The Bizarre Matter of Putin's Summer Palace

[Zavulon]

Well, if you insist on killing your young men, I won't stop you.

Funny, but you don't care about all those young and old men and women (as well as children and transgenders) who are going to die pretty soon.

You're welcome to give it your best shot.

Yep. That's what I think.

You know, been a long time since we added any states. And I like trees.

And you are going to lose even what you already have.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No. I just said, that it was not Putin (source of all evil in the modern Western mythology) who created NATO, forced it to expand and kill Russian people in Ukraine.
There are western countries, who united (as they did many times before) in their russophoby in just another anti-Russian alliance, and started, as they always do, their typical Drung nuch Osten. And Putin is just a typical Russian leader (not best, not worst) who just have no other option but to fight back and defeat all those enemies.

And I'm wondering why you bothered to say Putin didn't create NATO. Doesn't matter who created NATO or why it was created to this conversation.

And NATO didn't go and kill Russian people in the Ukraine before Putin's war.

And you're claiming that certain Western countries had it in for Putin, so because of this Putin was somehow forced to invade the Ukraine.

What lack of logic is that?

And Putin was playing games in the Ukraine right from the start of his presidency. Getting political candidates poisoned and the like. Trying to force the Ukraine to do what he wanted them to do, like he successfully did with Belarus.

 

[Zavulon]

And I'm wondering why you bothered to say Putin didn't create NATO. Doesn't matter who created NATO or why it was created to this conversation.

Of course it matters. NATO is an anti-Russian alliance of traditionally anti-Russian countries. If Russia wants survive, then Russia can keep the close eye on it and take preempive measerues against this potential treat, one way or another. One of those measures was creation of Warsaw Pact and countering pro-NATO mutenees in it.
Then there were Reagan -Gorbachov deal. Like, you know, let's be friends, Russia doesn't expand westward, NATO doesn't expand eastward. Nobody attacks anybody other but for self-defense or UNSC permission. Markets became open and we are opening to the way of mutual safety and prosperity. The very idea of the deal was good. But there was a problem of trust. There was strong opinion that we can't trust Americans, and people who believed that were right. In 1999 NATO (Collective West) totally smashed the very idea of post-WWII world order, as well as Reagan-Gorbachov deal. That is exactly why Putin in was choosen in 1999 and elected in 2000. Like "We need years of preparations, but we should get ready to the big war against West". Further western actuons (NATO expansion and illegal and unprovoked aggression against Iraq) just proved that he was right.

And NATO didn't go and kill Russian people in the Ukraine before Putin's war.

Plain lie. Ukrainian nazionalistic organisations, like UPA were inherited by CIA from Nazi Germany, and they have been killing Russian people during the whole cold war. After formal end of Cold War, they continued to attack pro-Russian activists in Ukraine and kill Russian soldiers in Chechnya (which is a part of Russian Federation).

May be, money for Ukrainian Neo-Nazi organizations (as well as for Baltic Neo-Nazi regimes) murderers of Odessa Massacre, didn't came through formal NATO structures, but they definitely came from NATO countries. And no, NATO-country sponsored goons commited Odessa Massacre and, what is much worse, NATO countries officially supported it.

And you're claiming that certain Western countries had it in for Putin, so because of this Putin was somehow forced to invade the Ukraine.

I don't care about Putin at all. It's some kind of your obsession with personalities. May be it is result of your political system, "Society of Buffonade" where they make you to think that all those clowns on the political state are real decision-makers.
May be, it is result of your racism. Like, you know, "every individual Russian is stupid and weak and only the magic power of the Dark Lord made a them a dangerous force". Like they ruined the last season of "The Games of Thrones". Kill the King of Night and the whole Army of Dead actually died. It was stupid in the movie, and it is even more stupid in reality.

What lack of logic is that?

Logic is simple. You came on our land and started to kill our people. Now we are going to kill you. May be - 90% of you.

And Putin was playing games in the Ukraine right from the start of his presidency.

As if Eltzin didn't played games in Ukraine. The very definition of the word Ukraine (Borderland) means that it is arena for playing games.

Getting political candidates poisoned and the like. Trying to force the Ukraine to do what he wanted them to do, like he successfully did with Belarus.

Yep. That's what all countries do. As if don't try to influence the USA, and the USA don't try to influence Russia and Ukraine.

 

[luiza]

What did one war criminal tell the other?




Just a Russian and his asset exchanging information.

Just two Jewish leaders chatting

 

[luiza]

Interesting that Russia Doomsday Radio has played Swan Lake .

It suggests that the US terrorists behind the Midgets back have crossed a huge red line .

I expect Russia might now start using Oreshniks in Kiev and Odessa .
Regardless, there will be a terrible infrastructure price to pay plus direct attacks on Decision Making Centres which are full of NATO troops and officers .

