Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered

[P F Tinmore]

In accounts of the July 2000 Camp David summit and the following months of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, we often hear about Ehud Barak's unprecedented offer and Yasser Arafat's uncompromising "no". Israel is said to have made a historic proposal, which the Palestinians, once again seizing the opportunity to miss an opportunity, turned down. The failure to reach a final agreement is attributed, without notable dissent, to Yasser Arafat.

(full article online)

Camp David: a tragedy of errors

What was the clunker in that offer?

 

[Hollie]

In accounts of the July 2000 Camp David summit and the following months of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, we often hear about Ehud Barak's unprecedented offer and Yasser Arafat's uncompromising "no". Israel is said to have made a historic proposal, which the Palestinians, once again seizing the opportunity to miss an opportunity, turned down. The failure to reach a final agreement is attributed, without notable dissent, to Yasser Arafat.

(full article online)

Camp David: a tragedy of errors

What was the clunker in that offer?

Islam.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Yet another lie from you. You complained that people were already living there as if you thought having a Jew move in your neighborhood was a terrible thing. There is nothing to any of your posts but bigotry. Again and again you demonstrate how vast and profound you ignorance of the area and situation is and you you maintain strong opinions based on this ignorance. The arrival of the European Jews did not displace the Arabs, but their violent response to the Jewish immigrants did lead to a war that did displace them. Their problems are all self inflicted.

Alright asshole, do you know who Ahad Ha'am was? Would you call him a bigot? Now, regarding your comment about the "violent response to the Jewish immigrants", I do give you credit for saying it was a "response" by the Arabs. And what were they responding to? As the famous Zionist Humanist said...

"... Ahad Ha'am warned that the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...'
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"They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty"

Those are the words of a Zionist living there at the time. Now call him a BIGOT!

Since neither you nor I know what he was referring to, this means nothing. You are clearly a bigot, and the only good thing that can be said about you is that your need to try to deny shows you are ashamed of what you are.

 

[toomuchtime_]

If you were not quite so stupid you might have said that in your opinion Israel should not have jurisdiction over the buffer zone, but clearly the fact on the ground is that Israel does have jurisdiction over it.

That might be the reality, but it is in violation of international law. Even the ICC has said so.

The reality is that the ICC never said such a thing and you are as always full of shit.

 

[teddyearp]

You're the fuckers who moved here; they're the fuckers who were here.

Where's here for you Billo? South Street in North Town? LOL!

 

[Billo_Really]

Which is exactly why Jews have been persecuted by the "White Catholics" for 1700 years.

Because Catholics don't give a SHIT about humans.

Only about their own pathetic salvation.

Turraloo....

What does that have to do with the Saudi prince?

 

[Billo_Really]

Since neither you nor I know what he was referring to, this means nothing. You are clearly a bigot, and the only good thing that can be said about you is that your need to try to deny shows you are ashamed of what you are.

We know exactly who he was talking about. The "settlers" he was referring to, were the migrating Zionists moving into Palestine. The "natives" he was referring to, were the indigenous Palestinian-Arabs who had been living there for generations.

And you're a fuckin' liar! Who the **** do you think he was talking about, when he said "They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty"?
You know exactly who he was and you are too ***** to admit it.

Now if you fast forward to today, you and that Saudi prince are still treating them with hostility and cruelty; and you are most definitely boasting about it.

 

[Billo_Really]

The reality is that the ICC never said such a thing and you are as always full of shit.

Oh really?

U.N. court rules West Bank barrier illegal

World court tells Israel to tear down illegal wall

10 years after the ICJ ruling, the illegal Separation Wall remains standing
​

Idiot!

​

 

[Billo_Really]

You're the fuckers who moved here; they're the fuckers who were here.

Where's here for you Billo? South Street in North Town? LOL!

If you're talking about Long Beach, South Street is in North Town. Unless you consider North Town, north of Artesia. But no, I don't live there. But I do live in Long Beach. Or due to all the gang violence, we natives like to call it, Strong Beach.

 

[member]

Yet another lie from you. You complained that people were already living there as if you thought having a Jew move in your neighborhood was a terrible thing. There is nothing to any of your posts but bigotry. Again and again you demonstrate how vast and profound you ignorance of the area and situation is and you you maintain strong opinions based on this ignorance. The arrival of the European Jews did not displace the Arabs, but their violent response to the Jewish immigrants did lead to a war that did displace them. Their problems are all self inflicted.

