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Schiff: Trump Thinking He Can Declassify Without a Process Shows How Dangerous He Is

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Trump's claim that he declassified the documents would come after he's indictedvwich is extremely unlikely.

It would be legal malpractice for his attorneys to swear to it under oath now. Not to mention absurd since They are not fact witnesses.
This is just like the election fraud lawsuits. The lawyers have to bring the evidence to make their case into the court. And not just spew it on the sidewalk in front of the courthouse.

This is also why they lost virtually every election fraud case, because the lawyers either couldn't or wouldn't provide any credible proof of fraud.
 

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P.S. BTW Trumps edict of automatic declassification of classified material taken from the Oval Office and brought to the residence, would include the "biscuit" the card presidents carry with a copy of the nuclear launch codes. If what Trump said was actually in effect, every evening the nuclear launch codes would be declassified.

Which would be fine as every day they are changed.

They are changed by choice, in a planned coordinated system. Not based on the presidents bedtime on any particular evening.

Just imagine the constant state of confusion, with missile or bomber crews wondering which set of launch codes are the valid ones?
 

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So nothing should ever be declassified? Is that what you're saying, turd?
Top Secret -10 yrs after creation, declassified
Secret -6 years after creation, declassified.
Confidential - 4 years after first created, declassified.

There is an automatic declassification process, if no one intervenes.
 

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This is just like the election fraud lawsuits. The lawyers have to bring the evidence to make their case into the court. And not just spew it on the sidewalk in front of the courthouse.
If the DOJ ever indicts, then Trump either will or will not testify and will or will not provide witnesses who heard him declassify documents.

Either way that goes, a QA from the Special Master is not the time for that. The Special Master wanted to know if Trumps attorneys wanted him to consider any claim of declassification in his decision making.

Thinking the lawyers not swearing right then that Trump did declassify is proof that he did not is pretty silly.
This is also why they lost virtually every election fraud case, because the lawyers either couldn't or wouldn't provide any credible proof of fraud.
But for a criminal case the burden of proof will be on the prosecution.

There wont be any indictment of course.
 

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we cannot discern why Plaintiff would have an individual interest in or need for any of the one-hundred documents with classification markings. Classified documents are marked to show they are classified, for instance, with their classification level. Classified National Security Information, Exec. Order No. 13,526, § 1.6, 3 C.F.R. 298, 301 (2009 Comp.

The 11th district seems to have no doubt.

It's not classified if Trump believes they are not classified. :p
 

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Top Secret -10 yrs after creation, declassified
Secret -6 years after creation, declassified.
Confidential - 4 years after first created, declassified.

There is an automatic declassification process, if no one intervenes.
So when do the stamps get changed?
 

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If the DOJ ever indicts, then Trump either will or will not testify and will or will not provide witnesses who heard him declassify documents.

Either way that goes, a QA from the Special Master is not the time for that. The Special Master wanted to know if Trumps attorneys wanted him to consider any claim of declassification in his decision making.

Thinking the lawyers not swearing right then that Trump did declassify is proof that he did not is pretty silly.

But for a criminal case the burden of proof will be on the prosecution.

There wont be any indictment of course.
But I thought Trump wanted transparency?

Another lie.
 
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Don’t know why this feelings and wish myth has so much traction. The tantrums grow old. Simply put, it encumbers a President to have to “run this by others” so he does not have to. There are checks and balances in place for many Presidential actions but Not This One.
 

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Schiff: Trump Thinking He Can Declassify Without a Process Shows How Dangerous He Is

25 Sep 2022 ~~ By Pam Key

Representative Adam Schiff (D-CA) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that former President Donald Trump claiming a president can declassify information by thinking about it showed how dangerous he is to the national security of the United States.
Last week on Fox News, Trump said, “There doesn’t have to be a process, as I understand it. You know, there’s different people who say different things. As I understand, there doesn’t have to be. If you’re the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying, ‘It’s declassified.’ Even by thinking about it.


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The fact that Schiff thinks the elected President must bow and scrape before unelected bureaucrats to beg permission to declassify shows how dangerous Schitt is.
Trump signed off on a STANDING ORDER that allowed him to do just that.
It is interesting to read what ABC NEWS had to say about Trump declassifying information back in 2017. am


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Trump is protected under an executive order that was signed by Barack Obama in 2009 establishing a uniform system for "classifying, safeguarding and declassifying national security information."

The order allows the president to determine the system of designating classified information, and he is the ultimate authority over U.S. intelligence agencies, which gather and classify the information.

The Supreme Court confirmed as much in its 1988 ruling in Department of Navy v. Egan.

"[The president's] authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security … flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the president and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant," the court said.
 

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Libbies are indecisive people. They feel everything has to be sifted through some cultural approval committee. It’s why the don’t succeed much, they can’t Think independently.
 

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They are changed by choice, in a planned coordinated system. Not based on the presidents bedtime on any particular evening.

Just imagine the constant state of confusion, with missile or bomber crews wondering which set of launch codes are the valid ones?

For 8 years I wondered every night if Obama would give The Muslim Brotherhood the codes while I was sleeping.
 

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Libbies are indecisive people. They feel everything has to be sifted through some cultural approval committee. It’s why the don’t succeed much, they can’t Think independently.

tru dat
 

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The idea that Trump declassified all these documents is worse than if he had stolen them in the first place.

I don’t see how you guys can’t understand that. These are secrets vital to national security. They’re classified for a reason.
If they are secret then how do you know they exist? If they are vital to National Security, how would you even be aware they are classified?

You are dumb as a box of rocks. The whole thing is just another slimy smear campaign.
 

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Trump knows he can
Shits wishes/feels he should not
That’s why one was President and the other a bug eyed retaliator
 

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Trump made a shitstorm for himself and it’s clear he never saw it coming despite being blisteringly obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense.
That's total horseshit. The progs made war on him. Now you don't want to accept responsibility for it.
 

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The intel agencies do not have to know.
The declassifying any and all presidents do is just for specific people that the presidents know and keep track of themselves, such as staffers, aids, secretaries, advisors, lawyers, etc.
These people need to have access so they can help the president act on the classified intel.
This is standard procedure, Trump did nothing remotely different, and presidents are entirely and completely above all classified doc laws because classified doc laws are actually just presidential executive orders.

The only congressional law Trump had to watch out for was FOIA, which requires copies of all docs go to NARA.
But that does NOT include the copies Trump had from the White House.
Since those were only working copies, NARA already got the originals and had no interest in those.
Complete bullshit.
 

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