Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

Dummy California separatists would not be putting another country's flags on their buildings if it was actually civil war.

This is not rocket science bub. You can do this.
If California were to separate from the Union, and therefore if it were to attempt to establish its own flag, government, president and so on and so forth, then how would that not be the same as what the confederate state's did when they attempted to secede from the union ?? Ok, so in a hot war between California and the Union, would not each side attempt to put their flag up in order to mark their victory in the locations of those victories ?

I guess it all goes back to why California as a metaphor wanted to secede in the first place, and then it goes back to whether or not the Union would allow it to secede, otherwise providing it abide by the rules or guidelines given it upon it's approval of.

Had Ukraine broken the rules maybe or not ???
 
If California were to separate from the Union, and therefore if it were to attempt to establish its own flag, government, president and so on and so forth, then how would that not be the same as what the confederate state's did when they attempted to secede from the union ?? Ok, so in a hot war between California and the Union, would not each side attempt to put their flag up in order to mark their victory in the locations of those victories ?

I guess it all goes back to why California as a metaphor wanted to secede in the first place, and then it goes back to whether or not the Union would allow it to secede, otherwise providing it abide by the rules or guidelines given it upon it's approval of.

Had Ukraine broken the rules maybe or not ???
Yes. Ukrainian post-Maidan Junta had broken the certain rules, written in Ukrainian constitution. They decided to join a foreign military alliance and they decided to violate basic human rights of local Russian population and laymen of Ukrainian Orthodox Church and they decided to use Army against Ukrainian citizens. If Washington try to establish "High Council for Delatinisation and De-n#ggerisation", there will be rebellions not only in California. If, Washington's regime after Revolution of Dignity (or White Pride) has no foreign support, "Democratic America" has significant chances to win by themselves. (Most of Americans, as far as I know, don't like the idea of discrimination and abuse of minorities), but if White Pride Government use European support - Democrats will use help of Mexico, Russia and China.
 
If California were to separate from the Union, and therefore if it were to attempt to establish its own flag, government, president and so on and so forth, then how would that not be the same as what the confederate state's did when they attempted to secede from the union ?? Ok, so in a hot war between California and the Union, would not each side attempt to put their flag up in order to mark their victory in the locations of those victories ?

I guess it all goes back to why California as a metaphor wanted to secede in the first place, and then it goes back to whether or not the Union would allow it to secede, otherwise providing it abide by the rules or guidelines given it upon it's approval of.

Had Ukraine broken the rules maybe or not ???

Seperatists in Ukraine were not putting up their own flag, they were putting up Russian Federation on Ukranian gov buildings.

What is so difficult to get?

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He overestimated his importance. A little group of few dozens of barely armed men can't capture a region with 7 mln population without their support.

Because you say so? :cuckoo:

I think I'll go with facts and testimony of DNR's Minister of Defense.

Fact, Girkin's armed team crossed the border from RF and took control of Sloviansk in April which marked the start of armed conflict in Donbas.
 
Establish in the USA official policy of Den#ggerisation and delatinisation, including ban of any public usage of Spanish language and "Black music" (including Rap and Blues) and I can guarantee you - you'll have rebellion either.
Actually, American colonists started their Revolutionary war for much lesser significant reasons. Something about taxation, if I remember correctly.
The analogy would be more correct if policy of dewhitinisation were declared in a state where whites have always been a majority. Donbass and Lugansk had been Russian for ages (Odessa, Kharkov and many more too btw), then a bunch of slack jawed yokels from the Bandera part of Ukraine came to teach them that their mother tongue was not the right language to speak on their own land. Imagine Texas where English is declared alien and is being phased out in favor of Spanish. Wouldn't that be a riot?
 
