Roe overturned

[Monk-Eye]

" Perspectives Of A State "

* A Bit Of Assistance *

This is confusing as fuck.

Did they decide life begins in the womb or not?

And what are you trying to convey with "Why they used the term viability and 22 weeks bans are allowed." That's not a sentence with any decipherable meaning...

A state is comprised of citizens , without the citizen a state does not exist .

A citizen and its constitutional protections are instantiated at birth ; ergo , equal protection requires birth .

Blackmun wrote " Logically, of course, a legitimate state interest in this area need not stand or fall on acceptance of the belief that life begins at conception or at some other point prior to live birth." .

The roe court then deduced that post natural viability a standard of live birth was relative , that is sufficient in potential for live birth , and alluded to a " potential life " .

The meaning of potential life has nothing to do with designating a biological life , rather it is an allusion to a potential wright to life from the perspective of a state .

From a supposition for a post viability , potential birth , potential life , the roe court ruled that a state interest could begin and a state could proscribe ( outlaw ) abortion beginning in the third trimester when it occurs .

Another consideration would be that of capital punishment , where an individual whom removes a wright to life of another , by double entendre , is subject to having their own wright to life removed , albeit by due process .

So in the context of capital punishment , a state is not concerned with whether the individual is alive and defacto entitled to equal protection of that wright , rather a state is concerned with whether a wright to life is entitled .

Many religious institutions claim to be pro-life and against capital punishment , whereas those who understand a separation between church and state are concerned only with an entitlement to a wright to life - in and of itself , and both abortion and capital punishment are expected .

 

[eagle1462010]

Fetal viability - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Period of viability[edit]​

Beliefs about viability vary by country. Medical decisions regarding the resuscitation of extremely preterm infants (EPI) deemed to be in the "grey zone" usually take into account weight and gestational age, as well as parental views.[15][16][17][18] One 2018 study showed that there was a significant difference between countries in what was considered to be the "grey zone": the "grey zone" was considered to be 22.0–22.6/23 weeks in Sweden, 23.0–23.6/24 weeks in the UK, and 24.0–25.6/26 weeks in Netherlands.[15] Whether the fetus is in the period of viability may have legal ramifications as far as the fetus' rights of protection are concerned.[19] Traditionally, the period of viability referred to the period after the twenty-eighth week,[20]

United States Supreme Court[edit]​

The United States Supreme Court stated in Roe v. Wade (1973) that viability, definied as the "interim point at which the fetus becomes ... potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid",[21] "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."[21] The 28-week definition became part of the "trimester framework" marking the point at which the "compelling state interest" (under the doctrine of strict scrutiny) in preserving potential life became possibly controlling, permitting states to freely regulate and even ban abortion after the 28th week.[21] The subsequent Planned Parenthood v. Casey (1992) modified the "trimester framework", permitting the states to regulate abortion in ways not posing an "undue burden" on the right of the mother to an abortion at any point before viability; on account of technological developments between 1973 and 1992, viability itself was legally dissociated from the hard line of 28 weeks, leaving the point at which "undue burdens" were permissible variable depending on the technology of the time and the judgment of the state legislatures.

Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002[edit]​

In 2002, the U.S. government enacted the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act. Whereas a fetus may be viable or not viable in utero, this law provides a legal definition for personal human life when not in utero. It defines "born alive" as "the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles"[22] and specifies that any of these is the action of a living human person. While the implications of this law for defining viability in medicine may not be fully explored,[23] in practice doctors and nurses are advised not to resuscitate such persons with gestational age of 22 weeks or less, under 400 g weight, with anencephaly, or with a confirmed diagnosis of trisomy 13 or 18.[24][25]


Abortion could be banned after 22 weeks before this decision. Above is the history.

Mississippi pushed to overturn Roe by saying LIFE BEGINS before viability. 15 weeks is the Mississippi law.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" State By State Whimsy Per Election For Non Enumerated Wright In Us 9th Is Idiocy "

* Equal Protection Clause Violated *

Fetal viability - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mississippi pushed to overturn Roe by saying LIFE BEGINS before viability. 15 weeks is the Mississippi law.​

By constitutional originalism , sustaining mississippi law is an egregious error , as it is inconsistent with an expectation for sufficient potential for survival by live birth , as it diminishes equal protection requirements with a citizen and as it overextends the valid interests that should be available to a state .

 

[Captain Caveman]

Dude, last time: The woman in Colorado wants to terminate her pregnancy. The ten men in Maine don't want her to.

