Ron Paul: "They're Terrorists Because We're Occupiers".

[CMike]

That's because, Rab, I have no trouble dealing with wingnut evasions and outright lies, like yours and cmike.

Really? I challenge you to post anything that I wrote that was a lie.

"They said that Pres. Bush falsely said that Hussein did 911. However, did you ever question it? Did you ever ask yourself did you ever hear Pres. Bush say that? If you did, and investigate it you would find out he didn't, but said the opposite."

"The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda [is] because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush told reporters after a Cabinet meeting at the White House.

Yeah, so? There was a relationship between Al Qaida and Iraq. What's your point?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I have never read DailyKos and have read the Times maybe twice, cmike.

What I do is is this: look at your posts, and where your post is inherently inconsistent with the reasonable-person standard, I point out the flaws.

That makes you mad because it upsets your far right wingnut agenda.

On the contrary, it doesn't make me made at all. I am happy that you can provide no evidence, and how easily it is to refute what you are saying.

Not very challenging though.

Cmike is in a state of denial.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Lie #2

The lefty sources say that Al Qaida had nothing to do with Hussein? Did you question that? How do they know? In fact, the CIA, and DOD, in declassified memos stated that there was cooperation and ties that went back a decade.

"The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.



Along with the contention that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials have often asserted that there were extensive ties between Hussein's government and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network; earlier this year, Cheney said evidence of a link was "overwhelming."

But the report of the commission's staff, based on its access to all relevant classified information, said that there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation. In yesterday's hearing of the panel, formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, a senior FBI official and a senior CIA analyst concurred with the finding."

 

[JakeStarkey]

Really? I challenge you to post anything that I wrote that was a lie.

"They said that Pres. Bush falsely said that Hussein did 911. However, did you ever question it? Did you ever ask yourself did you ever hear Pres. Bush say that? If you did, and investigate it you would find out he didn't, but said the opposite."

"The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda [is] because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," Bush told reporters after a Cabinet meeting at the White House.

Yeah, so? There was a relationship between Al Qaida and Iraq. What's your point?

Bush is implying then that there was a relationship between Iraq and 9-11. Right there and then Bush should have said that "no Iraqis and Iraq was not involved in 9-11".

 

[nodoginnafight]

Lie number #3

WMD's in Iraq.

The defense? "They moved/destroyed them..."

Yeah .... they set them out for the garbage men I suppose .....

Repeating a lie with conviction - doesn't turn it into the truth

And trying to confirm information obtained through waterboarding (where the victim will say ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to get them to stop) has cost many more American lives that it has saved.

It was obviously waterboarding "intel" that lead us to think there were WMD and that there was a link between Saddam and Al Qaida - so EVERY American life lost in Iraq was a victim of chasing bad waterboarding intel.

 

[CMike]

Lie #2

The lefty sources say that Al Qaida had nothing to do with Hussein? Did you question that? How do they know? In fact, the CIA, and DOD, in declassified memos stated that there was cooperation and ties that went back a decade.

"The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.



Along with the contention that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials have often asserted that there were extensive ties between Hussein's government and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network; earlier this year, Cheney said evidence of a link was "overwhelming."

But the report of the commission's staff, based on its access to all relevant classified information, said that there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation. In yesterday's hearing of the panel, formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, a senior FBI official and a senior CIA analyst concurred with the finding."

That is incorrect. And I think intentionally misquoting the report. This is what the report actually said:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch2.pdf (p. 20)

"But to date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier
contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship."

It's funny how words end up missing among liberals.

In other words, there wasn't evidence that Hussein helped plan specific attacks.

However, they still had ties that went back a decade.

 

[Liability]

Lie #2

The lefty sources say that Al Qaida had nothing to do with Hussein? Did you question that? How do they know? In fact, the CIA, and DOD, in declassified memos stated that there was cooperation and ties that went back a decade.

"The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.



Along with the contention that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials have often asserted that there were extensive ties between Hussein's government and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network; earlier this year, Cheney said evidence of a link was "overwhelming."

But the report of the commission's staff, based on its access to all relevant classified information, said that there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation. In yesterday's hearing of the panel, formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, a senior FBI official and a senior CIA analyst concurred with the finding."

That is incorrect. And I think intentionally misquoting the report. This is what the report actually said:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch2.pdf (p. 20)

"But to date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier
contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship."

It's funny how words end up missing among liberals.

In other words, there wasn't evidence that Hussein helped plan specific attacks.

However, they still had ties that went back a decade.

Liberals now cry "NO FAIR!!!! Waaaah!

CMike, that mean nasty ol' conservative is using FACTS on us and publicly embarrassing us by exposing our tiny widdle -- uhm --- omissions. NO FAIR!!!!!"

