The consequence I was speaking about was ending a human life.
Roe v. Wade getting overturned!!
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Again… So much of what you say here is untrue. But it’s not worth arguing about because it has nothing to do with the competing interests at play that need to be weighed. You want to skip the weighing and go straight to treating human life as property to be disposed of at the will of its owner.
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No, explain. You state that two are struggling over a single body. Can’t really be described like that when the woman granted the use of her body to the child.
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They really want us to believe that women are so ignorant these days that they can't figure out something so simple.
Are they? I haven't hung out with leftists for a long time. Are they really that ignorant?
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OPJQ221128-#5,916 OhPleaseJustQuit
NotfooledbyW, I'd like to know where you stand on Hilary Clinton's "It takes a village to raise a child" statement. Do you agree?
NFBW: I agree with actual HRC quotes from her book, yes If that is what you mean?
More quotes from Hillary Rodham Clinton, It Takes a Village: And Other Lessons Children Teach Us
They [parents] can resist the impulse to "prove" their love by showering children with things they do not need and give them precisous time and attention instead.
First, we parents have to back up school authority and quit making excuses for our kids when they misbehave.
Parenthood has the power to redefine every aspect of life - marriage, work, relationships with family and friends. Those helpless bundles of power and promise that come into our world show us our true selves- who we are, who we are not, who we wish we could be.
The episodic, reactive, almost frantic pace of what is broadcast makes children feel and act frantic and shortens their attention spans and their patience for activities that take time and problems that don't yield immediate solutions.
Knowing what to expect next gives
forward-thinking teachers and school administrators across the country are creating a whole range of alternatives to cookie-cutter teaching and evaluation methods, such as the use of student portfolios and exhibitions in addition to conventional exams to assess students' progress.
. . .standards are for: They establish what children should know, not
we are living in an interdependent world where what our children hear, see, feel, and learn will affect how they grow up and who they turn out to be.
In times of profound and overwhelming social change like the present, however, extreme views hold out the appeal of simplicity. By ignoring the complexity of the forces that shape our personal and collective circumstances, they offer us scapegoats. Yet they fail to provide a viable pathway from the cold war to the global village.
Anti-government rhetoric appears to offer a vision of greater efficiency, self-reliance, and personal freedom. (For obvious reasons, it also usually enjoys greater financial backing and better organized support.) Unfortunately, this rhetoric ignores what has historically been most valuable about our skepticism toward government—the emphasis it places on personal responsibility from all citizens. Instead, it argues against the excesses of government but not against those of the marketplace, where there is great power to disrupt the lives of workers, families, and communities. It even argues against the basic protections government extends to the well-being of individuals, families, and communities, without offering an alternative way of safeguarding them. In fact, its extreme case against government, often including intense personal attacks on government officials and political leaders, is designed not just to restrain government but to advance narrow religious, political, and economic agendas.
ding above bold is for you. Anti-abortion extremism is all part of that
Let us admit that some government programs and personnel are efficient and effective, and others are not. Let us acknowledge that when it comes to the treatment of children, some individuals are evil, neglectful, or incompetent, but others are trying to do the best they can against daunting odds and deserve not our contempt but the help only we—through our government—can provide. Let us stop stereotyping government and individuals as absolute villains or absolute saviors, and recognize that each must be part of the solution. Let us use government, as we have in the past, to further the common good.
Our strength, in other words, has rested in our determination to reject simplistic absolutes and to redefine and revitalize a productive middle ground, relinquishing outdated solutions and embracing new approaches. As President Lincoln said in his time, 'The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew.
Making the decision to have a child—it’s wondrous. It is to decide forever to have your heart go walking around outside your body. Hillary Rodham Clinton, It Takes a Village
greenP220921-#22 greenerpastures “One example is abortion. It really pains me to know all those children created by God are being destroyed and no one will ever know that person (etc). Then again, it is the people who don't feel badly about that that we should worry about---
NFBW: You know greenerpastures there’s billions of born children who need the best villages that advanced rational wise human beings can bestow upon them. Why not take advice from every person who at least spends some time thinking about it.
The defectors leader of the Republican political machines is having lunch in his palace with a racist anti-Semitic White supremacy leader and ye - do you think the suffering of children around the world was the topic of discussion?
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NotfooledbyW, I'd like to know where you stand on Hilary Clinton's "It takes a village to raise a child" statement. Do you agree?
NFBW: I agree with actual HRC quotes from her book, yes If that is what you mean?