The analogy would be more correct if policy of dewhitinisation were declared in a state where whites have always been a majority. Donbass and Lugansk had been Russian for ages (Odessa, Kharkov and many more too btw), then a bunch of slack jawed yokels from the Bandera part of Ukraine came to teach them that their mother tongue was not the right language to speak on their own land. Imagine Texas where English is declared alien and is being phased out in favor of Spanish. Wouldn't that be a riot?
It needs to be gotten to the bottom of as to why Ukraine and Russia have since gone to war with each other or rather the truth must prevail as to exactly why it has all happened.

It will be absolutely an amazing thing if Ukraine was in the wrong in the beginning, and Russia was just responding to that wrong.

Now Ukraine has been devastated over it all. Unbelievable stuff.
 
It needs to be gotten to the bottom of as to why Ukraine and Russia have since gone to war with each other or rather the truth must prevail as to exactly why it has all happened.

It will be absolutely an amazing thing if Ukraine was in the wrong in the beginning, and Russia was just responding to that wrong.

Now Ukraine has been devastated over it all. Unbelievable stuff.
The Ukrainian Regime apologists have been and are in total denial as to why it all happened, i and others on here have tried to show what happened just to be called Rus bots or Putin Puppets, not much we can say when faced with zombified assholes like that. the incident in Mariupol on May the 9th 2014 not yet three months after the Western Coup was the main cause of armed resistance to the Kiev Regime, notice the date it was Victory day commemorating the Victory over Nazi Germany, the Banderists of the Ukrainian army chose that day on purpose to launch their so called anti terror operation in Donbass and Mariupol, i don't see any Rebel insurgents on the street just civilians trying to stop the Ukrainian attack and it cost some their lives, then the Banderists murdered the Mariupol Police force who tried to protect the people, so we need to call the liars out like Anton.
 
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It needs to be gotten to the bottom of as to why Ukraine and Russia have since gone to war with each other or rather the truth must prevail as to exactly why it has all happened.

It will be absolutely an amazing thing if Ukraine was in the wrong in the beginning, and Russia was just responding to that wrong.

Now Ukraine has been devastated over it all. Unbelievable stuff.
You've got a good expression for that stuff. They've been ******* around for thirty years, that's how patient Russia has been to respond to that wrong.
 
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Seperatists in Ukraine were not putting up their own flag, they were putting up Russian Federation on Ukranian gov buildings.

What is so difficult to get?

Because they see themselves as Russians.

The LPR and DPR do have their own flags.

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Luhansk People's Republic

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Donetsk People's Republic
 
The Ukrainian Regime apologists have been and are in total denial as to why it all happened, i and others on here have tried to show what happened just to be called Rus bots or Putin Puppets, not much we can say when faced with zombified assholes like that. the incident in Mariupol on May the 9th 2014 not yet three months after the Western Coup was the main cause of armed resistance to the Kiev Regime, notice the date it was Victory day commemorating the Victory over Nazi Germany, the Banderists of the Ukrainian army chose that day on purpose to launch their so called anti terror operation in Donbass and Mariupol, i don't see any Rebel insurgents on the street just civilians trying to stop the Ukrainian attack and it cost some their lives, then the Banderists murdered the Mariupol Police force who tried to protect the people, so we need to call the liars out like Anton.

Unprovoked aggression, the bastards call that. There's not a word other than expletives these people shout out in response to being treated like that. Haven't seen this footage before, somehow.
 
Seperatists in Ukraine were not putting up their own flag, they were putting up Russian Federation on Ukranian gov buildings.

What is so difficult to get?

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And anti-ICE protesters in Califonia use Mexican flags. And pro-Ukrainian protesters in Washington wave Ukrainian flags. Just a sort of political manifestation. "We are Russians, we are human beings, and we don't want to be treated like cattle. And if Kiev doesn't face our demands - we are going to join Moscow".
 
Because you say so? :cuckoo:

I think I'll go with facts and testimony of DNR's Minister of Defense.

Fact, Girkin's armed team crossed the border from RF and took control of Sloviansk in April which marked the start of armed conflict in Donbas.
Armed conflict in Donbass started only because armed conflict (aka "Revolution of Dignity" or "Anti-Constitutinal coup de grace") happened in Kiev and Neo-Nazi Junta started official discrimination of Russian people.
 
