Russian and American History: Tied Together

[Moonglow]

PC's OP from the very beginning is that the US should have stayed out of the European phase of the world war. Her failure is predicated on her mistaken notion that both Germany and the USSR would have failed, when in fact the USSR, minus Germany developing an atom bomb, would have won and conquered the continent's western mainland right to the Atlantic Ocean. If Germany had developed the bomb, the US would have been held hostage along with the rest of the world.

Her true purpose merely defames one of the three greatest American presidents in history as selected by knowledgeable historians and lay persons.

But one must discard strategy for the short term goal of advancing Ronald Reagan to the top of the totem pole...

The greatest President in the last hundred years.
Mount Rushmore awaits Reagan's visage....
...where is Borglum when you need him!

I doubt Reagan will go on Rushmore simply because he voted for FDR. Seem it would take more than an FDR vote to put anyone on Rushmore, after all most Americans voted for FDR four times, too many for Rushmore?

These threads make the rounds about the same time as Aunt Flo does every month....and from the same person from the Heritage Foundation is paid to post it...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your posts are full of errors, we always point them out, you always say "no no" and not answer the rebuttals, but you do attack us personally. This is the part we live for, so other posters new to you will get to this point and go, "she is a dipshit." Yes.

"Your posts are full of errors, we always point them out,..."

And here is a perfect of example of how a low-life lying gutter snipe posts: clearly, there are no such errors, or 'it' would have give examples.


Time and again, when folks realize they have been skewered, their language falls to the vulgar. It's one of those hard to hide psychological tells....your anger at being bested leaks out as vulgarity.

That is why I never have to resort to same.

Isn't that true "fakey"?

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC's OP from the very beginning is that the US should have stayed out of the European phase of the world war. Her failure is predicated on her mistaken notion that both Germany and the USSR would have failed, when in fact the USSR, minus Germany developing an atom bomb, would have won and conquered the continent's western mainland right to the Atlantic Ocean. If Germany had developed the bomb, the US would have been held hostage along with the rest of the world.

Her true purpose merely defames one of the three greatest American presidents in history as selected by knowledgeable historians and lay persons.

But one must discard strategy for the short term goal of advancing Ronald Reagan to the top of the totem pole...

The greatest President in the last hundred years.
Mount Rushmore awaits Reagan's visage....
...where is Borglum when you need him!

I doubt Reagan will go on Rushmore simply because he voted for FDR. Seem it would take more than an FDR vote to put anyone on Rushmore, after all most Americans voted for FDR four times, too many for Rushmore?

"...simply because he voted for FDR."

Unlike you, he learned from his mistakes.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC's OP from the very beginning is that the US should have stayed out of the European phase of the world war. Her failure is predicated on her mistaken notion that both Germany and the USSR would have failed, when in fact the USSR, minus Germany developing an atom bomb, would have won and conquered the continent's western mainland right to the Atlantic Ocean. If Germany had developed the bomb, the US would have been held hostage along with the rest of the world.

Her true purpose merely defames one of the three greatest American presidents in history as selected by knowledgeable historians and lay persons.

But one must discard strategy for the short term goal of advancing Ronald Reagan to the top of the totem pole...

The greatest President in the last hundred years.
Mount Rushmore awaits Reagan's visage....
...where is Borglum when you need him!

I doubt Reagan will go on Rushmore simply because he voted for FDR. Seem it would take more than an FDR vote to put anyone on Rushmore, after all most Americans voted for FDR four times, too many for Rushmore?

These threads make the rounds about the same time as Aunt Flo does every month....and from the same person from the Heritage Foundation is paid to post it...

See what I've taught you: you've learned not to try to dispute anything I post.

The pattern from the peanut gallery is always the same:

1. You hate the facts that I provide.

2. You grind your teeth and wish you could deny same.

3. You attempt to change the subject.

4. ...and try to attack lil' ol' me.
Your insults bounce off like a pebble off a speeding locomotive.

Casey Jones here!

