Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered

[toomuchtime_]

First it is a fence, and again you show you have no idea what you are arguing about. Second, attacking the fence is an attack on Israel because the fence prevents Palestinian terrorists from attacking Israeli civilians.

This doesn't look like a fence to me.

Once again, you show how stupid and ignorant you are. That's not Gaza but the barrier that separates Judea and Samaria from pre 1967 Israel, and while sections of that run through populated areas are concrete, 90% of it is a fence.

 

[Billo_Really]

lol Now you feel the need to make up more lies to try to cover up your bigotry. Your complaint was that there were Arabs there when the European Jews arrived in the early 20th, but realizing you had revealed your extreme bigotry, not you jump ahead fifty years to deflect attention from it.

No one knows how many of the Arabs were driven out or how many left of their own accord or how many fled because they were in the path of the invading Arab armies and were caught in a crossfire, but after UN resolution 194 passed, Israel opened an agency to accept applications from Arabs who had left and now wanted to return, and while the Arabs wailed loudly about being refugees, not one of them filed an application because to do so, would be to recognize the authority of the Israeli government and that would get them labeled as collaborators and get them killed. It was a tragedy for the Arabs, but one they brought on themselves, because they were as xenophobic as you seem to be and like you, the though of a Jew living next door to them drove them to violence and then to disaster. Israel kept the office to accept applications to return from the refugees open into the mid 1970's but while the Arabs wailed and moaned about wanting to return, not one of them filed an application to do so.

I wasn't "complaining" Arabs were already living there, I was stating a fact. And stating that fact has nothing to do with bigotry.

And it is ridiculous to think that people living in their homes for generations, would leave those homes voluntarily.

 

[Billo_Really]

Once again, you show how stupid and ignorant you are. That's not Gaza but the barrier that separates Judea and Samaria from pre 1967 Israel, and while sections of that run through populated areas are concrete, 90% of it is a fence.

I don't care if its a line drawn with spray paint, Israel has no jurisdiction on the Gazan side of the fence.

 

[Sixties Fan]

lol Now you feel the need to make up more lies to try to cover up your bigotry. Your complaint was that there were Arabs there when the European Jews arrived in the early 20th, but realizing you had revealed your extreme bigotry, not you jump ahead fifty years to deflect attention from it.

No one knows how many of the Arabs were driven out or how many left of their own accord or how many fled because they were in the path of the invading Arab armies and were caught in a crossfire, but after UN resolution 194 passed, Israel opened an agency to accept applications from Arabs who had left and now wanted to return, and while the Arabs wailed loudly about being refugees, not one of them filed an application because to do so, would be to recognize the authority of the Israeli government and that would get them labeled as collaborators and get them killed. It was a tragedy for the Arabs, but one they brought on themselves, because they were as xenophobic as you seem to be and like you, the though of a Jew living next door to them drove them to violence and then to disaster. Israel kept the office to accept applications to return from the refugees open into the mid 1970's but while the Arabs wailed and moaned about wanting to return, not one of them filed an application to do so.

I wasn't "complaining" Arabs were already living there, I was stating a fact. And stating that fact has nothing to do with bigotry.

And it is ridiculous to think that people living in their homes for generations, would leave those homes voluntarily.

You have clearly not been in a war zone, ever.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Once again, you show how stupid and ignorant you are. That's not Gaza but the barrier that separates Judea and Samaria from pre 1967 Israel, and while sections of that run through populated areas are concrete, 90% of it is a fence.

I don't care if its a line drawn with spray paint, Israel has no jurisdiction on the Gazan side of the fence.

Israel does have the right to defend its border, which is what the fence is, from anyone trying to invade the country - which is what the Arabs have been trying to do for the past 5 weeks.

IDF footage showing a group of five Palestinian men damage and break through the Gaza security fence, before one of them is shot dead, during a protest in Bureij, in the central Gaza Strip, on April 3, 2018. (Screen capture)


I am sure that the USA has the right to protect its borders with Mexico or Canada, if non Americans try to come into the country for any reason, armed or not. What do you say?

