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You didn't address anything I said in the post.
Yes I did, you’re living in the past, that’s pretty clear…
Refute the points that I made in the post and enlighten me.
You’re a lost cause, you’re a Communist, I have no respect for your agenda, cause…it’s real simple, show me a Communist society that works, offers the entire population a chance to succeed….take your time….
 

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Got it. That explains a lot because it's hard to believe an actual Christian would behave like him. I know Christians personally, and they're not like that.

I doubt if any actual Christians care what a Communist piece of shit thinks of them. I sure as Hell don't.
 

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You’re a lost cause, you’re a Communist, I have no respect for your agenda, cause…it’s real simple, show me a Communist society that works, offers the entire population a chance to succeed….take your time….

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Yes I did, you’re living in the past, that’s pretty clear…

You’re a lost cause, you’re a Communist, I have no respect for your agenda, cause…it’s real simple, show me a Communist society that works, offers the entire population a chance to succeed….take your time….

You're just ignoring all of the points I made. First of all, you assume that if a new economic system and mode of production is ever going to replace capitalism, it has to do it overnight, without ever failing. There's no trial and error, there's no opportunity to learn from our mistakes and modify something we've missed or inaccurately, incorrectly applied, or shouldn't have included in the effort or equation. For you, unfortunately, either it works immediately, under all conditions, always, or it's worthless and should be thrown in the trash bin, never to be considered again as a viable alternative to capitalism.

Well, capitalism itself didn't replace slavery or feudalism overnight, it took centuries, before the merchants, became industrialists and completely dominated the kings and nobles, the slavemasters, and feudal lords. It didn't occur overnight, it took time and new technology, for capitalism to eventually become the world's primary economic system and mode of production. Why can't the process of evolution, that took place in capitalism's development and expansion, apply to socialism and communism? Why do you demand from socialism and communism, a condition that was never present or applied to capitalism? Why is the standard or metric so much higher for socialism than for capitalism? Maybe it's because you have a misconception about what socialism entails and you're afraid of it. Do you think we communists are going to foolishly show up on your doorstep armed with AK47s and try to take your stuff away, including your home? No, not at all, that's wrong, unnecessary and we're Americans. Our communism is an American form of communism, not Russian, Chinese, or Cuban..etc.

There are a lot of misconceptions about communism in America due to cold war propaganda.

More, you ignore the fact that every single socialist project, on a national scale, has been viciously, ruthlessly assaulted by powerful capitalist countries like the United States empire, along with all of its capitalist allies. A country that adopts socialism and identifies as Marxist, is like a little flower growing in a field of weeds that want to strangle it. The capitalist ruling class in every capitalist-run economy is going to fight to destroy that nation, by bribing their politicians to impose economic sanctions upon that young socialist nation and even start a shooting war. That's the reality of the situation for Marxist economies, especially countries that openly admit that they are communists. Such countries are in for a serious conflict, a fight, with the United States and its allies. So you can't ignore that , you have to factor that in to the equation, when assessing whether these Marxist nations are "successful" or not.

Right after WW1, the United States with 14 other countries invaded Russia to stop the Bolshevic, socialist revolution and they failed. Socialism turned an under-industrialized agrarian society populated mostly by illiterate, impoverished peasants, into an industrial and scientific, technological, juggernaut and world power in less than twenty years, by the late 1930s. Soviet Russia industrialized in less than 20 years, something that took other nations in the West, including the United States over a century to accomplish. The US had 120+ years of industrialization or "headstart", on Soviet Russia. You either conveniently ignore that, or you're just not aware of it. If we're running a race, and you begin running way before me, how can you expect us to be "at par", running near each other? I'm going to be compared to you? That's the metric of success? I'm 9 years old, benching 125 pounds, that's not bad at all. You're 19, benching 350 pounds. I'm bad at the bench? You're much better than me? Well yeah, but I'm 9 and you're 19.

