Royal Marines Commandos force US Marine Corps troops to surrender in training exercise

[Eric Arthur Blair]

La Liga and the Spanish national team are two different things. FACT,

Understood. But isn't the Spanish national team filled entirely with La Liga members?
I'm unable to understand why you would try to make a point of this.

And your cutnpaste doesnt mention Spain playing England in this years Euros. You are scrabbling about trying to make a point without knowing any facts.

See post # 35.
Have a nice uninformed day.

 

[Mushroom]

Force Recon, you bet they would have made a difference. Rangers and Delta as well. All are some tough Special Forces and Special Operations go to guys.

But as it was at the Stumps and as a Marine unit, it would only make sense to add in Force Recon.

And ignoring the majority of movie and other BS, that is really all that most Special Operations forces do. Act as recon, and liaison and train local forces. In a case like this, operating forward of the main element to provide intelligence so they would know where the "enemy" was, and what they were up to.

And I also mostly laugh, because most exercises actually already have at the start the "plan" for who will win and lose. It's not like a boxing match, more like Professional Wrestling. And both sides take turns on the offense and defense. And both sides are expected to "win" some engagements, and "lose" others. And the loses are mostly "administrative", with both sides reporting when they "shot", and then people comparing which shot first and determining who hit first.

I have taken part in these kinds of exercises many times. Every summer at Camp Lejeune we took part in a large one, where we were the "bad guys" for the Reservists to attack during their two week summer activation. And we always expected to lose, as they had by far the best assets and we were only operating as light infantry. Most exercises at Stumps are the same way. With the "local forces" being the enemy set up to be defeated, often recreating past battles where the attacker already knows the winning "or losing" strategy used.

Case in point, in a major Air Defense exercise in 2008 in Yuma, my entire Battalion was killed by a HIND. We even heard about the pilot crowing about it on the radio as he was able to slip in and destroy every single Battery (24 launchers in total). However, an hour later he was told he had killed none, he had already been "destroyed" by a STINGER unit he passed over 5 miles before he got there. Most kills in such an exercise are just like that, looking at log sheets of when somebody reported making the first shot, and removing any targets "destroyed" by that vehicle or unit afterwards.



As I said, I read many articles and almost all just repeated the one before. No details, just making the same claims over and over again. Hence, I pretty much rejected it. It was not "news", it was not even interesting reading from a military point of view. And as most in here have shown, blown all out of proportion for political purposes. Hell, I bet 90% reacting as such did not even know it was the 3rd AAV, what equipment they use, or their organization. Or that they lost a quarter of their strength earlier this year.

 

[whitehall]

Come on Brits. The U.S. Military kicked your sorry asses out of the United States in two real conflicts and then we saved the inbred degenerate royalty in the 2nd world war after their entire Brit army surrendered to the Japanese in Singapore without firing a shot. The U.S. Marines have been under fire from the liberal establishment for several decades. Hillary Clinton even had unkind things to say about the Corps. My guess is that the chicken shit democrats fixed the operation to embarrass the Marines.

 

[Mushroom]

The U.S. Military kicked your sorry asses out of the United States in two real conflicts

Uhhh, not really at all.

The Colonies mostly won the Revolution because of the aid of other countries.

And the US lost the War of 1812. That was a real stupid war, and showed the arrogance they had at the time. England trounced them thoroughly almost from the start, and they were literally fighting with "one hand tied behind their back", as most of their effort was going to fight Napoleon. The only significant US victory in that entire war was only after the US sued for peace.

 

[SavannahMann]

OK gang. Let’s talk about training exercises. A good training exercise kicks your ass. See the Army’s NTC for reference.

Now. What this means is that the Marines and their leaders got shown different tactics than they expected. That’s good. Because good training should be bloodless battles. And the place to learn and make the mistakes is in training when the casualties are notional.

Second. There are good troops in every major army. And the Brits are pretty good. Perhaps a little regimented. But good. Hell. Some of the best troops in the world are the Foreign Legion.

