Scientist discovers errors in global warming model

[mamooth]

Yes but others have submitted their opinions and they are ignored and not invited to global summits involving discussions on global warming.

Why? Why not let all opinions be examined instead of silencing the dissenters?

No dissenters are being silenced. that's a kind of pathetic claim victimhood tantrum. Laughing at terrible science is not the same thing as silencing people.

Tell us, if antivaxxers and homeopaths aren't invited to a medical conference, are the dissenters being silenced?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Yawn, but then there is this.....

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/missing-carbon/

And?

It is an example of a real error in the current climate modeling. When observation doesn't match the predictions.......

When they successfully tell me what the weather will be a month in advance I'll give them credit for actually predicting weather. But they can't even do that.

An honest scientist will tell you that here is no accurate computer climate model.

Then there are very few honest scientists.

Their conclusions are guided by whomever is paying them.

 

[thereisnospoon]

There have already been two threads in the Environment folder where this got laughed at. But I get it, when conservatives get their marching orders, they all rush to obey.

Evans is a clown who botched the math and physics. However, you won't be able to convince a denier of that, being their faith in their conspiracy theory is unshakable. According to them, the last 3 centuries of math and physics are all wrong, overturned by an electrical engineer political fanatic. Yeah, that's probably it.

If Evans isn't a clown, he merely needs to use his theory to make climate predictions, and show those predictions come true. Mainstream climate science has been getting everything right for decades, which is why it has such credibility. Of course, like every other denier, Evans won't have the guts to put his credibility on the line by making predictions, or to submit his work to peer review.

Bottom line:

There is no evidence of GW.... its all based on models. Hardly science... if these environutters had been right, we should have all been dead decades ago. But, they're never right. Thats why I just laugh at all these leftwing bedwetters driving around their stupid little electric cars. Sorry, I'll keep my Suburban.

The global warming/climate change crowd is stimulated by studies of what "might" or "could" happen.

 

[mamooth]

Bottom line:

There is no evidence of GW.... its all based on models.

Bottom line: You show yourself to be ignorant of the science. The direct evidence supports global warming theory. No models at all are needed. The success of the models is just icing on the cake.

Hardly science... if these environutters had been right, we should have all been dead decades ago. But, they're never right. Thats why I just laugh at all these leftwing bedwetters

Without exception, every single denier is proud member of the right-wing-fringe extremist cult. Denialism has nothing to do with science. It's entirely about political cultists repeating what their political masters spoonfeed to them. Denialism isn't the actual cult. Right-wing fruitloopism is the cult. Denialism is just a symptom, one of the required mantras of that cult.

In direct contrast, the rational people hail from every political group all across the world. And they don't rave about political demons; they talk about science. We can do that, being how global warming science is actual science instead of politics.

Real science is falsifiable. There are many way global warming science could be falsified, being it's real science. Denialism? I've asked its acolytes many times what evidence would disprove denialism. They never answer. There is no such evidence, because it's not possible to disprove a religion.

 

[BlindBoo]

The OP doesnt believe scientists anyway. So her saying that a scientist discovers errors either shows that now she believes scientists and will support their findings or this is bullshit because she doesnt believe anyone who says anything unless it matches what she already believes

He's predicting temperatures to start cooling down in 2017 and we'll have a mini-ice age by 2030. If we see temperatures stagnate until 2017 as he says then others will be forced to sit up and listen. Otherwise, his credibility is out the window.

Temperatures have not gotten warmer is 17 years. That's proof that the climate is not getting warmer. It's staying the same.

And the climate nattering naybobs would say "that's due to global cooling"

Since it's not true, most scientist ignore it.

Wanna bet.....
Cookie, whenever the data reported on this climate thing is debunked, the typical response from the left wing, is "global cooling".....
For example, during the mid 2000's the US was influenced by several land falling hurricanes. In the last 10 years, that trend has waned significantly.
IOf course the so called scientists and those complicit with the environmentalist movement immediately began to screech "Global warming!".....
Since the frequency of landfalling storms has been reduced, they now have tyo come up with a different narrative. That is "global cooling"...
Or , they just stick with "the reason why there are so few hurricanes to hit the US is due to global warming"....
Last winter was one the coldest and snowiest winters for the US in the last 100 years.
Of course the reason for this put forth by the left wing environmentalist movement was......"Climate change"

I'll take that bet.