In 1941 the Soviet Union was invaded by 4 million Nazis. The most advanced and powerful army in the world at the time invaded Soviet Russia, and as a result, nine million Soviet soldiers died and seventeen million Russian civilians. About a quarter of their population died as a result of the war. That's the equivalent of the US losing 60 million people. You know how many Americans we lost in WW2? Half a million. We didn't get invaded by four million Germans, they did. In less than 12 years after WW2, the Soviets rebuilt their infrastructure and were launching rockets into space. They became a superpower in the 1950s, rivaling the United States, economically, politically, militarily, and technologically. You're going to ignore that? Really? Is that an honest assessment of socialism in the Soviet Union and socialism in general? Just ignore its accomplishments. That's what Western cold war propaganda attempted to do, essentially ignore everything good about socialism and the USSR and demonize it as much as possible.

"THE RED SCARE"

The last thing wealthy capitalists in the United States and Western Europe wanted was for their employees to "contract" a serious case of socialism, infecting the working class of their countries with the " The Red Bug". They were horrified. That's why they fought socialism, tooth, and nail around the world, to destroy it and they used the working class to do it. It wasn't rich American kids fighting in Vietnam, it was the kids of the American working class. Trump, Bush jr, and most other rich kids got a pass from the draft. The wealthy hardly ever send their kids to fight in the front lines as infantry grunts, it's the working class that does the hard, dirty work. The boots on the ground belong to working-class people. You and I pay for the cost of empire, not the rich.



Why did the Soviet experiment fail? It began to fall apart after the death of Stalin, in the late 1950s, when the fifth column of revisionists and right-wingers in the Soviet communist party, rejected Stalinism (a strict form of Marxism and Leninism) and tried to create a more "affable", friendlier type of socialism, for the sake of ending the cold war.





They would slowly introduce markets and become more compatible with their arch-rival, the US, a nuclear power. There was no arms race, between the USA and the USSR, it was an arms chase. The Soviets didn't want to continue fighting a cold war, spending a large % of its resources on defense. Socialists, we want to spend money on infrastructure, and social programs, not allocate a large, significant portion of our resources into the military. But we have to, because we're that "little flower", growing in a hazardous field of powerful capitalist weeds that want to kill us. We have to militarize and centralize authority, reduce democracy, and become more authoritarian in order to survive. KGB..etc. If America adopts socialism, it won't have to worry about the weeds, because it was the primary weed, when it was capitalist. It was once LORD OF THE WEEDS. Once the Lord Of The Weeds, becomes socialist, all of the other weeds die. They can't touch us, hence we can be more democratic.

Socialism has a government and state, centrally planning production and the economy in general, in cooperation with democratically run worker-cooperatives. There's both a top-down and bottom-up interaction in the rational, practical central planning of production and the economy. Advanced technology will allow this to occur without much strain or need for human analysis and accounting. We have powerful computers and automated systems of storage and distribution, that will do the accounting and guide us as to what and how much we need to produce to meet consumption demands.

We don't have to worry about the loss of jobs due to technology because as modern communists we don't rely on wages to produce what we consume, we rely on advanced 21st-century technology and human unwaged labor (until technology permits us to completely eliminate all human labor/drudgery). So we are progressive when it comes to science and technology, we don't fear the negative economic impact of technology eliminating wage labor, because we don't rely on wage labor or monetary gain, or markets, to produce what we consume. Advanced technology that replaces human labor (drudgery), is sought and pursued, in order to free human beings from having to work "jobs", and allow people to do what they want with their lives, working in that which imbues their lives with meaning, adventure, glory, happiness..etc. Are you an artist, an explorer, a scientist, a teacher, a writer, or an organizer who establishes new space colonies, what and who are you? You'll have the power, time, and resources to decide such things for yourself. That's the modern world that American communists want to create. Capitalism is obsolete, we need to transcend it and move forward into a socialized, democratized and more personalized mode of production, namely modern, American, freedom-loving communism.
 