 

[Camp]

Reagan will always be neutralized as a great President worthy of a National Memorial in DC let alone something like Mt Rushmore by his blunders and allowance of crimes that led to the birth and nurturing of terrorist groups as they grew through his terms in office. The Marine Barracks where Marines were ordered to carry unloaded weapons and ignore SOP security measures, the failure to respond appropriately to terrorist attacks that eventually led to PAN AM 103/Lockerbie, Iran Contra where negotiating with terrorist became acceptable, the arming and training of Contra death squads, the arming of Islamic warriors in Afghanistan that would eventually make possible the foundering of the Taliban and al Quada and the outright criminal corruption of his administration that is unequaled in American history.

 

[regent]

PC's OP from the very beginning is that the US should have stayed out of the European phase of the world war. Her failure is predicated on her mistaken notion that both Germany and the USSR would have failed, when in fact the USSR, minus Germany developing an atom bomb, would have won and conquered the continent's western mainland right to the Atlantic Ocean. If Germany had developed the bomb, the US would have been held hostage along with the rest of the world.

Her true purpose merely defames one of the three greatest American presidents in history as selected by knowledgeable historians and lay persons.

But one must discard strategy for the short term goal of advancing Ronald Reagan to the top of the totem pole...

The greatest President in the last hundred years.
Mount Rushmore awaits Reagan's visage....
...where is Borglum when you need him!

I doubt Reagan will go on Rushmore simply because he voted for FDR. Seem it would take more than an FDR vote to put anyone on Rushmore, after all most Americans voted for FDR four times, too many for Rushmore?

"...simply because he voted for FDR."

Unlike you, he learned from his mistakes.

If GE paid me what it paid Reagan I could have learned too, and I would even have been smart enough to not make remarks about TVA.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Reagan will always be neutralized as a great President worthy of a National Memorial in DC let alone something like Mt Rushmore by his blunders and allowance of crimes that led to the birth and nurturing of terrorist groups as they grew through his terms in office. The Marine Barracks where Marines were ordered to carry unloaded weapons and ignore SOP security measures, the failure to respond appropriately to terrorist attacks that eventually led to PAN AM 103/Lockerbie, Iran Contra where negotiating with terrorist became acceptable, the arming and training of Contra death squads, the arming of Islamic warriors in Afghanistan that would eventually make possible the foundering of the Taliban and al Quada and the outright criminal corruption of his administration that is unequaled in American history.

You moron.

He defeated the same Soviet Union that Franklin Roosevelt nurtured...and gave birth to a golden age in the domestic economy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. Be very clear. Lenin...and Stalin... used famine and starvation as government policy.

And Franklin Roosevelt knew it....and shrugged.

So much for any idea that he had a 'moral compass.'



a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too." "The Black Book of Communism," p.123-124.


b. "The present moment favors us....With the help of all those starving people who are starting to eat each other, who are dying by the millions, and whose bodies litter the roadside all over the country, it is now and only now, that we can-and therefore must- confiscate all church property with all the ruthless energy we can muster....Our only hope is the despair engendered in the masses by the famine, which will cause them to look at us in a favorable light or at the very least, with indifference." Lenin, March 19, 1922



"For humankind at large Lenin had nothing but scorn: ...individual human beings held for Lenin almost no interest..." Richard Pipes, "The Unknown Lenin," p. 10


"Low estimates on the deaths from this famine are about 3 million; high estimates go up to 10 million - which would probably have been much higher if not for foreign relief efforts..." Lenin and the First Communist Revolutions VII


"Aid from outside Russia was initially rejected. TheAmerican Relief Administration(ARA), which Herbert Hooverhad formed to help the starvation ofWorld War I, had offered assistance to Lenin in 1919, on condition that they have full say over theRussianrailway network and hand out food impartially to all. Lenin refused this as interference in Russian internal affairs." Russian famine of 1921 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Yet Roosevelt couldn't wait to embrace this psycho-pathological dynasty!

As one of his earliest acts as President, he offered them America's imprimatur!

Hence, the title of this thread: 'Russian and American History: Tied Together,' by Franklin Roosevelt

 

[Camp]

Reagan will always be neutralized as a great President worthy of a National Memorial in DC let alone something like Mt Rushmore by his blunders and allowance of crimes that led to the birth and nurturing of terrorist groups as they grew through his terms in office. The Marine Barracks where Marines were ordered to carry unloaded weapons and ignore SOP security measures, the failure to respond appropriately to terrorist attacks that eventually led to PAN AM 103/Lockerbie, Iran Contra where negotiating with terrorist became acceptable, the arming and training of Contra death squads, the arming of Islamic warriors in Afghanistan that would eventually make possible the foundering of the Taliban and al Quada and the outright criminal corruption of his administration that is unequaled in American history.

