Russia Sucks at War

[Toro]

Boom!

 

[ESay]

The Russians seem to get their sorry asses out of Snake Island. Russian MoD confirms this and cites 'good will' as a cause in doing so.

Yeah, good will always arises after seeing such pictures

 

[gipper]

Boom!

Yeah because you and ESay believe everything the Ukrainians and USG and it’s controlled media have said about this war, even though most of it has been proven lies and propaganda.

 

[para bellum]

The Russians seem to get their sorry asses out of Snake Island. Russian MoD confirms this and cites 'good will' as a cause in doing so.

Ukraine has been pounding them all week with 155mm base bleed shells and HIMARS. They have properly fucked off from Snake Island (and left a whole bunch of smoldering equipment).

 

[ESay]

Ukraine has been pounding them all week with 155mm base bleed shells and HIMARS. They have properly fucked off from Snake Island (and left a whole bunch of smoldering equipment).

Yes, I definitely like their gestures of free will. The first one was when they pulled back from Kiev and the North; now it is Snake Island.

Can't wait to see another gesture about Kherson and the Dnieper right bank.

 

[para bellum]

Can't wait to see another gesture about Kherson and the Dnieper right bank.

I think the Ukrainian General Staff has decided to wait until later in the summer to mount the counteroffensive. Just my impression. The battle in the Donbas has been expensive in terms of experienced fighters, and while they are getting replacements, the experience level is not the same. Taking a little more time for training and allowing more NATO heavy weapons to arrive isn't a bad move.

What they have been concentrating on is the command HQ's and ammunition storage sites. They are having good effect at taking out the targets, but the UA is not really able to exploit the advantage. So they took out the HQ of the 20th CAA, but they did not remove the 20th CAA from the Russian ORBAT. That's kind of a missed opportunity for the UA.

About ten days ago 100 railcars of ammunition moved from Belarus to Russia. Today another 20 railcars are on the move. That's an indication of Russian ammunition reserves (shortages). The UA has been successfully destroying 1 or 2 ammo dumps every day. A big one in Luhansk exploded for several hours after it was struck.

Ammunition, C2, and technical trucks. They can't outnumber the Russian arty, but they can cripple it's logistics.

Look at the pictures of the 20th CAA base at that school. Notice all the SUV's and other civilian vehicles. 4 months into the war, the main HQ should not have any vehicles that are not mil-spec.

How much is a set of new car tires in Russia right now? I bet they are almost impossible to find.

 

[ESay]

I think the Ukrainian General Staff has decided to wait until later in the summer to mount the counteroffensive. Just my impression. The battle in the Donbas has been expensive in terms of experienced fighters, and while they are getting replacements, the experience level is not the same. Taking a little more time for training and allowing more NATO heavy weapons to arrive isn't a bad move.

What they have been concentrating on is the command HQ's and ammunition storage sites. They are having good effect at taking out the targets, but the UA is not really able to exploit the advantage. So they took out the HQ of the 20th CAA, but they did not remove the 20th CAA from the Russian ORBAT. That's kind of a missed opportunity for the UA.

About ten days ago 100 railcars of ammunition moved from Belarus to Russia. Today another 20 railcars are on the move. That's an indication of Russian ammunition reserves (shortages). The UA has been successfully destroying 1 or 2 ammo dumps every day. A big one in Luhansk exploded for several hours after it was struck.

Ammunition, C2, and technical trucks. They can't outnumber the Russian arty, but they can cripple it's logistics.

Look at the pictures of the 20th CAA base at that school. Notice all the SUV's and other civilian vehicles. 4 months into the war, the main HQ should not have any vehicles that are not mil-spec.

How much is a set of new car tires in Russia right now? I bet they are almost impossible to find.

Yes, I understand this. I don't and can't hurry anyone. The Ukrainian army can't jump above its head. But the fingers are crossed, anyway.

 

[Ringo]

Thanks to the supply of long-range weapons from Europe and from other Nazi collaborators, Ukraine can shoot and reach up to Snake Island.
Russians can do it too.

