Sea levels rise by 'unexpected' amount in 2024: NASA

[jc456]

Good for you. Good job

well you claimed I didn't. why?

 

[Captain Caveman]

well you claimed I didn't. why?

I keep fools happy by just agreeing with them. The idiots then normally just go away. The full on retards linger.

 

[jc456]

I keep fools happy by just agreeing with them. The idiots then normally just go away. The full on retards linger.

so you are happy, I see you fooled your ownself.

 

[Captain Caveman]

so you are happy, I see you fooled your ownself.

You are lingering.

 

[jc456]

You are lingering.

I'm a glacier.

 

[westwall]

Are you completely ignoring the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics? ... what keeps this energy in the oceans? ...

Better: how does this energy travel down the water column to be stored? ... or are you storing all this energy (1,360 joules per second per square meter) in the top layer of water molecules? ... remember, no thermal convection in the oceans ...

UV radiation penetrates slightly over 500 meters deep and dumps it's energy all along that path. It is constantly being renewed, and has been for billions of years. It takes a lot of time for heat, at that depth, to percolate back up to the surface.

 

[ding]

UV radiation penetrates slightly over 500 meters deep and dumps it's energy all along that path. It is constantly being renewed, and has been for billions of years. It takes a lot of time for heat, at that depth, to percolate back up to the surface.

Yep. The high heat capacity of water allows the ocean to store a large amount of energy. Waves, tides, and currents help distribute heat throughout the ocean, moving it from warmer to cooler latitudes and deeper levels. Thermohaline circulation gradually mixes surface and deep waters over long periods, contributing to the overall heat distribution within the ocean. The ocean stores heat more readily than it releases heat. This is due to its vast size, high heat capacity, and the slow movement of water, which allows it to absorb and retain a large amount of heat from the sun.

 

[ding]

Are you completely ignoring the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics?

Not at all. Why do you believe the ocean warming violates the SLoT? The empirical climate evidence from the geologic record shows that for the last 3 million years the oceans and atmosphere warm when the northern deglaciates and cool when the northern hemisphere glaciates.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Are you completely ignoring the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics? ... what keeps this energy in the oceans? ...

Better: how does this energy travel down the water column to be stored? ... or are you storing all this energy (1,360 joules per second per square meter) in the top layer of water molecules? ... remember, no thermal convection in the oceans ...

You seem to forget that the Sun is constantly adding a lot of energetic radiation into the waters for several hundred meters 24/7 the very fact of a moderate El-Nino outflow rapidly increases the temperature of the air then cools back down when the excess is removed in various ways and the El-Nino phase declines.

 

[San Souci]

Are you suggesting we do away with the democrat party?

Never. Just the Jihad Squad ,Bernie , and Fatass Pritzker.

 

[ReinyDays]

UV radiation penetrates slightly over 500 meters deep and dumps it's energy all along that path. It is constantly being renewed, and has been for billions of years. It takes a lot of time for heat, at that depth, to percolate back up to the surface.

Nonsense ... first, the Sun produces very little of UV in her light curve ... and second the Earth's atmosphere blocks most UV ... third, that's ionizing radiation, the photon breaks the water molecule into hydroxide and hydrogen ions ...

Sunlight rarely travels further than 200 m down, below which photosynthesis is impossible {Cite} ... "Water is very effective at absorbing incoming light, so the amount of light penetrating the ocean declines rapidly (is attenuated) with depth. [see diagram below] At 1 m depth, only 45% of the solar energy that falls on the ocean surface remains. At 10 m depth only 16% of the light is still present, and only 1% of the original light is left at 100 m. No light penetrates beyond 1000 m." {Cite} ...

As you can see by the diagram I lifted from a textbook, UV doesn't penetrate the ocean surface at all ... which makes sense since every single water molecule will readily absorb UV and disassociate ... "Oxygen molecules absorb other forms of ultraviolet light, too. Together, ozone and oxygen molecules [in the atmosphere] are able to absorb 95 to 99.9% of the ultraviolet radiation that gets to our planet. When UV light is absorbed by oxygen and ozone, heat is generated, which is why the stratosphere gets warmer with altitude." {Cite}

If we heat the water at 500 m ... that water become buoyant and rises in the water column ... we don't see that anywhere in the whole of our oceans ... unless you have a citation? ... and your own claims dispute this whole "storage" mistake ... you're right the heat "percolates" to the surface and is given up to the atmosphere ... until the sea surface temperature is the same as the air temperature ... and water that evaporates doesn't contribute to air temperature, you remember that evaporation consumes energy but doesn't change temperature ... the heat becomes "latent" ...

