Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[ColonelAngus]

Ukraine paid good money to the Biden family. They should get the benefits!!

 

[rightwinger]

Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Here's the underlying problem.

When the USSR broke up, Russians found themselves living in Ukraine.

Our goals should be pretty clear.

1) A peace everyone can live with, even if they don't like it.
2) Not letting this escalate into WWIII
3) Not driving Russia deeper into China's orbit.


What are the alternatives?

Ukraine certainly doesn't have the capacity to retake territory at this point. They are conscripting 50-year-olds while men are fleeing the country.

Putting the economic screws to Russia, hoping that Putin will be overthrown, just creates more problems than it solves.

Trump is like a broken clock... he's right maybe twice a day.

Placating Putin is not a solution

Yea, it ends today’s war and allows Putin to lick his wounds and regroup. It also applies no consequences for an unprovoked invasion.

Meanwhile, Ukraine is told to reduce the size of its army, never apply to NATO all in some unsupported promise of protection from the West.

Ukraine had those same assurances of protection when they gave up their nuclear weapons and later ceded Crimea ……Putin just invaded anyway

Neville Chamberlain 2.0

 

[JoeB131]

Placating Putin is not a solution

it's better than the alternatives, which are

World War III
Russia's government collapsing
Russia becoming even more beholden to China.

Yea, it ends today’s war and allows Putin to lick his wounds and regroup. It also applies no consequences for an unprovoked invasion.

Except the invasion wasn't unprovoked. Zelenskyy violated the Minsk Accords and attempted to militarily subdue the LPR and DPR.

It never should have gotten this far, but it has.

Meanwhile, Ukraine is told to reduce the size of its army, never apply to NATO all in some unsupported promise of protection from the West.

Okay, except the cap on Ukraine's army is 600,000. For comparison, before the war started, it was only 220,000.

Ukraine had those same assurances of protection when they gave up their nuclear weapons and later ceded Crimea ……Putin just invaded anyway

For reasons stated above.

Neville Chamberlain 2.0

Well, except Neville did exactly the right thing at Munich. 50% of Czechoslovakia's population didn't want to be part of Czechoslovakia, Germany already had the Czech part surrounded on three sides, and the only way they'd have a chance of prevailing would be for the USSR to get involved in the war against Germany and Hungary.

I would argue that Chamberlain was embarrassed by the subsequent collapse of Czechoslovakia, and wrote the Polish Colonels a blank check they couldn't cash.

 

[Independent thinker]

Russia wants what was damaged by Russia to be added to Russia. Trump will allow it, but the
World who has helped Ukraine will not allow it. Stop watching Trump and pay attention to the European nations who help Ukraine go against Russian aggression. Trump made a mistake by raising hell with Ukraine.

While I think you're wrong, you are right that this is mostly Europe's problem and Europe should be the one fixing it. But, they won't. Russia will permanently get parts of Ukraine, if not all of it.

 

[MarcATL]

Surrender Monkey Trump will give Putin everything he asks for

As TACO usually does.

 

[rightwinger]

it's better than the alternatives, which are

World War III
Russia's government collapsing
Russia becoming even more beholden to China.

Putin bluffs that WWIII threat but knows better than to actually play that card. He would lose Bigly and he knows it.
The USSR collapsed because of their Afghanistan invasion. Russia is following the same path

Trumps plan offers no consequences for the Russian invasion. Putin will take note for future conquests

 

[kyzr]

Placating Putin is not a solution
Yea, it ends today’s war and allows Putin to lick his wounds and regroup. It also applies no consequences for an unprovoked invasion.
Meanwhile, Ukraine is told to reduce the size of its army, never apply to NATO all in some unsupported promise of protection from the West.
Ukraine had those same assurances of protection when they gave up their nuclear weapons and later ceded Crimea ……Putin just invaded anyway. Neville Chamberlain 2.0

Neville Chamberlain didn't matter. Hitler was going to invade Poland and France anyway.
Germany brutalized the British and French armies with his Blitzkrieg.
He fucked up letting 300,000 Brits escape Dunkirk.

There is no way to prevent Putin from pushing for unreasonable demands, because he sees Ukraine as Russia's buffer with NATO. A direct threat to Russia's national security, similar to Russian nukes on Cuba, worth WW3.
Your "demands" won't happen, so what could you do? HINT: NOTHING

 

[kyzr]

Putin bluffs that WWIII threat but knows better than to actually play that card. He would lose Bigly and he knows it.
The USSR collapsed because of their Afghanistan invasion. Russia is following the same path
Trumps plan offers no consequences for the Russian invasion. Putin will take note for future conquests

Its only a bluff until it happens.
Putin would accept no consequences, so what could you do? hint: nothing

 

[struth]

Russia wants what was damaged by Russia to be added to Russia. Trump will allow it, but the
World who has helped Ukraine will not allow it. Stop watching Trump and pay attention to the European nations who help Ukraine go against Russian aggression. Trump made a mistake by raising hell with Ukraine.

Glad, I’m hoping the rest of the world steps up and help pay for this so that my country doesn’t continue to fund their burden

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Surrender Monkey Trump will give Putin everything he asks for

Of course he will. Trump's goal is not the security of Ukraine. Trump's goal is to brag falsely about ending the war.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Dick Cheney is the new Patron Saint of Progressive Foreign Policy

 

[rightwinger]

Of course he will. Trump's goal is not the security of Ukraine. Trump's goal is to brag falsely about ending the war.

Where’s my Nobel Prize?

 

[Blaster]

Russia will permanently get parts of Ukraine, if not all of it.

Yep

 

[Robert W]

Surrender Monkey Trump will give Putin everything he asks for

Putin demands more also. Trump chose the wrong side as did Neville Chamberlin.

 

[Robert W]

Where’s my Nobel Prize?

It was mailed to you.

 

[Robert W]

Trump has proposed “secondary tariffs” ranging from 25 to 50 percent on nations that purchase oil from Russia.

SUCH A PUTIN PUPPET.

You lefties are ******* dipshits.

I posted this to keep us pleased that it will be Europe stopping Putin and not Trump. Putin stole 20 percent of Ukraine that I believe that Europe is ensuring he has to return all of it to Ukraine. Trump has to watch it play out. Trump made a huge mistake.

 

[Robert W]

We need a President who is tough on Russia like Joe Biden

Beats a Surrender Monkey like Trump

Biden is why Putin took 20% of Ukraine and held back weapons to begin with.

 

[Robert W]

While I think you're wrong, you are right that this is mostly Europe's problem and Europe should be the one fixing it. But, they won't. Russia will permanently get parts of Ukraine, if not all of it.

As a Trump voter, I expected more of Trump. Europe is my go-to group of nations to repel Putin.

 

[Robert W]

Of course he will. Trump's goal is not the security of Ukraine. Trump's goal is to brag falsely about ending the war.

Europe will end the war and Putin will lose.

 

[rightwinger]

Biden is why Putin took 20% of Ukraine and held back weapons to begin with.

Biden is the reason Putin did not take the whole thing

Trump is a Surrender Monkey