 

[CMike]

Saddam's al Qaeda Connection

" The CIA has confirmed, in interviews with detainees and informants it finds highly credible, that al Qaeda's Number 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, met with Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad in 1992 and 1998. More disturbing, according to an administration official familiar with briefings the CIA has given President Bush, the Agency has "irrefutable evidence" that the Iraqi regime paid Zawahiri $300,000 in 1998, around the time his Islamic Jihad was merging with al Qaeda. "It's a lock," says this source. Other administration officials are a bit more circumspect, noting that the intelligence may have come from a single source. Still, four sources spread across the national security hierarchy have confirmed the payment.
...TOP U.S. OFFICIALS linked Iraq and al Qaeda in newspaper op-eds, on talk shows, and in speeches. But the most detailed of their allegations came in an October 7, 2002, letter from CIA director George Tenet to Senate Intelligence chairman Bob Graham and in Secretary of State Colin Powell's February 5, 2003, presentation to the United Nations Security Council.

The Tenet letter declassified CIA reporting on weapons of mass destruction and Iraq's links to al Qaeda. Two sentences on WMD garnered most media attention, but the intelligence chief's comments on al Qaeda deserved notice. "We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al Qa'ida going back a decade," Tenet wrote. "Credible information indicates that Iraq and al Qa'ida have discussed safe haven and reciprocal non-aggression. Since Operation Enduring Freedom [in Afghanistan], we have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al Qa'ida members, including some that have been in Baghdad. We have credible reporting that al Qa'ida leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al Qa'ida members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs." In sum, the letter said, "Iraq's increasing support to extremist Palestinians, coupled with growing indications of a relationship with al Qa'ida, suggest that Baghdad's links to terrorists will increase, even absent US military actions." [/QUOTE]

 

[JakeStarkey]

Putting it in big, blue print does not make it any less false, Mike, when it comes to the inference by the President/theVeep in linking AQ, 9-11, and Iraq while denying it at the same time.

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Congratulations - you just documented that Bush and his administration DID lie about WMD and Iraq-Al Qaida link.

Touche

 

[nodoginnafight]

No wonder Ron Paul can only get votes from delusional wingnuts

He is a good representative of that constituency ...

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

No wonder Ron Paul can only get votes from delusional wingnuts

He is a good representative of that constituency ...

Now you've hurt my feelings.

 

[Liability]

Since we are not "occupiers" using the valid definition of the word, this thread is pointless.

BUT, still, if we were to accept the (silly) notion that we ARE "occupiers" just for the sake of this "discussion," then we would be better off restating the thread premise:

"We are occupiers because THEY are terrorists."

 

[CMike]

Sworn testimony of CIA Director Tenet in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee

Behind Closed Doors

Levin: And relative to Iraq, a couple other questions: Do we--do you have any evidence that Saddam Hussein or his agents played a role in the September 11th terrorist attacks or that he has links to al Qaeda?


Tenet: Well, as I note in my statement, there is no doubt that there have been contacts and linkages to the al Qaeda organization. As to where we are in September 11th, the jury's out. And as I said carefully in my statement, it would be a mistake to dismiss the possibility of state sponsorship, whether Iranian or Iraqi, and we'll see where the evidence takes us. But I want you to think about al Qaeda as a front company that mixes and matches its capabilities. The distinctions between Sunni and Shia that have traditionally divided terrorist groups are not distinctions you should make anymore, because there is a common interest against the United States and its allies in this region, and they will seek capability wherever they can get it.

 

[CMike]

Congratulations - you just documented that Bush and his administration DID lie about WMD and Iraq-Al Qaida link.

Touche

Yeah, how so?

 

[CMike]

Putting it in big, blue print does not make it any less false, Mike, when it comes to the inference by the President/theVeep in linking AQ, 9-11, and Iraq while denying it at the same time.

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

I like for those who try to surpress the truth, to see it in large letters.

It's really quite simple.

There wasn't evidence that Hussein did 911, however, Al Qaida and Hussein had ties that went back a decade.

What is so complicated?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Putting it in big, blue print does not make it any less false, Mike, when it comes to the inference by the President/theVeep in linking AQ, 9-11, and Iraq while denying it at the same time.

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

I like for those who try to surpress the truth, to see it in large letters.

It's really quite simple.

There wasn't evidence that Hussein did 911, however, Al Qaida and Hussein had ties that went back a decade.

What is so complicated?

Mike, you truly are cuckoo. You admitted it above.

 

[The Rabbi]

Congratulations - you just documented that Bush and his administration DID lie about WMD and Iraq-Al Qaida link.

Touche

Actually he just documented that the Left has lied about the whole thing.
Not that many people outside the Left had much doubt.

And you've documented a severe inability to read and understand.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Congratulations - you just documented that Bush and his administration DID lie about WMD and Iraq-Al Qaida link.

Touche

Actually he just documented that the Left has lied about the whole thing.
Not that many people outside the Left had much doubt.

And you've documented a severe inability to read and understand.

Rab, cmike documented that he lied above, not nodoginafight. Please learn to read carefully, man.

 

[nodoginnafight]

No wonder Ron Paul can only get votes from delusional wingnuts

He is a good representative of that constituency ...

Now you've hurt my feelings.

You are absolutely correct. THAT was over-the-top and I apologize. That statement says more about my own deficiencies than those Ron Paul supporters may or may not have.

My bad. I'm sorry.