Why should their desire that she not terminate her pregnancy supersede her desire to do so?

Because it's better for the many, society, as opposed to 10 in Maine.

 

[beagle9]

No more so than abortion, birth control and same sex marriage.



The 14th Amendment does not mention marriage at all. And for the past few days we have been told that if the Constitution does not mention is specifically then it is left up to the states.



And I hope you all run on that platform as well as doing away with same sex marriage. It is a sure winning strategy.

With the issue's that are being observed and dealt with today,

- Here's how it works -

If anything gets to far out of line or out of whack in accordance to a majority citizen view across this nation, and it is established by evidentiary findings that certain activities show negative cause and effect of a severe nature and impact on society, (otherwise when encountering anything that has been granted as a right outside of our constitution), then in view of it's overwhelming evidentiary findings where it is found that the granted right is causing a big time negative impact upon society in many various evidentiary ways, then society will quickly rebuke it, and call to make changes in the rules and/or law's in order to end the right granted...... So it's up to those to conduct themselves in decent and humane ways if they want to keep their rights granted them or they will have those rights rebuked.

It's as simple as that.

Example - Say a family grants a right for a neighbor kid to come in the back gate to go swimming, but to the families utter shock and horror the neighbor kid brings in 6 friends through the opened back gate to join in on the fun also. Next thing ya know, the family walks out to find the back yard destroyed, trash in the pool, shed painted up in graffiti, and the sprinkler system damaged. So what happens next ? The family bans the neighbor kid, puts a lock on the gate, and learns it's lesson. Trust is huge factor in everything. Lose the trust of the people, and get banned.

That's how this nation work's, and has worked since it's founding. Without the ability to correct a wrong if something is found to not work, then the nation is done, so it is my suggestion that if people want to retain their activities, rights, and freedom's granted, then they had best carry themselves decently, peacefully, and accordingly in society, otherwise being satisfied living within the boundary line's that were granted them.

Every human culture or activity has boundaries in which it must observe and submit to, otherwise in order for a civilized society to exist in harmony together. When those boundaries are crossed and abused then bad things begin to happen.

Abortion rights are a great example of boundary line's being broken in big ways, and the rights granted began to morph into something evil and unrecognizable to the common sense valued eyes of the good and civilized law abiding citizen's in this country.

This is why abortion has now been placed outside of it's once upon a time newly federal granted protections, and has since been returned back to the states for a re-evaluation of it's purpose and allowance within the state's.

The federal government is not to uphold unconstitutional rules that are pushed upon it by the state's, and then those rules or law's begin ripping at the civilized fabric that has held this nation together since it's founding.

This is why we've seen many correction's over the year's, and those correction's will continue until God comes back to render judgement upon the entire world.

If guilty minded about these things, then I suggest that people as individual's or group's check themselves instead of playing the blame game as a deflection of what they were doing in society that was causing so much trouble and confusion.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Fast Track Nowhere "

* Blathering Nonsense *

With the issue's that are being observed and dealt with today,

- Here's how it works -

If anything gets to far out of line or out of whack in accordance to a majority citizen view across this nation, and it is established by evidentiary findings that certain activities show negative cause and effect of a severe nature and impact on society, (otherwise when encountering anything that has been granted as a right outside of our constitution), then in view of it's overwhelming evidentiary findings where it is found that the granted right is causing a big time negative impact upon society in many various evidentiary ways, then society will quickly rebuke it, and call to make changes in the rules and/or law's in order to end the right granted...... So it's up to those to conduct themselves in decent and humane ways if they want to keep their rights granted them or they will have those rights rebuked.

It's as simple as that.

Example - Say a family grants a right for a neighbor kid to come in the back gate to go swimming, but to the families utter shock and horror the neighbor kid brings in 6 friends through the opened back gate to join in on the fun also. Next thing ya know, the family walks out to find the back yard destroyed, trash in the pool, shed painted up in graffiti, and the sprinkler system damaged. So what happens next ? The family bans the neighbor kid, puts a lock on the gate, and learns it's lesson. Trust is huge factor in everything. Lose the trust of the people, and get banned.

That's how this nation work's, and has worked since it's founding. Without the ability to correct a wrong if something is found to not work, then the nation is done, so it is my suggestion that if people want to retain their activities, rights, and freedom's granted, then they had best carry themselves decently, peacefully, and accordingly in society, otherwise being satisfied living within the boundary line's that were granted them.