Global warming 'pause' didn't happen, study finds

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Bottom line:

There is no evidence of GW.... its all based on models.

Bottom line: You show yourself to be ignorant of the science. The direct evidence supports global warming theory. No models at all are needed. The success of the models is just icing on the cake.

Hardly science... if these environutters had been right, we should have all been dead decades ago. But, they're never right. Thats why I just laugh at all these leftwing bedwetters

Without exception, every single denier is proud member of the right-wing-fringe extremist cult. Denialism has nothing to do with science. It's entirely about political cultists repeating what their political masters spoonfeed to them. Denialism isn't the actual cult. Right-wing fruitloopism is the cult. Denialism is just a symptom, one of the required mantras of that cult.

In direct contrast, the rational people hail from every political group all across the world. And they don't rave about political demons; they talk about science. We can do that, being how global warming science is actual science instead of politics.

Real science is falsifiable. There are many way global warming science could be falsified, being it's real science. Denialism? I've asked its acolytes many times what evidence would disprove denialism. They never answer. There is no such evidence, because it's not possible to disprove a religion.

Are you high or something? That makes no sense whatsoever. Denialism? What's to deny? Kind of hard to deny something that isn't real. But hey, have at it Chicken Little... the sky IS falling!!!

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I think I'm going to go drive my Suburban a block down the street to the convenience store.

 

[Flash]

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The global warming/climate change crowd is stimulated by studies of what "might" or "could" happen.

I think there is also a little bit of "what they want" in it.

They all want a Walden Pond communist society and technology screws that idea up.

 

[mamooth]

Are you high or something?

Of higher intelligence, sure. A commonality among deniers is that they're a rather slow crowd. Smart people simply don't get sucked into that cult.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Denialism? What's to deny? Kind of hard to deny something that isn't real.

You're denying the increasing temperatures and the human cause, all of which is directly supported by data that's directly observable. You're denying reality, hence you're a denier.

But hey, maybe there really is a VastSecretGlobalSocialistPlot, and you and a small handful of political fringe cultists are the only people in the world who see the RealTruth. Yeah, that's the ticket.

But hey, have at it Chicken Little... the sky IS falling!!!

You can rage on message boards all you want, but the world has left you behind. The American Republican party is the last significant political group on the planet to still bitterly cling to the failed conspiracy theory of denialism. All of the other conservative parties of the world have abandoned your sinking ship.

 

[Dante]

Climate Change happens. There's no need to freak out and panic over it. The Planet warms, the Planet cools. Most should have known to be skeptical of the fear mongering when Politicians got involved. Politics has invaded the realm of Science now. It's tainted. Get the Politicians out of it, and we can get back to real Science again.

Scientists started the whole thing, not politicians. As usual you have the cart before the horse and no one has ever claimed the planet warming and cooling off is unusual

 

[Dante]

So NASA and the world's scientific community are the left?

Yes

and there we have it

 

[Dante]

The 'Global Warming' scam is all about a 'One World Government.' Climate Change is being used to scare the People into supporting a massive Global Government takeover.

It all comes down to choosing either Freedom & Liberty, or complete Government control and dominance over your life. Me personally, i'm choosing Freedom & Liberty. I'll take my chances with the Global Warming Boogeyman. Bring him on.

go back to your usual haunt -- the conspiracy forums

 

[Dante]

So a scientist -- discovers this?

So the scientific community has NOT been lying if this news is taken to be credible. It only means science was incorrect and gets corrected as time goes on? Wow!

