Room for Optimism

[Unkotare]

Pretty much all you ever hear about urban public schools is how they are both the source and result of all that is wrong in the world. Well, it's not as hopeless as many seem to want to dramatize.

There are kids living under conditions that most here couldn't imagine, who are still endeavoring to get to and from school each day (sometimes a real physical danger in itself) and to learn the best they can regardless.

There are kids who just arrived in America a few weeks ago who are trying their damnedest to learn English and adapt to a new country and culture. No, they are "refusing to learn English" or any of that bullshit posted here so often. Their parents or other family attend open houses and parent-teacher nights whenever they can, and there is no talk of "preserving their culture" or other shit the left promotes and some are all too eager to fear without reason. In fact, the main concern of family members - with great regularity - is that the kids learn English as quickly and well as possible.

There are students who have been in the US for less than 2 years who already know more about US history than many, many posters here (if the crap they post is any indication). These same students are working through challenges in English literature, Science, and other subjects I'd like to see some of the big mouths here try. Now imagine that challenge in and through a second language. How many here could even attempt it? Very few, I'd wager.

The point is, there are a lot of kids in urban school districts working diligently and earnestly to learn and improve themselves despite additional challenges most of their peers in suburban districts do not face. Their efforts deserve respect and admiration even if many don't always beat the odds.

 

[Fenton Lum]

American society has created many sacrifice zones as a direct result of its approach to "capitalism". We've been indoctrinated to think of these solely as urban ghettos full of dangerous, criminal, lazy, drug addled dark folk. Appalachia is another such sacrifice zone. Look for these sacrifice zones to spread in our post industrialized globalist society, the ranks of those left out will grow. Angry whites are understandably on edge, but should have been paying closer attention to what was able to be done to the unsubstantial people. We’re all sharecroppers now. And the system can turn a profit on you in a for profit prison.

 

[Unkotare]

American society has created many sacrifice zones as a direct result of its approach to "capitalism". We've been indoctrinated to think of these solely as urban ghettos full of dangerous, criminal, lazy, drug addled dark folk. Appalachia is another such sacrifice zone. Look for these sacrifice zones to spread in our post industrialized globalist society, the ranks of those left out will grow. Angry whites are understandably on edge, but should have been paying closer attention to what was able to be done to the unsubstantial people. We’re all sharecroppers now. And the system can turn a profit on you in a for profit prison.

You missed the point, comrade.

 

[Fenton Lum]

American society has created many sacrifice zones as a direct result of its approach to "capitalism". We've been indoctrinated to think of these solely as urban ghettos full of dangerous, criminal, lazy, drug addled dark folk. Appalachia is another such sacrifice zone. Look for these sacrifice zones to spread in our post industrialized globalist society, the ranks of those left out will grow. Angry whites are understandably on edge, but should have been paying closer attention to what was able to be done to the unsubstantial people. We’re all sharecroppers now. And the system can turn a profit on you in a for profit prison.

You missed the point, comrade.

You too.

 

[Correll]

Pretty much all you ever hear about urban public schools is how they are both the source and result of all that is wrong in the world. Well, it's not as hopeless as many seem to want to dramatize.

There are kids living under conditions that most here couldn't imagine, who are still endeavoring to get to and from school each day (sometimes a real physical danger in itself) and to learn the best they can regardless.

There are kids who just arrived in America a few weeks ago who are trying their damnedest to learn English and adapt to a new country and culture. No, they are "refusing to learn English" or any of that bullshit posted here so often. Their parents or other family attend open houses and parent-teacher nights whenever they can, and there is no talk of "preserving their culture" or other shit the left promotes and some are all too eager to fear without reason. In fact, the main concern of family members - with great regularity - is that the kids learn English as quickly and well as possible.

There are students who have been in the US for less than 2 years who already know more about US history than many, many posters here (if the crap they post is any indication). These same students are working through challenges in English literature, Science, and other subjects I'd like to see some of the big mouths here try. Now imagine that challenge in and through a second language. How many here could even attempt it? Very few, I'd wager.

