Scientist says he found definitive proof that God exists

[P@triot]

Well, I'm not saying God must come from anywhere.

However I'm working within the limited theory that the universe must have come from somewhere like a God, and if we work with this logic, then the next step is that God must have come from somewhere.

Why? Please explain that. Based on what theorem? What science? Hell, I'll even take based on "common sense" if you can explain that with even the most basic logic or reason.

What science indicates that there "must be a next step" which proves that something had to create God? Just because God created something complex does not mean that something had to create Him. In fact - quite the contrary - that may be the dumbest "logic" ever. Because that would apply infinitely then. Whoever created something so extremely complex as God by your "logic" must have then been created by someone else. Well...that has to end at some point. There has to be an ultimate creator that was not created by something else. You actually defeat your own argument.

 

[P@triot]

According to what we've been told about God, there was no creation of God, God IS THE ALPHA and the OMEGA..... He IS the beginning, he IS also the end....what that truly means, I honestly don't know?

The link did not really explain as much as I would have liked on why Kaku is theorizing this is the case and why he believes we are living in a Matrix...I mean, it did a little, but not enough to satisfy my curiosity!

Finally....someone who is questioning this with some logic (and some humility). I salute you C4A. You've shown you are light years ahead of the other buffoons on the left who panic that the thought of God.

Hahaha, so funny, "you agree with me, you must be logical and great".........

She didn't agree at all. You're reading comprehension is atrocious.

 

[P@triot]

My faith tells me there is a god. Conservatives have nothing but loathing and hatred for scientists. Now they find one they like. Hypocritical bastards.

That is not true. We see a perfect balance between science and God. God created science and used it to form the universes. Einstein didn't create relativity, he merely discovered it was in use. It is fun to watch science catching up to God. Realizing there could be 6, or 11, or an infinite number of dimensions was a treat for scientists. Those reading the Bible already knew there were at least 6. It was how Christ appeared and disappeared at will. Before science, the naysayers were, "Yeah, some one just appears out of nowhere. Right." Now they can say, thanks to science, "Huh, the 6th dimension you say...

Then why was God so tight lipped about conveying such information to humans to help out his creation?

Because there is a plan. If the entire mysteries of the universe were revealed to man on day 1 in the garden - then what? What's the point? Where do we go? What do we pursue?

 

[Moonglow]

My faith tells me there is a god. Conservatives have nothing but loathing and hatred for scientists. Now they find one they like. Hypocritical bastards.

That is not true. We see a perfect balance between science and God. God created science and used it to form the universes. Einstein didn't create relativity, he merely discovered it was in use. It is fun to watch science catching up to God. Realizing there could be 6, or 11, or an infinite number of dimensions was a treat for scientists. Those reading the Bible already knew there were at least 6. It was how Christ appeared and disappeared at will. Before science, the naysayers were, "Yeah, some one just appears out of nowhere. Right." Now they can say, thanks to science, "Huh, the 6th dimension you say...

Then why was God so tight lipped about conveying such information to humans to help out his creation?

Because there is a plan. If the entire mysteries of the universe were revealed to man on day 1 in the garden - then what? What's the point? Where do we go? What do we pursue?

Sure, but the suffering and death....Must have been pissed..

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, I'm not saying God must come from anywhere.

However I'm working within the limited theory that the universe must have come from somewhere like a God, and if we work with this logic, then the next step is that God must have come from somewhere.

Why? Please explain that. Based on what theorem? What science? Hell, I'll even take based on "common sense" if you can explain that with even the most basic logic or reason.

What science indicates that there "must be a next step" which proves that something had to create God? Just because God created something complex does not mean that something had to create Him. In fact - quite the contrary - that may be the dumbest "logic" ever. Because that would apply infinitely then. Whoever created something so extremely complex as God by your "logic" must have then been created by someone else. Well...that has to end at some point. There has to be an ultimate creator that was not created by something else. You actually defeat your own argument.

Science? There is no science, we're not discussing science.