Science at work? What will the right wing denier nuts do now, embrace science and scientists? Nah, they'll talk about Al Gore and other shit

Ahh ..The straw man argument.
Yes, you're right, Those of us on the right eschew ALL scientific research...Sure.
Genius, did it ever occur to you that for example, many of these so called climate scientists are able to make a living because most of their funding comes from the federal government? With that said, if the administration asks for a study, would it not be fiscally prudent for those doing the study to produce the results the administration funding the research to be exactly what the administration wants to see?.
In other words, the scientists doing the work for the Obama administration are not likely to be unbiased in their conclusions.
Human caused climate change does not exist.

another ideological conspiracy posing as an argument?

no thanx

 

[Dante]

"A former climate modeller for the Government’s Australian Greenhouse Office, with six degrees in applied mathematics, Dr Evans has unpacked the architecture of the basic climate model which underpins all climate science.

He has found...

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Read more: Australian scientist discovers ERRORS in Global Warming models that COMPLETELY undermine climate theory!!! » The Right Scoop -

Should say Read more carefully: since at least 2011 this Dr Evans has been going on, and on, and, on... David Evans' Understanding of the Climate Goes Cold

The Australian NEWS article is posted by a nut job calling himself Sooper Mexican or some such nonsense

very credible, eh?

Give up your car. Stop using electricity. otherwise, you are part of the problem.

Save the planet. Kill yourself. -- it's an old phrase I remember from a banner at a rally.

 

[g5000]

I think I'm going to go drive my Suburban a block down the street to the convenience store.

You will have to drive around the Jade Helm FEMA concentration camp to get there.

 

[Dante]

Referring to yourself in the third person? Please...

Bob Dole

 

[Dante]

....

everything is tied to math.

stop pretending your grasp of third grade math (back in the day, now, not so sure) make you qualified to speak as a scientist

 

[Dante]

Yawn, but then there is this.....

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/missing-carbon/

And?

It is an example of a real error in the current climate modeling. When observation doesn't match the predictions.......

No...Simply put, it is the uncovering of flawed data. Data to be used for political purposes.
The earths climate cycles are in constant flux. And there isn't a damned thing we can do about it.

The data is the observation that something in the earth's climate is absorbing more man made (released) CO2 than most climate scientist expected. The error was in the model. That's how the scientific method works.

thank you

 

[kaz]

So you've personally examined the evidence and understand the model and what it shows and implies?

Well, yes. Not every individual measurement, but I've certainly seen the papers and results.

I see the warming temperatures, the stratospheric cooling, the increase in backradiation, the decrease in outgoing longwave in the greenhouse gas bands. There is no explanation for such data other than global warming theory.

If you or any denier has a better explanation for the data, they need to present it. So far, they haven't. Either they declare the data is faked, or they wave their hands around wildly and yell "natural cycles!", even though things like the stratospheric cooling directly contradict any natural cycles theory.

ok, and as you examined this data, how did you eliminate normal climate fluctuations and other non-man made causes like the sun in your analysis of the data? And what does your analysis reveal is the cause of every prediction made by global warming nuts as being wrong? In fact they are so wrong, they had to rename global warming to be "climate change?"

Just so you know, my sister is a left wing moon bat and she has a PhD in math specializing in theoretical statistics. She estimates we need an absolute minimum of 150 years of actual data to have any statistically valid measurement. How do you want me to phrase to her that you know she's full of shit?

 

[Muhammed]

There have already been two threads in the Environment folder where this got laughed at. But I get it, when conservatives get their marching orders, they all rush to obey.

Evans is a clown who botched the math and physics. However, you won't be able to convince a denier of that, being their faith in their conspiracy theory is unshakable. According to them, the last 3 centuries of math and physics are all wrong, overturned by an electrical engineer political fanatic. Yeah, that's probably it.

If Evans isn't a clown, he merely needs to use his theory to make climate predictions, and show those predictions come true. Mainstream climate science has been getting everything right for decades, which is why it has such credibility. Of course, like every other denier, Evans won't have the guts to put his credibility on the line by making predictions, or to submit his work to peer review.

I've read several posts of your's while browsing through this forum.
I don't think you know jack shit about math or physics.