As long as the Arabs stayed "on their side of the fence" being peaceful, that would not be a problem.

So far, the problems have been:

Throwing rocks.

Throwing firebombs.

Allowing kites fly to the Israeli side while lit, so that when they land they will cause fires and damage

Arabs with guns attempting to cross over the fence in order to kidnap soldiers

Causing an environmental nightmare by setting on fire at least 10,000 rubber tires.
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And right in between the two Palestinian flags, is what the Arabs admire the most as an example of how to treat Jews:



Were you able to figure it out?


How do you like the peaceful protests so far?

 

[toomuchtime_]

lol Now you feel the need to make up more lies to try to cover up your bigotry. Your complaint was that there were Arabs there when the European Jews arrived in the early 20th, but realizing you had revealed your extreme bigotry, not you jump ahead fifty years to deflect attention from it.

No one knows how many of the Arabs were driven out or how many left of their own accord or how many fled because they were in the path of the invading Arab armies and were caught in a crossfire, but after UN resolution 194 passed, Israel opened an agency to accept applications from Arabs who had left and now wanted to return, and while the Arabs wailed loudly about being refugees, not one of them filed an application because to do so, would be to recognize the authority of the Israeli government and that would get them labeled as collaborators and get them killed. It was a tragedy for the Arabs, but one they brought on themselves, because they were as xenophobic as you seem to be and like you, the though of a Jew living next door to them drove them to violence and then to disaster. Israel kept the office to accept applications to return from the refugees open into the mid 1970's but while the Arabs wailed and moaned about wanting to return, not one of them filed an application to do so.

I wasn't "complaining" Arabs were already living there, I was stating a fact. And stating that fact has nothing to do with bigotry.

And it is ridiculous to think that people living in their homes for generations, would leave those homes voluntarily.

Yet another lie from you. You complained that people were already living there as if you thought having a Jew move in your neighborhood was a terrible thing. There is nothing to any of your posts but bigotry. Again and again you demonstrate how vast and profound you ignorance of the area and situation is and you you maintain strong opinions based on this ignorance. The arrival of the European Jews did not displace the Arabs, but their violent response to the Jewish immigrants did lead to a war that did displace them. Their problems are all self inflicted.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Once again, you show how stupid and ignorant you are. That's not Gaza but the barrier that separates Judea and Samaria from pre 1967 Israel, and while sections of that run through populated areas are concrete, 90% of it is a fence.

I don't care if its a line drawn with spray paint, Israel has no jurisdiction on the Gazan side of the fence.

If you were not quite so stupid you might have said that in your opinion Israel should not have jurisdiction over the buffer zone, but clearly the fact on the ground is that Israel does have jurisdiction over it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Obviously, "innocent" is another word you don't understand.

You can only use lethal force when your own life is threatened or the threat is imminent. Standing there throwing a rock, or burning a tire, or yelling at your wailing Iron Curtain, are not threats to your life. Standing there with a big media badge on them, is not a threat to your life.

Maybe you should re-access your bullshit notion of "innocence"?

You continue to set new standards for stupidity. A soldier can view an attack on his country as an attack on himself, and that means he can use deadly force whenever necessary to protect his country, in this case, to protect the fence that protects Israeli civilians from being attacked by Palestinian terrorists.

Israel need to protect its illegal settler colonial project.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You continue to set new standards for stupidity. A soldier can view an attack on his country as an attack on himself, and that means he can use deadly force whenever necessary to protect his country, in this case, to protect the fence that protects Israeli civilians from being attacked by Palestinian terrorists.

Throwing a rock is not an attack on your country, or your life. For someone who holds such extremist views as yourself, maybe better off living in the Weimar Republic?

BTW, its not a fence, you moron, it's a concrete wall.

Black smoke rises from tires burned by Gaza protesters at the border with Israel, with Israeli soldiers seen in the foreground, Friday, April 13, 2018. (AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)


WHERE is that concrete wall ????

