Zone1 Scientific Evidence of the Resurrection: The Shroud of Turin

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We have tangible evidence of Christ's resurrection: the Shroud of Turin.

In 2022 researchers in Italy published the results of a study that used the technique of wide-angle X-ray scattering (WAXS) to analyze a small piece of the Shroud. The study concluded that the structural degradations of the Shroud’s linen were “fully compatible” with those of another linen sample that has been dated, according to historical records, to 55–74 AD. Environmental carbon contamination was suggested as the source of the discrepancy between those findings and the results of the carbon dating in the 1980s. The 2022 study’s results bolstered the hypothesis that the Shroud of Turin truly is from the time of Christ (New X-ray Tests Date Turin Shroud to the Time of Jesus | Patterns of Evidence Shroud of Turin | History, Face, Image, Evidence, New Study, & Authenticity | Britannica).

The carbon dating done on the Shroud in 1988 was invalid because it was done on a piece of fabric from a part of the edge of the Shroud that was not part of the original cloth and that was handled repeatedly over the centuries.

The Patterns of Evidence group notes that the Shroud was not, and could not have been, painted, and that only in recent times have scientists found a way to discolor linen strands the way Shroud's linen strands are discolored--and that was by subjecting the linen to microbursts from high-energy lasers:

To this day, after exhaustive scientific study and numerous attempts to duplicate the figure of the man shown on it, no one has been able to do this at the microscopic level of the linen fibers. The image is on the outermost layers of those fibers as discolorations. They are microscopic pixels. The image is not painted, despite the continued claims of people who simply repeat this explanation over and against the verdict of the experts from the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), and others before and since.

The only traces of paint are from duplicates of the Shroud that were pressed against the Shroud to sanctify the duplicates in earlier centuries. These are tiny flakes of paint. The linen fibers themselves show no trace of brush strokes, binder or pigment. Nothing has soaked in; nothing is present to soak in.

Only in very recent times have scientists found a way to discolor linen strands as they are found in the Shroud of Turin, discolorations penetrating only to a tiny fraction of the width of a human hair. It was done with microbursts from high energy lasers. A burst of high energy! (Evidence for Authenticity of Jesus’ Shroud of Turin | Patterns of Evidence)


Journalist William West began his research believing the Shroud was a forgery and he intended to prove it, but he ended up changing his mind after he examined the evidence, including how the image on the Shroud was made:

So why do so many people think the Shroud is some kind of miracle? Well, apart from the image’s photo-negative features, the Shroud has no traces of any artistic medium – no paint, pigment, ink or dye, but is inexplicably made from a microscopic layer of discoloured linen microfibres, found only on the microscopic surface of the cloth. (This means the image could not have been caused by a fluid or even gas, both of which would have penetrated much deeper into the cloth.) Many scientists have concluded it is an image that could only have been produced by a burst of radiation from the body. (New evidence for the Shroud of Turin casts doubt on the skeptic - Gript)

The pollen found on the Shred is further evidence of its authenticity:

Pollens from 58 species of plants have been found on the Shroud. But only 17 of these, i.e., less than one-third, grow in France or Italy. It was to be expected that pollen from European plants would be found on the Shroud. But in view of the immense variety of European vegetation, the small representation of European species is astonishing. Some of the pollen comes from Israel/Palestine.

The spectrum of non-European species is highly astonishing. It is true that some of these plants grow in many regions of Africa and Western Asia, but only some of them. There is only one place where all these plants—with the exception of three, which need special consideration—grow in a very small radius: Jerusalem. (https://shroud.com/pdfs/ssi10part4.pdf)


The image on the Shroud, though 2D, contains 3D information. Scientists did not know how to put 3D information on 2D images until modern times. The fact that the Shroud contains 3D information was not discovered until the 1970s.

The Shroud image is a negative image. This key fact was discovered by accident in the 1890s. The technology to create a negative image on cloth did not even exist until the 20th century.

Graphics analysis of the Shroud proves the cloth was once wrapped around a human body, which further refutes the claim that the image on the Shroud was painted onto it.