Alright asshole, do you know who Ahad Ha'am was? Would you call him a bigot? Now, regarding your comment about the "violent response to the Jewish immigrants", I do give you credit for saying it was a "response" by the Arabs. And what were they responding to? As the famous Zionist Humanist said...

"... Ahad Ha'am warned that the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...'
​

"They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty"

Those are the words of a Zionist living there at the time. Now call him a BIGOT!

Since neither you nor I know what he was referring to, this means nothing. You are clearly a bigot, and the only good thing that can be said about you is that your need to try to deny shows you are ashamed of what you are.

"You are clearly a bigot."

I dunno...[de'jaVu] this 'calling someone a bigot' - it's big red flag ... this bigot farce -- we're all folks who like living with their own kind, you can be a goand usually...the fingah-pointer [[you ]] is the biggest fricken bigot of all...... ca'mere...how 'bout a hug..

". . .and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination -- They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights."

normal people denounce inhumane brutality against ...everything. people, animals, nature...

"They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights."

what about the bigger picture: MUSLIMS/ARABS ...live better in israel than they do in "their own brethen's countries."


and...this: "deprive them of their rights, cruelty, hostility": it's as if you're talking about "THE ARAB WOMEN FOLK." you know what i mean miss/mr.....? [the hypocrisy of it all).

 

[Billo_Really]

"You are clearly a bigot."

I dunno...[de'jaVu] this 'calling someone a bigot' - it's big red flag ... this bigot farce -- we're all folks who like living with their own kind, you can be a goand usually...the fingah-pointer [[you ]] is the biggest fricken bigot of all...... ca'mere...how 'bout a hug..

". . .and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination -- They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights."

normal people denounce inhumane brutality against ...everything. people, animals, nature...

Yeah, but what happens when normal people denounce Israel? They get hit with a shit-storm of bullshit from people who think its okay to treat others like garbage.

And when they try that shit with me, I'm fine with it. Because I know I'm a bigger asshole than they are.

"They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights."

what about the bigger picture: MUSLIMS/ARABS ...live better in israel than they do in "their own brethen's countries."

No they're not, they are treated as 2nd class citizens.

and...this: "deprive them of their rights, cruelty, hostility": it's as if you're talking about "THE ARAB WOMEN FOLK." you know what i mean miss/mr.....? [the hypocrisy of it all).

What's this "as if" bullshit? We're not talking about "as if". We're talking about Zionists moving into the area and treating the local residents like garbage.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Since neither you nor I know what he was referring to, this means nothing. You are clearly a bigot, and the only good thing that can be said about you is that your need to try to deny shows you are ashamed of what you are.

We know exactly who he was talking about. The "settlers" he was referring to, were the migrating Zionists moving into Palestine. The "natives" he was referring to, were the indigenous Palestinian-Arabs who had been living there for generations.

And you're a fuckin' liar! Who the **** do you think he was talking about, when he said "They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty"?
You know exactly who he was and you are too ***** to admit it.

Now if you fast forward to today, you and that Saudi prince are still treating them with hostility and cruelty; and you are most definitely boasting about it.

Again you demonstrate how stupid, ignorant and bigoted you are. He wrote those words in 1891 while he was still living in Europe and didn't move to Israel until 1922, so when he wrote those words, he had no first hand knowledge of what was going on in Israel. Were you not such a stupid, ignorant bigot you would have known this, but because you are a bigot, you have no interest in facts and are only interested in finding a Jew who was critical of other Jews.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The reality is that the ICC never said such a thing and you are as always full of shit.

Oh really?

U.N. court rules West Bank barrier illegal

World court tells Israel to tear down illegal wall

10 years after the ICJ ruling, the illegal Separation Wall remains standing
​

Idiot!

​

lol How stupid can you be. Your link is about the ICJ not the ICC. Your ignorance is truly vast and profound.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Yet another lie from you. You complained that people were already living there as if you thought having a Jew move in your neighborhood was a terrible thing. There is nothing to any of your posts but bigotry. Again and again you demonstrate how vast and profound you ignorance of the area and situation is and you you maintain strong opinions based on this ignorance. The arrival of the European Jews did not displace the Arabs, but their violent response to the Jewish immigrants did lead to a war that did displace them. Their problems are all self inflicted.