We have no evidence that the universe was made by God. But if we ASSUME that this is the case, based on the argument that the universe is COMPLEX, too complex to just have existed, then we have to assume God is complex.

If God is more complex than the universe, and the universe MUST HAVE BEEN CREATED because it is complex, then God is complex too, so.....

 

[Billy000]

One of the most respected theoretical physicists in the world - Michio Kaku - summarized it neatly:

"I have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence”, he affirmed. “Believe me, everything that we call chance today won’t make sense anymore.”

“To me it is clear that we exists in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance.”

Scientist says he found definitive proof that God exists.

Lol I'm not even going to bother reading that article until you tell me, in your own words, what his "evidence" is.

I just did in the initial post. God Almighty, I even grabbed his simplest quote just to dumb it down for people like you.

No you didn't. Either you don't understand what "your own words" means or your full of shit. I guess that's what I can expect from a teabagger. I can't expect them to have any understanding of any science let alone theoretical physics.

I have since watched the video. He talks about specific theories in the field that you of course avoided attempting to explain. Of course, all in all, he doesn't have any actual evidence, does he? He essentially just explains his philosophy on the nature of physics. That isn't even close to evidence. Christ you must at least know that.

 

[P@triot]

As for the rest. You aren't making much of a case. You're claiming my arrogance, yet, I'm presenting arguments, not stating that anything exists or doesn, just working within the framework you set up in this thread.

But that's simply not true. At no point did I (or even Michio Kaku for that matter) establish a "framework". Again - you're desperately trying to sound smart. You want everyone here to view you as this really wise philosopher. The problem is, it's weak and transparent. Why not just be who you are rather than desperately trying to convince people that God doesn't exist simply because He exists on a plane that you're incapable of grasping?

 

[frigidweirdo]

According to what we've been told about God, there was no creation of God, God IS THE ALPHA and the OMEGA..... He IS the beginning, he IS also the end....what that truly means, I honestly don't know?

The link did not really explain as much as I would have liked on why Kaku is theorizing this is the case and why he believes we are living in a Matrix...I mean, it did a little, but not enough to satisfy my curiosity!

Finally....someone who is questioning this with some logic (and some humility). I salute you C4A. You've shown you are light years ahead of the other buffoons on the left who panic that the thought of God.

Hahaha, so funny, "you agree with me, you must be logical and great".........

She didn't agree at all. You're reading comprehension is atrocious.

You make the assumption I read it..... why is that?

 

[tyroneweaver]

Yeah, and if the world was created by an intelligence, and this intelligence is God, and God is so intelligent, THEN WHO CREATED GOD?

I mean, where did God come from?

That's the primitive thinking of man right there (arrogant man might I add). Because you don't understand it - it can't be? News flash chief - I guarantee you don't understand ballistics but both rockets and bullets fly all over this world every day.

God has always been. He didn't need to be "created". Just because that defies all that we know doesn't make it not true. It just proves how little we know. Unfortunately, many on the left are to arrogant to accept that there is much man does not know.

Don't you see the irony?

I'm not saying God exists. You're saying God exists.

You're saying the universe exists and God created it. I'm saying that if the universe is so damn complex that it MUST HAVE BEEN created by God, then God must also be damn complex and MUST HAVE BEEN CREATED by something.

I'm not saying what exists, I'm not even saying we exist. You are.

So, to sum up your point "That's the primitive thinking of man right there (arrogant man might I add). Because you don't understand it - it can't be?"

Sounds like you wrote this for yourself.

My view is that if you pick a card from a deck of clubs and say "it's the ace of spades", you have a 1/52 chance of being right, but most likely, you'll be wrong unless you cheated. Now, take a pack of cards with an infinite number of cards, and then take one and then claim it is the ace of spades, chance are, you're going to be wrong.

I'm not telling you what's there. I'm using your logic.

If the universe was created by God, then who created God?

If the universe is complex, then God must be complex, right?