The island will be no man's land.
The Russians have left there, and the Ukrainians will not come there. Except for a propaganda photo in the style of Iwo Jima

The Russian Armed Forces withdrew the garrison that was there, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.
Thus, it was demonstrated to the world community that the Russian Federation does not hinder the efforts of the UN to organize a humanitarian corridor for the export of agricultural products from the territory of Ukraine. This will make it difficult for Kiev to speculate on the topic of the impending food crisis, referring to the impossibility of exporting grain due to total control by Russia.

 

[Sunni Man]

The Russians decided that Snake Island had no strategic or tactical benefit and withdrew from the island.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Yes, I definitely like their gestures of free will. The first one was when they pulled back from Kiev and the North; now it is Snake Island.

Can't wait to see another gesture about Kherson and the Dnieper right bank.

Ukraine is about to lose the 350 000 dwellers Lisichansk-Severodonetsk agglomeration yet an island the size of less than a square kilometer being left by Russians is so important to you? The fact that it's abandoned doesn't mean it's going to be taken by Hohols. Even if it is, when their numbers and ammunition's worth is good enough to spend a Kalibr missile on them the fuckers will be wiped off it in no time. There's just no need for the Russians to waste the manpower and resources trying to defend it so far. Add to this the grain transfer bullshit and everyone's a winner. So don't get your hopes too high, losers. The Ukrs are dying out faster than The Sky News is letting you know.

 

[ESay]

Ukraine is about to lose the 350 000 dwellers Lisichansk-Severodonetsk agglomeration yet an island the size of less than a square kilometer being left by Russians is so important to you? The fact that it's abandoned doesn't mean it's going to be taken by Hohols. Even if it is, when their numbers and ammunition's worth is good enough to spend a Kalibr missile on them the fuckers will be wiped off it in no time. There's just no need for the Russians to waste the manpower and resources trying to defend it so far. Add to this the grain transfer bullshit and everyone's a winner. So don't get your hopes too high, losers. The Ukrs are dying out faster than The Sky News is letting you know.

Yes, no worries, it is another win for Moscow. Move on.

 

[para bellum]

Well Moscow certainly believed Snake Island had a strategic value on Feb 25....

It's more important to deny the Island to Russia than for Ukraine to have a presence there. The island is strategically significant because whoever holds it can threaten coastal airspace in Ukraine and Romania and Moldova, and threaten the shipping lanes out of Odesa.

Russia does not need the island to blockade Odesa- they can still do it with ships. So losing the island does not change the course of the war. But it is still a victory for Ukraine, and the symbolic win is a big boost for Ukrainian morale.

Russia did not withdraw by choice. They were forced off, probably without orders from above. What was left of the garrison loaded into 2 patrol boats and sped away in the middle of the night.

The fact that Russia tried to bomb the island to destroy the remaining equipment illustrates that. An orderly withdrawal, they would have destroyed the equipment before they abandoned the position.

They didn't do that because they didn't have time.

BTW, 3 of the 4 bombs they dropped the next day missed the island entirely, lol.

I doubt Ukraine will try to put people there (beyond a flag mission)- they don't have the ability to defend it and resupply a garrison at the moment. When they do, it will be NASAMS and a Harpoon battery to extend the area of denial in the NW Black Sea.

For such a "useless" rock, the Russians expended an enormous amount of resources to hold it. Russia tried to use the island to replace the air defenses and C2 they lost when the Moskva was sunk- but islands are not ships, lol.

I don't even have a complete list- but at least 3 Tor batteries, one Pantsir battery, multiple command vehicles, multiple radars, ECM/EW and SIGINT systems, 2 anti-aircraft guns, 3 Raptor patrol boats, one Serna landing craft, the Vasily Behk tug and it's Tor battery, an Mi-8 and it's full compliment, and a heavily damaged Guided Missile Corvette.

Just sayin...

 

[para bellum]

As a gesture of goodwill, Ukraine will help destroy the equipment Russia abandoned on the Island. Another MRLS launcher and 3 trucks that were left on the dock...