You moron.

He defeated the same Soviet Union that Franklin Roosevelt nurtured...and gave birth to a golden age in the domestic economy.

You moron. Dissolution of the USSR was accomplished with help from the Pope and Thatcher when they supported open rebellion in the East Euro nations that reached culmination with self emulations, street riots and massive marches. And while it freed the East Euro nations, it did not defeat Russia and the Russian Federation which continues to be a threat to the west today. Russia is still pointing nukes at us and in fact has announced they are building new ones. The Cold War was only hiding behind a name change and down sizing. They got rid of their costly franchises and idiots like you claimed victory. The leaders and institutions of the parent company were not defeated.

The Reagan era economic accomplishments or failures are still being hotly debated by the worlds leading economic scholars. In America, there is no shortage of plain Americans who lived in the period of his Presidency and credit him not with creating a golden era, but rather an era of destruction of the middle class and transfer of jobs overseas. Basically he opened America up for terrorist and global oligarchs to rape and pillage.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And PC is on the run again.

 

[Camp]

And PC is on the run again.

For her ideas in this thread to even have the slightest chance of being scholastically viable one must accept that the knowledge of events in Russia were understood, or portrayed accurately in the OP's claims and conclusions. For example, it is obvious that the OP does not have an understanding of the true nature of the terror famines and it's causes. In addition, one must conclude that the US or anyone else had powers to influence the leaders of the Russian Revolution in the midst of WWI and the 1920's. A ridiculous assumption and claim.
She will argue she has facts, but she can not and will not debate the conclusions she makes from those facts.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Reagan will always be neutralized as a great President worthy of a National Memorial in DC let alone something like Mt Rushmore by his blunders and allowance of crimes that led to the birth and nurturing of terrorist groups as they grew through his terms in office. The Marine Barracks where Marines were ordered to carry unloaded weapons and ignore SOP security measures, the failure to respond appropriately to terrorist attacks that eventually led to PAN AM 103/Lockerbie, Iran Contra where negotiating with terrorist became acceptable, the arming and training of Contra death squads, the arming of Islamic warriors in Afghanistan that would eventually make possible the foundering of the Taliban and al Quada and the outright criminal corruption of his administration that is unequaled in American history.

You moron.

He defeated the same Soviet Union that Franklin Roosevelt nurtured...and gave birth to a golden age in the domestic economy.

You moron. Dissolution of the USSR was accomplished with help from the Pope and Thatcher when they supported open rebellion in the East Euro nations that reached culmination with self emulations, street riots and massive marches. And while it freed the East Euro nations, it did not defeat Russia and the Russian Federation which continues to be a threat to the west today. Russia is still pointing nukes at us and in fact has announced they are building new ones. The Cold War was only hiding behind a name change and down sizing. They got rid of their costly franchises and idiots like you claimed victory. The leaders and institutions of the parent company were not defeated.

The Reagan era economic accomplishments or failures are still being hotly debated by the worlds leading economic scholars. In America, there is no shortage of plain Americans who lived in the period of his Presidency and credit him not with creating a golden era, but rather an era of destruction of the middle class and transfer of jobs overseas. Basically he opened America up for terrorist and global oligarchs to rape and pillage.

Let's start with the bottom line: every single thing I've posted, both about Russia, and the Bolsheviks......and about your inamorata, Franklin Roosevelt...

...is true, accurate, and undeniable.


That's why you indoctrinated dolts haven't been able to dent any of it.


The insight that it provides into Roosevelt's mind, and the explanation for his actions vis-a-vis the Marxists, is what galls you.

Great.


You may ignore it, but, I am certain, when the history and epitaph of this once great nation is written by scholars, the destruction will be correctly laid at his.....and your....feet.

 

[JakeStarkey]

. . .what you have posted about the OP is not true, is inaccurate, and simply is not supported by the cut and paste.