Now try to discuss the protests in the proper thread and leave this one for what it was intended for.

Saudi Prince, not the only one, thinks that the Palestinian leaders should have accepted any of the deals they were offered.

"This is not a peaceful protest."

It is not a peaceful occupation.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Obviously, "innocent" is another word you don't understand.

You can only use lethal force when your own life is threatened or the threat is imminent. Standing there throwing a rock, or burning a tire, or yelling at your wailing Iron Curtain, are not threats to your life. Standing there with a big media badge on them, is not a threat to your life.

Maybe you should re-access your bullshit notion of "innocence"?

You continue to set new standards for stupidity. A soldier can view an attack on his country as an attack on himself, and that means he can use deadly force whenever necessary to protect his country, in this case, to protect the fence that protects Israeli civilians from being attacked by Palestinian terrorists.

Israel need to protect its illegal settler colonial project.

It is your Palestinian mentality that the Saudi Prince is talking about.

That is why you understand nothing and continue to post nonsense.

Israel is a legal State. And it has the papers to prove it, you like it or not. It is made of the indigenous Jewish People/Nation which has lived on the land for 3800 years.

And many intelligent Muslims have and are acknowledging it, and speaking out loud.

Your childish outbursts is not going to change the wave, which is not going on the direction of Israel, in a positive way.

By all means, Israel is BY ALL MEANS necessary, like any other country .....going to protect its borders and its citizens and residents.

Get your pacifier out.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Obviously, "innocent" is another word you don't understand.

You can only use lethal force when your own life is threatened or the threat is imminent. Standing there throwing a rock, or burning a tire, or yelling at your wailing Iron Curtain, are not threats to your life. Standing there with a big media badge on them, is not a threat to your life.

Maybe you should re-access your bullshit notion of "innocence"?

You continue to set new standards for stupidity. A soldier can view an attack on his country as an attack on himself, and that means he can use deadly force whenever necessary to protect his country, in this case, to protect the fence that protects Israeli civilians from being attacked by Palestinian terrorists.

Israel need to protect its illegal settler colonial project.

It is your Palestinian mentality that the Saudi Prince is talking about.

That is why you understand nothing and continue to post nonsense.

Israel is a legal State. And it has the papers to prove it, you like it or not. It is made of the indigenous Jewish People/Nation which has lived on the land for 3800 years.

And many intelligent Muslims have and are acknowledging it, and speaking out loud.

Your childish outbursts is not going to change the wave, which is not going on the direction of Israel, in a positive way.

By all means, Israel is BY ALL MEANS necessary, like any other country .....going to protect its borders and its citizens and residents.

Get your pacifier out.

If the Saudi Prince is so hot for the Palestinians to give their country to Israel, why doesn't he give his country to Israel?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Obviously, "innocent" is another word you don't understand.

You can only use lethal force when your own life is threatened or the threat is imminent. Standing there throwing a rock, or burning a tire, or yelling at your wailing Iron Curtain, are not threats to your life. Standing there with a big media badge on them, is not a threat to your life.

Maybe you should re-access your bullshit notion of "innocence"?

You continue to set new standards for stupidity. A soldier can view an attack on his country as an attack on himself, and that means he can use deadly force whenever necessary to protect his country, in this case, to protect the fence that protects Israeli civilians from being attacked by Palestinian terrorists.

Israel need to protect its illegal settler colonial project.

It is your Palestinian mentality that the Saudi Prince is talking about.

That is why you understand nothing and continue to post nonsense.

Israel is a legal State. And it has the papers to prove it, you like it or not. It is made of the indigenous Jewish People/Nation which has lived on the land for 3800 years.

And many intelligent Muslims have and are acknowledging it, and speaking out loud.

Your childish outbursts is not going to change the wave, which is not going on the direction of Israel, in a positive way.

By all means, Israel is BY ALL MEANS necessary, like any other country .....going to protect its borders and its citizens and residents.

Get your pacifier out.

If the Saudi Prince is so hot for the Palestinians to give their country to Israel, why doesn't he give his country to Israel?

