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Russia: We must have veto power over Ukraine security guarantees​

20 Aug 2025 ~~ By Iona Cleave

Russia will only agree to security guarantees for Ukraine if it has the power to veto them, its foreign minister has said.
Sergei Lavrov said that any attempt to bolster Ukrainian security that did not involve Moscow was a “road to nowhere” and “will not work”.
Mr Lavrov said a “very good example” of a potential blueprint could be found in the Istanbul framework of 2022.
Under a draft discussed at the time, Ukraine would have received guarantees from a group of countries including the five permanent members of the UN Security Council – China, Russia, the United States, Britain and France.
Kyiv rejected the proposal as it would have given Moscow veto power over its national security.
On Tuesday, Donald Trump ruled out putting American boots on the ground once a peace deal is signed, but instead suggested the US was prepared to provide air support to police Ukraine’s skies.
Mr Trump told Fox News: “When it comes to security, they’re [Europe] willing to put people on the ground.”
~Snip~
‘No limitations’ should be put on Ukraine
Last week, Sir Keir Starmer and his European counterparts said “no limitations should be placed on Ukraine’s armed forces or its cooperation with third countries.”
It comes amid reports that about 10 European countries are ready to send forces to Ukraine as part of security guarantees for the country following a peace deal.
~Snip~
On Tuesday, European officials fleshed out the plan to send a multinational “reassurance force” to deter future Russian aggression and now await Mr Trump’s approval, Bloomberg reported, citing people familiar with the matter.
The first stage would see European troops – including hundreds of British and French soldiers – being stationed in Ukraine, away from the front line, to help its military with training and reinforcements.
~Snip~
It comes as Polish officials claimed a Russian drone crashed in a field in eastern Poland on Wednesday, in what Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz, Poland’s defence minister, called a “provocation” from the Kremlin.
The drone hit and scorched a cornfield in the village of Osiny in the eastern Lublin province overnight, just over 62 miles from the Ukrainian border and around 90 km from Belarus, according to early findings, Polish officials said.
Poland has been on high alert for objects entering its airspace since a stray Ukrainian missile struck a southern Polish village in 2022, killing two people.


Commentary:
These are clearly irreconcilable differences. The people of the Ukraine would never go for this.
This shows Putin’s intensions all along, going back to 2014 and before, that he wanted full control of Ukraine and that Yanukovych was his *****. Putin is not serious about ending the war.
This is not logical. We are supposed to give Russia the veto power over whether Russia is invading Ukraine again?
Walk away. Sell more arms. Bomb pipelines, financially destroy the Russian economy and give the Ukrainians the ability to do to Russia as the Russians are doing to them. Start bombing their cities and population.
There's no reason for the Ukrainians to give up because the violence won't end: if Russia takes over or a Russian puppet is installed, every current politician and army member will be murdered or jailed and tortured.
Counter proposal to Putin through Lavrov is as follows:
Opening gambit: Is Russian prepared to give up all the land it has conquered including the Crimea in return for this agreement?
 

Russia: We must have veto power over Ukraine security guarantees​

20 Aug 2025 ~~ By Iona Cleave

Russia will only agree to security guarantees for Ukraine if it has the power to veto them, its foreign minister has said.
Sergei Lavrov said that any attempt to bolster Ukrainian security that did not involve Moscow was a “road to nowhere” and “will not work”.
Mr Lavrov said a “very good example” of a potential blueprint could be found in the Istanbul framework of 2022.
Under a draft discussed at the time, Ukraine would have received guarantees from a group of countries including the five permanent members of the UN Security Council – China, Russia, the United States, Britain and France.
Kyiv rejected the proposal as it would have given Moscow veto power over its national security.
On Tuesday, Donald Trump ruled out putting American boots on the ground once a peace deal is signed, but instead suggested the US was prepared to provide air support to police Ukraine’s skies.
Mr Trump told Fox News: “When it comes to security, they’re [Europe] willing to put people on the ground.”
~Snip~
‘No limitations’ should be put on Ukraine
Last week, Sir Keir Starmer and his European counterparts said “no limitations should be placed on Ukraine’s armed forces or its cooperation with third countries.”
It comes amid reports that about 10 European countries are ready to send forces to Ukraine as part of security guarantees for the country following a peace deal.
~Snip~
On Tuesday, European officials fleshed out the plan to send a multinational “reassurance force” to deter future Russian aggression and now await Mr Trump’s approval, Bloomberg reported, citing people familiar with the matter.
The first stage would see European troops – including hundreds of British and French soldiers – being stationed in Ukraine, away from the front line, to help its military with training and reinforcements.
~Snip~
It comes as Polish officials claimed a Russian drone crashed in a field in eastern Poland on Wednesday, in what Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz, Poland’s defence minister, called a “provocation” from the Kremlin.
The drone hit and scorched a cornfield in the village of Osiny in the eastern Lublin province overnight, just over 62 miles from the Ukrainian border and around 90 km from Belarus, according to early findings, Polish officials said.
Poland has been on high alert for objects entering its airspace since a stray Ukrainian missile struck a southern Polish village in 2022, killing two people.