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Joseph Smith and the first Mormons that followed him were communists, socialists. The Mormon deity considers communism, the ideal state of man. Want to debate? I challenge you. I know LDS history and theology better than you.
 
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You're just ignoring all of the points I made.
Not at all, I’ve heard all of them many times, they’re hollow, again, show me a Communist society that works….I’ll wait….
you assume that if a new economic system and mode of production is ever going to replace capitalism, it has to do it overnight, without ever failing
I don’t assume that, I know Communism doesn’t work, history supports my position solidly….
Listen to Mr. Friedman, this from the late ‘70’s, he nails it, puts a stake through Donahue’s Leftest Heart, and he does so eloquently…

 

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Joseph Smith and the first Mormons that followed him were communists, socialists.

Karl Marx did not publish his documents defining Communism until after Joseph Smith was dead.

Joseph Smith never lived to hear of Communism.

Every prominent LDS leader that has spoken of Communism has condemned it as evil; has stated that it is of Satan.

And the empirical results of every attempt to implement Communism has born this out. By its fruits, we know it. Everywhere that Communism has been tried, it has failed disastrously.

In any event, no sane person is going to regard anything that a Godless Communist piece of shit such as yourself claims, about what any religion teaches or practices.

“But whenever the God of heaven reveals His gospel to mankind, Satan, the archenemy to Christ, introduces a counterfeit.
Isaiah foresaw the time when a marvelous work and a wonder would come forth among men. Isaiah also predicted there would be those who would “seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us?” He saw the time when the work shall say of him that made it, “He made me not” (Isa. 29:15–16).​
It is well to ask, what system established secret works of darkness to overthrow nations by violent revolution? Who blasphemously proclaimed the atheistic doctrine that God made us not? Satan works through human agents. We need only look to some of the ignoble characters in human history who were contemporary to the restoration of the gospel to discover fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy. I refer to the infamous founders of Communism and others who follow in their tradition.”[/i]​
— Ezra Taft Benson, A Witness and a Warning —​
 
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I know LDS history and theology better than you.

I've been a Mormon longer than you've been alive. My parents were Mormons, as were my grandparents, great-grandparents, and most of my great-great-grandparents.

It's funny how many lying pieces of shit such as yourself, I have heard claim that they know my religion better than I do, as they spew absurd lies that are wholly irreconcilable with my direct, firsthand experience of what I have been taught, and what I have practiced, as a Mormon.

From you, of course, it's no surprise at all. You're a Communist, which means that by definition, you are a lying piece of shit, under the influence of Satan.

Of course you're going to lie about my religion. Lying is what Communists do.

You do not know shit about my religion; if you did, you might at least be able to come up with more believable lies to tell about it.
 
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First of all, you assume that if a new economic system and mode of production is ever going to replace capitalism, it has to do it overnight, without ever failing.

The Союз Советских Социалистических Республик had seventy years to try to make it work.

Boris Yeltsin, who went on to become the first President of Russia after it was finally freed from Communism, had some interesting observations, based on a visit that he had made to the United States, with an incidental stop at a common American Grocery Store.

Yeltsin was a member of the Politburo and Russia’s upper political crust, yet he’d never seen anything like the offerings of this little American grocery store. “Even the Politburo doesn’t have this choice. Not even Mr. Gorbachev,” Yeltsin said.

“When I saw those shelves crammed with hundreds, thousands of cans, cartons and goods of every possible sort, for the first time I felt quite frankly sick with despair for the Soviet people,” Yeltsin later wrote in his autobiography, “Against the Grain.” “That such a potentially super-rich country as ours has been brought to a state of such poverty! It is terrible to think of it.”​


 

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The Союз Советских Социалистических Республик had seventy years to try to make it work.

Boris Yeltsin, who went on to become the first President of Russia after it was finally freed from Communism, had some interesting observations, based on a visit that he had made to the United States, with an incidental stop at a common American Grocery Store.