NFBW: horrifying isn’t it for you hate filled scared as shit fascists isn’t it?
More quotes from Hillary Rodham Clinton, It Takes a Village: And Other Lessons Children Teach Us
They [parents] can resist the impulse to "prove" their love by showering children with things they do not need and give them precisous time and attention instead.
First, we parents have to back up school authority and quit making excuses for our kids when they misbehave.
Parenthood has the power to redefine every aspect of life - marriage, work, relationships with family and friends. Those helpless bundles of power and promise that come into our world show us our true selves- who we are, who we are not, who we wish we could be.
The episodic, reactive, almost frantic pace of what is broadcast makes children feel and act frantic and shortens their attention spans and their patience for activities that take time and problems that don't yield immediate solutions.
Knowing what to expect next gives
forward-thinking teachers and school administrators across the country are creating a whole range of alternatives to cookie-cutter teaching and evaluation methods, such as the use of student portfolios and exhibitions in addition to conventional exams to assess students' progress.
. . .standards are for: They establish what children should know, not
we are living in an interdependent world where what our children hear, see, feel, and learn will affect how they grow up and who they turn out to be.
In times of profound and overwhelming social change like the present, however, extreme views hold out the appeal of simplicity. By ignoring the complexity of the forces that shape our personal and collective circumstances, they offer us scapegoats. Yet they fail to provide a viable pathway from the cold war to the global village.
Anti-government rhetoric appears to offer a vision of greater efficiency, self-reliance, and personal freedom. (For obvious reasons, it also usually enjoys greater financial backing and better organized support.) Unfortunately, this rhetoric ignores what has historically been most valuable about our skepticism toward government—the emphasis it places on personal responsibility from all citizens. Instead, it argues against the excesses of government but not against those of the marketplace, where there is great power to disrupt the lives of workers, families, and communities. It even argues against the basic protections government extends to the well-being of individuals, families, and communities, without offering an alternative way of safeguarding them. In fact, its extreme case against government, often including intense personal attacks on government officials and political leaders, is designed not just to restrain government but to advance narrow religious, political, and economic agendas.
ding above bold is for you. Anti-abortion extremism is all part of that
Let us admit that some government programs and personnel are efficient and effective, and others are not. Let us acknowledge that when it comes to the treatment of children, some individuals are evil, neglectful, or incompetent, but others are trying to do the best they can against daunting odds and deserve not our contempt but the help only we—through our government—can provide. Let us stop stereotyping government and individuals as absolute villains or absolute saviors, and recognize that each must be part of the solution. Let us use government, as we have in the past, to further the common good.
Our strength, in other words, has rested in our determination to reject simplistic absolutes and to redefine and revitalize a productive middle ground, relinquishing outdated solutions and embracing new approaches. As President Lincoln said in his time, 'The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew.
Making the decision to have a child—it’s wondrous. It is to decide forever to have your heart go walking around outside your body. Hillary Rodham Clinton, It Takes a Village
greenP220921-#22 greenerpastures “One example is abortion. It really pains me to know all those children created by God are being destroyed and no one will ever know that person (etc). Then again, it is the people who don't feel badly about that that we should worry about---
NFBW: You know greenerpastures there’s billions of born children who need the best villages that advanced rational wise human beings can bestow upon them. Why not take advice from every person who at least spends some time thinking about it.
The defectors leader of the Republican political machines is having lunch in his palace with a racist anti-Semitic White supremacy leader and ye - do you think the suffering of children around the world was the topic of discussion?
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It does understand that we all are given the right to undertake things that are potentially dangerous and deadly. Happens all the time.
His question is absurd at its base.
If you jump out of an airplane with a parachute, of your own free will, the outcome can be really good, or really bad, but the outcome, rather good or bad is yours. If the chute doesn’t open? Well, that’s the result of your choosing.
You are insane if you believe I am going to sort through your formatting obsession.
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I just wanted you to read this part
Anti-government rhetoric appears to offer a vision of greater efficiency, self-reliance, and personal freedom. (For obvious reasons, it also usually enjoys greater financial backing and better organized support.) Unfortunately, this rhetoric ignores what has historically been most valuable about our skepticism toward government—the emphasis it places on personal responsibility from all citizens. Instead, it argues against the excesses of government but not against those of the marketplace, where there is great power to disrupt the lives of workers, families, and communities. It even argues against the basic protections government extends to the well-being of individuals, families, and communities, without offering an alternative way of safeguarding them. In fact, its extreme case against government, often including intense personal attacks on government officials and political leaders, is designed not just to restrain government but to advance narrow religious, political, and economic agendas.
ding above bold is for you. Anti-abortion extremism is all part of that
I don’t care what excuses you are so great at coming up with.