Every human culture or activity has boundaries in which it must observe and submit to, otherwise in order for a civilized society to exist in harmony together. When those boundaries are crossed and abused then bad things begin to happen.

Abortion rights are a great example of boundary line's being broken in big ways, and the rights granted began to morph into something evil and unrecognizable to the common sense valued eyes of the good and civilized law abiding citizen's in this country.

This is why abortion has now been placed outside of it's once upon a time newly federal granted protections, and has since been returned back to the states for a re-evaluation of it's purpose and allowance within the state's.

The federal government is not to uphold unconstitutional rules that are pushed upon it by the state's, and then those rules or law's begin ripping at the civilized fabric that has held this nation together since it's founding.

This is why we've seen many correction's over the year's, and those correction's will continue until God comes back to render judgement upon the entire world.

If guilty minded about these things, then I suggest that people as individual's or group's check themselves instead of playing the blame game as a deflection of what they were doing in society that was causing so much trouble and confusion.

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Roe overturned

" Perspectives Of A State " * A Bit Of Assistance * This is confusing as fuck. Did they decide life begins in the womb or not? And what are you trying to convey with "Why they used the term viability and 22 weeks bans are allowed." That's not a sentence with any decipherable meaning... A...

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Roe overturned

" Perspectives Of A State " * A Bit Of Assistance * This is confusing as fuck. Did they decide life begins in the womb or not? And what are you trying to convey with "Why they used the term viability and 22 weeks bans are allowed." That's not a sentence with any decipherable meaning... A...

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[beagle9]

So then cleaning your ears is a "medical procedure" too right?

Quit while you aren't ahead bro.

 

[beagle9]

" Fast Track Nowhere "

* Blathering Nonsense *

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Roe overturned

" Perspectives Of A State " * A Bit Of Assistance * This is confusing as fuck. Did they decide life begins in the womb or not? And what are you trying to convey with "Why they used the term viability and 22 weeks bans are allowed." That's not a sentence with any decipherable meaning... A...

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Roe overturned

" Perspectives Of A State " * A Bit Of Assistance * This is confusing as fuck. Did they decide life begins in the womb or not? And what are you trying to convey with "Why they used the term viability and 22 weeks bans are allowed." That's not a sentence with any decipherable meaning... A...

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Your blah, blah, blah tells me you said to yourself "Oh chit damage control, damage control"... ROTFLMBO..

 

[flan327]

Like that is the overwhelming reason for an abortion? Really?

Quote the OP

 

[beagle9]

Does Fauci know that covid is over? Does senile Joe know? Does CNN know? Does WHO know?

They should, because if they don't then it's because as ole blowhard Joe said, "another pandemic is going to happen". Yeah maybe so ole Joe, but hopefully not in our lifetimes, so stop political fear mongering unless you know something no one else knows. Hmmmmmm.

 

[beagle9]

I’m one of THE LEFT

Smarter than many here

You're just a troll is what you are.

 

[dblack]

Of course you do,which is why the pro abortion crowd constantly makes demands for the government to grant them things related to reproduction.

I'm not a crowd.

 

[basquebromance]

Ireland is 87% Catholic. In 2018, 66% of Ireland voted to make abortion legal.

The rest of the world is moving forward. The United States is falling back.

 

[basquebromance]

Let me get this straight - we can’t codify Roe because of the filibuster? But if Republicans take the House and Senate they’ll pass a national abortion ban? Presumably by abolishing the filibuster? So we’re just gonna sit around waiting for them to do it?

 

[basquebromance]

Let’s not mince words: Women will die because of this ruling

 

[basquebromance]

Wasn't Abbott going to stamp out rape,in Texas when their abortion bill came out??

 

[Meister]

Quote the OP

Quote the OP

Why? I wasn't referencing the OP, was I?

 

[beagle9]

Coming to a theatre near you soon. Enjoy KARMA BITCH.......

Take your fascism to a place that will accept it...........IT'S NOT HERE.

I thought Bluesman was a conservative in the past, did he flip or am I just confused ?? Hard to keep up with all the names and characters around here.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Let me get this straight - we can’t codify Roe because of the filibuster? But if Republicans take the House and Senate they’ll pass a national abortion ban? Presumably by abolishing the filibuster? So we’re just gonna sit around waiting for them to do it?

If they do this stupid action as you speculate it will badly damage the party because it is STUPID!

 

[Meister]

Let’s not mince words: Women will die because of this ruling

Women will die because of this ruling? How so?
If there is a medical necessity for an abortion, it's still there.
The ruling DID NOT outlaw abortions, Basque