Commentary:
These are clearly irreconcilable differences. The people of the Ukraine would never go for this.
This shows Putin’s intensions all along, going back to 2014 and before, that he wanted full control of Ukraine and that Yanukovych was his *****. Putin is not serious about ending the war.
This is not logical. We are supposed to give Russia the veto power over whether Russia is invading Ukraine again?
Walk away. Sell more arms. Bomb pipelines, financially destroy the Russian economy and give the Ukrainians the ability to do to Russia as the Russians are doing to them. Start bombing their cities and population.
There's no reason for the Ukrainians to give up because the violence won't end: if Russia takes over or a Russian puppet is installed, every current politician and army member will be murdered or jailed and tortured.
Counter proposal to Putin through Lavrov is as follows:
Opening gambit: Is Russian prepared to give up all the land it has conquered including the Crimea in return for this agreement?
The blob said he'd have it solved before he took office.

What happened?
 
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Cleaning up Biden's and the Democrat mess will have to take longer?

If your reality is such that you can't admit Chump is favouring Russia over Ukraine, I'm not at all surprised.
 
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Cleaning up Biden's and the Democrat mess will have to take longer?
I'm not sure if that is a question or not.

But what I am sure of is that you're endorsing the Biden Doctrine by wanting us to continue to supply Ukraine with weaponry to fight the Russians. It seems odd that what you're endorsing in one breath you're calling a "mess" in the next.

This is just another example of how insane you've become.
 

Trump threatens 'severe consequences' if Putin blocks ...

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Aug 13, 2025 — Asked if those consequences would be sanctions or tariffs, Trump told reporters: “I don't have to say. There will be very severe consequences.".

U.S. President Donald Trump threatened "severe consequences" if Russia's Vladimir Putin does not agree to peace in Ukraine but also said on Wednesday that a meeting between them could swiftly be followed by a second that would include the leader of Ukraine.

Trump did not specify what the consequences could be, but he has warned of economic sanctions if his meeting with Putin in Alaska on Friday proves fruitless.



August 21 2025.





TACO strikes again.
 

Russia: We must have veto power over Ukraine security guarantees​

20 Aug 2025 ~~ By Iona Cleave

Russia will only agree to security guarantees for Ukraine if it has the power to veto them, its foreign minister has said.
Sergei Lavrov said that any attempt to bolster Ukrainian security that did not involve Moscow was a “road to nowhere” and “will not work”.
Mr Lavrov said a “very good example” of a potential blueprint could be found in the Istanbul framework of 2022.
Under a draft discussed at the time, Ukraine would have received guarantees from a group of countries including the five permanent members of the UN Security Council – China, Russia, the United States, Britain and France.
Kyiv rejected the proposal as it would have given Moscow veto power over its national security.
On Tuesday, Donald Trump ruled out putting American boots on the ground once a peace deal is signed, but instead suggested the US was prepared to provide air support to police Ukraine’s skies.
Mr Trump told Fox News: “When it comes to security, they’re [Europe] willing to put people on the ground.”
~Snip~
‘No limitations’ should be put on Ukraine
Last week, Sir Keir Starmer and his European counterparts said “no limitations should be placed on Ukraine’s armed forces or its cooperation with third countries.”
It comes amid reports that about 10 European countries are ready to send forces to Ukraine as part of security guarantees for the country following a peace deal.
~Snip~
On Tuesday, European officials fleshed out the plan to send a multinational “reassurance force” to deter future Russian aggression and now await Mr Trump’s approval, Bloomberg reported, citing people familiar with the matter.
The first stage would see European troops – including hundreds of British and French soldiers – being stationed in Ukraine, away from the front line, to help its military with training and reinforcements.
~Snip~
It comes as Polish officials claimed a Russian drone crashed in a field in eastern Poland on Wednesday, in what Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz, Poland’s defence minister, called a “provocation” from the Kremlin.
The drone hit and scorched a cornfield in the village of Osiny in the eastern Lublin province overnight, just over 62 miles from the Ukrainian border and around 90 km from Belarus, according to early findings, Polish officials said.
Poland has been on high alert for objects entering its airspace since a stray Ukrainian missile struck a southern Polish village in 2022, killing two people.