I've asked this question many times, most of the time people just get angry. I even had someone block me because I asked this question.

fortunately there wasn't a beginning.

Maybe there were lots of beginnings.

If the universe is a wheel like shape, with a really congested part where all matter comes together and implodes and makes a big bang which then propels it around the wheel again to merely meet at the same spot billions of years later, then there could be plenty of beginnings.

In each of these beginnings 46 chromosomes were produced?

 

[The Irish Ram]

My beliefs tell me there isn't a God.

Then allow me to present Pascal's Wager:

Pascal's Wager is an argument in apologetic philosophy devised by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist Blaise Pascal (1623–62).

It posits that humans all bet with their lives either that God exists or that he does not. Based on the assumption that the stakes are infinite if God exists and that there is at least a small probability that God in fact exists, Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas they stand to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell).

As for not believing because you have unanswered questions, ask Him when you get there..

That's such a bizarre argument.

What happens if you believe in God, but you get it wrong and end up in hell? Whereas if you don't believe in God, you won't?

We all get it wrong. Thankfully, we have a Father that forgives while we are in the act of getting it wrong. Us getting it wrong was the reason Christ hung on a cross. He paid for all of our wrongs, so we wouldn't have to be punished for them. God's children do not go to hell. period. And if you believe in the work Christ did on the cross then you'll know that God put your sins so far behind Him that He can't even remember them. This from a God that remembers every name of every star in every universe. That is how much He loves you.

What Pascal was saying is, If I believe in God, and live my life accordingly, and there is no God, then I merely die and it's over. No harm, no foul. But if it turns out that I was right, I have an eternity that's so so bright, and without end. By choosing God, I have absolutely NOTHING to lose, and everything to gain.

BUT if you deny God, and live for yourself, and there is a God, then you have lost your eternity as the child and heir of the Most High. And you, (also without end) have risked it all and lost. Your forever will be bleak.
So, if you are going to err, err on the side where you have the most to gain.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yeah, and if the world was created by an intelligence, and this intelligence is God, and God is so intelligent, THEN WHO CREATED GOD?

I mean, where did God come from?

That's the primitive thinking of man right there (arrogant man might I add). Because you don't understand it - it can't be? News flash chief - I guarantee you don't understand ballistics but both rockets and bullets fly all over this world every day.

God has always been. He didn't need to be "created". Just because that defies all that we know doesn't make it not true. It just proves how little we know. Unfortunately, many on the left are to arrogant to accept that there is much man does not know.

Don't you see the irony?

I'm not saying God exists. You're saying God exists.

You're saying the universe exists and God created it. I'm saying that if the universe is so damn complex that it MUST HAVE BEEN created by God, then God must also be damn complex and MUST HAVE BEEN CREATED by something.

I'm not saying what exists, I'm not even saying we exist. You are.

So, to sum up your point "That's the primitive thinking of man right there (arrogant man might I add). Because you don't understand it - it can't be?"

Sounds like you wrote this for yourself.

My view is that if you pick a card from a deck of clubs and say "it's the ace of spades", you have a 1/52 chance of being right, but most likely, you'll be wrong unless you cheated. Now, take a pack of cards with an infinite number of cards, and then take one and then claim it is the ace of spades, chance are, you're going to be wrong.

I'm not telling you what's there. I'm using your logic.

If the universe was created by God, then who created God?

If the universe is complex, then God must be complex, right?

I've asked this question many times, most of the time people just get angry. I even had someone block me because I asked this question.

fortunately there wasn't a beginning.

Maybe there were lots of beginnings.

If the universe is a wheel like shape, with a really congested part where all matter comes together and implodes and makes a big bang which then propels it around the wheel again to merely meet at the same spot billions of years later, then there could be plenty of beginnings.

In each of these beginnings 46 chromosomes were produced?

Maybe, maybe not.

 

[flacaltenn]

As for the rest. You aren't making much of a case. You're claiming my arrogance, yet, I'm presenting arguments, not stating that anything exists or doesn, just working within the framework you set up in this thread.

