Safe Abortions

[Luissa]

I was just doing some research and ran across this...

Abortion Parties....sheesh


My First Abortion Party | Gender | AlterNet

Yep, us slutty liberal women use are EBT card to buy porn, get drunk and screw men. We plan it so we all get pregnant at the same time, then we plan an abortion party. It is just so wonderful, that we even have fruity drinks with umbrellas.
We can still drink, and have been drinking the whole pregnancy because we are getting an abortion anyways. So after the drinking, when we start bleeding, and passing blood clots we share pads. And take E. The E helps keep the party going, you know?

Did ya have a funnel and tube for the beer? Have a coctail named the abortion? A pin the suction on the fetus game? Plastic baby in the cake and whoever gets the baby gets their abortion first?... cuz THATS an abortion party

We give out oxycotin out as party favors.

 

[syrenn]

Yep, us slutty liberal women use are EBT card to buy porn, get drunk and screw men. We plan it so we all get pregnant at the same time, then we plan an abortion party. It is just so wonderful, that we even have fruity drinks with umbrellas.
We can still drink, and have been drinking the whole pregnancy because we are getting an abortion anyways. So after the drinking, when we start bleeding, and passing blood clots we share pads. And take E. The E helps keep the party going, you know?

Did ya have a funnel and tube for the beer? Have a coctail named the abortion? A pin the suction on the fetus game? Plastic baby in the cake and whoever gets the baby gets their abortion first?... cuz THATS an abortion party

We give out oxycotin out as party favors.

Morning after pills in the candy dishes?

 

[Shelzin]

Are you interested in debating, or at least learning another persons view on this? Or is this just one of those things for you that... It doesn't matter what anyone says?

Otherwise I'm happy to address those if you are inclined to actually listen and debate the points.

You seem like a straight shooter... And I really don't want to waste my time putting it out there if it won't matter at all to you.

Edit: Going to bed... Check in on this tomorrow.

Well, lets see if you can be honest .. when does the timeline of a human life begin?

For me it's conception, at that point you have potential life in egg and sperm but once they join, all you really need is time, oxygen and food, which is really all humans need to age (sure other things like shelter, love, ect help), but you really only need those three things from when you are conceived to when you die. I look at the prebirth is stages in life just like going from infant to toddler to adolecent, to teen to adult

I agree with Buckeye.

*reads rest of the thread*

 

[Shelzin]

LOL A fetus, ok, so it's not a person, interesting, but hey a psyco criminal is a person (I dont think so, I look at em like animals, how about you?)

So to sum up you like to kill the most defenseless to continue to party and not people that kill dozens including 6 year olds.....yeah sounds like liberal logic to me.

Are you interested in debating, or at least learning another persons view on this? Or is this just one of those things for you that... It doesn't matter what anyone says?

Otherwise I'm happy to address those if you are inclined to actually listen and debate the points.

You seem like a straight shooter... And I really don't want to waste my time putting it out there if it won't matter at all to you.

Edit: Going to bed... Check in on this tomorrow.

no I really want to know how people see other rape, brutalise others and say....well we shouldnt kill them, that would be mean....just not logical at all.

Oh... There is some logic to it however that doesn't mean I necessarily agree with Noomi...

Why should a killer get to live after they've killed someone else and brought grief to a family or families. I mean people that want to coddle the criminal never focus on the families and the victum, it's always how do we save the savage BARBARIAN (That's Noomi's word) she thinks it barbaric to execute murderers but not to mow down 12 people?

I think it has to do with your qualification of murder and theirs... Mine even. I believe it is possible to kill a human without it being murder.

EDIT: I am only for the death penalty for FIRST degree murder.

I don't believe we should ever apply the death penalty as a sentence. I do believe that everyone that is in prison for life without parole should have the option of death.

But lets get back to what this is really about in regards to murder and "barbarians" as it were.

Normally I'd build an argument from a series of questions to help you understand my thoughts on this matter kind of like what Lumpy did. I've found it's easier to get someone to understand, although usually not agree which is fine, on why I think the way I do. We'll try that but I'll make a long post if needed considering the chaos of this forum.