Yeltsin was a member of the Politburo and Russia’s upper political crust, yet he’d never seen anything like the offerings of this little American grocery store. “Even the Politburo doesn’t have this choice. Not even Mr. Gorbachev,” Yeltsin said.

“When I saw those shelves crammed with hundreds, thousands of cans, cartons and goods of every possible sort, for the first time I felt quite frankly sick with despair for the Soviet people,” Yeltsin later wrote in his autobiography, “Against the Grain.” “That such a potentially super-rich country as ours has been brought to a state of such poverty! It is terrible to think of it.”​



Yeltsin led Russia into utter ruin. It wasn't until Putin became president in 2000 and began applying socialism to the Russian economy in the form of nationalizing major industries, that the Russian economy began to recover. Perestroika or market reform was disastrous for the Soviet economy in the 1980s, leading to breadlines, something not seen in Russia since the early 1920s and later during WW2 when the USSR was invaded by four million Germans.

Yeltsin was a Western capitalist shill, what do you expect him to say? Not a very good source for learning about the Soviet Union. Again, you continue assuming that an economic system has to replace a previous one immediately, without making any errors. That's just silly.
 

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I've been a Mormon longer than you've been alive. My parents were Mormons, as were my grandparents, great-grandparents, and most of my great-great-grandparents.

It's funny how many lying pieces of shit such as yourself, I have heard claim that they know my religion better than I do, as they spew absurd lies that are wholly irreconcilable with my direct, firsthand experience of what I have been taught, and what I have practiced, as a Mormon.

From you, of course, it's no surprise at all. You're a Communist, which means that by definition, you are a lying piece of shit, under the influence of Satan.

Of course you're going to lie about my religion. Lying is what Communists do.

You do not know shit about my religion; if you did, you might at least be able to come up with more believable lies to tell about it.

The "United Order" is essentially communism. You can deny it, but that's essentially what it is.
 

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Karl Marx did not publish his documents defining Communism until after Joseph Smith was dead.

Joseph Smith never lived to hear of Communism.

Every prominent LDS leader that has spoken of Communism has condemned it as evil; has stated that it is of Satan.

And the empirical results of every attempt to implement Communism has born this out. By its fruits, we know it. Everywhere that Communism has been tried, it has failed disastrously.

In any event, no sane person is going to regard anything that a Godless Communist piece of shit such as yourself claims, about what any religion teaches or practices.

“But whenever the God of heaven reveals His gospel to mankind, Satan, the archenemy to Christ, introduces a counterfeit.
Isaiah foresaw the time when a marvelous work and a wonder would come forth among men. Isaiah also predicted there would be those who would “seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us?” He saw the time when the work shall say of him that made it, “He made me not” (Isa. 29:15–16).​
It is well to ask, what system established secret works of darkness to overthrow nations by violent revolution? Who blasphemously proclaimed the atheistic doctrine that God made us not? Satan works through human agents. We need only look to some of the ignoble characters in human history who were contemporary to the restoration of the gospel to discover fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy. I refer to the infamous founders of Communism and others who follow in their tradition.”[/i]​
— Ezra Taft Benson, A Witness and a Warning —​

United Order shares many principles with communism, so your point is moot. It doesn't matter that Mormonism and Christianity both recognized communist principles before Marxism.
 

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The "United Order" is essentially communism. You can deny it, but that's essentially what it is.

That's a flat-out lie.

But again, you're a Communist. Lies are what any sane person should expect from you.
 

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Not at all, I’ve heard all of them many times, they’re hollow, again, show me a Communist society that works….I’ll wait….