I just wanted you to read this part
Anti-government rhetoric appears to offer a vision of greater efficiency, self-reliance, and personal freedom. (For obvious reasons, it also usually enjoys greater financial backing and better organized support.) Unfortunately, this rhetoric ignores what has historically been most valuable about our skepticism toward government—the emphasis it places on personal responsibility from all citizens. Instead, it argues against the excesses of government but not against those of the marketplace, where there is great power to disrupt the lives of workers, families, and communities. It even argues against the basic protections government extends to the well-being of individuals, families, and communities, without offering an alternative way of safeguarding them. In fact, its extreme case against government, often including intense personal attacks on government officials and political leaders, is designed not just to restrain government but to advance narrow religious, political, and economic agendas.
ding above bold is for you. Anti-abortion extremism is all part of that
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ding221128-#5,921 The consequence I was speaking about was ending a human life.
NFBW: Knowing The circumstances of a born human being ending the life of an unborn human being when the latter is using the former’s body to sustain its life, yes the consequence of pregnancy termination is the death of a human being before it is born. What are the consequences of a private abortion to society as a whole and you in particular.
Have you heard what Trump’s Catholic dinner guest Nick Fuentes said about abortion and Jim Crow laws and Jewish people. ?
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NFBW: Knowing The circumstances of a born human being ending the life of an unborn human being when the latter is using the former’s body to sustain its life, yes the consequence of pregnancy termination is the death of a human being before it is born. What are the consequences of a private abortion to society as a whole and you in particular.
Have you heard what Trump’s Catholic dinner guest Nick Fuentes said about abortion and Jim Crow laws and Jewish people. ?
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Have you heard what the Squad has been saying about Jews?
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Leftards deny that it is akin to murder by denying that it is a unique human life.
Their other favorite dodge is that it is (maybe) a unique life — but it isn’t a “person” until birth and the CONSTITUTIONAL “right to life” is only accorded to “persons.”
To liberals, words have no fixed meaning.
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Hmmm, even a born infant uses the body of another to sustain life. So how old must a child be before it attains the right to live?
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I do love watching themselves look as evil as possible while twisting themselves into knots.
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OPJQ221128-#5,930 You work so hard in your attempt to make murder sound civilized.
NFBW: There was no murder involved for the past fifty years and there is no murder involved in any of the states after Dobbs. There has been no effect on civilization one way or the other.
When Herschel Walkers’ knocked up women got abortions in private what was the effect on civilization? Republicans think a former football player who ***** around with lots of women and kills the babies he makes is so ******* civilized he should be a US Senator even though dumber than a doorknob.
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NFBW: There was no murder involved for the past fifty years and there is no murder involved in any of the states after Dobbs. There has been no effect on civilization one way or the other.
When Herschel Walkers’ knocked up women got abortions in private what was the effect on civilization? Republicans think a former football player who ***** around with lots of women and kills the babies he makes is so ******* civilized he should be a US Senator even though dumber than a doorknob.
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The sentiment that government is a necessary evil and that if men were angels there would be no need of government were widely held beliefs of our founding fathers. It’s a huge leap from that position to extremism of any flavor.
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ding221128-#5,936 ding The sentiment that government is a necessary evil and that if men were angels there would be no need of government were widely held beliefs of our founding fathers. It’s a huge leap from that position to extremism of any flavor.
Hillary Clinton wrote: In fact, its extreme case against government, often including intense personal attacks on government officials and political leaders, is designed not just to restrain government but to advance narrow religious, political, and economic agendas.
NFBW: If one is a woman in a Trump Christian state that banned women’s access to an abortion, I’d say based on election results in Kansas Michigan etc where reproductive rights were on the voting machines, most women, younger women are voting against religious extremism in the Republican Party whether they think they will ever need an abortion in their future or not.
But you cannot see it because you have Christian religion bias that does not allow you to see right wing religion as nothing but a positive driver of successful behaviors which Western Civilization was built upon.
ding220127-#617 I don’t see how that changes the fact that we were founded as a Christian nation based upon Christian values and principles. Not religious dogma per se but the successful behaviors which Western Civilization was built upon.
