and the lack of privacy. Believe it or not, the Democrats (the ones who run the show) want the swill that Donald Trump is selling. The Democrats proposed it first! They put up token opposition to it only because if the Ds pretend to be against something, the Rs are almost obligated to support the idea. The whole issue is so convoluted that neither side wants to revisit history and find out how they are being played by outside forces. So, now putting that into perspective, how does that make you feel?

 

[WinterBorn]

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

I specifically mentioned citizens. Haitians and latinoes who have become citizens have to have a test to vote? But white Americans don't? I've know too many white Americans who are dumb as dirt.

And women? YOu want to take away their vote even though they pay taxes.

An honorable discharge or some sort of approved volunteer work for 3 years. Sounds like a good way to earn your vote.

If you poll 10 hatians if they like America and 9 out of ten says they want to burn it down then yes we have a issue. And that’s what I’m hearing in the community. What should we do if these refugees are saying these things??

Are they citizens? No. So your point is moot.

how many refugees can this country take that hate America can you give me a number?

I have no idea. But since we are talking about who can vote, it doesn't matter. That is a completely different topic.

Lol answer the question tough guy

It is a stupid question that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic we are discussing. Answer it yourself. But since they are not citizens, they cannot vote anyway.

We’re having a discussion and debate about voting in America. I live in a city where a large population of refugees and they openly say they hate America.. So I’m asking you how many refugees like this can America take since you want them to vote.. WE CAN AMEND ANYTHING THAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Now, point out where I said I want refugees to vote or admit it is a lie. Come on, man up and show a little integrity for a change.

You didn’t deny it until now lol so congrats.. I guess I cornered you in there

Didn't deny it? That is ignorant. You haven't denied wanting to murder prostitutes either. But that doesn't mean I accuse you of being the actual BTK killer.

YOu flat out said that I was in favor of refugees voting. And yet, you cannot provide one single post of me saying anything even resembling that. So, you lied. It is pure and simple. You fabricated that claim. I have said numerous times that the people who can vote must be citizens. In this thread alone I probably used the word "citizen" 4 or 5 times when discussing who has a right to vote. That is enough denial of anyone else, who is not a citizen, being able to vote.

I find it amusing that you lack the basic integrity to admit when you are caught lying.

Refugees very quickly get the right to vote.. or they have kids here and they vote, they hate America! Our traditions our history our culture.. I’m telling you right now I am in the epic center of it it Has to stop 30 years ago

And this test you want them to take, how will that change anything?

Will it ask "Do you love the USA?" If someone hates the US, and they want to vote, don't you think they can manage to pass a silly test?

And if they tell you they hate America, but pass the test, you will report them? Your word against theirs? Will political parties start snitching to cost their opponents votes?

There will be no poll tax. There will be no test for immigrants only. Women will not lose their vote.

It worked before

Obviously it didn't, or there would have been no constitutional amendments to change it.

Do you own enough property to be able to vote according to the original requirements?

Also, why not just have an amendment that says "Any vote cast that is counter to what Jitss617 wants will be considered null & void"? That is what you are actually trying to do.

I was in Atlanta two months ago and showed mercy

LMAO!! You mean you hid while you were in town?

 

[WinterBorn]

Refugees very quickly get the right to vote.. or they have kids here and they vote, they hate America! Our traditions our history our culture.. I’m telling you right now I am in the epic center of it it Has to stop 30 years ago

So, is this thread about you never getting to own a gun again or about women staying home and not letting refugees vote?

Winter took it off track! So let’s get back on!

I think I’m going to take on the law! And get it sent to the Supreme court and see what they say

LMAO!! I was trying to keep you on topic. But you kept trying to derail your own thread.

By all means, take on the law. I'm urious to see if the Supreme Court decides to hear it.

 

[Jitss617]

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

I specifically mentioned citizens. Haitians and latinoes who have become citizens have to have a test to vote? But white Americans don't? I've know too many white Americans who are dumb as dirt.

And women? YOu want to take away their vote even though they pay taxes.