The point is, there are a lot of kids in urban school districts working diligently and earnestly to learn and improve themselves despite additional challenges most of their peers in suburban districts do not face. Their efforts deserve respect and admiration even if many don't always beat the odds.

This is true as far as it goes.

My "hope" for the future of education is based on technological advances that take education out of the public schools and into the homes/online.


Away from the actual physical danger you correctly site.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Pretty much all you ever hear about urban public schools is how they are both the source and result of all that is wrong in the world. Well, it's not as hopeless as many seem to want to dramatize.

There are kids living under conditions that most here couldn't imagine, who are still endeavoring to get to and from school each day (sometimes a real physical danger in itself) and to learn the best they can regardless.

There are kids who just arrived in America a few weeks ago who are trying their damnedest to learn English and adapt to a new country and culture. No, they are "refusing to learn English" or any of that bullshit posted here so often. Their parents or other family attend open houses and parent-teacher nights whenever they can, and there is no talk of "preserving their culture" or other shit the left promotes and some are all too eager to fear without reason. In fact, the main concern of family members - with great regularity - is that the kids learn English as quickly and well as possible.

There are students who have been in the US for less than 2 years who already know more about US history than many, many posters here (if the crap they post is any indication). These same students are working through challenges in English literature, Science, and other subjects I'd like to see some of the big mouths here try. Now imagine that challenge in and through a second language. How many here could even attempt it? Very few, I'd wager.

The point is, there are a lot of kids in urban school districts working diligently and earnestly to learn and improve themselves despite additional challenges most of their peers in suburban districts do not face. Their efforts deserve respect and admiration even if many don't always beat the odds.

This is true as far as it goes.

My "hope" for the future of education is based on technological advances that take education out of the public schools and into the homes/online.


Away from the actual physical danger you correctly site.

Sounds like further exclusion and isolation.

 

[Correll]

Pretty much all you ever hear about urban public schools is how they are both the source and result of all that is wrong in the world. Well, it's not as hopeless as many seem to want to dramatize.

There are kids living under conditions that most here couldn't imagine, who are still endeavoring to get to and from school each day (sometimes a real physical danger in itself) and to learn the best they can regardless.

There are kids who just arrived in America a few weeks ago who are trying their damnedest to learn English and adapt to a new country and culture. No, they are "refusing to learn English" or any of that bullshit posted here so often. Their parents or other family attend open houses and parent-teacher nights whenever they can, and there is no talk of "preserving their culture" or other shit the left promotes and some are all too eager to fear without reason. In fact, the main concern of family members - with great regularity - is that the kids learn English as quickly and well as possible.

There are students who have been in the US for less than 2 years who already know more about US history than many, many posters here (if the crap they post is any indication). These same students are working through challenges in English literature, Science, and other subjects I'd like to see some of the big mouths here try. Now imagine that challenge in and through a second language. How many here could even attempt it? Very few, I'd wager.

The point is, there are a lot of kids in urban school districts working diligently and earnestly to learn and improve themselves despite additional challenges most of their peers in suburban districts do not face. Their efforts deserve respect and admiration even if many don't always beat the odds.

This is true as far as it goes.

My "hope" for the future of education is based on technological advances that take education out of the public schools and into the homes/online.


Away from the actual physical danger you correctly site.

Sounds like further exclusion and isolation.

Well, yes.


Excluding and isolating themselves from a declining and dysfunctional culture/society for the safety and well being of their
children.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Pretty much all you ever hear about urban public schools is how they are both the source and result of all that is wrong in the world. Well, it's not as hopeless as many seem to want to dramatize.

There are kids living under conditions that most here couldn't imagine, who are still endeavoring to get to and from school each day (sometimes a real physical danger in itself) and to learn the best they can regardless.

There are kids who just arrived in America a few weeks ago who are trying their damnedest to learn English and adapt to a new country and culture. No, they are "refusing to learn English" or any of that bullshit posted here so often. Their parents or other family attend open houses and parent-teacher nights whenever they can, and there is no talk of "preserving their culture" or other shit the left promotes and some are all too eager to fear without reason. In fact, the main concern of family members - with great regularity - is that the kids learn English as quickly and well as possible.

