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Russia Cutting Natural Gas To Europe Is A Pearl Harbor Moment For America!

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Does the US need Russian Gas?
NO.

We have an LNG plant that has been idling down here with trenched channels for years...........Only a few years old ready to rock and roll.
 

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It means nothing to YOU because you're not that bright.

Anyone with half a brain would realize that anything that affects prices in Western Europe, and creates shortages there, will have an impact on the USA.

Americans who fail to look outside their own borders on the impact on world trade that various factors might have are guilty of being short sighted, and easily deceived. Which of course, defines anyone in the Trump Cult.
Sure will.........We are the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas .............throw us into the briar patch.............PRETTY PLEASE.
 

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A lot to consider when it comes to doing any business with Russia.

I don't hate them (Russians) but I despise the ways of their leadership. Europe will have to deal with their own issues and if they think they won't have to get their hands dirty helping Ukraine fend off those murderous filthy beast in Russia then there is a worldwide take down.

I don't have a problem with the US helping Ukraine fend off the Russia beasts and their allies.

 

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A 'pearl harbour' moment is being over melodramatic.

But it's an acknowledgment of moving in the right direction for Americans to come to a better understanding that their country is at war with Russia.

Global oil resources are beginning to fall into the hands of the great alliance that opposes America.

The Western world's countries need to come to the understanding that America's global hegemony isn't necessary as long as the opposing alliance isn't intent on grabbing world power exclusively too.
 

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A lot to consider when it comes to doing any business with Russia.

I don't hate them (Russians) but I despise the ways of their leadership. Europe will have to deal with their own issues and if they think they won't have to get their hands dirty helping Ukraine fend off those murderous filthy beast in Russia then there is a worldwide take down.

I don't have a problem with the US helping Ukraine fend off the Russia beasts and their allies.

Mod edited, deleting first sentence to keep post on topic. Your hateful musings are of no value to anybody else.
 
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Stick to calling non-christians dirty. Your hateful musings are of no value to anybody else.
There you go making up crap again from your own willful ignorance.
 

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Israels huge Med find is going to fill the gap......
Read about that years ago. Vast gas in the Med. They can join the party to bypass Russian gas............Finally something good may come from this. Our LNGs and the Med LNGs.

This is something THAT WILL HURT RUSSIA and help us and Europe at the same time.
 

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Other types of energy in the world. Europe choose to be vulnerable to Russia, even though it was clearly not a friendly neighbor.

That was their choice. That was them being ungrateful, irresponsible children.

We should leave NATO NOW.

Talk about being "ungrateful, irresponsible children". You have to be several bricks short of a load, you ungrateful, irresponsible child. Fracturing NATO was Trump's greatest gift to Putin, but it didn't take. The rest of NATO laughed at Trump's demands and his failure to have read or comprehended the NATO Agreement.

You don't care what happens to others. You're perfectly willing to see European economies suffer because there are no oil and gas reserves in Western Europe????? Is that your line of reasoning here???? How is that helpful to "US Interests", and trade agreements with your Western Allies?

You seem prepared to abandon 70 years of treaties, trade and the greatest wealth in the western world, in favour of friendship with the Russians???? What sort of person doesn't think that Putin is this generation's equivalent to Adolf Hitler? He's a man so determined to restore a lost empire that he will wipe an entire people off the face of the earth to make his dreams come true.

You sound like a Russian plant, promoting the idea that Europe brought the Ukrainian war on themselves, and should be made to suffer for it. Just like the guy you voted for, a Putin Puppet.
 

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You don't care what happens to others. You're perfectly willing to see European economies suffer because there are no oil and gas reserves in Western Europe????? Is that your line of reasoning here???? How is that helpful to "US Interests", and trade agreements with your Western Allies?
We WARNED THEM. Hell we have Defended them since WWII. Germany is whole because of us...........The USSR is gone because of us.

They were told to find gas elsewhere and lose their dependency on Russia.......And to better arm themselves if Russia attacked.

They didn't listen...............Now they are over a barrel for it...................We have vast NATURL GAS HERE...........we will supply it and make a fortune off of it........and Russia will not.........Not to mention Israel will soon have very large gas available in the Med.............looking good to me in a year or so.......not so much for Russia.

You seem prepared to abandon 70 years of treaties, trade and the greatest wealth in the western world, in favour of friendship with the Russians???? What sort of person thinks that Putin is this generation's equivalent to Adolf Hitler - a man so determined to restore a lost empire that he will wipe an entire people off the face of the earth to make his dreams come true.

