Russia, Ukraine Signal Progress Being Made in Negotiations.

[Donald H]

Russia, Ukraine Signal Progress Being Made in Negotiations - News From Antiwar.com

On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Russia and Ukraine are close to reaching a deal on Kyiv's neutrality, while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said peace talks are beginning to sound "more realistic." "Neutral status is now being seriously discussed along, of...

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Peace is possible mainly because both Russia and Ukraine can get pretty well all they ever wanted.

Peace for Ukraine and Security for Russia.

But is neutrality going to satisfy the most important demands being America's?

Sooner or later, if peace doesn't happen, either America or Russia going to finish the job by withdrawing from all the friendly agreements that govern the conduct of this war.

And which side, either America or Russia is willing to take the loss? Which side has the most to lose?

 

[Concerned American]

Russia, Ukraine Signal Progress Being Made in Negotiations - News From Antiwar.com

On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Russia and Ukraine are close to reaching a deal on Kyiv's neutrality, while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said peace talks are beginning to sound "more realistic." "Neutral status is now being seriously discussed along, of...

news.antiwar.com

Peace is possible mainly because both Russia and Ukraine can get pretty well all they ever wanted.

Peace for Ukraine and Security for Russia.

But is neutrality going to satisfy the most important demands being America's?

Sooner or later, if peace doesn't happen, either America or Russia going to finish the job by withdrawing from all the friendly agreements that govern the conduct of this war.

And which side, either America or Russia is willing to take the loss? Which side has the most to lose?

Of course Russia is willing to negotiate--now. They control everything east of the Dnieper River and the Black Sea coast. All of the places where the national wealth is centered. Western Ukraine doesn't have anything the Russians want. Nothing burger.

 

[White 6]

Russia, Ukraine Signal Progress Being Made in Negotiations - News From Antiwar.com

On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Russia and Ukraine are close to reaching a deal on Kyiv's neutrality, while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said peace talks are beginning to sound "more realistic." "Neutral status is now being seriously discussed along, of...

news.antiwar.com

Peace is possible mainly because both Russia and Ukraine can get pretty well all they ever wanted.

Peace for Ukraine and Security for Russia.

But is neutrality going to satisfy the most important demands being America's?

Sooner or later, if peace doesn't happen, either America or Russia going to finish the job by withdrawing from all the friendly agreements that govern the conduct of this war.

And which side, either America or Russia is willing to take the loss? Which side has the most to lose?

What friendly agreement does Russia have. They smile while they gun down unarmed civilian people in the street, or in bread lines?

 

[Donald H]

Of course Russia is willing to negotiate--now. They control everything east of the Dnieper River and the Black Sea coast. All of the places where the national wealth is centered. Western Ukraine doesn't have anything the Russians want. Nothing burger.

A safer talking point would be saying that Russia wants peace because they are losing. But what the hell, you've committed yourself now and there's no way of turning back.

Not much of a propaganda technician today!

 

[Concerned American]

A safer talking point would be saying that Russia wants peace because they are losing. But what the hell, you've committed yourself now and there's no way of turning back.

Not much of a propaganda technician today!

And your point is, duck? The fact of the matter is your attempt at propaganda was a failure to any thinking person. But how can any more be expected from a commie Russian/CCP troll.

 

[Donald H]

What friendly agreement does Russia have. They smile while they gun down unarmed civilian people in the street, or in bread lines?

You're not aware of all the rules that make this war friendly? Such as:

No nukes allowed.

No Nato country involvement allowed.

No Russian hostilities into Nato countries allowed.

Not fair for Russia to end the war quickly, Iraq style bombing.

Not fair for US to send aircraft in to shoot Russians.

Not fair to call it a Russia/America war.

And that's just the big ones, never mind all the small friendly ones that have mutually agreed upon.

 

[ThirdTerm]

Russia softened its stance on the peace deal because the high level of Russian casualties. The fourth Russian general was killed near Mariupol in a targeted assassination.

 

[Donald H]

And your point is, duck? The fact of the matter is your attempt at propaganda was a failure to any thinking person. But how can any more be expected from a commie Russian/CCP troll.

I don't want to talk to you if you're going to be a petulant pissant with hurt feelings.

 

[MarathonMike]

Russia, Ukraine Signal Progress Being Made in Negotiations - News From Antiwar.com

On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Russia and Ukraine are close to reaching a deal on Kyiv's neutrality, while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said peace talks are beginning to sound "more realistic." "Neutral status is now being seriously discussed along, of...

news.antiwar.com

Peace is possible mainly because both Russia and Ukraine can get pretty well all they ever wanted.

Peace for Ukraine and Security for Russia.

But is neutrality going to satisfy the most important demands being America's?

Sooner or later, if peace doesn't happen, either America or Russia going to finish the job by withdrawing from all the friendly agreements that govern the conduct of this war.

And which side, either America or Russia is willing to take the loss? Which side has the most to lose?