More evidence of the Shroud's authenticity:



An Oxford graduate and former skeptic of the Shroud explains the evidence that changed his mind about the Shroud:
 
We have tangible evidence of Christ's resurrection: the Shroud of Turin.

In 2022 researchers in Italy published the results of a study that used the technique of wide-angle X-ray scattering (WAXS) to analyze a small piece of the Shroud. The study concluded that the structural degradations of the Shroud’s linen were “fully compatible” with those of another linen sample that has been dated, according to historical records, to 55–74 AD. Environmental carbon contamination was suggested as the source of the discrepancy between those findings and the results of the carbon dating in the 1980s. The 2022 study’s results bolstered the hypothesis that the Shroud of Turin truly is from the time of Christ (New X-ray Tests Date Turin Shroud to the Time of Jesus | Patterns of Evidence Shroud of Turin | History, Face, Image, Evidence, New Study, & Authenticity | Britannica).

The carbon dating done on the Shroud in 1988 was invalid because it was done on a piece of fabric from a part of the edge of the Shroud that was not part of the original cloth and that was handled repeatedly over the centuries.

The Patterns of Evidence group notes that the Shroud was not, and could not have been, painted, and that only in recent times have scientists found a way to discolor linen strands the way Shroud's linen strands are discolored--and that was by subjecting the linen to microbursts from high-energy lasers:

To this day, after exhaustive scientific study and numerous attempts to duplicate the figure of the man shown on it, no one has been able to do this at the microscopic level of the linen fibers. The image is on the outermost layers of those fibers as discolorations. They are microscopic pixels. The image is not painted, despite the continued claims of people who simply repeat this explanation over and against the verdict of the experts from the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), and others before and since.

The only traces of paint are from duplicates of the Shroud that were pressed against the Shroud to sanctify the duplicates in earlier centuries. These are tiny flakes of paint. The linen fibers themselves show no trace of brush strokes, binder or pigment. Nothing has soaked in; nothing is present to soak in.

Only in very recent times have scientists found a way to discolor linen strands as they are found in the Shroud of Turin, discolorations penetrating only to a tiny fraction of the width of a human hair. It was done with microbursts from high energy lasers. A burst of high energy! (Evidence for Authenticity of Jesus’ Shroud of Turin | Patterns of Evidence)


Journalist William West began his research believing the Shroud was a forgery and he intended to prove it, but he ended up changing his mind after he examined the evidence, including how the image on the Shroud was made:

So why do so many people think the Shroud is some kind of miracle? Well, apart from the image’s photo-negative features, the Shroud has no traces of any artistic medium – no paint, pigment, ink or dye, but is inexplicably made from a microscopic layer of discoloured linen microfibres, found only on the microscopic surface of the cloth. (This means the image could not have been caused by a fluid or even gas, both of which would have penetrated much deeper into the cloth.) Many scientists have concluded it is an image that could only have been produced by a burst of radiation from the body. (New evidence for the Shroud of Turin casts doubt on the skeptic - Gript)

The pollen found on the Shred is further evidence of its authenticity:

Pollens from 58 species of plants have been found on the Shroud. But only 17 of these, i.e., less than one-third, grow in France or Italy. It was to be expected that pollen from European plants would be found on the Shroud. But in view of the immense variety of European vegetation, the small representation of European species is astonishing. Some of the pollen comes from Israel/Palestine.

The spectrum of non-European species is highly astonishing. It is true that some of these plants grow in many regions of Africa and Western Asia, but only some of them. There is only one place where all these plants—with the exception of three, which need special consideration—grow in a very small radius: Jerusalem. (https://shroud.com/pdfs/ssi10part4.pdf)


The image on the Shroud, though 2D, contains 3D information. Scientists did not know how to put 3D information on 2D images until modern times. The fact that the Shroud contains 3D information was not discovered until the 1970s.

The Shroud image is a negative image. This key fact was discovered by accident in the 1890s. The technology to create a negative image on cloth did not even exist until the 20th century.

