NFBW: FORtheRECORD
HeyNorm221127-
#5,864 âWho is the childâ. A child is a person. A person is protected under state, federal and constitutional law.
NFBW221127-
#5,866 âHave you ever heard the expression âMy wife is with childâ which is another way of saying âMy wife is pregnant.â Sorry I didnât know you were are one of the fussy ones. Are you pro-choice?
HeyNorm221128-
#5,867 Yes, I have heard the expression âwith childâ. The expression has meaning. Those using it believes it to be âa childâ. There are many many ways of expressing the same without granting it personhood.
NFBW: Most intentionally pregnant people, like my youngest highly educated pro-choice, young medical professional woman and daughter just informed her mother and me that she is going to have a baby. Itâs her first child and pregnancy
Using a loving expression does not grant the brainless heartless zygote embryo fetus she has âinvited into her bellyâ to use her biologically functioning anatomy to sustain its life for the next seven and a half months of her life.
NFBW: FORtheRECORD Here is what went down betwixt you, me and the fencepost, others posters thus far:
TK220511-
#2,987 @TemplarKormac âThe baby is only human when the mother wants it. Such utter pomposity and arrogance defy science and all reasoningâ
NFBW221127-
#5,849 Both are human before during and after the medical procedure of abortion.
The ROE V Wade human rights riddle?
If two persons, both being human beings, are contesting the use of one personâs body, does one personâs (human being) right to life automatically trump a significant and lengthy and potentially harmful or deadly use of the other persons body?
HeyNorm221127-
#5,861 HeyNorm âUm, not true. If it were the fetal homicide laws would be overturned. The killer can be charged whether the mother wanted the child or not.â
NFBW221127-
#5,863 âIt is murder of two persons because the unborn person using the pregnant womanâs body to be alive is protected from harm through the rights granted to the pregnant woman whether the mother wants the child or not.
The killer is killing the pregnant woman and the (potential viable human being) that is attached to the living, breathing viable woman who is with child.
HeyNorm221127-
#5,864 âWho is the childâ. A child is a person. A person is protected under state, federal and constitutional law.
NFBW221127-
#5,866 âHave you ever heard the expression âMy wife is with childâ which is another way of saying âMy wife is pregnant.â Sorry I didnât know you were are one of the fussy ones. Are you pro-choice?
Why would the killer of a mother and child not be charged for murder of two individual human beings when the mother is deprived of her right to life by a killer. And then when she dies, whether she plans to keep it or not, the life support she gives dies with her.
Opponents of abortion generally regard the procedure as a âkilling,â but a woman having an abortion can see it as a withdrawal of life support. When you bring in a third person who kills a mother with child, the killer does not just kill a pregnant woman, the killer is causing the withdrawal of support to the separate human being that cannot live without it. The killer kills two even though there is only one born person involved when the killer attacks.
When there is no third party killer involved it is quite simple. Itâs about the right of the mother because she has a right to withdraw life support to a human being that is not capable of being born.
HeyNorm221128-
#5,867 Yes, I have heard the expression âwith childâ. The expression has meaning. Those using it believes it to be âa childâ. There are many many ways of expressing the same without granting it personhood.
But since the phrase was used in such a manner, then the speaker must believe it to be a person.
HeyNorm221128-
#5,867 Now you want me to believe that it is a person, but not âperson enoughâ to have protection of our laws.
NFBW: I do not want you to believe anything of the sort. I believe the above ( NFBW221127-
#5,849 ) and see no need to get into a semantics or wordology distraction such as that.
HeyNorm221128-
#5,867 This appears the same justification the white slave owners had as well. âMy slave is a human, but property non the less and may be destroyed at my whimâ.
NFBW. Jefferson and other founding father slave owners were not women for sure, and not being required by the state to give slaves the use of their bodies for nine months so I fail to see the relevance to this chapter of this discussion except to place an object o the tracks to derail it, For now can we bring it back oto the ROE v Wade Riddle? The Constitutional rights conflict between mother and unborn child with respect to this . . . All
persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereofâ and this
If two persons, both being human beings, are contesting the use of one personâs body, does one personâs (human being) right to life automatically trump a significant and lengthy and potentially harmful or deadly use of the other persons body?
Slavery has nothing to do with the rights of the two persons, one recognized and viable and one not and unborn, going through the reproduction process under the multitude of societal processes and challenges and rewards of being human.
I specifically asked when a human attained the right to live, and you replied that only United States citizens and those obtaining citizenship have this right.
NFBW: you must be talking about the following post:
HeyNorm221128-
#5,933 HeyNorm Hmmm, even a born infant uses the body of another to sustain life. So how old must a child be before it attains the right to live?
NFBW: This was my answer.
NFBW221128-
#5,938 âWhen they become citizens at birth as it has always been. See this phrase from the Constitution â
All persons born or naturalized in the United Statesâ or prior to 24th week of pregnancy when the capability to be born has been developed.
NFBW: So as you can see my answer to your question âhow old must a child be before it attains the right to live?â was a LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL ONE which you are unable to refute.
IF you have a private copy of a Catholic US Constitution that says a child has a right to life the moment He or She is conceived and created by Gid, then I missed it somehow and could you please provide a link to it.
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