Short story and question... No wrong answers.

A man, named... Jake... He's an idiot who rides a motorcycle without a helmet and gets into an accident. A horrific accident lands him in the ER. Family is called with the news that there is little hope of him. Family show up at hospital, and Jake is already out of surgery. He's hooked up to no machines that prolong life, only monitor it save for the drip that gives him fluids. Doctors say it's a waiting game... They wait.

Jakes body shows signs of healing... Bruises lessen, swelling goes down... Family is hopeful. Things are looking better. Doctor comes in, says he has bad news. The body is surviving on it's own. But his brain no longer works. He is brain dead. The organ that controls thought no longer works, he will never wake up.

Question: Is Jake alive or dead?

 

[koshergrl]

He's alive.
Every life has a purpose.

 

[Shelzin]

He's alive.

Is he? So he must forever take up a hospital bed and be afforded the basic needs of life until such time as he dies naturally?

You are saying that Jake is alive?

Every life has a purpose.

*nods* I'll kill insects and not feel bad about it. Mice... Break their necks/back with wire traps... I think that statement without surrounding text is next to pointless. Obviously I, like most humans, will kill when it's beneficial to us.

Now... Those insects and mice have more brain power and personality than Jake will ever have again. Why should I feel bad about killing it?

 

[koshergrl]

Maybe their lives existed to give you the experience of killing them.

Anyway, sorry, I forget I have to explain every single time that human life is precious just because it's human life.

 

[Shelzin]

Maybe their lives existed to give you the experience of killing them.

So...................... Is Jake dead or not?

Anyway, sorry, I forget I have to explain every single time that human life is precious just because it's human life.

Sorry, I forget that I have to explain myself to the point of stupidity to people who look for something that matches their political views first, rather than what actually makes logical sense.

In the scenario I gave I would suggest that Jake is dead. Jake's body, which is not Jake, is alive... but Jake is dead. It's a living body, the lights are on with nobody home. The wheels are turning, but the hamster is dead. Do you agree or disagree with that assertion?

 

[koshergrl]

I disagree. You say yourself he's in a living body...if he's in a living body, obviously he's alive.

I'm not interested in changing the definition of the word "alive" any more than I'm interested in changing the definition of the word "baby" or "marriage" or "kill".

 

[Mr. President]

while ur voting to save murders from the death penalty make sure to kill of those kids before they can do something good for civilization. but those criminals really shake things up so we gotta keep them around.

I approve this message, It's unreal that liberals like to kill kids but not psyco murderers....I've never understood that.

We are opposed to killing people, we have no such beef with a fetus.

I have no beef with killing grown ass men and women who made decisions to bring themselves in front of the bullet. I do however oppose killing children who have done nothing to take away from this world.

PS. thank your mom for not aborting you

 

[Shelzin]

I disagree. You say yourself he's in a living body...if he's in a living body, obviously he's alive.

Who's in a living body? Jake? No... Jake is gone. All that is left is a body.

I'm not interested in changing the definition of the word "alive" any more than I'm interested in changing the definition of the word "baby" or "marriage" or "kill".

Nor I... I believe Jake is dead... Jake's body is still alive. It's alive... Sure... No doubt about that. But the person that was there is gone... never coming back. Body is alive, but the organ we call is brain is dead, non-functioning, the thing that makes Jake, who he is, is dead.

With that in mind... Why should I care if the body lives or dies other than it's a drain on resources?

 

[koshergrl]

I dont' care what you believe. You've said yourself, repeatedly, that he's alive.

You want to pretend "alive" means something other than what it does...go ahead. But that doesn't make it so.

Likewise, your "belief" has no bearing on reality, except to you. Go ahead and run out and kill all those you see as drains on resources and see how your defense of "I believe it's okay to kill them!" defense washes.

 

[Shelzin]

I dont' care what you believe. You've said yourself, repeatedly, that he's alive.