I don’t assume that, I know Communism doesn’t work, history supports my position solidly….
Listen to Mr. Friedman, this from the late ‘70’s, he nails it, puts a stake through Donahue’s Leftest Heart, and he does so eloquently…


Ignore everything that I wrote but others won't. Friedman's views on socialism were inaccurate and ignored the fact that with advanced technology communism becomes a necessity. Markets become obsolete thanks to advanced technology eliminating wage labor. Friedman even supports giving people free money to avoid the collapse of capitalism:


UBI or "Universal Basic Income" is nothing more than capitalism on life support. We don't need money, we need the products and services we use. We can produce consumer goods and services without the need for money or markets. Advanced technology is going to eliminate wage labor and hence markets and money. Communism is inevitable whether you like it or not, it's coming and we're ready. You apparently aren't.
 

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That's a flat-out lie.

But again, you're a Communist. Lies are what any sane person should expect from you.



The United Order / United Firm / Order of Enoch, this shares some very basic principles with Marxist, communist economics.
" In the Latter Day Saint movement, the United Order (also called the United Order of Enoch) was one of several 19th-century church collectivist programs. Early versions of the Order beginning in 1831 attempted to fully implement the law of consecration, a form of Christian communalism, modeled after the New Testament church which had "all things in common."[1] These early versions ended after a few years. Later versions within Mormonism, primarily in the Utah Territory, implemented less-ambitious cooperative programs, many of which were very successful. The Order's full name invoked the city of Enoch, described in Latter Day Saint scripture as having such a virtuous and pure-hearted people that God had taken it to heaven.[2] The United Order established egalitarian communities designed to achieve income equality, eliminate poverty, and increase group self-sufficiency. The movement had much in common with other communalist utopian societies formed in the United States and Europe during the Second Great Awakening which sought to govern aspects of people's lives through precepts of faith and community organization. However, the Latter Day Saint United Order was more family- and property-oriented than the utopian experiments at Brook Farm and the Oneida Community. " SOURCE:


The Bible is clear that the first Christians held all things in common. That's found in Acts ch 2 and ch 4.


Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 and they sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all, according as any man had need.
Act 2:46 And day by day, continuing stedfastly with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread at home, they took their food with gladness and singleness of heart,

Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and soul: and not one of them said that aught of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles their witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Act 4:34 For neither was there among them any that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 and laid them at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto each, according as any one had need.
Act 4:36 And Joseph, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas (which is, being interpreted, Son of exhortation), a Levite, a man of Cyprus by race,

Act 4:37 having a field, sold it, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet.

The church held all things in common and distributed resources to each person according to their needs. That was true in the 1st century and in early Mormonism as well. Communalism or "communism" is the ideal society, not capitalism, consumerism or gross individualism. That's Satanic according to Jesus and Joseph Smith and the early leaders of the LDS recognized that. You're either a millionaire and that's why you're so triggered by communism or a brainwashed working class person, who defends his own enslavement to capitalists.


 
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Ignore everything that I wrote but others won't.
I will…village idiots ranting about the injustice of Capitalism are something I have learned to ignore for decades….these individuals are nothing more than angry little people who have no integrity, they’re walking around quick to point out who has more than they do…now are you the village idiot or just angry that someone has more than you do?
 

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I will…village idiots ranting about the injustice of Capitalism are something I have learned to ignore for decades….these individuals are nothing more than angry little people who have no integrity, they’re walking around quick to point out who has more than they do…now are you the village idiot or just angry that someone has more than you do?

You're the idiot for thinking the reason people become communists is for the silly reason you're asserting.
 
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You're just ignoring all of the points I made. First of all, you assume that if a new economic system and mode of production is ever going to replace capitalism, it has to do it overnight, without ever failing. There's no trial and error, there's no opportunity to learn from our mistakes and modify something we've missed or inaccurately, incorrectly applied, or shouldn't have included in the effort or equation. For you, unfortunately, either it works immediately, under all conditions, always, or it's worthless and should be thrown in the trash bin, never to be considered again as a viable alternative to capitalism.