You sound like a Russian plant, promoting the idea that Europe brought the Ukrainian war on themselves, and should be made to suffer for it. Just like the guy you voted for, a Putin Puppet.
That is a bunch of garbage Canuck. Had Trump been in office I don't think Putin would have ever invaded.........Trump was and still is a loose cannon......And Putin KNOWS IT.

The FEAR he would pull the trigger is called DETENTE...........and that is why Putin wouldn't have invaded under Trump. Now a weak as bitch like Biden.........who they have dirt from hell on...........Hell it's a green light to invade.
 

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Oh? You're concerned about energy prices rising here now? LOL.


Meanwhile, we need to leave NATO before these idiot children manage to get US dragged into WWIII.


We should have spent the last 30 years using diplomacy to reduce tensions and build a peace. Too late now. Now it's time to just walk away from the idiots.

I'm concerned that the war in the Ukraine ends, and the world gets back to rebuilding the post-pandemic economy with as little unnecessary disruption as possible.

The world has lost millions of people, mostly in our most productive economies, since they had the most business people travelling and working between countries, and spreading it around. The Chinese government didn't spread the virus around the world. The world's business and scientific community spread it travelling back and forth to China to live, work, visit.

China's production capacity has been stifled by continuing outbreaks in manufacturing zones, and this is affecting supply lines throughout the world. Construction and infrastructure investment came to a halt during the pandemic, and the entire world is going through some economic difficulty as necessary re-structuring takes place.

All of which is complicated by the war in the Ukraine, and the costs it has imposed on the rest of the world.

Republicans, being simple minded beings, cannot comprehend economic conditions this complex and intertwined, so they simply blame Biden for all of it.
 

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I'm concerned that the war in the Ukraine ends, and the world gets back to rebuilding the post-pandemic economy with as little unnecessary disruption as possible.

The world has lost millions of people, mostly in our most productive economies, since they had the most business people travelling and working between countries, and spreading it around. The Chinese government didn't spread the virus around the world. The world's business and scientific community spread it travelling back and forth to China to live, work, visit.

China's production capacity has been stifled by continuing outbreaks in manufacturing zones, and this is affecting supply lines throughout the world. Construction and infrastructure investment came to a halt during the pandemic, and the entire world is going through some economic difficulty as necessary re-structuring takes place.

All of which is complicated by the war in the Ukraine, and the costs it has imposed on the rest of the world.

Republicans, being simple minded beings, cannot comprehend economic conditions this complex and intertwined, so they simply blame Biden for all of it.
Translation...
The Chinese government doesn't care who dies and never will.
 

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Sure will.........We are the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas .............throw us into the briar patch.............PRETTY PLEASE.

What does that have to do with anything?
 

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Fuck Europe. I hope they all fucking die. It's none of our concern and NOT OUR FUCKING PROBLEM.
 

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You know, Texas has plenty of natural gas for Texas.

I hope the rest of you motherfuckers get NOTHING and you prices go through the roof.

:laughing0301:
 

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Talk about being "ungrateful, irresponsible children". You have to be several bricks short of a load, you ungrateful, irresponsible child. Fracturing NATO was Trump's greatest gift to Putin, but it didn't take. The rest of NATO laughed at Trump's demands and his failure to have read or comprehended the NATO Agreement.

The NATO countries fractured that alliance when they were dicks to US, and to our President. We are looking at a real possibility of war and you are still ridiculing the guy who asked for higher spending for defense.


Dumbass.



You don't care what happens to others. You're perfectly willing to see European economies suffer because there are no oil and gas reserves in Western Europe????? Is that your line of reasoning here???? How is that helpful to "US Interests", and trade agreements with your Western Allies?

I explained my reasoning. They made the choice to not develop other energies and to instead depend on Russia. That was irresponsible of them.

Trade agreements? The ones where they fuck US? And the point is, that we don't want to be drawn into their stupid fight.

NO WAR FOR US.


You seem prepared to abandon 70 years of treaties, trade and the greatest wealth in the western world, in favour of friendship with the Russians???? What sort of person doesn't think that Putin is this generation's equivalent to Adolf Hitler? He's a man so determined to restore a lost empire that he will wipe an entire people off the face of the earth to make his dreams come true.