Alright asshole, do you know who Ahad Ha'am was? Would you call him a bigot? Now, regarding your comment about the "violent response to the Jewish immigrants", I do give you credit for saying it was a "response" by the Arabs. And what were they responding to? As the famous Zionist Humanist said...

"... Ahad Ha'am warned that the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...'
​

"They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty"

Those are the words of a Zionist living there at the time. Now call him a BIGOT!

Since neither you nor I know what he was referring to, this means nothing. You are clearly a bigot, and the only good thing that can be said about you is that your need to try to deny shows you are ashamed of what you are.

"You are clearly a bigot."

I dunno...[de'jaVu] this 'calling someone a bigot' - it's big red flag ... this bigot farce -- we're all folks who like living with their own kind, you can be a goand usually...the fingah-pointer [[you ]] is the biggest fricken bigot of all...... ca'mere...how 'bout a hug..

". . .and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination -- They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights."

normal people denounce inhumane brutality against ...everything. people, animals, nature...

"They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights."

what about the bigger picture: MUSLIMS/ARABS ...live better in israel than they do in "their own brethen's countries."


and...this: "deprive them of their rights, cruelty, hostility": it's as if you're talking about "THE ARAB WOMEN FOLK." you know what i mean miss/mr.....? [the hypocrisy of it all).

A bigot is some one who holds strong opinions that are not based on facts, his posts clearly demonstrate that his opinions are not based on facts, indeed, the show he has no interest in the facts, so calling him a bigot is properly descriptive.

 

[Billo_Really]

Again you demonstrate how stupid, ignorant and bigoted you are. He wrote those words in 1891 while he was still living in Europe and didn't move to Israel until 1922, so when he wrote those words, he had no first hand knowledge of what was going on in Israel. Were you not such a stupid, ignorant bigot you would have known this, but because you are a bigot, you have no interest in facts and are only interested in finding a Jew who was critical of other Jews.

So you're saying Ahad Ha'am was full of shit? What makes you think he didn't know what was going on in Palestine? He's a Zionist. He ought to know. But you say he didn't. Why?

 

[Billo_Really]

lol How stupid can you be. Your link is about the ICJ not the ICC. Your ignorance is truly vast and profound.

So they changed their name from the Criminal Court, to the Criminal Court of Justice. Big deal. It's the same organization.

 

[Billo_Really]

A bigot is some one who holds strong opinions that are not based on facts, his posts clearly demonstrate that his opinions are not based on facts, indeed, the show he has no interest in the facts, so calling him a bigot is properly descriptive.

Aside from the links I provide, there are no facts.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Again you demonstrate how stupid, ignorant and bigoted you are. He wrote those words in 1891 while he was still living in Europe and didn't move to Israel until 1922, so when he wrote those words, he had no first hand knowledge of what was going on in Israel. Were you not such a stupid, ignorant bigot you would have known this, but because you are a bigot, you have no interest in facts and are only interested in finding a Jew who was critical of other Jews.

So you're saying Ahad Ha'am was full of shit? What makes you think he didn't know what was going on in Palestine? He's a Zionist. He ought to know. But you say he didn't. Why?

He wrote the words in 1891 and didn't move to Israel until 1922, so he had no first hand knowledge of what was going on. Even some one as stupid as you ought to be able to understand that.

 

[toomuchtime_]

lol How stupid can you be. Your link is about the ICJ not the ICC. Your ignorance is truly vast and profound.

So they changed their name from the Criminal Court, to the Criminal Court of Justice. Big deal. It's the same organization.

Again, you show a truly astonishing level of ignorance. They are two different organizations. I don't think I've even met anyone before quite as stupid and ignorant as you are.

 

[toomuchtime_]

A bigot is some one who holds strong opinions that are not based on facts, his posts clearly demonstrate that his opinions are not based on facts, indeed, the show he has no interest in the facts, so calling him a bigot is properly descriptive.

Aside from the links I provide, there are no facts.

Including the links you provide, you present no facts. For example, you claim the ICC ruled that the buffer zone is not under Israeli jurisdiction and then provide a link that the ICJ made such a ruling and then lie and claim the ICJ and the ICC are the same organization. On top of that you demonstrate how utterly ignorant you are of the all the facts, since the ICJ made no such ruling but offered an advisory opinion on the barrier between Judea and Samaria and pre 1967 Israel and not on the Gaza fence or buffer zone.