Well, capitalism itself didn't replace slavery or feudalism overnight, it took centuries, before the merchants, became industrialists and completely dominated the kings and nobles, the slavemasters, and feudal lords. It didn't occur overnight, it took time and new technology, for capitalism to eventually become the world's primary economic system and mode of production. Why can't the process of evolution, that took place in capitalism's development and expansion, apply to socialism and communism? Why do you demand from socialism and communism, a condition that was never present or applied to capitalism? Why is the standard or metric so much higher for socialism than for capitalism? Maybe it's because you have a misconception about what socialism entails and you're afraid of it. Do you think we communists are going to foolishly show up on your doorstep armed with AK47s and try to take your stuff away, including your home? No, not at all, that's wrong, unnecessary and we're Americans. Our communism is an American form of communism, not Russian, Chinese, or Cuban..etc.

There are a lot of misconceptions about communism in America due to cold war propaganda.

More, you ignore the fact that every single socialist project, on a national scale, has been viciously, ruthlessly assaulted by powerful capitalist countries like the United States empire, along with all of its capitalist allies. A country that adopts socialism and identifies as Marxist, is like a little flower growing in a field of weeds that want to strangle it. The capitalist ruling class in every capitalist-run economy is going to fight to destroy that nation, by bribing their politicians to impose economic sanctions upon that young socialist nation and even start a shooting war. That's the reality of the situation for Marxist economies, especially countries that openly admit that they are communists. Such countries are in for a serious conflict, a fight, with the United States and its allies. So you can't ignore that , you have to factor that in to the equation, when assessing whether these Marxist nations are "successful" or not.

Right after WW1, the United States with 14 other countries invaded Russia to stop the Bolshevic, socialist revolution and they failed. Socialism turned an under-industrialized agrarian society populated mostly by illiterate, impoverished peasants, into an industrial and scientific, technological, juggernaut and world power in less than twenty years, by the late 1930s. Soviet Russia industrialized in less than 20 years, something that took other nations in the West, including the United States over a century to accomplish. The US had 120+ years of industrialization or "headstart", on Soviet Russia. You either conveniently ignore that, or you're just not aware of it. If we're running a race, and you begin running way before me, how can you expect us to be "at par", running near each other? I'm going to be compared to you? That's the metric of success? I'm 9 years old, benching 125 pounds, that's not bad at all. You're 19, benching 350 pounds. I'm bad at the bench? You're much better than me? Well yeah, but I'm 9 and you're 19.

In 1941 the Soviet Union was invaded by 4 million Nazis. The most advanced and powerful army in the world at the time invaded Soviet Russia, and as a result, nine million Soviet soldiers died and seventeen million Russian civilians. About a quarter of their population died as a result of the war. That's the equivalent of the US losing 60 million people. You know how many Americans we lost in WW2? Half a million. We didn't get invaded by four million Germans, they did. In less than 12 years after WW2, the Soviets rebuilt their infrastructure and were launching rockets into space. They became a superpower in the 1950s, rivaling the United States, economically, politically, militarily, and technologically. You're going to ignore that? Really? Is that an honest assessment of socialism in the Soviet Union and socialism in general? Just ignore its accomplishments. That's what Western cold war propaganda attempted to do, essentially ignore everything good about socialism and the USSR and demonize it as much as possible.

"THE RED SCARE"

The last thing wealthy capitalists in the United States and Western Europe wanted was for their employees to "contract" a serious case of socialism, infecting the working class of their countries with the " The Red Bug". They were horrified. That's why they fought socialism, tooth, and nail around the world, to destroy it and they used the working class to do it. It wasn't rich American kids fighting in Vietnam, it was the kids of the American working class. Trump, Bush jr, and most other rich kids got a pass from the draft. The wealthy hardly ever send their kids to fight in the front lines as infantry grunts, it's the working class that does the hard, dirty work. The boots on the ground belong to working-class people. You and I pay for the cost of empire, not the rich.