Anything that stops the bombing of innocent people in their houses would be great. I am skeptical that Putin is sincere about anything he says. He seems to use NATO as an excuse for his inexcusable attack on Ukraine. The same way he uses a handful of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine as an excuse to "de-Nazify" Ukraine.

 

[Donald H]

Russia softened its stance on the peace deal because the high level of Russian casualties. The fourth Russian general was killed near Mariupol in a targeted assassination.

This has a lot to do with the reason why Russia could agree with a friendly war with rules that restrict the damage. The Russians and the Ukrainians would be friends if it wasn't for outside interference and the need to encroach on Russia's borders and then go on the offensive to breaking up Russia.

 

[Concerned American]

I don't want to talk to you if you're going to be a petulant pissant with hurt feelings.

Fuck off, duck. Too bad. You are the one with hurt feelings every time your true agenda is outed. You are as transparent as a freshly washed window.

 

[Donald H]

Anything that stops the bombing of innocent people in their houses would be great. I am skeptical that Putin is sincere about anything he says. He seems to use NATO as an excuse for his inexcusable attack on Ukraine. The same way he uses a handful of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine as an excuse to "de-Nazify" Ukraine.

Yes, Russia does use Nato as their excuse. That's Russia's undeniable talking point. And Russia does spotlight the Nazi faction in the Ukraine, that the West needs to acknowledge exists. A handful? What's a handful? Hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands?

Will you research the question for us?

 

[White 6]

You're not aware of all the rules that make this war friendly? Such as:

No nukes allowed.

No Nato country involvement allowed.

No Russian hostilities into Nato countries allowed.

Not fair for Russia to end the war quickly, Iraq style bombing.

Not fair for US to send aircraft in to shoot Russians.

Not fair to call it a Russia/America war.

And that's just the big ones, never mind all the small friendly ones that have mutually agreed upon.

You call that rules? What a joke.
Russian had better not use Nukes or they are Fkd and they know it.
NATO does not want into a shooting war and will not, unless Russia screws up and attacks a NATO and then Russia will be Fkd.
I have no idea what you mean by the next one.
We aren't sending plane, as we don't want a shooting war and Ukraine is not a NATO country.
Next one is dumb, as it is a Russia attacking Ukraine war.
Those were not big ones, just dumb ones.

 

[Concerned American]

Anything that stops the bombing of innocent people in their houses would be great. I am skeptical that Putin is sincere about anything he says. He seems to use NATO as an excuse for his inexcusable attack on Ukraine. The same way he uses a handful of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine as an excuse to "de-Nazify" Ukraine.

Putin isn't concerned with anything more than the resources that Ukraine has to offer--the eastern part of the country is rich in resources and Russia would like nothing better than to control the entire north coast of the Black Sea.

 

[Concerned American]

Will you research the question for us?

It's your OP, duck. Research it yourself.

 

[Donald H]

You call that rules? What a joke.
Russian had better not use Nukes or they are Fkd and they know it.
NATO does not want into a shooting war and will not, unless Russia screws up and attacks a NATO and then Russia will be Fkd.

I would guess that even a mistake that resulted in a few deaths on the other side would be carefully brushed off as just a mistake that didn't violate the big rule on nukes.

I have no idea what you mean by the next one.

Oh yes you do.

We aren't sending plane, as we don't want a shooting war and Ukraine is not a NATO country.
Next one is dumb, as it is a Russia attacking Ukraine war.

A war between Russia and America in which Amlerica is using a proxy country.

Those were not big ones, just dumb ones.

Big rules or small rules, you can decide and I'll leave it as your decision. At least you're aware of some of the rules......

 

[White 6]

I would guess that even a mistake that resulted in a few deaths on the other side would be carefully brushed off as just a mistake that didn't violate the big rule on nukes.

Oh yes you do.

A war between Russia and America in which Amlerica is using a proxy country.

Big rules or small rules, you can decide and I'll leave it as your decision. At least you're aware of some of the rules......

Don't be a fool, Ivan.

 

[meaner gene]

You're not aware of all the rules that make this war friendly? Such as:

No nukes allowed.

No Russian hostilities into Nato countries allowed.

You know that nukes and NATO go together.

 

[Concerned American]

A war between Russia and America in which Amlerica is using a proxy country.

Are you trying to deflect from Canada's part in this fiasco, duck? Let us not forget the Canadian parliament's standing ovation for Zelensky when he came hat in hand. But that evidently doesn't fit well with your commie narrative.

 

[Donald H]

You know that nukes and NATO go together.

M.A.D. has saved the entire world's as-es for nearly 80 years but this is getting pretty scary!

I think Russia/Putin and the Russian people have the resolve to never again face what they suffered during WW2.

And If America has the resolve to hold onto what it's almost gained, then we're in very big trouble.

Even a peace that leaves Russia having to face the whole challenge over again would be better than no peace.

And as for Zelensky, he needs to be gagged and tied up to his chair. He's only aggravating the situation for the major players.