But that's simply not true. At no point did I (or even Michio Kaku for that matter) establish a "framework". Again - you're desperately trying to sound smart. You want everyone here to view you as this really wise philosopher. The problem is, it's weak and transparent. Why not just be who you are rather than desperately trying to convince people that God doesn't exist simply because He exists on a plane that you're incapable of grasping?

Wasn't my quote up there.. Ya want me to fix that for you??

 

[G.T.]

My beliefs tell me there isn't a God.

Then allow me to present Pascal's Wager:

Pascal's Wager is an argument in apologetic philosophy devised by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist Blaise Pascal (1623–62).

It posits that humans all bet with their lives either that God exists or that he does not. Based on the assumption that the stakes are infinite if God exists and that there is at least a small probability that God in fact exists, Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas they stand to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell).

As for not believing because you have unanswered questions, wouldn't it be more prudent to just ask Him when you get there?

Pascals wager means, "be brow beaten into being an intellectual coward, if you dont know something for a fact."

 

[P@triot]

Well, I'm not saying God must come from anywhere.

However I'm working within the limited theory that the universe must have come from somewhere like a God, and if we work with this logic, then the next step is that God must have come from somewhere.

Why? Please explain that. Based on what theorem? What science? Hell, I'll even take based on "common sense" if you can explain that with even the most basic logic or reason.

What science indicates that there "must be a next step" which proves that something had to create God? Just because God created something complex does not mean that something had to create Him. In fact - quite the contrary - that may be the dumbest "logic" ever. Because that would apply infinitely then. Whoever created something so extremely complex as God by your "logic" must have then been created by someone else. Well...that has to end at some point. There has to be an ultimate creator that was not created by something else. You actually defeat your own argument.

Science? There is no science, we're not discussing science.

We have no evidence that the universe was made by God. But if we ASSUME that this is the case, based on the argument that the universe is COMPLEX, too complex to just have existed, then we have to assume God is complex.

If God is more complex than the universe, and the universe MUST HAVE BEEN CREATED because it is complex, then God is complex too, so.....

Again....you're incapable of explaining why that has to be the case. Just because A. is more complex than B. and A. made B., it doesn't mean that A. had to be made by someone. No where does that theorem even exist. You're literally just making it up yourself.

Not only that, but you actually defeat your own argument. By your "logic" - then GX32 built God. Well, GX32 must be extremely complex to build something as powerful and complex as God, right? So who then built GX32? That would go on infinitely. So who was the first of all of them? And if that person was the first, who built them?!? The fact that you can't see the flaw in your own "logic" is the only irony here...

 

[P@triot]

As for the rest. You aren't making much of a case. You're claiming my arrogance, yet, I'm presenting arguments, not stating that anything exists or doesn, just working within the framework you set up in this thread.

But that's simply not true. At no point did I (or even Michio Kaku for that matter) establish a "framework". Again - you're desperately trying to sound smart. You want everyone here to view you as this really wise philosopher. The problem is, it's weak and transparent. Why not just be who you are rather than desperately trying to convince people that God doesn't exist simply because He exists on a plane that you're incapable of grasping?

Wasn't my quote up there.. Ya want me to fix that for you??

Sorry....that was the ignorant editing of Frigid that caused that. I'll fix it.

 

[P@triot]

You make the assumption I read it..... why is that?

So you're admitting that you comment on comments that you don't even read? Man does that explain a lot...

 

[G.T.]

My faith tells me there is a god. Conservatives have nothing but loathing and hatred for scientists. Now they find one they like. Hypocritical bastards.

My experience is - the more folks KNOW about science, the more humble they become. They start to realize that they are spending their lives staring at puzzles that could not come together by chance.

Religious people make great scientists -- because they know humility from the start. It's only the secular humanists that believe that man is the ultimate authority and creator. Once you meet humiliation in science -- you are freer to wonder and imagine.