Third. You can learn from all of those good troops.

 

[whitehall]

Uhhh, not really at all.

The Colonies mostly won the Revolution because of the aid of other countries.

And the US lost the War of 1812. That was a real stupid war, and showed the arrogance they had at the time. England trounced them thoroughly almost from the start, and they were literally fighting with "one hand tied behind their back", as most of their effort was going to fight Napoleon. The only significant US victory in that entire war was only after the US sued for peace.

You mean the French? They did OK but the Brits also had German mercenaries. Washington crossed the Delaware and captured the whole drunken mess in New Jersey on Christmas. Old Hickory kicked the Brits down the Mississippi in the war of 1912. What's left to discuss?

 

[eagle1462010]

Royal Marines Commandos force US Marine Corps troops to surrender in training exercise

The Royal Navy Commandos alongside troops from allied countries held a five-day battlefield simulation in which they were victorious over their American counterparts.

news.sky.com

No wonder you get your arses kicked time after time. On your own turf as well.

My parents helped save your asses so STFU .

On the lighter side we got drunk with British sailors in the Gulf. They were crazy as shit. Was a good time

Oh TOMMY.........are you our ally still.......hmmm.......oops ....forgot you are one of the WOKE........Who came up with that lame ass slogan. lol

 

[Mushroom]

You mean the French? They did OK but the Brits also had German mercenaries. Washington crossed the Delaware and captured the whole drunken mess in New Jersey on Christmas. Old Hickory kicked the Brits down the Mississippi in the war of 1912. What's left to discuss?

The French were mostly helpful in blockading the US Coast, preventing UK supplies and forces from continuing the war. Also the Spanish, who did the exact same think and yanked Florida and much of the Gulf Coast from England.

Oh, and the war of 1912? I am sure you mean 1812. And oh yes, the Battle of New Orleans. Fought on 8 January 1815.

Of course, all rather pointless because the US had already sued for peace, and the Treaty of Ghent was signed on 24 December 1814. So literally you are bragging about the only major battle the US won in the entire war. That was fought 2 weeks after the war ended.

The simple fact is, the US was losing that entire war. And with the abdication of Napoleon in April 1814 the UK was gearing up to throw a massive force against the US. And the Americans knew this. The UK had already gotten what they wanted out of the war, the ending of US-French trade. But they got it by defeating France itself. So they were happy to end the war, it was never anything more than a thorn in their side anyways.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The French were mostly helpful in blockading the US Coast, preventing UK supplies and forces from continuing the war. Also the Spanish, who did the exact same think and yanked Florida and much of the Gulf Coast from England.

Oh, and the war of 1912? I am sure you mean 1812. And oh yes, the Battle of New Orleans. Fought on 8 January 1815.

Of course, all rather pointless because the US had already sued for peace, and the Treaty of Ghent was signed on 24 December 1814. So literally you are bragging about the only major battle the US won in the entire war. That was fought 2 weeks after the war ended.

The simple fact is, the US was losing that entire war. And with the abdication of Napoleon in April 1814 the UK was gearing up to throw a massive force against the US. And the Americans knew this. The UK had already gotten what they wanted out of the war, the ending of US-French trade. But they got it by defeating France itself. So they were happy to end the war, it was never anything more than a thorn in their side anyways.

Its interesting that some Americans seek to continue hostilities centuries later. Its not as if we were allies at some point since then.

 

[eagle1462010]

Its interesting that some Americans seek to continue hostilities centuries later. Its not as if we were allies at some point since then.

It is you that came here to insult us. Not the other way around. If the shoe fits wear it lefty.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It is you that came here to insult us. Not the other way around. If the shoe fits wear it lefty.

I am sitting in my front room mate. The OP was hardly a cause for abuse, unless you have deep insecurity problems.