The US made a terrible blunder when authorising and managing the drone attacks .

 

[frigidweirdo]

Of course it matters. NATO is an anti-Russian alliance of traditionally anti-Russian countries. If Russia wants survive, then Russia can keep the close eye on it and take preempive measerues against this potential treat, one way or another. One of those measures was creation of Warsaw Pact and countering pro-NATO mutenees in it.
Then there were Reagan -Gorbachov deal. Like, you know, let's be friends, Russia doesn't expand westward, NATO doesn't expand eastward. Nobody attacks anybody other but for self-defense or UNSC permission. Markets became open and we are opening to the way of mutual safety and prosperity. The very idea of the deal was good. But there was a problem of trust. There was strong opinion that we can't trust Americans, and people who believed that were right. In 1999 NATO (Collective West) totally smashed the very idea of post-WWII world order, as well as Reagan-Gorbachov deal. That is exactly why Putin in was choosen in 1999 and elected in 2000. Like "We need years of preparations, but we should get ready to the big war against West". Further western actuons (NATO expansion and illegal and unprovoked aggression against Iraq) just proved that he was right.


Plain lie. Ukrainian nazionalistic organisations, like UPA were inherited by CIA from Nazi Germany, and they have been killing Russian people during the whole cold war. After formal end of Cold War, they continued to attack pro-Russian activists in Ukraine and kill Russian soldiers in Chechnya (which is a part of Russian Federation).

May be, money for Ukrainian Neo-Nazi organizations (as well as for Baltic Neo-Nazi regimes) murderers of Odessa Massacre, didn't came through formal NATO structures, but they definitely came from NATO countries. And no, NATO-country sponsored goons commited Odessa Massacre and, what is much worse, NATO countries officially supported it.


I don't care about Putin at all. It's some kind of your obsession with personalities. May be it is result of your political system, "Society of Buffonade" where they make you to think that all those clowns on the political state are real decision-makers.
May be, it is result of your racism. Like, you know, "every individual Russian is stupid and weak and only the magic power of the Dark Lord made a them a dangerous force". Like they ruined the last season of "The Games of Thrones". Kill the King of Night and the whole Army of Dead actually died. It was stupid in the movie, and it is even more stupid in reality.


Logic is simple. You came on our land and started to kill our people. Now we are going to kill you. May be - 90% of you.



As if Eltzin didn't played games in Ukraine. The very definition of the word Ukraine (Borderland) means that it is arena for playing games.


Yep. That's what all countries do. As if don't try to influence the USA, and the USA don't try to influence Russia and Ukraine.

NATO was made as an anti-SOVIET alliance. After the fall of the USSR it became just a safety net for western European countries.

Other countries joined, like Latvia and Estonia, because it offered protection against Russian aggression. And look how right they were.

There wouldn't be a need for such a thing if Putin weren't such a fucktard.

And yes, the US tried to influence the Ukraine, but didn't care much. Putin wanted the USSR back and he's been playing games with all those countries. He though he had the Ukraine, and wham, he didn't learn from history.

 

[luiza]

Putin wanted the USSR back and he's been playing games with all those countries. He though he had the Ukraine, and wham, he didn't learn from history.

Everything Pooters had done is 100% the opposite of what he would have done if he had "wanted the USSR back"

Your asssertion is simply regurgitation of the narrative that you have been gullible in swallowing .

That is , it is 100% incorrect .

He does not even want the whole of Ukraine --- the West is not pro Russian and has next to nothing to offer in GDP terms .
He would likely be happy to let Poland , Hungary and Romania scrap over pieces of it that they once owned .

Which is exactly what I told you when the Theatre started .

 

[Zavulon]

NATO was made as an anti-SOVIET alliance. After the fall of the USSR it became just a safety net for western European countries.

Other countries joined, like Latvia and Estonia, because it offered protection against Russian aggression. And look how right they were.

There wouldn't be a need for such a thing if Putin weren't such a fucktard.

And yes, the US tried to influence the Ukraine, but didn't care much. Putin wanted the USSR back and he's been playing games with all those countries. He though he had the Ukraine, and wham, he didn't learn from history.

C'mon... Russian Caganate, The Great Duchy of Moscow, Russian Empire, the Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics, Russian Federation - those are just stages of Russia. One may say even different suits. It is the same Mama Russia. And the Western Barbarians, however they name themselves, whatever they declare as their goals are absolutely the same people. They come to Russia to kill, pillage, rape and destroy. That was they were name themselves Knight Orders and came in Northern Crusades, same they do now. Leopard can't change its spots.
And right now, during our very conversation, you just prove it by telling me something like: "You, Russians, are subhumans, bloodthristy goons, lead by irrational dictator, who are committing unprovoked acts of aggression simply because you are evil". Right?
Is that what do you actually mean?