Graphics analysis of the Shroud proves the cloth was once wrapped around a human body, which further refutes the claim that the image on the Shroud was painted onto it.

More evidence of the Shroud's authenticity:



An Oxford graduate and former skeptic of the Shroud explains the evidence that changed his mind about the Shroud:

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Interesting. There are many scientists who have found evidence of the Resurrection, on the Shroud.


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The Shroud of Turin, a linen cloth imprinted with the image of a man, is widely regarded as a fake due to several factors. Forensic analysis suggests the bloodstains are inconsistent with a natural position and movement of a corpse, and carbon-14 dating places the cloth in the medieval period, not the time of Christ. Furthermore, the image itself has been analyzed and debated, with some suggesting it could be a bas-relief impression rather than a direct image of a body. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Here's a more detailed look at the evidence: [2, 4]
1. Radiocarbon Dating: [2, 4]
  • In 1988, three independent laboratories radiocarbon dated the shroud and concluded it was from the 13th to 14th century.
  • This dating contradicted the claims that the shroud was a burial cloth of Jesus, who would have lived in the first century AD.
  • While some have questioned the accuracy of the dating, citing potential contamination or the use of repaired fabric, the overwhelming scientific consensus supports the medieval date. [2, 4]
2. Forensic Analysis of Bloodstains: [1, 3]
  • Forensic researchers have examined the bloodstains on the shroud using blood pattern analysis techniques.
  • These analyses have concluded that the stains are inconsistent with the natural flow of blood from a single, still body position.
  • Researchers have also suggested that the stains could have been painted or created using other techniques. [1, 3]
3. Nature of the Image: [5, 6]
  • The image on the shroud is a faint, positive-negative impression that appears to be a reflection of light. [5, 6]
  • Scientists have speculated that the image could have been created by a bas-relief or other means rather than a direct image of a body. [5, 6]
  • Some have even suggested the image was painted on the cloth, although no pigments have been found on the surface. [4]
4. Historical Inconsistencies: [7]
  • There is a gap in the shroud's documented history between the 14th century and the 16th century, when it first appeared in a public display.
  • The shroud's existence was not mentioned in early Christian writings or by prominent figures in the Middle Ages.
  • Some scholars have suggested the shroud was created as a religious artifact during the medieval period. [7]
In conclusion, the scientific evidence, including radiocarbon dating and forensic analysis, strongly suggests that the Shroud of Turin is not the burial cloth of Jesus and is likely a medieval artifact created during the Middle Ages. [2, 4, 7]

Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/religion/forensic-research-once-again-suggests-shroud-turin-fake-n892251
[2] Shroud of Christ? ~ Clues and Evidence | Secrets of the Dead | PBS
[3] https://www.history.com/articles/shroud-turin-forensic-study-not-jesus-burial-cloth
[4] Shroud of Turin - Wikipedia
[5] The 3D graphics that ‘prove’ the Shroud of Turin is a fake
[6] New research shows that the carbon dating of the Shroud of Turin is fake
[7] The Shroud of Turin: 7 Intriguing Facts | HISTORY
 