Wow, what an absolutely DUMB response.

APPLAUSE !!!!

 

[Shusha]

The 'offer' that needs acceptance before we can begin to discuss details is the offer of a lasting and meaningful peace. That has never been accepted by the Arab Palestinians.

Accepting the offer of peace would mean:

No more calling for return of Arab Palesintian descendants to Israel.

No more antisemitic remarks by the leader of the Palestinian government.

No more incitement to attack or breach international boundaries by the leader of the Palestinian government. No more calling for marching on Jerusalem ripping the hearts out of Jews along the way.

No more denial of Jewish history.

No more re-directing resources to violence against Israel.

No more learned helplessness where the Arab Palestinians insist they can do nothing. Palestinians, first and formost have to accept that they are not helpless.

 

[Shusha]

Let me clarify the 'helpless' part. They are completely and totally helpless to achieve a goal of destroying Israel.

They are not in the least helpless in achieving a goal of friendly normative relations with all of their neighbors, including Israel.

 

[Linkiloo]

You continue to set new standards for stupidity. A soldier can view an attack on his country as an attack on himself, and that means he can use deadly force whenever necessary to protect his country, in this case, to protect the fence that protects Israeli civilians from being attacked by Palestinian terrorists.

Throwing a rock is not an attack on your country, or your life. For someone who holds such extremist views as yourself, maybe better off living in the Weimar Republic?

BTW, its not a fence, you moron, it's a concrete wall.

Black smoke rises from tires burned by Gaza protesters at the border with Israel, with Israeli soldiers seen in the foreground, Friday, April 13, 2018. (AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)


WHERE is that concrete wall ????

Now try to discuss the protests in the proper thread and leave this one for what it was intended for.

Saudi Prince, not the only one, thinks that the Palestinian leaders should have accepted any of the deals they were offered.

"This is not a peaceful protest."

It is not a peaceful occupation.

I guess that makes it all fair then

 

[admonit]

The 'offer' that needs acceptance before we can begin to discuss details is the offer of a lasting and meaningful peace. That has never been accepted by the Arab Palestinians.

Accepting the offer of peace would mean:

No more calling for return of Arab Palesintian descendants to Israel.

No more antisemitic remarks by the leader of the Palestinian government.

No more incitement to attack or breach international boundaries by the leader of the Palestinian government. No more calling for marching on Jerusalem ripping the hearts out of Jews along the way.

No more denial of Jewish history.

No more re-directing resources to violence against Israel.

No more learned helplessness where the Arab Palestinians insist they can do nothing. Palestinians, first and formost have to accept that they are not helpless.

Actually you offer them just to change their mentality. OK. Good luck.

 

[Hollie]

Obviously, "innocent" is another word you don't understand.

You can only use lethal force when your own life is threatened or the threat is imminent. Standing there throwing a rock, or burning a tire, or yelling at your wailing Iron Curtain, are not threats to your life. Standing there with a big media badge on them, is not a threat to your life.

Maybe you should re-access your bullshit notion of "innocence"?

You continue to set new standards for stupidity. A soldier can view an attack on his country as an attack on himself, and that means he can use deadly force whenever necessary to protect his country, in this case, to protect the fence that protects Israeli civilians from being attacked by Palestinian terrorists.

Israel need to protect its illegal settler colonial project.

It is your Palestinian mentality that the Saudi Prince is talking about.

That is why you understand nothing and continue to post nonsense.

Israel is a legal State. And it has the papers to prove it, you like it or not. It is made of the indigenous Jewish People/Nation which has lived on the land for 3800 years.

And many intelligent Muslims have and are acknowledging it, and speaking out loud.

Your childish outbursts is not going to change the wave, which is not going on the direction of Israel, in a positive way.

By all means, Israel is BY ALL MEANS necessary, like any other country .....going to protect its borders and its citizens and residents.

Get your pacifier out.

If the Saudi Prince is so hot for the Palestinians to give their country to Israel, why doesn't he give his country to Israel?