Commentary:
These are clearly irreconcilable differences. The people of the Ukraine would never go for this.
This shows Putin’s intensions all along, going back to 2014 and before, that he wanted full control of Ukraine and that Yanukovych was his *****. Putin is not serious about ending the war.
This is not logical. We are supposed to give Russia the veto power over whether Russia is invading Ukraine again?
Walk away. Sell more arms. Bomb pipelines, financially destroy the Russian economy and give the Ukrainians the ability to do to Russia as the Russians are doing to them. Start bombing their cities and population.
There's no reason for the Ukrainians to give up because the violence won't end: if Russia takes over or a Russian puppet is installed, every current politician and army member will be murdered or jailed and tortured.
Counter proposal to Putin through Lavrov is as follows:
Opening gambit: Is Russian prepared to give up all the land it has conquered including the Crimea in return for this agreement?

So, Russia wants the Ukraine to be its little *****. That's basically saying "Russia wins the whole war".
 

Russia: We must have veto power over Ukraine security guarantees​

20 Aug 2025 ~~ By Iona Cleave

Russia will only agree to security guarantees for Ukraine if it has the power to veto them, its foreign minister has said.
Sergei Lavrov said that any attempt to bolster Ukrainian security that did not involve Moscow was a “road to nowhere” and “will not work”.
Mr Lavrov said a “very good example” of a potential blueprint could be found in the Istanbul framework of 2022.
Under a draft discussed at the time, Ukraine would have received guarantees from a group of countries including the five permanent members of the UN Security Council – China, Russia, the United States, Britain and France.
Kyiv rejected the proposal as it would have given Moscow veto power over its national security.
On Tuesday, Donald Trump ruled out putting American boots on the ground once a peace deal is signed, but instead suggested the US was prepared to provide air support to police Ukraine’s skies.
Mr Trump told Fox News: “When it comes to security, they’re [Europe] willing to put people on the ground.”
~Snip~
‘No limitations’ should be put on Ukraine
Last week, Sir Keir Starmer and his European counterparts said “no limitations should be placed on Ukraine’s armed forces or its cooperation with third countries.”
It comes amid reports that about 10 European countries are ready to send forces to Ukraine as part of security guarantees for the country following a peace deal.
~Snip~
On Tuesday, European officials fleshed out the plan to send a multinational “reassurance force” to deter future Russian aggression and now await Mr Trump’s approval, Bloomberg reported, citing people familiar with the matter.
The first stage would see European troops – including hundreds of British and French soldiers – being stationed in Ukraine, away from the front line, to help its military with training and reinforcements.
~Snip~
It comes as Polish officials claimed a Russian drone crashed in a field in eastern Poland on Wednesday, in what Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz, Poland’s defence minister, called a “provocation” from the Kremlin.
The drone hit and scorched a cornfield in the village of Osiny in the eastern Lublin province overnight, just over 62 miles from the Ukrainian border and around 90 km from Belarus, according to early findings, Polish officials said.
Poland has been on high alert for objects entering its airspace since a stray Ukrainian missile struck a southern Polish village in 2022, killing two people.


Commentary:
These are clearly irreconcilable differences. The people of the Ukraine would never go for this.
This shows Putin’s intensions all along, going back to 2014 and before, that he wanted full control of Ukraine and that Yanukovych was his *****. Putin is not serious about ending the war.
This is not logical. We are supposed to give Russia the veto power over whether Russia is invading Ukraine again?
Walk away. Sell more arms. Bomb pipelines, financially destroy the Russian economy and give the Ukrainians the ability to do to Russia as the Russians are doing to them. Start bombing their cities and population.
There's no reason for the Ukrainians to give up because the violence won't end: if Russia takes over or a Russian puppet is installed, every current politician and army member will be murdered or jailed and tortured.
Counter proposal to Putin through Lavrov is as follows:
Opening gambit: Is Russian prepared to give up all the land it has conquered including the Crimea in return for this agreement?
Seems reasonable.
 