An honorable discharge or some sort of approved volunteer work for 3 years. Sounds like a good way to earn your vote.

If you poll 10 hatians if they like America and 9 out of ten says they want to burn it down then yes we have a issue. And that’s what I’m hearing in the community. What should we do if these refugees are saying these things??

Are they citizens? No. So your point is moot.

how many refugees can this country take that hate America can you give me a number?

I have no idea. But since we are talking about who can vote, it doesn't matter. That is a completely different topic.

Lol answer the question tough guy

It is a stupid question that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic we are discussing. Answer it yourself. But since they are not citizens, they cannot vote anyway.

We’re having a discussion and debate about voting in America. I live in a city where a large population of refugees and they openly say they hate America.. So I’m asking you how many refugees like this can America take since you want them to vote.. WE CAN AMEND ANYTHING THAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

And yes, we CAN amend the US Constitution. But it is not easily done. Nor should it be. The US Constitution is the basis and bedrock of our great nation. Changing it requires more than just a majority in a local vote.

We need to fix america AMEND alllll DAY long, talk to smart woman ( that love america) many will say woman shouldn't vote, they vote of emotion. they cant soley fight on the front line, and can get men hurt if they were, many in reality pay no taxes because they should be home engineering a family, this lala land dems have created is ridiculous, the oes with the biggest mouth live in urban areas with lots of cops so other woman cant confront them for the conflict they cause.

todays immigration has destroyed american urban areas, the refugess we let in.. NEEDS to be changed 30 years ago.

if you were for the constitution you would be in urban areas protesting the lack of privacy, the police state, no second amendment rights. kids getting gunned down arent getting justice, they are getting lynched. so take your fake outrage and shove it up your ass

I'd like to interject for a moment. This is not intended to take sides, but rather to understand your point and to put things in their proper context.

First off, who should get to vote? Early in this country's history only free white landowners were allowed the privilege of voting. The reason was, only whites could become citizens AND the people who founded our Republic believed that if you were a taxpaying landowner you had some skin in the game (something to lose) and, consequently, as heads of the house and having something to lose, they should be the ones who had a privilege to vote. This probably makes sense, even in today's world, if widows who continued to work the land after their husband's death could cast their late husband's vote.

Why should people who do not own land or businesses be able to reach into the pockets of landowners and business to tell them how to spend the money they earned? Why should an apartment dweller be able to reach into the hands of a homeowner and have the homeowner held responsible for educating the apartment dweller's children? So, how do you feel about that kind of America?

I have to disagree with what you say relative to immigration. Then, again, that's because we tend to misuse the word. Immigration is defined in legal dictionaries as people coming here for permanent residence. That automatically implies that anyone who washes up on our shores to participate in the free market should become a citizen. And, so, in order to quell the type of people who became MAGA supporters, the government offered seven amnesty periods from the mid 1980s to about 2001. The right bitched about so - called "illegal immigration" (a misnomer at best) and the politicians simply gave citizenship to undocumented foreigners. Problem solved. You got to be careful what you wish for.

If not for the right, we would not have the POLICE STATE and the lack of privacy. Believe it or not, the Democrats (the ones who run the show) want the swill that Donald Trump is selling. The Democrats proposed it first! They put up token opposition to it only because if the Ds pretend to be against something, the Rs are almost obligated to support the idea. The whole issue is so convoluted that neither side wants to revisit history and find out how they are being played by outside forces. So, now putting that into perspective, how does that make you feel?

Many black people voted, many non land owners voted, some had Privileges given to them, poll taxes etc... so no need to start with fake news, I’m
In a urban city and saw wht todays immigration has done and have talked about it many times. Education, jobs, I’ll give you an example if I was a drunk in 1890-1950, just pre Latinos, I could grab a job as a dishwasher somewhere, get my shit together rejoin society,, today the wages and other factors keep the down and out on the streets.. I see thousands of meth heads walking the streets, with out the options of taking these jobs to sober up, immigration has destroyed our urban areas. I can get into sitting in classrooms not with just different languages but a culture that has no interest in learning our culture and assimilating...