Why did the Soviet experiment fail? It began to fall apart after the death of Stalin, in the late 1950s, when the fifth column of revisionists and right-wingers in the Soviet communist party, rejected Stalinism (a strict form of Marxism and Leninism) and tried to create a more "affable", friendlier type of socialism, for the sake of ending the cold war.





They would slowly introduce markets and become more compatible with their arch-rival, the US, a nuclear power. There was no arms race, between the USA and the USSR, it was an arms chase. The Soviets didn't want to continue fighting a cold war, spending a large % of its resources on defense. Socialists, we want to spend money on infrastructure, and social programs, not allocate a large, significant portion of our resources into the military. But we have to, because we're that "little flower", growing in a hazardous field of powerful capitalist weeds that want to kill us. We have to militarize and centralize authority, reduce democracy, and become more authoritarian in order to survive. KGB..etc. If America adopts socialism, it won't have to worry about the weeds, because it was the primary weed, when it was capitalist. It was once LORD OF THE WEEDS. Once the Lord Of The Weeds, becomes socialist, all of the other weeds die. They can't touch us, hence we can be more democratic.

Socialism has a government and state, centrally planning production and the economy in general, in cooperation with democratically run worker-cooperatives. There's both a top-down and bottom-up interaction in the rational, practical central planning of production and the economy. Advanced technology will allow this to occur without much strain or need for human analysis and accounting. We have powerful computers and automated systems of storage and distribution, that will do the accounting and guide us as to what and how much we need to produce to meet consumption demands.

We don't have to worry about the loss of jobs due to technology because as modern communists we don't rely on wages to produce what we consume, we rely on advanced 21st-century technology and human unwaged labor (until technology permits us to completely eliminate all human labor/drudgery). So we are progressive when it comes to science and technology, we don't fear the negative economic impact of technology eliminating wage labor, because we don't rely on wage labor or monetary gain, or markets, to produce what we consume. Advanced technology that replaces human labor (drudgery), is sought and pursued, in order to free human beings from having to work "jobs", and allow people to do what they want with their lives, working in that which imbues their lives with meaning, adventure, glory, happiness..etc. Are you an artist, an explorer, a scientist, a teacher, a writer, or an organizer who establishes new space colonies, what and who are you? You'll have the power, time, and resources to decide such things for yourself. That's the modern world that American communists want to create. Capitalism is obsolete, we need to transcend it and move forward into a socialized, democratized and more personalized mode of production, namely modern, American, freedom-loving communism.


This is much too long, still. People do not want to read this wall of text on a message board, and they will not.

But I did catch this, and laughed out loud:

Advanced technology that replaces human labor (drudgery), is sought and pursued, in order to free human beings from having to work "jobs", and allow people to do what they want with their lives, working in that which imbues their lives with meaning, adventure, glory, happiness..etc.Are you an artist, an explorer, a scientist, a teacher, a writer, or an organizer who establishes new space colonies, what and who are you? You'll have the power, time, and resources to decide such things for yourself. That's the modern world that American communists want to create.

The reason communism fails is that it doesn't work with human nature. Humans get in the way of communism. Also, communists are very good at writing these lofty Utopian ideas and then when they even try it in...wait for it...COMMUNES....it's a disaster.

Communism belongs in a "wouldn't it be nice?" scenario. And you know what? It would. It would be really great, super nice, if the above situation could in any way work out given human nature. But it never has, it won't now, and it never will.

Because humans.
 

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Factories shifted from building bombers to washing machines and refrigerators

You miss the point.

The only reason why people could afford washing machines and refrigerators was because after the New Deal, they were making decent enough wages to afford them.

My parents, who grew up during the great depression, referred to the refrigerator as "The Ice Box". why? Because they were old enough to remember THIS.

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And you had to make sure someone was on hand when the Iceman cometh.

And washing machines were something like THIS.

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Happy to have cleared that up for you, you were looking a little dopey.
 

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