Russia: We must have veto power over Ukraine security guarantees​

20 Aug 2025 ~~ By Iona Cleave

Russia will only agree to security guarantees for Ukraine if it has the power to veto them, its foreign minister has said.
Sergei Lavrov said that any attempt to bolster Ukrainian security that did not involve Moscow was a “road to nowhere” and “will not work”.
Mr Lavrov said a “very good example” of a potential blueprint could be found in the Istanbul framework of 2022.
Under a draft discussed at the time, Ukraine would have received guarantees from a group of countries including the five permanent members of the UN Security Council – China, Russia, the United States, Britain and France.
Kyiv rejected the proposal as it would have given Moscow veto power over its national security.
On Tuesday, Donald Trump ruled out putting American boots on the ground once a peace deal is signed, but instead suggested the US was prepared to provide air support to police Ukraine’s skies.
Mr Trump told Fox News: “When it comes to security, they’re [Europe] willing to put people on the ground.”
~Snip~
‘No limitations’ should be put on Ukraine
Last week, Sir Keir Starmer and his European counterparts said “no limitations should be placed on Ukraine’s armed forces or its cooperation with third countries.”
It comes amid reports that about 10 European countries are ready to send forces to Ukraine as part of security guarantees for the country following a peace deal.
~Snip~
On Tuesday, European officials fleshed out the plan to send a multinational “reassurance force” to deter future Russian aggression and now await Mr Trump’s approval, Bloomberg reported, citing people familiar with the matter.
The first stage would see European troops – including hundreds of British and French soldiers – being stationed in Ukraine, away from the front line, to help its military with training and reinforcements.
~Snip~
It comes as Polish officials claimed a Russian drone crashed in a field in eastern Poland on Wednesday, in what Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz, Poland’s defence minister, called a “provocation” from the Kremlin.
The drone hit and scorched a cornfield in the village of Osiny in the eastern Lublin province overnight, just over 62 miles from the Ukrainian border and around 90 km from Belarus, according to early findings, Polish officials said.
Poland has been on high alert for objects entering its airspace since a stray Ukrainian missile struck a southern Polish village in 2022, killing two people.


Commentary:
These are clearly irreconcilable differences. The people of the Ukraine would never go for this.
This shows Putin’s intensions all along, going back to 2014 and before, that he wanted full control of Ukraine and that Yanukovych was his *****. Putin is not serious about ending the war.
This is not logical. We are supposed to give Russia the veto power over whether Russia is invading Ukraine again?
Walk away. Sell more arms. Bomb pipelines, financially destroy the Russian economy and give the Ukrainians the ability to do to Russia as the Russians are doing to them. Start bombing their cities and population.
There's no reason for the Ukrainians to give up because the violence won't end: if Russia takes over or a Russian puppet is installed, every current politician and army member will be murdered or jailed and tortured.
Counter proposal to Putin through Lavrov is as follows:
Opening gambit: Is Russian prepared to give up all the land it has conquered including the Crimea in return for this agreement?
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Hold elections in Ukraine, I'd sorta like to hear what the Uke people think of it all.....And their leadership.
when your fav, Moscow🇷🇺 ulus will hold elections? not "elections", but the real one ?

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The current Ukrainian regime caused the war, so of course Russia wants a say about what goes on in a regime that has slaughtered so many ethnic Russians in Donbas, and Russian soldiers that came to their defense.

Ukrainian Parliament Member ATTACKS Zelensky & Blames Him For War!​

Aug 20, 2025
"Ukrainian MP Alexander Dubinsky, who denounced Zelensky as illegitimate after his mandate expired in 2024, has argued that only new elections can restore peace. In an open letter, Dubinsky appealed to Trump, Rubio, and Vance, claiming Zelensky canceled elections, outlawed opposition, and betrayed his original promises to pursue peace with Russia. "
 
Trump can't do a thing about Putin, apparently.

FR, UK, POL, GER can unilaterally guarantee Ukraine's freedom until 2029 when Ukraine can join NATO in a hearbeat.
 
The blob said he'd have it solved before he took office.
What happened?
The intelligent question is “What is happening?”.
It’s an ongoing process, dullard. Do try to keep up.
 
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