We need to take care of Americans, period

 

[Canon Shooter]

Many black people voted, many non land owners voted, some had Privileges given to them, poll taxes etc... so no need to start with fake news, I’m
In a urban city and saw wht todays immigration has done and have talked about it many times. Education, jobs, I’ll give you an example if I was a drunk in 1890-1950, just pre Latinos, I could grab a job as a dishwasher somewhere, get my shit together rejoin society,, today the wages and other factors keep the down and out on the streets.. I see thousands of meth heads walking the streets, with out the options of taking these jobs to sober up, immigration has destroyed our urban areas. I can get into sitting in classrooms not with just different languages but a culture that has no interest in learning our culture and assimilating...

We need to take care of Americans, period

All of that has exactly nothing to do with your own thread...

 

[Syriusly]

Fuck the felons and their constitutional rights.

It’s not that hard to get through life without committing a major crime.

If you can’t conduct yourself in a civilized manner, then you deserve nothing.

If you have never done something in your life that the government would have you imprisoned or executed for, then odds are, you are a statist pussy, IMO.

Obedience to the Man is not a virtue.

So tell us more about the crimes you have committed.

I've never raped anyone, or harmed a child or an animal. Anything else, you can refer your questions to my lawyer...... (but yeah, I probably did it.)

Wow- so murder.....arson.....treason.....

 

[Syriusly]

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

I specifically mentioned citizens. Haitians and latinoes who have become citizens have to have a test to vote? But white Americans don't? I've know too many white Americans who are dumb as dirt.

And women? YOu want to take away their vote even though they pay taxes.

An honorable discharge or some sort of approved volunteer work for 3 years. Sounds like a good way to earn your vote.

If you poll 10 hatians if they like America and 9 out of ten says they want to burn it down then yes we have a issue. And that’s what I’m hearing in the community. What should we do if these refugees are saying these things??

Does anyone believe that Jitler actually talks with any Haitians or anyone else with a shade of skin darker than Conan O'Brian?

I went to inner city schools and grew up.. it sucks, they destroyed many urban areas

I do believe you may have gone to inner city schools.......grew up? No sign of that from this thread.

Just a reminder- you are hear whining about your 'rights' being denied- while you openly advocate denying the Constitutional rights of most Americans.

You really are a Trump supporter- I doubt you have ever voted.

I’m debating wether people who hate America, people that pay no taxes, ppl that can’t serve on the front lines, should have a say who the next president is

No- you are advocating for the denial of the Constitutional rights of Americans based upon their gender, skin color and income.

Here you are whining about how terrible it is that your 2nd Amendment rights are 'trampled upon'- while you are here advocating for the denial of American's rights under the 14th Amendment and the 19th Amendment.

These were the laws of the land for many years I say we return to what works

Felons have been banned from owning guns for many years- I guess we should stick with what works.

 

[Syriusly]

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

'women shouldn't be allowed to vote'

You really do hate the Constitution don't you?

Every time you spout the 2nd Amendment, I am going to remind everyone that you want your Constitutional rights- but you want to deny them to the majority of Americans.

Woman didn’t think woman should vote, many conservative woman believe the same thing. Strip it away! And now

Try to get the votes for an amendment. Between them women and the men who respect them, that amendment would go down in flames. In fact, I'll bet you can't find anyone who will put forth the amendment.

I will,, it’s in my movement in Boston , course of action phase 5

I believe action phase 5 is where Jitler pouts in his basement.

 

[Jitss617]

Many black people voted, many non land owners voted, some had Privileges given to them, poll taxes etc... so no need to start with fake news, I’m
In a urban city and saw wht todays immigration has done and have talked about it many times. Education, jobs, I’ll give you an example if I was a drunk in 1890-1950, just pre Latinos, I could grab a job as a dishwasher somewhere, get my shit together rejoin society,, today the wages and other factors keep the down and out on the streets.. I see thousands of meth heads walking the streets, with out the options of taking these jobs to sober up, immigration has destroyed our urban areas. I can get into sitting in classrooms not with just different languages but a culture that has no interest in learning our culture and assimilating...