There are students who have been in the US for less than 2 years who already know more about US history than many, many posters here (if the crap they post is any indication). These same students are working through challenges in English literature, Science, and other subjects I'd like to see some of the big mouths here try. Now imagine that challenge in and through a second language. How many here could even attempt it? Very few, I'd wager.

The point is, there are a lot of kids in urban school districts working diligently and earnestly to learn and improve themselves despite additional challenges most of their peers in suburban districts do not face. Their efforts deserve respect and admiration even if many don't always beat the odds.

This is true as far as it goes.

My "hope" for the future of education is based on technological advances that take education out of the public schools and into the homes/online.


Away from the actual physical danger you correctly site.

Sounds like further exclusion and isolation.

Well, yes.


Excluding and isolating themselves from a declining and dysfunctional culture/society for the safety and well being of their
children.

Just an extention of a dysfuntional society then, like I said.

 

[ding]

American society has created many sacrifice zones as a direct result of its approach to "capitalism". We've been indoctrinated to think of these solely as urban ghettos full of dangerous, criminal, lazy, drug addled dark folk. Appalachia is another such sacrifice zone. Look for these sacrifice zones to spread in our post industrialized globalist society, the ranks of those left out will grow. Angry whites are understandably on edge, but should have been paying closer attention to what was able to be done to the unsubstantial people. We’re all sharecroppers now. And the system can turn a profit on you in a for profit prison.

You missed the point, comrade.

What a shocker that you are in another conflict, Unkotare.

Pretty much all you ever hear about urban public schools is how they are both the source and result of all that is wrong in the world. Well, it's not as hopeless as many seem to want to dramatize.

There are kids living under conditions that most here couldn't imagine, who are still endeavoring to get to and from school each day (sometimes a real physical danger in itself) and to learn the best they can regardless.

There are kids who just arrived in America a few weeks ago who are trying their damnedest to learn English and adapt to a new country and culture. No, they are "refusing to learn English" or any of that bullshit posted here so often. Their parents or other family attend open houses and parent-teacher nights whenever they can, and there is no talk of "preserving their culture" or other shit the left promotes and some are all too eager to fear without reason. In fact, the main concern of family members - with great regularity - is that the kids learn English as quickly and well as possible.

There are students who have been in the US for less than 2 years who already know more about US history than many, many posters here (if the crap they post is any indication). These same students are working through challenges in English literature, Science, and other subjects I'd like to see some of the big mouths here try. Now imagine that challenge in and through a second language. How many here could even attempt it? Very few, I'd wager.

The point is, there are a lot of kids in urban school districts working diligently and earnestly to learn and improve themselves despite additional challenges most of their peers in suburban districts do not face. Their efforts deserve respect and admiration even if many don't always beat the odds.

This is true as far as it goes.

My "hope" for the future of education is based on technological advances that take education out of the public schools and into the homes/online.


Away from the actual physical danger you correctly site.

Actually you are not that far off. Public education for the most part is a failure. Thank you John Dewey.

 

[ding]

American society has created many sacrifice zones as a direct result of its approach to "capitalism". We've been indoctrinated to think of these solely as urban ghettos full of dangerous, criminal, lazy, drug addled dark folk. Appalachia is another such sacrifice zone. Look for these sacrifice zones to spread in our post industrialized globalist society, the ranks of those left out will grow. Angry whites are understandably on edge, but should have been paying closer attention to what was able to be done to the unsubstantial people. We’re all sharecroppers now. And the system can turn a profit on you in a for profit prison.

I don't believe the problem is free enterprise or at least what is left of it as much as the problem is a lowering of our standards. There needs to be a serious culling of our teachers.

 

[ding]

Pretty much all you ever hear about urban public schools is how they are both the source and result of all that is wrong in the world. Well, it's not as hopeless as many seem to want to dramatize.

There are kids living under conditions that most here couldn't imagine, who are still endeavoring to get to and from school each day (sometimes a real physical danger in itself) and to learn the best they can regardless.

