Rugby Star Slapped Down for Pro Christian/Anti Gay Comments

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SYDNEY—"The firing of one of Australia’s best-known sports stars for saying gay people are headed for hell has exposed social fault lines and sparked debate about what constitutes religious expression."
Australian Rugby Star’s Anti-Gay Post Exposes Fault Lines Over Religious Freedom
Freedom of speech now means the freedom NOT to criticize homosexuals or have your career ended and your bank account wiped out.
In the West are we seeing a new movement that ends expression of thoughts and views that upsets the gay community Of course we are.

Israel Folau listed many behaviors that would get one sent to hell, in his view. But the one that is ending his
sports career is criticism of homosexuality.
As the saying goes see who it is that you are not allowed to criticize to see who it is who is running a society.
 

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It’s perfectly appropriate for private society to condemn bigotry and hate.

Bigots are at liberty to exhibit their ignorance and hate, and they’re solely responsible for the consequences of doing so.
 

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It’s perfectly appropriate for private society to condemn bigotry and hate.

Bigots are at liberty to exhibit their ignorance and hate, and they’re solely responsible for the consequences of doing so.
Except he simply tweeted a bible verse related to 8 types of people needing to repent. Homosexuals were just 1 of the 8. If he had sad "Queers need to be murdered" I would agree with you. However, it is not appropriate to punish people for expressing their faith and you can't get more grounded in doing that than quoting from your particular religion's central text.
 

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SYDNEY—"The firing of one of Australia’s best-known sports stars for saying gay people are headed for hell has exposed social fault lines and sparked debate about what constitutes religious expression."
Australian Rugby Star’s Anti-Gay Post Exposes Fault Lines Over Religious Freedom
Freedom of speech now means the freedom NOT to criticize homosexuals or have your career ended and your bank account wiped out.
In the West are we seeing a new movement that ends expression of thoughts and views that upsets the gay community Of course we are.

Israel Folau listed many behaviors that would get one sent to hell, in his view. But the one that is ending his
sports career is criticism of homosexuality.
As the saying goes see who it is that you are not allowed to criticize to see who it is who is running a society.
Article is behind a paywall.

Got a credible source for this story?
 

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We have freedom of speech. We also have repercussions as a result of that speech. You will not be censored, but it does not necessarily stop the after effects.
 

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SYDNEY—"The firing of one of Australia’s best-known sports stars for saying gay people are headed for hell has exposed social fault lines and sparked debate about what constitutes religious expression."
Australian Rugby Star’s Anti-Gay Post Exposes Fault Lines Over Religious Freedom
Freedom of speech now means the freedom NOT to criticize homosexuals or have your career ended and your bank account wiped out.
In the West are we seeing a new movement that ends expression of thoughts and views that upsets the gay community Of course we are.

Israel Folau listed many behaviors that would get one sent to hell, in his view. But the one that is ending his
sports career is criticism of homosexuality.
As the saying goes see who it is that you are not allowed to criticize to see who it is who is running a society.
Article is behind a paywall.

Got a credible source for this story?
Don't know if this is something you'd consider credible, but no paywall: Folau fired: Rugby Australia axe Israel

Here's another, and it says there was a pattern of social media postings that violated the league's code of conduct, and that Folau was warned repeatedly before the firing: It's Official: Rugby Australia Fires Israel Folau for Anti-LGBTQ Posts
 

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SYDNEY—"The firing of one of Australia’s best-known sports stars for saying gay people are headed for hell has exposed social fault lines and sparked debate about what constitutes religious expression."
Australian Rugby Star’s Anti-Gay Post Exposes Fault Lines Over Religious Freedom
Freedom of speech now means the freedom NOT to criticize homosexuals or have your career ended and your bank account wiped out.
In the West are we seeing a new movement that ends expression of thoughts and views that upsets the gay community Of course we are.

Israel Folau listed many behaviors that would get one sent to hell, in his view. But the one that is ending his
sports career is criticism of homosexuality.
As the saying goes see who it is that you are not allowed to criticize to see who it is who is running a society.
Article is behind a paywall.

Got a credible source for this story?
Don't know if this is something you'd consider credible, but no paywall: Folau fired: Rugby Australia axe Israel

Here's another, and it says there was a pattern of social media postings that violated the league's code of conduct, and that Folau was warned repeatedly before the firing: It's Official: Rugby Australia Fires Israel Folau for Anti-LGBTQ Posts
Oh shit, Context is here. Party's over. :rofl:
 

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It’s perfectly appropriate for private society to condemn bigotry and hate.

Bigots are at liberty to exhibit their ignorance and hate, and they’re solely responsible for the consequences of doing so.
Except he simply tweeted a bible verse related to 8 types of people needing to repent. Homosexuals were just 1 of the 8. If he had sad "Queers need to be murdered" I would agree with you. However, it is not appropriate to punish people for expressing their faith and you can't get more grounded in doing that than quoting from your particular religion's central text.
Too bad he didn't quote the passage about dashing babies' heads against the rocks, or pimping out one's own daughters.
 

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It’s perfectly appropriate for private society to condemn bigotry and hate.

Bigots are at liberty to exhibit their ignorance and hate, and they’re solely responsible for the consequences of doing so.
Except he simply tweeted a bible verse related to 8 types of people needing to repent. Homosexuals were just 1 of the 8. If he had sad "Queers need to be murdered" I would agree with you. However, it is not appropriate to punish people for expressing their faith and you can't get more grounded in doing that than quoting from your particular religion's central text.
Too bad he didn't quote the passage about dashing babies' heads against the rocks, or pimping out one's own daughters.
Twitter is free. Go over there, sign up, and quote those passages you like until you turn blue in the face. Psalm 137, however, is about eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth.
 