What “country” does either of the competing Islamic terrorist franchises (Hamas or Fatah), have to give to anyone?

 

[USAF 2023]

Obviously, "innocent" is another word you don't understand.

You can only use lethal force when your own life is threatened or the threat is imminent. Standing there throwing a rock, or burning a tire, or yelling at your wailing Iron Curtain, are not threats to your life. Standing there with a big media badge on them, is not a threat to your life.

Maybe you should re-access your bullshit notion of "innocence"?

You continue to set new standards for stupidity. A soldier can view an attack on his country as an attack on himself, and that means he can use deadly force whenever necessary to protect his country, in this case, to protect the fence that protects Israeli civilians from being attacked by Palestinian terrorists.

Israel need to protect its illegal settler colonial project.

It is your Palestinian mentality that the Saudi Prince is talking about.

That is why you understand nothing and continue to post nonsense.

Israel is a legal State. And it has the papers to prove it, you like it or not. It is made of the indigenous Jewish People/Nation which has lived on the land for 3800 years.

And many intelligent Muslims have and are acknowledging it, and speaking out loud.

Your childish outbursts is not going to change the wave, which is not going on the direction of Israel, in a positive way.

By all means, Israel is BY ALL MEANS necessary, like any other country .....going to protect its borders and its citizens and residents.

Get your pacifier out.

If the Saudi Prince is so hot for the Palestinians to give their country to Israel, why doesn't he give his country to Israel?

Another stupid remark. Was that Olmert’s offer? He was willing to give the Palestinians almost everything they asked for!
Now the flip side; Why should Israel give in to all Palestinian demands knowing in time it could annex them to “ Palestine” and not being allowed access to their Holy Sites?

 

[USAF 2023]

The 'offer' that needs acceptance before we can begin to discuss details is the offer of a lasting and meaningful peace. That has never been accepted by the Arab Palestinians.

Accepting the offer of peace would mean:

No more calling for return of Arab Palesintian descendants to Israel.

No more antisemitic remarks by the leader of the Palestinian government.

No more incitement to attack or breach international boundaries by the leader of the Palestinian government. No more calling for marching on Jerusalem ripping the hearts out of Jews along the way.

No more denial of Jewish history.

No more re-directing resources to violence against Israel.

No more learned helplessness where the Arab Palestinians insist they can do nothing. Palestinians, first and formost have to accept that they are not helpless.

Hi m

They don’t want 98 percent; they want 100 percent, “ Right of Return” which could in time make the Israelis the minority,and demanding they have control over a possible highway between Gaza and the W. Bank which is on Israeli territory , PLUS release of Palestinian prisoners. They are deliberately making demands they know Israel Is not going to agree to .

They have a right to 100% of the land that is not Israels. As far as the road between Gaza and the WB, why don't the Israeli's make it a "toll road" and allow constant access. That would be incoming revenue, which is a good thing.

The Palestinian prisoners are in administrative detention, which is a war crime. They need to release all political prisoners and stop beating children under 12 that are in custody.

Populations under occupation cannot make demands on the occupier.

And finally, in regards to potential Jewish minority, don't blame the Pals because they **** more than you do!

Exactly why there will be no “ Right of Return” Almost all of the West Bank, all of Gaza, their Capital in E. Jerusalem with the Israelis keeping control of just over 5 percent which would include their Holy Sites, plus some control inside the 67 Borders wasn’t enough? Regarding your comment about a Toll Road between Gaza and the W. Bank the Palestinians are demanding total control of it. Legally, why are they entitled? Holding those Prisoners who killed Israelis are against the law? **** YOU and **** THEM !!!

 

[USAF 2023]

Let me clarify the 'helpless' part. They are completely and totally helpless to achieve a goal of destroying Israel.

They are not in the least helpless in achieving a goal of friendly normative relations with all of their neighbors, including Israel.

Their goal is to destroy Israel from the inside and what’s to stop Hamas from entering? One more reason for no “ Right of Return”