There are kids who just arrived in America a few weeks ago who are trying their damnedest to learn English and adapt to a new country and culture. No, they are "refusing to learn English" or any of that bullshit posted here so often. Their parents or other family attend open houses and parent-teacher nights whenever they can, and there is no talk of "preserving their culture" or other shit the left promotes and some are all too eager to fear without reason. In fact, the main concern of family members - with great regularity - is that the kids learn English as quickly and well as possible.

There are students who have been in the US for less than 2 years who already know more about US history than many, many posters here (if the crap they post is any indication). These same students are working through challenges in English literature, Science, and other subjects I'd like to see some of the big mouths here try. Now imagine that challenge in and through a second language. How many here could even attempt it? Very few, I'd wager.

The point is, there are a lot of kids in urban school districts working diligently and earnestly to learn and improve themselves despite additional challenges most of their peers in suburban districts do not face. Their efforts deserve respect and admiration even if many don't always beat the odds.

You're fired. When you have improved, then come back and see us. Until then, go collect unemployment. We're going to try the Darwinian approach for awhile.

 

[Unkotare]

Pretty much all you ever hear about urban public schools is how they are both the source and result of all that is wrong in the world. Well, it's not as hopeless as many seem to want to dramatize.

There are kids living under conditions that most here couldn't imagine, who are still endeavoring to get to and from school each day (sometimes a real physical danger in itself) and to learn the best they can regardless.

There are kids who just arrived in America a few weeks ago who are trying their damnedest to learn English and adapt to a new country and culture. No, they are "refusing to learn English" or any of that bullshit posted here so often. Their parents or other family attend open houses and parent-teacher nights whenever they can, and there is no talk of "preserving their culture" or other shit the left promotes and some are all too eager to fear without reason. In fact, the main concern of family members - with great regularity - is that the kids learn English as quickly and well as possible.

There are students who have been in the US for less than 2 years who already know more about US history than many, many posters here (if the crap they post is any indication). These same students are working through challenges in English literature, Science, and other subjects I'd like to see some of the big mouths here try. Now imagine that challenge in and through a second language. How many here could even attempt it? Very few, I'd wager.

The point is, there are a lot of kids in urban school districts working diligently and earnestly to learn and improve themselves despite additional challenges most of their peers in suburban districts do not face. Their efforts deserve respect and admiration even if many don't always beat the odds.

You're fired. When you have improved, then come back and see us. Until then, go collect unemployment. We're going to try the Darwinian approach for awhile.

Once again, you jump in on a subject you know nothing about.

 

[ding]

Once again, you jump in on a subject you know nothing about.

I know enough about it to know that if you are in education that you are part of the problem and not the solution, amigo.

 

[Unkotare]

Pretty much all you ever hear about urban public schools is how they are both the source and result of all that is wrong in the world. Well, it's not as hopeless as many seem to want to dramatize.

There are kids living under conditions that most here couldn't imagine, who are still endeavoring to get to and from school each day (sometimes a real physical danger in itself) and to learn the best they can regardless.

There are kids who just arrived in America a few weeks ago who are trying their damnedest to learn English and adapt to a new country and culture. No, they are "refusing to learn English" or any of that bullshit posted here so often. Their parents or other family attend open houses and parent-teacher nights whenever they can, and there is no talk of "preserving their culture" or other shit the left promotes and some are all too eager to fear without reason. In fact, the main concern of family members - with great regularity - is that the kids learn English as quickly and well as possible.

There are students who have been in the US for less than 2 years who already know more about US history than many, many posters here (if the crap they post is any indication). These same students are working through challenges in English literature, Science, and other subjects I'd like to see some of the big mouths here try. Now imagine that challenge in and through a second language. How many here could even attempt it? Very few, I'd wager.

The point is, there are a lot of kids in urban school districts working diligently and earnestly to learn and improve themselves despite additional challenges most of their peers in suburban districts do not face. Their efforts deserve respect and admiration even if many don't always beat the odds.

You're fired. When you have improved, then come back and see us. Until then, go collect unemployment. We're going to try the Darwinian approach for awhile.

Once again, you jump in on a subject you know nothing about.

I know enough about it to know ......

What do you really know? What is your training and/or experience relative to the topic? I learn something new about it every day, and I've been at it for a while. How about you?