We need to take care of Americans, period

All of that has exactly nothing to do with your own thread...

I’m responding to some one

 

[Jitss617]

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

'women shouldn't be allowed to vote'

You really do hate the Constitution don't you?

Every time you spout the 2nd Amendment, I am going to remind everyone that you want your Constitutional rights- but you want to deny them to the majority of Americans.

Woman didn’t think woman should vote, many conservative woman believe the same thing. Strip it away! And now

Try to get the votes for an amendment. Between them women and the men who respect them, that amendment would go down in flames. In fact, I'll bet you can't find anyone who will put forth the amendment.

I will,, it’s in my movement in Boston , course of action phase 5

I believe action phase 5 is where Jitler pouts in his basement.

Donate some patriot dollars

 

[Canon Shooter]

Many black people voted, many non land owners voted, some had Privileges given to them, poll taxes etc... so no need to start with fake news, I’m
In a urban city and saw wht todays immigration has done and have talked about it many times. Education, jobs, I’ll give you an example if I was a drunk in 1890-1950, just pre Latinos, I could grab a job as a dishwasher somewhere, get my shit together rejoin society,, today the wages and other factors keep the down and out on the streets.. I see thousands of meth heads walking the streets, with out the options of taking these jobs to sober up, immigration has destroyed our urban areas. I can get into sitting in classrooms not with just different languages but a culture that has no interest in learning our culture and assimilating...

We need to take care of Americans, period

All of that has exactly nothing to do with your own thread...

I’m responding to some one

All that does is demonstrate that you lack the requisite self-control to stay on topic.

Lack of self control... seems to be a recurring theme with you...

 

[Jitss617]

Many black people voted, many non land owners voted, some had Privileges given to them, poll taxes etc... so no need to start with fake news, I’m
In a urban city and saw wht todays immigration has done and have talked about it many times. Education, jobs, I’ll give you an example if I was a drunk in 1890-1950, just pre Latinos, I could grab a job as a dishwasher somewhere, get my shit together rejoin society,, today the wages and other factors keep the down and out on the streets.. I see thousands of meth heads walking the streets, with out the options of taking these jobs to sober up, immigration has destroyed our urban areas. I can get into sitting in classrooms not with just different languages but a culture that has no interest in learning our culture and assimilating...

We need to take care of Americans, period

All of that has exactly nothing to do with your own thread...

I’m responding to some one

All that does is demonstrate that you lack the requisite self-control to stay on topic.

Lack of self control... seems to be a recurring theme with you...

I’m
Like a wild cowboy renegade, kicking ass a taking names

 

[Syriusly]

I think I made it pretty clear that it was about doing a crime with a weapon.

Am I okay with reasonable gun restrictions? Yep- I don't have any problem with that. Do I also believe that Americans have a right to own a gun? Yes.
Am I okay with lifetime restrictions for gun use in a crime? Yes I am.

You really do hate the Constitution don't you?

Those two posts seem at odds with each other. Although Jitss617's contempt for the Constitution seems greater than yours, you're willing to toss it yourself for your own reasons... There's not that much room between the two of you - both authoritarians who are willing to toss the Constitution when it comes to their own pet peeves. Jitss617 just has more pet peeves than you do.

Do you think inmates should be allowed to have guns in prison? Do you think that someone on trial for a felony should be allowed to carry a gun in the court room during the trial?

In the United States, rights can be taken away through the process of law, and narrow exceptions are allowed. I see no connection with denying someone guilty of mail fraud who has served his time with denying him the right to own a gun. But I absolutely see a connection to denying someone who has been guilty of a crime associated with a weapon the right to own a gun.

And as far as Constitutionality- the Supreme Court agrees with me- and if you don't agree with the Supreme Court- well thats fine- but their opinion legally matters- and yours is just your opinion.