 

[luiza]

C'mon... Russian Caganate, The Great Duchy of Moscow, Russian Empire, the Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics, Russian Federation - those are just stages of Russia. One may say even different suits. It is the same Mama Russia. And the Western Barbarians, however they name themselves, whatever they declare as their goals are absolutely the same people. They come to Russia to kill, pillage, rape and destroy. That was they were name themselves Knight Orders and came in Northern Crusades, same they do now. Leopard can't change its spots.
And right now, during our very conversation, you just prove it by telling me something like: "You, Russians, are subhumans, bloodthristy goons, lead by irrational dictator, who are committing unprovoked acts of aggression simply because you are evil". Right?
Is that what do you actually mean?

Probably never left his village in the last few decades .

Once Sheeplets have accepted the poison , they are Mind Slaves .

 

[frigidweirdo]

C'mon... Russian Caganate, The Great Duchy of Moscow, Russian Empire, the Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics, Russian Federation - those are just stages of Russia. One may say even different suits. It is the same Mama Russia. And the Western Barbarians, however they name themselves, whatever they declare as their goals are absolutely the same people. They come to Russia to kill, pillage, rape and destroy. That was they were name themselves Knight Orders and came in Northern Crusades, same they do now. Leopard can't change its spots.
And right now, during our very conversation, you just prove it by telling me something like: "You, Russians, are subhumans, bloodthristy goons, lead by irrational dictator, who are committing unprovoked acts of aggression simply because you are evil". Right?
Is that what do you actually mean?

So, Russia can't change its spots, Russia will always be a danger to its neighbors, so they want NATO to stop Russia. Russia gets angry at countries trying to protect itself.

Then you get into a stupid war that you can't win, complaining other countries are getting involved and at some point your economy will just flop and die. Well done.

 

[Correll]

Funny, but you don't care about all those young and old men and women (as well as children and transgenders) who are going to die pretty soon.

Yep. That's what I think.

And you are going to lose even what you already have.

Whatever dude. You keep coping. I will keep supporting Trump and his efforts to end the dying of your young men.

 

[Zavulon]

So, Russia can't change its spots, Russia will always be a danger to its neighbors, so they want NATO to stop Russia. Russia gets angry at countries trying to protect itself.

Russia will be always a danger to those of neighbours who believe that the Russians are subhumans, and they can be safely discriminated, abused, robbed or killed. Russia will be always a good friend to those who want to work with Russia and see Russians as equals. And, of course, Russia never (at least in recent thousand years) started an aggressive war.

Then you get into a stupid war that you can't win, complaining other countries are getting involved and at some point your economy will just flop and die. Well done.

Of course we can win, and we shall win. That's what we almost always do. May be, you'll accept Russia-acceptable peace terms, or may be, we'll just eliminate you.

 

[Ringo]

Russia will be always a danger to those of neighbours who believe that the Russians are subhumans, and they can be safely discriminated, abused, robbed or killed.

"Hello, I am a Russian occupier. It is my profession. That is how history has unfolded.

Once upon a time, I occupied Siberia. Now, they extract oil, gas, aluminum, and many other useful resources there. Now there are cities with kindergartens and hospitals, and it is no longer possible to sell women for a bundle of sable skins, as was the case before the Russians arrived.

I occupied the Baltic states. I built factories and power stations on their farms. The Baltic states produced high-quality radio equipment and cars and were famous for their perfumes and balms. I was asked to leave. Now they catch sprats there, and part of the population cleans toilets in Europe.

I occupied Central Asia. In the bare steppes, I built canals, factories, spaceports, hospitals, and stadiums. Space rockets and airplanes were built there, industry was developed, and wheat and cotton were grown for the whole country. I was asked to leave. Now they are developing American loans and growing hemp there. And part of the population has left to work on the construction sites of the former occupiers.

I occupied Ukraine. Together with the Ukrainians, I built aircraft engines, ships, tanks, and cars. I was asked to leave. Now they are destroying everything that remains of the former occupiers, while building nothing but endless “Maidans” and dictatorships.

Yes, I am an occupier! And I'm tired of apologizing for it...

I am an occupier by birthright, I am an aggressor and a bloodthirsty monster, be afraid.

It was I who endured the atrocities of the Polish interventionists during the Time of Troubles, but how did their “intervention” end?

I burned Moscow so as not to give it to Napoleon, but how did Napoleon end up?

I sat in a trench near Volokolamsk, knowing that the Nazis could not be stopped. But where are those Nazis now, where is their damned Hitler?

Everyone who wasn't too lazy came to my house: Turks, English, French, Germans, Poles. There was enough land for everyone; 2.5 meters for each person.

Understand... I don't need your hypocritical “freedom,” I don't need your rotten “democracy,” everything you call “Western values” is alien to me.

I have other interests! This is my last polite warning. Don't push your luck.

I build peace, I love peace, but when it comes to war, I'm the best at it.