 

[eagle1462010]

I am sitting in my front room mate. The OP was hardly a cause for abuse, unless you have deep insecurity problems.

And yet you came in to take shots at us. I have no problems with the Royal Marines. I imagine they think you suck just as bad as I do. You have always been a leftist wanker.

 

[Leviticus]

This isnt really a surprise the RM are baddasses. They are just as well trained any any of the US Armed forces, and my experience with US Marines leads me to think they underestimated them. I've known plenty of Marines , and to a man they viewed themselves and the USMC as superior to all other soldiers and armed forces, including other branches of the US military. They had very little respect for any soldier who wasnt a US Marine and considered all other soldiers inherently inferior. I've literally seen Marines refuse to salute officers because they werent Marines (Saluting officers is required regardless of branch, even if they are Reserve or National Guard officers)

 

[Mac-7]

That is a failure of leadership. It has nothing to do with being "woke".

How do you know?

Were you there?

The kneejerk lib denial of the obvious is strong here

 

[eagle1462010]

Might have been a side bet to see who pays for the beer after the drill. Ok flip a coin and the loser has to lose in the contest quick. Then the winner has to buy the beer.

 

[SavannahMann]

How do you know?

Were you there?

The kneejerk lib denial of the obvious is strong here

Ok. Let me make sure I understand. In ten months Biden has managed to neuter the entire Marine Corps. After Trump had four years of intensive training and massive America First policies?

Now. There are two ways that your assertion could be true. First. All the Marine Officers were kicked out and replaced by Civilians who were direct commissioned into senior positions. I haven’t heard of that happening.

2) Trump’s awesome make it great policy didn’t actually accomplishing anything to make the Military great in four years.

So which is it?

 

[Mac-7]

Ok. Let me make sure I understand. In ten months Biden has managed to neuter the entire Marine Corps. After Trump had four years of intensive training and massive America First policies?

Now. There are two ways that your assertion could be true. First. All the Marine Officers were kicked out and replaced by Civilians who were direct commissioned into senior positions. I haven’t heard of that happening.

2) Trump’s awesome make it great policy didn’t actually accomplishing anything to make the Military great in four years.

So which is it?

Whats going on is 9 years of obama/biden offset by just 4 years of trump

But I would not take too much from this report

After all what are the Royal Marines, dog meat?

I would expect them to be pretty good and our men should use this exercise as a learning experience

Which I’m sure they will in spite of the mandated soy boys and dickless wonders pretending to be women

 

[SavannahMann]

Whats going on is 9 years of obama/biden offset by just 4 years of trump

But I would not take too much from this report

After all what are the Royal Marines, dog meat?

I would expect them to be pretty good and our men should use this exercise as a learning experience

Which I’m sure they will in spite of the mandated soy boys and dickless wonders pretending to be women

I wish you would make up your mind. You denounce someone for saying the Royal Marines are good screaming no it was Wokeness and good luck proving it wasn’t.

Now it is that the Royal Marines are actually pretty good.

Let’s calm the **** down. I mentioned above about NTC.

The National Training Center. The Army sends units out there and they get mauled. Pretty much everyone gets their asses handed to them. There have been units that did well in Combat that got mauled at NTC. Same units. Same troops. Same commanders. NTC is tougher than actual combat.

So saying a unit got their asses whipped in training is for an old Soldier like me. A damned good thing. I want the training to be as tough as possible. Because that way the odds I and my troops will survive combat is much higher.

I am happy to see the Marines are getting hard training. That means they will be getting better. Improving. And that means that it is likely the Marines will survive when battle comes for real. Hard training reduces casualties later.

 

[Mac-7]

I wish you would make up your mind. You denounce someone for saying the Royal Marines are good screaming no it was Wokeness and good luck proving it wasn’t.

I called out Moonglow for jumping to conclusions that he knows nothing about.

But I didnt scream

When teams fail its often due to a combination of things

And wokeness is not going to improve their team spirit

 

[Gracie]