…[N]othing in our opinion(s) should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

Your quote says it all... Nothing in their "opinion(s)". The opinions of the Supreme Court are seldom unanimous proving that they are just opinions. One vote, one way or another, and their opinion goes another way. Even so, they explicitly excluded those other restrictions from their opinion because those issues were not before them.

There are really not many, but enough, cases where the Supreme Court has reversed itself. As I stated elsewhere, did the constitutionality of a thing change when they reversed themselves? Did the Constitution, itself, change? No; the "opinion" of the Court changed. They do not determine the constitutionality of a thing; they rule on the case before them and, in support of the case before them, they give opinions on the constitutionality of the key questions that got the case before them in the first place.

For the first 145 years of our country, Congress never considered that they had the power to pass a gun law. It was unconstitutional and they knew it. The left took advantage of the gang environment created by prohibition to act on their (the left's - as in Democrats) racism to pass the National Firearms Act, intended to keep powerful firearms out of the hands of black people but not out of richer whites.

For 149 years, there was no ban on felons owning guns - Congress knew it was unconstitutional. Felons got out of prison and their guns were waiting at home where they were supposed to be.

Only after 149 years, with the passage of the Federal Firearms Act in 1938, did Congress get the idea they could ban violent criminals from having firearms. It took another 30 years, until 1968, before the government thought they could get away with banning ALL felons from having firearms.

It was never constitutional, and the government always knew it wasn't constitutional.

Since I don't know you, I can't guess your political leanings and offer cases that you might consider unconstitutional regardless of what the Court says but I'll bet you know of decisions by the Court where you believe they incorrectly interpreted the Constitution. Share a few, would you please?

Let me address your last point first.
Certainly I think that the Court was wrong in many decisions- most notoriously Dredd Scott(though Jitler would probably agree with that court decision)- and much more recently Citizens United.
However, regardless of whether I agree or not- it is the decision of the Supreme Court which determines what is Constitutional or not. I have my opinion, you have your opinion- history will have an opinion- but in the end only two opinions matter- the legal opinions of the majority of the Supreme Court Justices- or the opinions of the majority of Americans expressed through the Amendment process.

As far as the rest of your argument- thanks for the history run down- whether or not Congress in 1880 considered prohibiting felons from owning firearms again to be unconstitutional is really pretty irrelevant- since Congress did eventually pass the bill, and the Supreme Court has upheld it. You may consider this to be a guns rights issue- but I consider this to be a ex-felons rights issue- in that I consider it in light with their re-enfranchisement.

Remember- it is the right- the Republicans- who are actively trying to thwart the will of voters in Florida- who voted to re-enfranchise felons who have served their time. But the Republicans who control the State legislature have multiple times tried to prevent that from happening and even are contemplating changing the State's initiative law so voters can't do that again. So this is not just a right or a left issue. Oh but it gets better- Republicans in Florida have tried to change the law to make it easier for felons to own guns- but harder for them to vote. How is that for consistency?

I happen to agree with the Supreme Court that individual rights can only be denied under very narrow circumstances that are clearly defined, and have a specific purpose. That is why I support felons being able to own guns again as long as they didn't commit a crime involving a weapon. If that bothers you, I can live with that.

 

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Fuck the felons and their constitutional rights.

It’s not that hard to get through life without committing a major crime.

If you can’t conduct yourself in a civilized manner, then you deserve nothing.

If you have never done something in your life that the government would have you imprisoned or executed for, then odds are, you are a statist pussy, IMO.

Obedience to the Man is not a virtue.

So tell us more about the crimes you have committed.

Did you ever use any illegal drug? Any prescription pain killer other than for the pain the prescription was written or after a year when the prescription is legally considered expired? Did you ever drive drunk but got lucky and got home? Were you ever drunk in public? Ever lie by even a dollar on your taxes? Did you ever urinate in a public place, even if out of sight? Do you have any library books that you forgot to take back for so long that it seemed pointless so you kept them? Did you ever make a home repair that required a permit but you did it without anyway? Did you ever drive over 100 MPH just to try it out?