The Shroud of Turin, a linen cloth imprinted with the image of a man, is widely regarded as a fake due to several factors. Forensic analysis suggests the bloodstains are inconsistent with a natural position and movement of a corpse, and carbon-14 dating places the cloth in the medieval period, not the time of Christ. Furthermore, the image itself has been analyzed and debated, with some suggesting it could be a bas-relief impression rather than a direct image of a body. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Here's a more detailed look at the evidence: [2, 4]
1. Radiocarbon Dating: [2, 4]
  • In 1988, three independent laboratories radiocarbon dated the shroud and concluded it was from the 13th to 14th century.
  • This dating contradicted the claims that the shroud was a burial cloth of Jesus, who would have lived in the first century AD.
  • While some have questioned the accuracy of the dating, citing potential contamination or the use of repaired fabric, the overwhelming scientific consensus supports the medieval date. [2, 4]
2. Forensic Analysis of Bloodstains: [1, 3]
  • Forensic researchers have examined the bloodstains on the shroud using blood pattern analysis techniques.
  • These analyses have concluded that the stains are inconsistent with the natural flow of blood from a single, still body position.
  • Researchers have also suggested that the stains could have been painted or created using other techniques. [1, 3]
3. Nature of the Image: [5, 6]
  • The image on the shroud is a faint, positive-negative impression that appears to be a reflection of light. [5, 6]
  • Scientists have speculated that the image could have been created by a bas-relief or other means rather than a direct image of a body. [5, 6]
  • Some have even suggested the image was painted on the cloth, although no pigments have been found on the surface. [4]
4. Historical Inconsistencies: [7]
  • There is a gap in the shroud's documented history between the 14th century and the 16th century, when it first appeared in a public display.
  • The shroud's existence was not mentioned in early Christian writings or by prominent figures in the Middle Ages.
  • Some scholars have suggested the shroud was created as a religious artifact during the medieval period. [7]
In conclusion, the scientific evidence, including radiocarbon dating and forensic analysis, strongly suggests that the Shroud of Turin is not the burial cloth of Jesus and is likely a medieval artifact created during the Middle Ages. [2, 4, 7]

Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/religion/forensic-research-once-again-suggests-shroud-turin-fake-n892251
[2] Shroud of Christ? ~ Clues and Evidence | Secrets of the Dead | PBS
[3] https://www.history.com/articles/shroud-turin-forensic-study-not-jesus-burial-cloth
[4] Shroud of Turin - Wikipedia
[5] The 3D graphics that ‘prove’ the Shroud of Turin is a fake
[6] New research shows that the carbon dating of the Shroud of Turin is fake
[7] The Shroud of Turin: 7 Intriguing Facts | HISTORY
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And AI says so!

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you have objections to a well written article by AI? you are more than welcome to research the sources....AI used.
 
Since there haven't been any other resurrections, there is no way to say what the phenomenon does to burial shrouds. So I don't think you can get actual scientific proof of Jesus' resurrection from this important shroud.
 
The Shroud of Turin, a linen cloth imprinted with the image of a man, is widely regarded as a fake due to several factors. Forensic analysis suggests the bloodstains are inconsistent with a natural position and movement of a corpse, and carbon-14 dating places the cloth in the medieval period, not the time of Christ. Furthermore, the image itself has been analyzed and debated, with some suggesting it could be a bas-relief impression rather than a direct image of a body. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Here's a more detailed look at the evidence: [2, 4]
1. Radiocarbon Dating: [2, 4]
  • In 1988, three independent laboratories radiocarbon dated the shroud and concluded it was from the 13th to 14th century.
  • This dating contradicted the claims that the shroud was a burial cloth of Jesus, who would have lived in the first century AD.
  • While some have questioned the accuracy of the dating, citing potential contamination or the use of repaired fabric, the overwhelming scientific consensus supports the medieval date. [2, 4]
2. Forensic Analysis of Bloodstains: [1, 3]
  • Forensic researchers have examined the bloodstains on the shroud using blood pattern analysis techniques.
  • These analyses have concluded that the stains are inconsistent with the natural flow of blood from a single, still body position.
  • Researchers have also suggested that the stains could have been painted or created using other techniques. [1, 3]
3. Nature of the Image: [5, 6]
  • The image on the shroud is a faint, positive-negative impression that appears to be a reflection of light. [5, 6]
  • Scientists have speculated that the image could have been created by a bas-relief or other means rather than a direct image of a body. [5, 6]
  • Some have even suggested the image was painted on the cloth, although no pigments have been found on the surface. [4]
4. Historical Inconsistencies: [7]
  • There is a gap in the shroud's documented history between the 14th century and the 16th century, when it first appeared in a public display.
  • The shroud's existence was not mentioned in early Christian writings or by prominent figures in the Middle Ages.
  • Some scholars have suggested the shroud was created as a religious artifact during the medieval period. [7]
In conclusion, the scientific evidence, including radiocarbon dating and forensic analysis, strongly suggests that the Shroud of Turin is not the burial cloth of Jesus and is likely a medieval artifact created during the Middle Ages. [2, 4, 7]

Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/religion/forensic-research-once-again-suggests-shroud-turin-fake-n892251
[2] Shroud of Christ? ~ Clues and Evidence | Secrets of the Dead | PBS
[3] https://www.history.com/articles/shroud-turin-forensic-study-not-jesus-burial-cloth
[4] Shroud of Turin - Wikipedia
[5] The 3D graphics that ‘prove’ the Shroud of Turin is a fake
[6] New research shows that the carbon dating of the Shroud of Turin is fake
[7] The Shroud of Turin: 7 Intriguing Facts | HISTORY
You must not have read the OP or any of the links in the OP. The arguments you cite are all answered in the OP and/or in its links. You should have known your AI answer was dubious when its sources included Wikipedia, the Telegraph, and PBS. Some of the arguments you cite are downright absurd on their face to anyone who knows anything about the Shroud.

If you had read the OP, you would have known that the carbon dating was invalid because they only tested a small corner-edge piece of fabric that was not even part of the original cloth but was added when some nuns tried to repair that portion of the cloth. I notice your AI-generated reply did not address the historic x-ray testing that was done on the Shroud, which found that it dates to the time of Christ.

The 3D graphics claim is hilarious. This "expert" made no effort to explain how 3D information could have been included in a 2D image unless the Shroud had once been wrapped around a 3D object. Other graphics experts have concluded that the only way to explain the 3D information in the Shroud's 2D image is to assume that the Shroud was one wrapped around a 3D body. Your so-called "expert" also failed to address the fact that the technology to create a negative image on cloth did not even exist until the 20th century.

The argument that the Shroud's image was painted on was debunked many years ago.

And on and on we could go. I suspect that you and some others will simply ignore all the scientific evidence for the Shroud and will also ignore the refutations of the arguments against the Shroud.
 
And on and on we could go. I suspect that you and some others will simply ignore all the scientific evidence for the Shroud and will also ignore the refutations of the arguments against the Shroud.
Another point Catholics find interesting. There have been miracles regarding the Eucharist, where the bread transformed into human flesh that have been verified is from deep heart tissue. The blood type on these miracles and on the Shroud of Turin is the same.
 
Here is an informative interview with photographic expert Barrie Schwortz, one of the experts selected to be on the team of scholars who were allowed to examine the Shroud in 1978. Among other things, he thoroughly explains why the 1988 carbon dating analysis was invalid (if not fraudulent). He also explains how VP8 imagery analysis proves that the Shroud's image contains 3D data even though it is a 2D image.

 
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Another point Catholics find interesting. There have been miracles regarding the Eucharist, where the bread transformed into human flesh that have been verified is from deep heart tissue. The blood type on these miracles and on the Shroud of Turin is the same.
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The Eucharistic Miracles are fascinating.

Are you familiar with soon-to-be Saint Carlo Acutis? An Italian teenager who created a museum quality accumulation of information about the Eucharistic Miracles.


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The Eucharistic Miracles are fascinating.

Are you familiar with soon-to-be Saint Carlo Acutis? An Italian teenager who created a museum quality accumulation of information about the Eucharistic Miracles.


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I've heard of Carlo Acutis, but that's about it.
 
I've heard of Carlo Acutis, but that's about it.
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He's already being called the Patron Saint of the Internet. Age 16 at his death, and from a very young age, had a burning devotion for the faith, even though his parents were not particularly devout. Born in London of Italian parents and moved to Milan.

His facility with the internet allowed him to very extensively catalog, among other religious matters, the Eucharistic Miracles. Carlo Acutis Eucharistic Miracles Exhibition

I doubt if I'll ever again be interested in traveling internationally, but I would love to see his exhibit.
 
We have tangible evidence of Christ's resurrection: the Shroud of Turin.


FAKE NEWS

Computer analysis shows exactly how Leonardo fooled Cult Christians and made a laughing stock out of the crackpot Cult theories .

The image is of himself .
He detested Cult Christianity and his views were widely known .
And he has fooled all the Gullibles including quite a few here .
 