 

[ding]

What do you really know? What is your training and/or experience relative to the topic? I learn something new about it every day, and I've been at it for a while. How about you?

I don't need any training on this subject, Einstein. The solution is self evident. It can be solved through inspection. Raise the standards and they will meet it. Problem solved. Make examples of people who fail to meet the standards and the rest will get the message. Hold people accountable and everyone will raise their game.

 

[Unkotare]

Pretty much all you ever hear about urban public schools is how they are both the source and result of all that is wrong in the world. Well, it's not as hopeless as many seem to want to dramatize.

There are kids living under conditions that most here couldn't imagine, who are still endeavoring to get to and from school each day (sometimes a real physical danger in itself) and to learn the best they can regardless.

There are kids who just arrived in America a few weeks ago who are trying their damnedest to learn English and adapt to a new country and culture. No, they are "refusing to learn English" or any of that bullshit posted here so often. Their parents or other family attend open houses and parent-teacher nights whenever they can, and there is no talk of "preserving their culture" or other shit the left promotes and some are all too eager to fear without reason. In fact, the main concern of family members - with great regularity - is that the kids learn English as quickly and well as possible.

There are students who have been in the US for less than 2 years who already know more about US history than many, many posters here (if the crap they post is any indication). These same students are working through challenges in English literature, Science, and other subjects I'd like to see some of the big mouths here try. Now imagine that challenge in and through a second language. How many here could even attempt it? Very few, I'd wager.

The point is, there are a lot of kids in urban school districts working diligently and earnestly to learn and improve themselves despite additional challenges most of their peers in suburban districts do not face. Their efforts deserve respect and admiration even if many don't always beat the odds.

You're fired. When you have improved, then come back and see us. Until then, go collect unemployment. We're going to try the Darwinian approach for awhile.

Once again, you jump in on a subject you know nothing about.

I know enough about it to know ......

What do you really know? What is your training and/or experience relative to the topic? I learn something new about it every day, and I've been at it for a while. How about you?

I don't need any training on this subject, .....

It sure seems like you do. Is this your way of saying you have none?

 

[ding]

It sure seems like you do. Is this your way of saying you have none?

No, I don't. Because the solution is self evident. It can be solved through inspection. Raise the standards and they will meet it. Problem solved. Make examples of people who fail to meet the standards and the rest will get the message. Hold people accountable and everyone will raise their game. Or maybe you don't understand this conservative concept.

 

[Unkotare]

Once again, you jump in on a subject you know nothing about.

I know enough about it to know ......

What do you really know? What is your training and/or experience relative to the topic? I learn something new about it every day, and I've been at it for a while. How about you?

I don't need any training on this subject, .....

It sure seems like you do. Is this your way of saying you have none?

No, I don't. Because the solution is self evident. .....

Do you hold the same attitude about surgery, piloting aircraft, legal representation, or cooking?

 

[ding]

Do you hold the same attitude about surgery, piloting aircraft, legal representation, or cooking?

Ummm.... standards are a good thing. So is accountability. So, yes. Every profession benefits from high standards and accountability. I understand that liberals may have a hard time with these concepts but they do work. Liberals like yourself believe that all behaviors will lead to equal outcomes, but people who think instead of feel know that not all behaviors lead to equal outcomes. Which is where standards and accountability come into play. These concepts force liberals to adjust their behaviors and raise their level of performance or be held accountable for their actions. It's all very Darwinian.

 

[Unkotare]

What do you really know? What is your training and/or experience relative to the topic? I learn something new about it every day, and I've been at it for a while. How about you?

I don't need any training on this subject, .....

It sure seems like you do. Is this your way of saying you have none?

No, I don't. Because the solution is self evident. .....

Do you hold the same attitude about surgery, piloting aircraft, legal representation, or cooking?

Ummm.... standards are a good thing. So is accountability. So, yes. Every profession benefits from high standards and accountability. I understand that liberals may have a hard time with these concepts but they do work. Liberals like yourself believe that......

I notice that since I pointed out you were reasoning like a liberal you have, in fine 3rd grade fashion, employed the sophisticated "no, YOU are!" Technique at least five times. It's saddening to watch what you're doing to yourself.