We can make a good analogy with water siphoning ... let's fill two 5-gallon buckets with two gallons water each and set up a siphon tube between them ... now pour two more gallons into one of the buckets ... is this extra water "stored" in the bucket? ... give it some time and we'll find both bucket with three gallons each .. equilibrium ... we do have to perform work, and that requires the passage of time ... how much time depends on the diameter of our siphon tube ...

Meteorology treats the ocean surface as a blackbody radiator ... meaning the ocean surface re-radiates all the radiative energy she receives ... no storage, no depth, none of that ... just the time to perform the work converting the energy into her kinetic form, and then back to her radiative form ... about a half second ... at least this is what we measure from space ...

1,360 W/m^2 in ... 237 W/m^2 out ... perfect balance ... an nearly ideal blackbody ...

 

[ReinyDays]

Not at all. Why do you believe the ocean warming violates the SLoT? The empirical climate evidence from the geologic record shows that for the last 3 million years the oceans and atmosphere warm when the northern deglaciates and cool when the northern hemisphere glaciates.

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Which ignorant strawman are you arguing with? ... I said the ocean cannot warm without also warming the atmosphere ... both are either in equilibrium or forces are acting to bring them into equilibrium ... notwithstanding convection ...

 

[westwall]

Which ignorant strawman are you arguing with? ... I said the ocean cannot warm without also waourrming the atmosphere ... both are either in equilibrium or forces are acting to bring them into equilibrium ... notwithstanding convection ...

Soooooooo, what happens in the desert at night?

What happens in the desert when it happens to be next to an ocean...at night....

You're starting to remind me of SSDD.

 

[jbrownson0831]

Soooooooo, what happens in the desert at night?

What happens in the desert when it happens to be next to an ocean...at night....

You're starting to remind me of SSDD.

The ocean is a desert with its life underground, and the perfect disguise above....la,la,la...la-la-la-la...oops that's a song by America.

 

[jc456]

Soooooooo, what happens in the desert at night?

What happens in the desert when it happens to be next to an ocean...at night....

You're starting to remind me of SSDD.

Didn't you hear, the CO2 in the air keeps the desert hot at night? That powerful shit hotter than sun rays.

 

[ding]

Which ignorant strawman are you arguing with? ... I said the ocean cannot warm without also warming the atmosphere ... both are either in equilibrium or forces are acting to bring them into equilibrium ... notwithstanding convection ...

I didn't get that from your statement.

Are you completely ignoring the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics? ... what keeps this energy in the oceans? ...

Better: how does this energy travel down the water column to be stored? ... or are you storing all this energy (1,360 joules per second per square meter) in the top layer of water molecules? ... remember, no thermal convection in the oceans ...

 

[abu afak]

I didn't get that from your statement.

90% One line Burden shifting posts, just Baiting/Trolling/Last-Wording, Never Rebutting his opponents.
Because he has No case.
A poor relation to the "Demand Endless Detail Fallacy."

(ReinyDays)
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[ding]

90% One line Burden shifting posts, just Baiting/Trolling/Last-Wording, Never Rebutting his opponents.
Because he has No case.
A poor relation to the "Demand Endless Detail Fallacy."

(ReinyDays)
`

What other lines did you think I should have added. Brevity is a virtue. You should try it.

 

[ReinyDays]

Soooooooo, what happens in the desert at night?

What happens in the desert when it happens to be next to an ocean...at night....

You're starting to remind me of SSDD.

I wish you'd introduce me to this strawman you're arguing with ... a desert is dry land ... rocks don't evaporate ...

Coastal Baja is quite mild compared to the Sonora Desert to the east ... San Diego average highs 66ºF in January, 77ºF in August {Cite} ... and the City sits within the divergence zone there ... and next to the Pacific ...

Do you or SSDD know how to make an in-line citation? ...

 

[westwall]

I wish you'd introduce me to this strawman you're arguing with ... a desert is dry land ... rocks don't evaporate ...

Coastal Baja is quite mild compared to the Sonora Desert to the east ... San Diego average highs 66ºF in January, 77ºF in August {Cite} ... and the City sits within the divergence zone there ... and next to the Pacific ...

Do you or SSDD know how to make an in-line citation? ...

What strawman? I asked you a simple question.

So answer it.