If you want to have a discussion, follow the rules. If not, accept the consequences. That is never going to change.

 

[PoliticalChic]

. . .what you have posted about the OP is not true, is inaccurate, and simply is not supported by the cut and paste.

If you want to have a discussion, follow the rules. If not, accept the consequences. That is never going to change.

Back into your sewer, liar.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Follow the rules, you broken hack.

Make an OP, give evidence, offer a conclusion.

Allow us rebuttal time AND you answer it honest and fairly.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Follow the rules, you broken hack.

Make an OP, give evidence, offer a conclusion.

Allow us rebuttal time AND you answer it honest and fairly.

So....since you lie as a regular course in almost every one of your posts....why don't you simply pick any of the fact.....and they are actual facts, that I post....and deny same?

I mean..after all....every one knows that you lie anyway,

Isn't that why they call you 'fakey'?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's continue examining the sort of regime with which Franklin Delano Roosevelt felt comfortable aligning America with.....


What sort of police state doesn't have a secret police?

Russia had one, the Cheka, and they taught the Nazis how to develop and use same sort of apparatus against its citizens.

Didn't seem to bother FDR.



7. "Cheka...was the first of a succession of Soviet state security organizations. It was created on December 20, 1917, after a decree issued by Vladimir Lenin,..." Cheka - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

This was the forerunner of Hitler's SS.

Think Roosevlt knew about this?


a.... mass executions of people based not upon their actions but their class origins and beliefs. ... "The first conspicuous act of government-ordered reprisals on a large scale without regard for individual guilt.... the Cheka's executions never ceased. The exact number murdered is usually estimated at between 100,000 and 500,000, but the chaotic wartime conditions make the accounting especially difficult. But execution was not the Cheka's only tool; it also pioneered the development of the modern slave labor (or "concentration") camp.... "Soviet concentration camps, as instituted in 1919, were meant to be a place of confinement for all kinds of undesirables, whether sentenced by courts or by administrative organs..." Lenin and the First Communist Revolutions VII


b. Before the Russian Revolution, the number of execution by the czarist government came to seventeen (17) per year, according to Solzhenitsyn. He pointed out that, in comparison, the Spanish Inquisition, at its height, destroyed 10 people per month.

But, during the revolutionary years 1918-1919, Lenin's Cheka executed, without trial, more than one thousand (1,000) people a month.

Wait...it gets better: remember Roosevelt's pal, the guy he had the American people calling 'Uncle Joe'?

At the height of Stalin's terror, 1937-1938, tens of thousands of people were shot per month. That's forty thousand a month at the height. Solzhenitsyn, "Warning To The West."



I realize that the folks who have been 'Pavlov-ed' into loving Roosevelt will point out that FDR couldn't see the future when he embraced Stalin in '33, but in 1937-1938, at the height of his pal, 'Uncle Joe' Stalin's terror, tens of thousands were shot per month.

Think Roosevelt knew?


But what course of action should he have followed knowing what kind of savages the Bolsheviks were?

Oh, well....the apologists just shrug.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have no idea whether the Cheka or the Gestapo bothered FDR, because you have given no evidence but your opinion.

The Cheka was the forerunner of the KGB, the German SS. History of the Cheka - OGPU - NKVD - MGB - KGB - FSB

I am sure that FDR was aware of this, as was most of the world. You have offered nothing on whether he approved or not.

FDR and America recognized the USSR as it did Nazi Germany. What should have the US government done? You offer nothing.

See. You have been offered clear rebuttal and correction. Your opinion is not evidence, PC.

Let's see what you can do without personality attacks. You have to meet each of the points above fairly, as I did yours. Can you do that?

 

[PoliticalChic]

You have no idea whether the Cheka or the Gestapo bothered FDR, because you have given no evidence but your opinion.

The Cheka was the forerunner of the KGB, the German SS. History of the Cheka - OGPU - NKVD - MGB - KGB - FSB

I am sure that FDR was aware of this, as was most of the world. You have offered nothing on whether he approved or not.

FDR and America recognized the USSR as it did Nazi Germany. What should have the US government done? You offer nothing.

See. You have been offered clear rebuttal and correction. Your opinion is not evidence, PC.