We were not founded as a Christian nation ding in any way shape or form. Extremism and intolerance in the name of God was to our founders one of the most serious threats to their vision for America.
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Hillary Clinton wrote: In fact, its extreme case against government, often including intense personal attacks on government officials and political leaders, is designed not just to restrain government but to advance narrow religious, political, and economic agendas.
NFBW: If one is a woman in a Trump Christian state that banned women’s access to an abortion, I’d say based on election results in Kansas Michigan etc where reproductive rights were on the voting machines, most women, younger women are voting against religious extremism in the Republican Party whether they think they will ever need an abortion in their future or not.
But you cannot see it because you have Christian religion bias that does not allow you to see right wing religion as nothing but a positive driver of successful behaviors which Western Civilization was built upon.
ding220127-#617 I don’t see how that changes the fact that we were founded as a Christian nation based upon Christian values and principles. Not religious dogma per se but the successful behaviors which Western Civilization was built upon.
We were not founded as a Christian nation ding in any way shape or form. Extremism and intolerance in the name of God was to our founders one of the most serious threats to their vision for America.
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HeyNorm221128-#5,933 HeyNorm Hmmm, even a born infant uses the body of another to sustain life. So how old must a child be before it attains the right to live?
NFBW: When they become citizens at birth as it has always been. See this phrase from the Constitution “All persons born or naturalized in the United States” or prior to 24th week of pregnancy when the capability to be born has been developed.
beagle9221127-#5,848 beagle9 “The Fifth Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution declare that governments cannot deprive any person of "life, liberty, or property" without due process of law.”
NFBW: The very same document you cite in the paragraph above defines explicitly how every reference to “persons and people” within the sacred humanist document must be interpreted to mean:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
NFBW: And in the same post beagle9 you explain to the readers and of course ding why the states are not supposed to write laws that deprive pregnant women ( I assume you consider them persons) of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness if they are doing no harm to the life liberty and pursuit of happiness to any other person as recognized in the Constitution per the above.
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NFBW: When they become citizens at birth as it has always been. See this phrase from the Constitution “All persons born or naturalized in the United States” or prior to 24th week of pregnancy when the capability to be born has been developed.
beagle9221127-#5,848 beagle9 “The Fifth Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution declare that governments cannot deprive any person of "life, liberty, or property" without due process of law.”
NFBW: The very same document you cite in the paragraph above defines explicitly how every reference to “persons and people” within the sacred humanist document must be interpreted to mean:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
NFBW: And in the same post beagle9 you explain to the readers and of course ding why the states are not supposed to write laws that deprive pregnant women ( I assume you consider them persons) of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness if they are doing no harm to the life liberty and pursuit of happiness to any other person as recognized in the Constitution per the above.
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" Blind Babbling Out Their Ass "
* Hue Mammon Includes Any Mammal *
A per son means male and countable by census , and aside from including females as a back door abuse of its literal meaning , a per son is clarified in title 1 section 8 of us code , though it is little more than a reiteration of the obvious live birth requirement for equal protection with a citizen .
Thus , the sanctimonious , anti-choice sycophants , with the pathetic arrogance of damned dirty apes , support the dumbfounded sedition of scoty by its dobbs decision and are nothing more than traitors to us constitution and to its republic .
The liberal versus conservative paradigm is intellectual buffoonery that causes mental retardation in society , and not being an example of a degenerate , political science neophyte would be a good start to correct its stupidity .
* Hue Mammon Includes Any Mammal *
The arrogance of the apex predator , hue mammon ape , is amazing .
A per son means male and countable by census , and aside from including females as a back door abuse of its literal meaning , a per son is clarified in title 1 section 8 of us code , though it is little more than a reiteration of the obvious live birth requirement for equal protection with a citizen .
Thus , the sanctimonious , anti-choice sycophants , with the pathetic arrogance of damned dirty apes , support the dumbfounded sedition of scoty by its dobbs decision and are nothing more than traitors to us constitution and to its republic .
The liberal versus conservative paradigm is intellectual buffoonery that causes mental retardation in society , and not being an example of a degenerate , political science neophyte would be a good start to correct its stupidity .
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Got it. So killing those not born in this country is fine by you because when asked when life is to be protected you stated quite clearly that only those born or naturalized in this country have this right.
You crack me up.
So fetal homicide laws are now unconstitutional? That is, after all, you’re argument, correct?
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