- Nov 14, 2011
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How fortunate for me you're just a troll?View attachment 424967There's never 0% of any crime. As far as people getting away with voter fraud, you could say 99 out of 100 get away with it and the fraud rate would still be 0.0000867In response to Faun's: "Voter fraud is not a big problem in the U.S.. Is there voter fraud? Yes, but it's rare." Ah! There is a new player now at the table: enhanced tech that uses back door discovery routes to discover fraud. Our capabilities to discover voter fraud today is nothing like it was a mere 10 years ago, even compared to a few years ago. As you know, long gone are the days of accepting a company's word on a product, including voting machines.Voter fraud is not a big problem in the U.S.. Is there voter fraud? Yes, but it's rare. You mentioned the Heritage Foundation... Thee Heritage Foundation's database of voter fraud contains about 1300 known cases of election fraud going back to 1982. That's out of some 1.5 billion votes cast since 1982. An occurrence of 0.000000867. Infinitesimal.The US, as a competitive nation, needs to step it up three notches to catch up with other countries to have a clean election process.
The US ranks 18th in transparency and good governance. Is a ranking of 18th good enough for the US, all things considered, do you think? I don't, but admit to being an imperfect perfectionist. That is a horrendous ranking and our state reps need to to act on this or be voted out next time around.
The Heritage Foundation (an independent review by an AllSides editor in Sept. 2020 found Heritage.org maintained a clear Lean Right bias) has a quick way to review cases of voter fraud per state.
Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.www.heritage.org
The US has the means to do better, so why the hold up? Who is benefiting from the current status quo and motivated to keep things as they are and not improve our conditions? There is of course more than one valid answer.
Now, had I grown up in Mozambique I would likely agree with your statement that- voter fraud is "not a big problem" because my expectations would be much lower. Every day I think about how lucky I am to have been born and that includes the where and when.
If X number of fraudulent acts have been caught and proven over the years while during that course of time the means of detection were (as they were) below par, it follows that there have been many more that have gone undetected over the years. There are many crimes committed that go unsolved, unfortunately, but not for long!
One reason for undetected voting "mishaps" could be fueled by the desire to produce fast results over accurate ones. In addition, we humans are pretty blind when it comes to how to improve things. Mostly, we like to complicate the heck out of things so any idea deemed "too simple" is often thrown out and progress takes much longer than necessary.
Just this year, election security advocacy group National Election Defense Coalition had a group of experts investigate what they were being told by the voting machine companies because frankly, they didn't believe them. Their findings? Bogusness, major bogusness on the part of the top seller of voting machines, Elections Systems & Software, and its website claim about "zero connectivity to internet"...which was false but must have been removed following the release of the advocacy group's findings. The following linked article has now added a video:
There should be zero voter fraud in a country that is where we are with advancements in science, medicine, tech with non-hackable computers (soon to be out grand scale) and the like. That's right. Zero instances as far as machine error, human manipulated machine error, or human error. We need a better way forward. If you think I'm wearing a pair of rosy sunglasses perhaps you're right. I'm also, however, aware of a global rate of knowledge doubling every six months and it only makes sense to apply this new knowledge. If these voting machines, prone to column errors and others, aren't taken out of the equation, there is something very wrong.
Consumers and voters are basically the same thing when it comes to providing accurate election results. Most consumers/voters, regardless of politics, will not accept subpar standards.