No matter how cynical it may sound but I kind of find solace in watching scenes like that now.
 
The analogy would be more correct if policy of dewhitinisation were declared in a state where whites have always been a majority. Donbass and Lugansk had been Russian for ages (Odessa, Kharkov and many more too btw), then a bunch of slack jawed yokels from the Bandera part of Ukraine came to teach them that their mother tongue was not the right language to speak on their own land. Imagine Texas where English is declared alien and is being phased out in favor of Spanish. Wouldn't that be a riot?
Actually, there was a riot. And declaration of independence of Texas, and, soon after that, American annexation of Texas and US-Mexico war.

But, looks like you are oversimplificating. Actually, Banderlogs (in the classic understanding of the term - "nationalistic guys from Galicia") are absolute minority in modern Ukrainian Nazi movement, what is even more important - they are the most stupid and obvious enemies. Nazies Type II and type III are much more interesting.

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Nazification makes people think that they are not Russians and they should kill Russians.Oversimplificating, there were three main ideological waves of Ukro-Nazification (all three were based on factual bullshit and propaganda)

1. In the middle of XIX century, Austria after recognisition of Russia-created Czech threat, and understanding how powerful weapon could be "national-building" decided to make non-Russians from controlled by them part of Russian people (Galicians). So, they said - "You are not Russians, you are "Ukrainians" because you speak different language (not dialect of Russian). They sponsored making "Ukrainian language" from local dialect of Galician villagers. Really poor thing, practically useless for any purpose short of singing folk songs. What is even more important - for a poor and narrow-mind Galician villager everyone (including Moscowites, Jews, Poles and even "Ukrainians from Poltava") are aliens and Germans are "natural masters". One can use them for the violence and destruction, may be for some farming, but they can't make a tank or a gun. Really poor guys. Banderlogs or Raguls in the narrow meaning of the word. We can call it Ukronazism type I.

2. Second stage of Ukrainisation was Soviet. Extra-left communists government in 1920s saw "Great Russian Chauvinism" as the greatest threat for their national policy. You know, something like "positive discrimination" on steroids. Ukrainisation was a form of "rootinisation" and "nation-building" in Soviet Republics. So, they made "Derjavna Mova" (State's language) based not only Galician, but some other dialects, too. In fact, it, like Esperanto, is no one's first language. It is the language of bureaucratic features. State-loyal nazism is a form of loyalty to the state. "We are Ukrainians because our government said us that. We speak (sometimes), Ukrainian at job or because we demonstrate our loyalty to the current regime. It is so called "political Ukrainism" (or Ukronazism type II) and, say, Zelenskiy (Russian-speaking Jew) or Syrsky (ethnic Russian) are examples of that. After fall of the Soviet Union, political Ukrainism became just loyalty to pro-Western course.

3. Post-Soviet Ukrainian Neonazism, is a way to "Ukronazificate" mostly eastern, Russian-speaking population of the industrial, educated cosmopolitic Eastern Ukraine (Russians and "Russian-speaking Ukrainians"). Like, you know, Azov battalion/brigade/corps. It is classical western Neo-Nazism. You can't say to a man, speaking proper Russian language (usually even without any significant accent) that his language is not Russian. So, you tell him, that he is the only true Russian, while Moscowites are Mongols, Finno-Hungarians and Tatars and they are not Russians. Of course it is a lie and nazism in the modern Western understanding. We can call it Ukronazism type III.
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I kind of find solace in watching scenes like that now.

Yep, thats how fucked in the head you Rushists are.

I know that, but thanks for letting others out here know what they are dealing with.
 
Armed conflict in Donbass started only because armed conflict (aka "Revolution of Dignity" or "Anti-Constitutinal coup de grace") happened in Kiev and Neo-Nazi Junta started official discrimination of Russian people.