The remains of the pier where the MRLS was sitting.

 

[Sunni Man]

When the Ukrainian forces held Snake Island it was more symbolic then of any real military value.
The Russian Army bombed the Ukrainian forces and drove them off Snake Island and set up a military base.
But now the Ukrainian's were able to shell Snake Island from Odessa using donated long range heavy artillery.
The Russians decided to evacuate Snake Island because it wasn't worth wasting soldier's lives to occupy an island that has no real strategic value.
So now neither side has any intention of stationing troops on the impossible to defend and vulnerable Snake Island in the foreseeable future.

 

[para bellum]

When the Ukrainian forces held Snake Island it was more symbolic then of any real military value.

The Ukrainians never militarized the island, there was no reason to. It was just an outpost.

Russia seized it because to Russia, it has strategic value. Russia did place weapons there, and used it as a listening post.

There never were any Ukrainian weapons there. Just a tiny village and a post office.

The fact that the Russians put so much effort into hanging onto it means it was worth something to them. It was pretty obvious (imo) after the Moskva, that Snake Island was an untenable position. But they tried to hold onto it because Putin wouldn't let go of his dream of an amphibious attack on Odesa.

The island became a symbol of Ukrainian defiance only after after they told the Moskva to go fuck themselves. Before then, it was just a barren rock off the coast that no one payed much attention to.

Kicking the Russians off denies them the strategic position from which to threaten the NW Black Sea and coastal areas, and at the same time gives the Ukrainians a big morale boost. Public morale is important in war.

 

[Sunni Man]

Kicking the Russians off denies them the strategic position from which to threaten the NW Black Sea and coastal areas

Incorrect Poindexter. ...
The Russians were never kicked off Snake Island.
They left by their own volition.
The Russian navy has more than enough ships and submarines to control the Black Sea without utilizing tiny Snake Island.

 

[para bellum]

Incorrect Poindexter. ...
The Russians were never kicked off Snake Island.
They left by their own volition.

Oh, right, It was a gesture of goodwill.

Is that why they left all that equipment there?

The Russian navy has more than enough ships and submarines to control the Black Sea without utilizing tiny Snake Island.

And yet they have lost their Flagship, a large Amphibious Landing Ship and another one out of commission. One newer missile corvette out of commission, and several smaller vessels sunk or out of commission. And they cannot venture within 100km of the Ukrainian coast, and a Russian flagged gas platform near Snake Island has been burning for ten days...

They have the ability to control only where if it's uncontested...

But my comments were not about that- they were addressing the idea that Snake Island had no strategic value. To the Russians, that was obviously not the case. Just the air defenses alone were of strategic value because they could threaten Ukrainian air operations in the area.

Moskva was providing the air defenses for that area and the fleet, they tried to use the Island to replace that loss. They failed.

 

[Sunni Man]

Oh, right, It was a gesture of goodwill.
Is that why they left all that equipment there?
And yet they have lost their Flagship, a large Amphibious Landing Ship and another one out of commission. One newer missile corvette out of commission, and several smaller vessels sunk or out of commission. And they cannot venture within 100km of the Ukrainian coast, and a Russian flagged gas platform near Snake Island has been burning for ten days...
They have the ability to control only where if it's uncontested...
But my comments were not about that- they were addressing the idea that Snake Island had no strategic value. To the Russians, that was obviously not the case. Just the air defenses alone were of strategic value because they could threaten Ukrainian air operations in the area.
Moskva was providing the air defenses for that area and the fleet, they tried to use the Island to replace that loss. They failed.

You need to stop believing the nonsense the Ukrainian propaganda spin masters feed the gullible public and access some unbiased objective news sources in order to find out what's really happening in the Ukraine conflict. ...

 

[ESay]

You need to stop believing the nonsense the Ukrainian propaganda spin masters feed the gullible public and access some unbiased objective news sources in order to find out what's really happening in the Ukraine conflict. ...

Something like RT.com.

 

[Sunni Man]

Something like RT.com.

Don't be obtuse. ...
I clearly said unbiased objective news from credible sources.