Sincerely, Russian Occupier." (с)

 

[frigidweirdo]

Russia will be always a danger to those of neighbours who believe that the Russians are subhumans, and they can be safely discriminated, abused, robbed or killed. Russia will be always a good friend to those who want to work with Russia and see Russians as equals. And, of course, Russia never (at least in recent thousand years) started an aggressive war.


Of course we can win, and we shall win. That's what we almost always do. May be, you'll accept Russia-acceptable peace terms, or may be, we'll just eliminate you.

Oh my ******* word.

Any evidence anyone thinks Russians are "sub-humans"?

Or do you just go around making shit up because you can't rely on reality to make your argument?

 

[Correll]

Russia will be always a danger to those of neighbours who believe that the Russians are subhumans, and they can be safely discriminated, abused, robbed or killed. Russia will be always a good friend to those who want to work with Russia and see Russians as equals. And, of course, Russia never (at least in recent thousand years) started an aggressive war.

....

Poland 1939.

 

[Ringo]

Poland 1939.

After the Polish government fled the country, the USSR occupied the territories of Western Belarus and Western Ukraine, most of which had been part of the Russian Empire for hundreds of years.
What, should they have allowed the nazis to occupy them?

 

[Zavulon]

"Hello, I am a Russian occupier. It is my profession. That is how history has unfolded.

Once upon a time, I occupied Siberia. Now, they extract oil, gas, aluminum, and many other useful resources there. Now there are cities with kindergartens and hospitals, and it is no longer possible to sell women for a bundle of sable skins, as was the case before the Russians arrived.

I occupied the Baltic states. I built factories and power stations on their farms. The Baltic states produced high-quality radio equipment and cars and were famous for their perfumes and balms. I was asked to leave. Now they catch sprats there, and part of the population cleans toilets in Europe.

I occupied Central Asia. In the bare steppes, I built canals, factories, spaceports, hospitals, and stadiums. Space rockets and airplanes were built there, industry was developed, and wheat and cotton were grown for the whole country. I was asked to leave. Now they are developing American loans and growing hemp there. And part of the population has left to work on the construction sites of the former occupiers.

I occupied Ukraine. Together with the Ukrainians, I built aircraft engines, ships, tanks, and cars. I was asked to leave. Now they are destroying everything that remains of the former occupiers, while building nothing but endless “Maidans” and dictatorships.

Yes, I am an occupier! And I'm tired of apologizing for it...

I am an occupier by birthright, I am an aggressor and a bloodthirsty monster, be afraid.

It was I who endured the atrocities of the Polish interventionists during the Time of Troubles, but how did their “intervention” end?

I burned Moscow so as not to give it to Napoleon, but how did Napoleon end up?

I sat in a trench near Volokolamsk, knowing that the Nazis could not be stopped. But where are those Nazis now, where is their damned Hitler?

Everyone who wasn't too lazy came to my house: Turks, English, French, Germans, Poles. There was enough land for everyone; 2.5 meters for each person.

Understand... I don't need your hypocritical “freedom,” I don't need your rotten “democracy,” everything you call “Western values” is alien to me.

I have other interests! This is my last polite warning. Don't push your luck.

I build peace, I love peace, but when it comes to war, I'm the best at it.

Sincerely, Russian Occupier." (с)

Happy New Year, Ringo!

 

[Zavulon]

Poland 1939.

It wasn't an aggressive war at least for two reasons:
1) Poland attacked Russia's ally in 1938 - Czechoslovakia and by that cancelled Soviet-Polish prace treaty, so it was collective self-defense.
2) Polish state didn't exist anymore when Soviet state came on the previously occupied by Poland lands of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. One can't kill what is already dead.

 

[Zavulon]

Oh my ******* word.

Any evidence anyone thinks Russians are "sub-humans"?

You think that Russians are subhumans, describing us as "bloodthristy goons, genetical slaves, lead by irrational dictator, evil by their very nature, and all truly European people have right to slaughter them".

We do what we do because we have pretty good reasons to do it. And Putin is not a Dark Lord, magically controlling us, but a mere human being, a high ranked politician, basically doing what he have to do. Basically, as for all human being our main motivation is self-preservation and we are better informed about situation in Russia and Ukraine than you.

Or do you just go around making shit up because you can't rely on reality to make your argument?

I do care about reaility. And I suggest you return to reality, or at least, to something "realistic".

 

[Correll]

After the Polish government fled the country, the USSR occupied the territories of Western Belarus and Western Ukraine, most of which had been part of the Russian Empire for hundreds of years.
What, should they have allowed the nazis to occupy them?

Here is a photo of the nazi and soviet soldiers meeting in the center of Poland, to celebrate their joint invasion and occupation.

You can tell by looking at them, that this is a meeting of FRIENDS and ALLIES.

Joint invasion, an aggressive war.