Let's see what you can do without personality attacks. You have to meet each of the points above fairly, as I did yours. Can you do that?

"You have been offered clear rebuttal and correction."

All you have done is verify what I posted.


See..I've taught you to bow to superior knowledge.


You're still a moron who lies more frequently than not.

 

[Camp]

Reagan will always be neutralized as a great President worthy of a National Memorial in DC let alone something like Mt Rushmore by his blunders and allowance of crimes that led to the birth and nurturing of terrorist groups as they grew through his terms in office. The Marine Barracks where Marines were ordered to carry unloaded weapons and ignore SOP security measures, the failure to respond appropriately to terrorist attacks that eventually led to PAN AM 103/Lockerbie, Iran Contra where negotiating with terrorist became acceptable, the arming and training of Contra death squads, the arming of Islamic warriors in Afghanistan that would eventually make possible the foundering of the Taliban and al Quada and the outright criminal corruption of his administration that is unequaled in American history.

You moron.

He defeated the same Soviet Union that Franklin Roosevelt nurtured...and gave birth to a golden age in the domestic economy.

You moron. Dissolution of the USSR was accomplished with help from the Pope and Thatcher when they supported open rebellion in the East Euro nations that reached culmination with self emulations, street riots and massive marches. And while it freed the East Euro nations, it did not defeat Russia and the Russian Federation which continues to be a threat to the west today. Russia is still pointing nukes at us and in fact has announced they are building new ones. The Cold War was only hiding behind a name change and down sizing. They got rid of their costly franchises and idiots like you claimed victory. The leaders and institutions of the parent company were not defeated.

The Reagan era economic accomplishments or failures are still being hotly debated by the worlds leading economic scholars. In America, there is no shortage of plain Americans who lived in the period of his Presidency and credit him not with creating a golden era, but rather an era of destruction of the middle class and transfer of jobs overseas. Basically he opened America up for terrorist and global oligarchs to rape and pillage.

Let's start with the bottom line: every single thing I've posted, both about Russia, and the Bolsheviks......and about your inamorata, Franklin Roosevelt...

...is true, accurate, and undeniable.


That's why you indoctrinated dolts haven't been able to dent any of it.


The insight that it provides into Roosevelt's mind, and the explanation for his actions vis-a-vis the Marxists, is what galls you.

Great.


You may ignore it, but, I am certain, when the history and epitaph of this once great nation is written by scholars, the destruction will be correctly laid at his.....and your....feet.

The era you are discussing was 80 years ago and the history has already been written you idiot. What you are doing is called revisionist and you are coming to the party late.

The bulk of the revisionist who started the anti FDR fervor in the early and mid 90's have given up and moved on. The scheme did not take hold and failed miserably. FDR is not rated as the fourth or fifth greatest President now. He is rated as the third greatest of all time. Only Washington and Lincoln are rated greater than Roosevelt. He has not only one of the most popular and visited Presidential Libraries, but he has a National Memorial between the Jefferson and Lincoln Memorials in the shadow of the Washington Monument and a huge Memorial on an island named after him in New York City.

You fool less and less people each time you use your disinformation technique and method of stating facts and drawing conclusions from those facts that are disjointed and and distorted. Your defense is always that your facts are true and no one can challenge them. What you are deflecting from is that while the facts may be accurate, the conclusions made by linking them together are false and misleading. You write about FDR in the 30's as if he and the US had these powers and authority that could reach across the oceans and continents to influence world leaders like Hitler and Stalin as if he was more powerful and influential than the nation is today in the 21st Century.

You ignore the fact that the knowledgeable and wise of that period knew that the most earth moving period in world history was upon and grasping the globe. The very survival of nations and who would rule the world were to be determined. The free world was being pitted against the totalitarian dictatorships in Germany and Japan, both with military machines multiple times the size of what was available to the free nations at that time. In the middle, seemingly up for grabs was the big bear. The powerhouse that could and would change the dynamics and determine the outcome.

PoliticalChic wants to convince folks that FDR was foolish to manipulate and influence Uncle Joe into sacrificing 20 million Russian lives as he sided with the free world to defeat the monsters that threatened the world. She thinks it was foolish to come into the fight with our own monster, the Russian Bear, to fight the enemy monsters of Germany and Japan.