Funny how you get so angry with Americans when we are not diplomatic, but you were so comfortable with the Europeans when they treated President TRump like shit.

I said nothing of friendship with Russia. Try to be less of a delusional and hysterical twit.


You sound like a Russian plant, promoting the idea that Europe brought the Ukrainian war on themselves, and should be made to suffer for it. Just like the guy you voted for, a Putin Puppet.

YOu sound like someone that wants American men to die in Europe for reasons that have NOTHING to do with defending America or American interests.
 

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I'm concerned that the war in the Ukraine ends, and the world gets back to rebuilding the post-pandemic economy with as little unnecessary disruption as possible.

The world has lost millions of people, mostly in our most productive economies, since they had the most business people travelling and working between countries, and spreading it around. The Chinese government didn't spread the virus around the world. The world's business and scientific community spread it travelling back and forth to China to live, work, visit.

China's production capacity has been stifled by continuing outbreaks in manufacturing zones, and this is affecting supply lines throughout the world. Construction and infrastructure investment came to a halt during the pandemic, and the entire world is going through some economic difficulty as necessary re-structuring takes place.

All of which is complicated by the war in the Ukraine, and the costs it has imposed on the rest of the world.

Republicans, being simple minded beings, cannot comprehend economic conditions this complex and intertwined, so they simply blame Biden for all of it.


If you lefties cared about any of that, you would not be pushing Green Energy so hard. ANd you would be pushing nuclear energy too.

You are just talking shit., happy to tank teh world economies to play Green games.


Also if you cared, you would not give China a pass for their part. Which is primary responsibility.


Not the fucking "business community".
 

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An event in the same range of importance as the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor during World War II occurred this past week in Russia cutting back by forty-five percent the natural gas it sends to Europe via the Nord Stream One pipelines that go from Russia into Germany. This is an economic bombing of Europe by Russia, the importation of natural gas from Russia has been excluded from every round of European Union sanctions over Russia's invasion of Ukraine because including import restrictions for natural gas would cause such pain on ordinary Europeans and their economy it is impossible to fully qualify for starters though completely taking away this Russian gas would send Europe into a recession; this is so because Europe cannot replace Russian natural gas and it needs it to heat ordinary Europeans homes, to produce electricity and for many of Europe's industries. It is clear now Russian Vladimir Putin is using natural gas as a weapon to contain European countries and so to stop or restrain them from sending crucial heavy weapons and ammunition to the Ukrainians to enable them to drive the Russian army out of their country.

President Biden needs to see this event as a crossroads for the history of the world like Pearl Harbor; President Biden needs to see this moment as an obligation on America to step into this crisis and have America rescue Europe from this Russian natural gas siege. America needs to dramatically increase its shipments of natural gas to Europe beginning immediately and continuing throughout the next six months so not only is Europe prepared for the winter and to get through it if Putin shuts down the Russian natural gas pipelines to Europe but to permanently remove Putin's gun from the head of European Union leaders which restrains them from helping Ukraine at this existential super critical time for Ukraine where the eastern part and economic engine of their country is at stake. President Biden has shown outstanding leadership in helping Ukraine in this war without his actions Ukraine would not only be without any hope of saving their country in this war but they would have already lost the war; but it will all be for naught unless America gets Vladimir Putin's boot off the energy neck of Europe as it lays prostrate on the ground! President Biden is asleep at the wheel of the country if he thinks that if Putin pulls the trigger on Europe and shuts down the gas pipelines to Europe and sends them into recession it is not going to spill over into the United States, from the remarks of Jerome Powell the Federal Reserve Bank will at minimum raise interest rates by another one percent by December, a recession in Europe under these circumstances guarantees a hard landing and a recession in America in 2023. President Biden and his administration should be in a five alarm fire response mode to protect the country and the future well being of the Democrat Party in power in the country in response to Russia's declaration of energy war against Europe that just occurred which puts all these things in jeopardy.

President Biden showed signs of hope that he gets it with his letter this past week to executives of America's petroleum refineries that they need to take steps to stop having refinery costs drive fuel prices higher for American consumers and if they don't move to fix this problem he might use the Defense Production Act (DPA) to fix it! President Biden needs to stop dipping his foot in the water and jump in, he needs to stop with the talk and pull out the whip and start getting results for the American people. What President Biden needs to do is hire a heavy hitter in the energy industry and make him White House Czar for Developing and Managing America's oil, gas and petroleum products production and let it be known that this individual will have enormous leeway in writing Executive Orders to meet the nation's goals whether it be curtailing regulations or using the Defense Production act to further the nation's interests here; what the nation needs is someone like former Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson that has a proven track record of producing oil and natural gas.