Good thing too. If anyone in a lab coat needs humility. It would be Michio Kachuo.

not knowing if there is a god, or unbelief in a god, does not equate to believing "man is the ultimate authority or creator."

Thats a commentary made for claiming some sort of moral or ethical superiority within a conversation.... where none exists.

 

[P@triot]

My faith tells me there is a god. Conservatives have nothing but loathing and hatred for scientists. Now they find one they like. Hypocritical bastards.

My experience is - the more folks KNOW about science, the more humble they become. They start to realize that they are spending their lives staring at puzzles that could not come together by chance.

Religious people make great scientists -- because they know humility from the start. It's only the secular humanists that believe that man is the ultimate authority and creator. Once you meet humiliation in science -- you are freer to wonder and imagine.

Good thing too. If anyone in a lab coat needs humility. It would be Michio Kachuo.

not knowing if there is a god, or unbelief in a god, does not equate to believing "man is the ultimate authority or creator."

Thats a commentary made for claiming some sort of moral or ethical superiority within a conversation.... where none exists.

Bullshit. Everyone of these atheists clearly have their position based on arrogance. Their absurd belief that nothing could possibly be above man and that if they can't understand it, it must not be true. It's pure, unadulterated arrogance.

 

[JoeMoma]

Well, I'm not saying God must come from anywhere.

However I'm working within the limited theory that the universe must have come from somewhere like a God, and if we work with this logic, then the next step is that God must have come from somewhere.

Why? Please explain that. Based on what theorem? What science? Hell, I'll even take based on "common sense" if you can explain that with even the most basic logic or reason.

What science indicates that there "must be a next step" which proves that something had to create God? Just because God created something complex does not mean that something had to create Him. In fact - quite the contrary - that may be the dumbest "logic" ever. Because that would apply infinitely then. Whoever created something so extremely complex as God by your "logic" must have then been created by someone else. Well...that has to end at some point. There has to be an ultimate creator that was not created by something else. You actually defeat your own argument.

Science? There is no science, we're not discussing science.

We have no evidence that the universe was made by God. But if we ASSUME that this is the case, based on the argument that the universe is COMPLEX, too complex to just have existed, then we have to assume God is complex.

If God is more complex than the universe, and the universe MUST HAVE BEEN CREATED because it is complex, then God is complex too, so.....

Again....you're incapable of explaining why that has to be the case. Just because A. is more complex than B. and A. made B., it doesn't mean that A. had to be made by someone. No where does that theorem even exist. You're literally just making it up yourself.

Not only that, but you actually defeat your own argument. By your "logic" - then GX32 built God. Well, GX32 must be extremely complex to build something as powerful and complex as God, right? So who then built GX32? That would go on infinitely. So who was the first of all of them? And if that person was the first, who built them?!? The fact that you can't see the flaw in your own "logic" is the only irony here...

If God is complex and did not require a creator, then why must there have been a creator for the universe?

 

[G.T.]

My faith tells me there is a god. Conservatives have nothing but loathing and hatred for scientists. Now they find one they like. Hypocritical bastards.

My experience is - the more folks KNOW about science, the more humble they become. They start to realize that they are spending their lives staring at puzzles that could not come together by chance.

Religious people make great scientists -- because they know humility from the start. It's only the secular humanists that believe that man is the ultimate authority and creator. Once you meet humiliation in science -- you are freer to wonder and imagine.

Good thing too. If anyone in a lab coat needs humility. It would be Michio Kachuo.

not knowing if there is a god, or unbelief in a god, does not equate to believing "man is the ultimate authority or creator."

Thats a commentary made for claiming some sort of moral or ethical superiority within a conversation.... where none exists.

Bullshit. Everyone of these atheists clearly have their position based on arrogance. Their absurd belief that nothing could possibly be above man and that if they can't understand it, it must not be true. It's pure, unadulterated arrogance.

Atheists and theists are both based on arrogance and ignorance.

Agnostics are those with the humility to admit the unknown is...you know.....ACTUALLY unknown.