For those who might be interested, here is my website on the Shroud of Turin:


It includes articles that deal with the 1988 carbon dating analysis of the Shroud, dating analyses that date the Shroud to the time of Christ, and the presence of 3D information in the Shroud's image.

The site also provides links to several good documentaries and interviews on the Shroud.
 
We have tangible evidence of Christ's resurrection: the Shroud of Turin.

FAKE NEWS

Computer analysis shows exactly how Leonardo fooled Cult Christians and made a laughing stock out of the crackpot Cult theories .

The image is of himself .
He detested Cult Christianity and his views were widely known .
And he has fooled all the Gullibles including quite a few here .
This must be a joke. Have you heard of the team of scientists who examined the Shroud for a week in 1978, i.e., the Shroud of Turin Research Project? Go read their report. They proved beyond any doubt that the Shroud's image was not painted and could not have been painted (LINK). Have you heard of VP-8 analysis? The VP-8 analysis discovered that the Shroud's image contains 3D information even though it is a 2D image, proving that the Shroud had covered a body (LINK).

There is also the fact that x-ray analysis and vanillin testing have both established that the Shroud dates to the time of Christ, long before Leonardo came along (LINK; LINK).
 
This must be a joke. Have you heard of the team of scientists who examined the Shroud for a week in 1978, i.e., the Shroud of Turin Research Project? Go read their report. They proved beyond any doubt that the Shroud's image was not painted and could not have been painted (LINK). Have you heard of VP-8 analysis? The VP-8 analysis discovered that the Shroud's image contains 3D information even though it is a 2D image, proving that the Shroud had covered a body (LINK).

There is also the fact that x-ray analysis and vanillin testing have both established that the Shroud dates to the time of Christ, long before Leonardo came along (LINK; LINK).


Deliberate liar or idiot ?
I cannot make up my mind about you .`

The 1979 work you quote is a joke .
Subsequent computer work shows exactly the technique used by Leonardo, and anybody holding on to desperate Cultist views like yours is to be pitied.

However sympathy for you must be put aside .
Thankfully real scholarship plus honesty shows people like you as simpletons at best and a cheap fraudster at worst .

You are banished .
 
This must be a joke. Have you heard of the team of scientists who examined the Shroud for a week in 1978, i.e., the Shroud of Turin Research Project? Go read their report. They proved beyond any doubt that the Shroud's image was not painted and could not have been painted (LINK). Have you heard of VP-8 analysis? The VP-8 analysis discovered that the Shroud's image contains 3D information even though it is a 2D image, proving that the Shroud had covered a body (LINK).

There is also the fact that x-ray analysis and vanillin testing have both established that the Shroud dates to the time of Christ, long before Leonardo came along (LINK; LINK).
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Are you familiar with any of the scientific work done on the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the tilma of Juan Diego?

I went into the church of Our Lady of Guadalupe today and was fascinated anew by the paintings of the image.


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The 1979 work you quote is a joke.
Really? The research of 26 scientists who were allowed to examine the Shroud firsthand is a "joke"? Have you read their report? Do you know who those scientists were?

Subsequent computer work shows exactly the technique used by Leonardo, and anybody holding on to desperate Cultist views like yours is to be pitied.
Got a link for this alleged "computer work"? Actual scientists have done "computer work" on the Shroud and have determined that it contains 3D information although it is a 2D image. X-ray analysis of the Shroud shows that no paint of any kind was used to create the image. Here's just one documentary about a team of graphics experts who examined the Shroud by taking existing high-resolutions photos of the Shroud and doing computer analysis of them to test for 3D information, depth of image, contour shaping, etc., etc.:


However sympathy for you must be put aside. Thankfully real scholarship plus honesty shows people like you as simpletons at best and a cheap fraudster at worst.
What "real scholarship" are you talking about? Again, got any links? I'm talking about real scholarship done by physicists, graphics experts, chemists, biologists, botanists, forensic pathologists, and fabric experts. Here are some recent interviews with a nuclear engineer, Dr. Robert Rucker, who began to study the Shroud after he retired:





 

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