You want to pretend "alive" means something other than what it does...go ahead. But that doesn't make it so.

Likewise, your "belief" has no bearing on reality, except to you. Go ahead and run out and kill all those you see as drains on resources and see how your defense of "I believe it's okay to kill them!" defense washes.

Ok... So you believe it's murder to kill the body who is brain dead? Correct?

That's a really weird stance to take... And while I respect that you have that stance, I think you are an idiot out of touch with anything considered reality.

I quote myself:
Sorry, I forget that I have to explain myself to the point of stupidity to people who look for something that matches their political views first, rather than what actually makes logical sense.

I was just trying to shock you into having a logical discussion. But it seems the above is true after all. It sucks being right sometimes. Ahhh... well...

 

[Caroljo]

You should probably know more about the circumstances that led to the woman having an abortion before you go on a moral crusade.

due tell.. hey I'm for em if her life was in danger or rape/incest, but if it was for convience, then ZERO sympathy. People need to know how to be responsible and get stuff done, but if she was in danger of dying or raped then I would feel sorry for her, but since those cases are very very rare, I play the percentages.

What if she couldn't afford another baby? Lifers don't care about the circumstances, all they care about are fetuses.

And how shallow that you would have no sympathy for a poor woman who died.

If she couldn't afford it, someone would adopt it. There, that was easy!!

 

[koshergrl]

Oh yay, another pseudo intellectual. Just what the site needs.

 

[koshergrl]

I dont' care what you believe. You've said yourself, repeatedly, that he's alive.

You want to pretend "alive" means something other than what it does...go ahead. But that doesn't make it so.

Likewise, your "belief" has no bearing on reality, except to you. Go ahead and run out and kill all those you see as drains on resources and see how your defense of "I believe it's okay to kill them!" defense washes.

Ok... So you believe it's murder to kill the body who is brain dead? Correct?

That's a really weird stance to take... And while I respect that you have that stance, I think you are an idiot out of touch with anything considered reality.

I quote myself:
Sorry, I forget that I have to explain myself to the point of stupidity to people who look for something that matches their political views first, rather than what actually makes logical sense.

I was just trying to shock you into having a logical discussion. But it seems the above is true after all. It sucks being right sometimes. Ahhh... well...

What on earth is shocking about your vapid contribution? It's the same old/same old.

 

[Luissa]

Did ya have a funnel and tube for the beer? Have a coctail named the abortion? A pin the suction on the fetus game? Plastic baby in the cake and whoever gets the baby gets their abortion first?... cuz THATS an abortion party

We give out oxycotin out as party favors.

Morning after pills in the candy dishes?

No, because that would prevent the next abortion party.

 

[Shelzin]

I dont' care what you believe. You've said yourself, repeatedly, that he's alive.

You want to pretend "alive" means something other than what it does...go ahead. But that doesn't make it so.

Likewise, your "belief" has no bearing on reality, except to you. Go ahead and run out and kill all those you see as drains on resources and see how your defense of "I believe it's okay to kill them!" defense washes.

Ok... So you believe it's murder to kill the body who is brain dead? Correct?

That's a really weird stance to take... And while I respect that you have that stance, I think you are an idiot out of touch with anything considered reality.

I quote myself:
Sorry, I forget that I have to explain myself to the point of stupidity to people who look for something that matches their political views first, rather than what actually makes logical sense.

I was just trying to shock you into having a logical discussion. But it seems the above is true after all. It sucks being right sometimes. Ahhh... well...

What on earth is shocking about your vapid contribution? It's the same old/same old.

If you don't actually address what is being said I'm sure you are going to have that quite a lot. But you don't have anyone else to blame but yourself on that one darlin.

But if you aren't open to ever going to change your mind or address what someone else is actually saying, what is the point in replying at all?

 

[koshergrl]

I did address the pertinent part of what you said.

The rest is just vapid nonsense, and nothing that deserves any more consideration.

 

[koshergrl]

I ignore my dog when she yaps mindlessly, too.