I have to my knowledge- never done anything that would considered a felony. How about you?

 

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Sometimes traditions should be broken because they are outdated, archaic and just downright abusive.

So what’s America with out tradition ? Chicago?

What tradition? You'll have to be more specific.

Do people have the freedom to choose whether they follow a given tradition?

Of course, I was just asking you a question, again you dodge it like the coward you are

I dodge nothing. YOu ask about something as vague as "tradition", and now get pissy because someone doesn't answer with a Yes or No? lol

Exactly what traditions are you talking about?

There are a LOT of traditions in the country. You want to generalize and lump them all together?

it’s a family tradition.

Then it is a stupid tradition. If you can't specify a tradition, my answer stands.

Each individual decides which traditions they follow and which tradition they toss out.

Women should be at home taking care of the family that’s the only way you’re gonna keep America going

Oh, so women should not have career aspirations and goals beyond the home? Just negate their contributions so you don't have to do housework? lol

So nice of you to sacrifice other's freedom.

Of course the could, but if you country is full of single parents, stats show 77% of kids will end up breaking the law.

Got a link for that?

And what you are talking about is mostly the women abandoned by men or women running from abuse. Should those traditions be maintained?

By 1996, 70 percent of inmates in state juvenile detention centers serving long-term sentences were raised by single mothers. Seventy-two percent of juvenile murderers and 60 percent of rapists come from single-mother homes. Seventy percent of teenage births, dropouts, suicides, runaways, juvenile delinquents, and child murderers involve children raised by single mothers. Girls raised without fathers are more sexually promiscuous and more likely to end up divorced. A 1990 study by the Progressive Policy Institute showed that after controlling for single motherhood, the difference between black and white crime rates disappeared.

Various studies have come up with slightly different numbers, but all the figures are grim. According to the Index of Leading Cultural Indicators, children from single-parent families account for 63 percent of all youth suicides, 70 percent of all teenage pregnancies, 71 percent of all adolescent chemical/substance abuse, 80 percent of all prison inmates, and 90 percent of all homeless and runaway children.

A study cited in the Village Voice produced similar numbers. It found that children brought up in single-mother homes ‘are five times more likely to commit suicide, nine times more likely to drop out of high school, 10 times more likely to abuse chemical substances, 14 times more likely to commit rape (for the boys), 20 times more likely to end up in prison, and 32 times more likely to run away from home.’ Single motherhood is like a farm team for future criminals and social outcasts.

So no link, just more plagarism?

And there is a difference between your claim that 77% of kids from single parent homes will break the law, and stating that 70% of inmates at juvenile detention centers are from single parent homes.

And if you look at economic factors, being raised in a poor household will see almost the same percentages. Being poor is the problem more than having two parents.

And how do you plan to fix this? Will you force women to stay home? The reason 2 parent households do better is because there are 2 incomes, not because there are two parents.

And will you force women to stay in abusive situations, just to cut the number of single parent households?

10 million people a year are subjected to domestic violence every year. So it is not an isolated problem.

20 alarming domestic violence statistics

Domestic violence is a major issue in the U.S. and around the world, and many nonprofits work tirelessly to provide critical support and services to victims.

www.socialsolutions.com

Even if the violence is only directed towards the adult, witnessing the violence has a profound effect on children.

And none of the above problems even touch on whether women are free to choose their own life, as men are. Are women not free in the US?

Not near all divorces are for domestic violence. No one is trying to suggest any person should stay in a violent home situation. But there needs to be more commitment to each other, more willingness to give to a marriage. The same sense of entitlement that drives our welfare system exists even in those who are not in the welfare system and part of that is dumping marriages and children for convenience.

As a father and husband, I agree that there should be more commitment to each other and more willingness to give to a marriage. I will point out that the Right elected a poster child for dumping marriages and children for convenience- Trump is the leader of the United States- with 5 children with 3 wives, and a history of adultery. Unfortunately that is the example Americans have for commitment to marriage.