One thing this Energy Czar should do is get this Freeport Texas LNG terminal fully back on line quickly from its recent fire, reports are that the timeline now is sometime in the latter part of the year this will take place; this should be completely unacceptable to the White House this LNG terminal when fully operational ships two billion cubic feet of gas per day to the world market and largely Europe - this is a lifeline to Europe that should be reinstated post haste! If this Czar was really good the Czar would do things like prepare for Vladimir Putin to pull his trigger and shut off gas to Europe by increasing America's inventory of natural gas by scouring the nation and identifying coal electricity generation plants that are either under utilized or not utilized where their utilization could replace natural gas power generation; and either by voluntary consent or the use of the Defense Production Act or working with Congress get the natural gas power generation plant to cut its gas consumption by reducing power generation to eighty or seventy percent of capacity.

The Democrat Congress should wrap up this January 6 Committee hearings as quickly as possible for the hearings are a disgrace and hold hearings Congressional duty calls for like on the energy crisis facing America and the world and how fix or at least improve the picture here. This writer is not saying anything like President Donald Trump's behavior in trying to overturn the 2020 election was anything but a significant harm to America's Democracy and its tradition of peaceful transition of power. But the hearings are shockingly partisan, a Congressional committee investigating an incident or a series of incidents in America should have a respect for the law recognizing it as a solemn thing that it preserves and guards our society when deciding whether a crime has been committed one must act like a reasonable person and consider contrary viewpoints, one should not take a partisan or biased viewpoint. It is dangerous for our Democracy when people that have a role in its enforcement take a partisan view in evaluating facts and deciding on whether to bring charges because then there exist the danger of America being a society where those in power use America's criminal statutes biasedly to punish their enemies and that is an America dramatically less good than the country America has known.

The list of the committee's failure here is long. President Donald Trump and his followers are well within their rights to believe the 2020 election was fraudulent and act on such beliefs; in this election there was unprecedented use of mail in balloting and courts on their own in many cases changed the rules on such ballots, further America's voter registration rolls are replete with inaccuracies (no national voter registration database for the most advanced country in the world are you kidding me) how do we know there wasn't people voting multiple times? For the record this writer believes the 2020 election was not fraudulent because parties have a legal right to challenge the fairness of elections in America's court system and if they fail or lose in that regard America's court system say on the election is the final word - that what it means to be a society of laws. Also, there is nothing wrong with a candidate after an election raising money to challenge the validity of the election and not using all that money in the challenge; I wouldn't be surprised if George Bush and Al Gore did such in the 2000 contested election. Also, under America's current practice it is not unreasonable to believe the Vice-President could reject the ballots from a state delegation in the electoral College even though the U.S. Constitution does not expressly give the Vice-President such power for the U.S. Constitution does not give Congress such power however it it the Congress's current practice to believe they have such power!

What this Committee's findings and hearings should be focused on is to fix the flaws in America's election system that could disenfranchise American citizens. The system should be that only the court system should be able to conclude that an election in a district or state is unfair and the only remedy is to redo the election, the country needs to stop with this ability for state legislatures being able to select electoral college delegations or to find that elections were unfair this isn't a political decision it is a finding of fact decision to be made by a Judge. The Committee should call for legislation that stops members of Congress or the Vice-President from rejecting a state delegation to the Electoral College ballots. Elections are about citizens selecting candidates it is not about politicians or political parties selecting candidates to fill elected offices in America!
Most fucking clowns keep their skits sort and sweet. Not you though. You try to do a fucking Gone With the Wind kinda thing with squirting flowers and pies in the face.

Let me sum this up for you. Feel free to read this to the tune of “Yakkiti Sax”.

Bidumb cripples our energy sector to the point we can’t support ourselves.

Demands our oils companies produce gas out of unicorn farts. And if they can’t the government will force them to.

Pearl Harbor hits Europe. After they laughed and told Trump to fuck off on his Russian energy warnings.

We don’t have any gas to send. We need it.

One thing about Pearl Harbor moments, you have to prepare for them ahead of time. Not fuck yourself for some stupid ass wind farm and solar panel future.
 

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