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We have freedom of speech. We also have repercussions as a result of that speech. You will not be censored, but it does not necessarily stop the after effects.
Here in the U.S., I think the case would be pretty clear. It appears that Mr. Folau was fired for expressing his legitimate religious beliefs, outside of the context of his work. This makes it a clear cut case of religious discrimination on the part of his employer, which would be blatantly illegal here in the U.S., and in any event, ethically and morally unjustifiable, even if it is legal where it occurred.

I found this article…

Rugby Australia reportedly face financial ruin in Israel Folau case

…which states that the Rugby Australia organization could be put “on the precipice of insolvency” if it loses this case. If so, then I have not a bit of sympathy for them. They should have thought of the possible consequences,as well as the moral implications, before they made the choice to engage in such an outrageous violation of their employee's basic human rights to freedom of religion and expression. Perhaps their ruin will stand as an example to other organizations and employers contemplating similar offenses.
 
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Folau's comments may not be universally popular but he should have every right to express himself.
When did Australia turn into Communist China? The test of free speech is if one can say something that
is controversial.
Rugby Australia has failed that test, mate!
 
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Folau's comments may not be universally popular but he should have every right to express himself.
When did Australia turn into Communist China? The test of free speech is if one can say something that
is controversial.
Rugby Australia has failed that test, mate!
 

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It’s perfectly appropriate for private society to condemn bigotry and hate.

Bigots are at liberty to exhibit their ignorance and hate, and they’re solely responsible for the consequences of doing so.
Except he simply tweeted a bible verse related to 8 types of people needing to repent. Homosexuals were just 1 of the 8. If he had sad "Queers need to be murdered" I would agree with you. However, it is not appropriate to punish people for expressing their faith and you can't get more grounded in doing that than quoting from your particular religion's central text.
Too bad he didn't quote the passage about dashing babies' heads against the rocks, or pimping out one's own daughters.
Twitter is free. Go over there, sign up, and quote those passages you like until you turn blue in the face. Psalm 137, however, is about eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth.
Trust me, there's no way I'm latching on to a peoplesucker like Tweeter.

The only tweeter I'll ever be involved with is a high freeq speaker.
 

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Folau's comments may not be universally popular but he should have every right to express himself.
When did Australia turn into Communist China? The test of free speech is if one can say something that
is controversial.
Rugby Australia has failed that test, mate!
You seem uncertain of the difference between "Australia" and "Rugby Australia". The latter is not the nation.

This is like equating "Major League Baseball" and "The United States".

Rugby Australia has its rules. Just as for example this site does. The US has no laws against accusations of bestiality. But just try doing that here.
 

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SYDNEY—"The firing of one of Australia’s best-known sports stars for saying gay people are headed for hell has exposed social fault lines and sparked debate about what constitutes religious expression."
Australian Rugby Star’s Anti-Gay Post Exposes Fault Lines Over Religious Freedom
Freedom of speech now means the freedom NOT to criticize homosexuals or have your career ended and your bank account wiped out.
In the West are we seeing a new movement that ends expression of thoughts and views that upsets the gay community Of course we are.

Israel Folau listed many behaviors that would get one sent to hell, in his view. But the one that is ending his
sports career is criticism of homosexuality.
As the saying goes see who it is that you are not allowed to criticize to see who it is who is running a society.
As conservatives are fond of saying....free speech doesn't mean NO CONSEQUENCES. He exercised his deranged ignorant hate speech and he suffered the consequences.


good.
 

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Here in the U.S., I think the case would be pretty clear. It appears that Mr. Folau was fired for expressing his legitimate religious beliefs, outside of the context of his work. This makes it a clear cut case of religious discrimination on the part of his employer, which would be blatantly illegal here in the U.S., and in any event, ethically and morally unjustifiable, even if it is legal where it occurred.
Actually it wouldn't. Look up the phrase "morals clause".

We did this with the Duck hunters, quite a while back.
 

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It’s perfectly appropriate for private society to condemn bigotry and hate.

Bigots are at liberty to exhibit their ignorance and hate, and they’re solely responsible for the consequences of doing so.
Except he simply tweeted a bible verse related to 8 types of people needing to repent. Homosexuals were just 1 of the 8. If he had sad "Queers need to be murdered" I would agree with you. However, it is not appropriate to punish people for expressing their faith and you can't get more grounded in doing that than quoting from your particular religion's central text.
Too bad he didn't quote the passage about dashing babies' heads against the rocks, or pimping out one's own daughters.
Wrong book dude try pappy Mohammed's
Diary.


Jo
 

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It’s perfectly appropriate for private society to condemn bigotry and hate.

Bigots are at liberty to exhibit their ignorance and hate, and they’re solely responsible for the consequences of doing so.
Except he simply tweeted a bible verse related to 8 types of people needing to repent. Homosexuals were just 1 of the 8. If he had sad "Queers need to be murdered" I would agree with you. However, it is not appropriate to punish people for expressing their faith and you can't get more grounded in doing that than quoting from your particular religion's central text.
Exactly right.
I know you'd be happy with someone suddenly shouting "Allahu Akbar" on your plane when you're 30,000 feet up...many bigots wouldn't.
 

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