RF citizen Girkin who's squad crossed the RF border into Ukraine and took over Sloviansk says you are full of shit and gives all the details on what was going on at the time, details that are confirmed by known facts.

Why do you think that is? :cuckoo:
 
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Because they see themselves as Russians.

The LPR and DPR do have their own flags.

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Here is 2014 Crimean flag, adoped after annexation by Russian army:

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You are going to tell me that was a civil war in Crimea too? :cuckoo:

Those flags are like American state flags, but they were always fighting for Russian Federation annexation of their territory. They were lead, funded, heavily armed by RF and even directly supported by Russian army.

Thats not civil war, this was always an invasion by Russian Federation, even if were a lot of Ukranian collaborators.
 
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hats not civil war, this was always an invasion by Russian Federation, even if were a lot of Ukranian collaborators.

Well, at least you are being honest enough to FINALLY admit that some "Ukrainians" (i.e. Russians who found themselves in Ukraine because the Soviets were assholes) don't want to be ruled by Kyiv. So that's some progress.

So, what's your solution? Keep feeding Ukrainians and Russians into the meat grinder until Ukraine runs out of men?

Escalate it into World War III?

My solution would be as follows.

Russia keeps Crimea, Luhansk, and Donetsk. (+Putin)
Russia returns Kherson and Zaphorizia (+ Zelenskyy)
Russia pays reparations to Ukraine (+ Zelenskyy)
Sanctions are lifted on Russia (+Putin)
Russia gets to join the G-8. (+Putin) ( I would also invite India and China to join, if we are being economically realistic)
Ukraine is allowed to join the EU (+ Zelenskyy)
Ukraine is barred from joining NATO (+ Putin)
A security force of a neutral nation keeps the peace on the new border. (Null)
The West invests heavily in rebuilding Ukraine (+ Zelenskyy)

Now before we hear the whine of "But then Putin will just rebuild and try again in 10 years."

Putin is 73. He's not going to be around in 10 years.

 
Yep, thats how fucked in the head you Rushists are.

I know that, but thanks for letting others out here know what they are dealing with.
Have you, shithead, seen this?

That's where all the people's rage with the Kiev's rule began to shape up. It was later propped up by this

and on and on. But all the while Russia stood patiently by waiting for the Hohols to sober up. Didn't happen, so find out now, **********. Don't whine when your fellow pukes of the formally living creatures are now being passified in droves by being put underground all over Hohlostan.
 
Well, at least you are being honest enough to FINALLY admit that some "Ukrainians" (i.e. Russians who found themselves in Ukraine because the Soviets were assholes) don't want to be ruled by Kyiv. So that's some progress.

So, what's your solution? Keep feeding Ukrainians and Russians into the meat grinder until Ukraine runs out of men?

Escalate it into World War III?

My solution would be as follows.

Russia keeps Crimea, Luhansk, and Donetsk. (+Putin)
Russia returns Kherson and Zaphorizia (+ Zelenskyy)
Russia pays reparations to Ukraine (+ Zelenskyy)
Sanctions are lifted on Russia (+Putin)
Russia gets to join the G-8. (+Putin) ( I would also invite India and China to join, if we are being economically realistic)
Ukraine is allowed to join the EU (+ Zelenskyy)
Ukraine is barred from joining NATO (+ Putin)
A security force of a neutral nation keeps the peace on the new border. (Null)
The West invests heavily in rebuilding Ukraine (+ Zelenskyy)

Now before we hear the whine of "But then Putin will just rebuild and try again in 10 years."

Putin is 73. He's not going to be around in 10 years.



The progress is in your head.

Go back and read my posts, no a single one says or reasonably implies that there were not Ukrainian collaborators.

What I said was what RF invaders like Girkin themselves said - they led and enabled separatist war that otherwise would have fizzled out like in Odessa and Zaporizhie.

My solution is to back Ukraine LIKE WE PROMISSED TO in when they gave up their nukes.

Arming them if they choose to fight the baseless invasion is the very least we can do.
 
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