Rightwingers really need to stop comparing the summer riots to the Jan 6th insurrection and here is why

[jc456]

I’ll be happy to convert you to a progressive.

When will you get there?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

The insurrectionist violent race-based rioters in the summer riotS used an apparently racist police officer’s criminal behavior as a pretext to commit numerous disruptions of people’s lives, including destruction or property, businesses, the commission of arsons and actual physical violence against folks who didn’t do the cop’s actions.

I agree as long as it’s clear that your ( “as a pretext” to commit numerous disruptions of people’s lives) characterization of the criminal element that committed those riotous acts applies only to the criminals themselves who need to be in prison for their crimes? I want to be sure that you are not inferring that any organizers of peaceful protest or politicians, or voters on the left who engaged in those lawful protests, are sitting around waiting hoping that a cop murders a black man so that another round of rioting can begin. Is that the case? Is that what you meant?

If so, why do law abiding Democrats, leftists or anybody such as myself who voted Democrat since the war in Vietnam was raging, really need to accept your label of the Chauvin riots to be an insurrection of some sort by the entire left. - - - What was the political gain or insurrection intent for the left when Martin J. Engelhart woke up on May 30 and heard the police would be preoccupied dealing with spontaneous protests over the murder of George Floyd, I so he decided to hook up with other criminals to break windows of an Athlete’s Foot store in order to stock up on an armfuk of new running shoes? I am not getting a connection tying the Democratic Party to Englehart’s criminality in some sort of insurrection to achieve a common political goal. If I am missing something please explain.


RIOTER - during the CHAUVIN protest on May30 Martin J. Engelhart looted stores, and took part in a beating

Martin J. Engelhart, 21, Madison, was charged July 16 with looting two shoe stores at East Towne Mall and taking part in beating a man who had tried to stop the looting of a State Street shop earlier the same night.

Keeping track: Over 50 people facing felony charges in vandalism, looting, violence during protests

A criminal complaint charges Engelhart with substantial battery as party to a crime, two counts of burglary as party to a crime and one count of attempted burglary as party to a crime, all felonies, for events he is accused of taking part in May 30, the first night of protests that began Downtown. 22FEB03-#1082. *thank you for an intelligent readable response.

 

[Billy000]

When will you get there?

Don’t make this difficult. Lay down and accept my truth. You’ll leave all this right wing foolishness behind.

 

[Not a Monkeys Uncle]

Don’t make this difficult. Lay down and accept my truth. You’ll leave all this right wing foolishness behind.

 

[Not a Monkeys Uncle]

FBI confirms there was no insurrection on Jan. 6​

FBI confirms there was no insurrection on Jan. 6 - Washington Examiner

The Cambridge Dictionary defines “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence” By that definition, there was no “insurrection” at the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to the FBI. Reuters...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

The Cambridge Dictionary defines “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence”

By that definition, there was no “insurrection” at the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to the FBI. Reuters reports:

 

[Not a Monkeys Uncle]

Please explain this to me, somebody, anybody:

How exactly is this overthrow accomplished? Is the poster saying that the military and the Supreme Court and the governors of the states and the White House and the FBI and the CIA and the NSA and all other agencies and law enforcement agencies would start bowing down to a group of guys who entered the Capitol? Because unless that happens, no overthrow is even possible, let alone intended.

That is the insanity of such a statement. The only way to see the capitol protest as a threat is to assume that the military and the Supreme Court and the governors of the states and the White House and the FBI and the CIA and the NSA, etc. etc. are all going to start obeying them.

But of course,, they are not.

America is not some banana Republic were you can occupy the palace of Il Presidente and rule the country. A physical overthrow of America is not even possible. Thats why all the crying and peeing about it being the worst day ever is a total, 100% ignorant lie, meant to appeal to the most ignorant elements of society.

And that it does.

 

[Not a Monkeys Uncle]

Billy000
is a punkass
LIAR

 

[Not a Monkeys Uncle]

Heroes of J6 in New Documentary​

See the trailer here:

Capitol Punishment (2021) ⭐ 5.6 | Documentary, Crime, History

2h 19m

www.imdb.com

 

[Billy000]

Billy000
is a punkass
LIAR

Non sense. You just lack the critical thinking skills and/or emotional maturity to accept my truth.

 

[Not a Monkeys Uncle]

Non sense. You just lack the critical thinking skills and/or emotional maturity to accept my truth.

You are a liar and a piece of shit.

 

[jc456]

Don’t make this difficult. Lay down and accept my truth. You’ll leave all this right wing foolishness behind.

Can’t get there huh?

 

[BackAgain]

I agree as long as it’s clear that your ( “as a pretext” to commit numerous disruptions of people’s lives) characterization of the criminal element that committed those riotous acts applies only to the criminals themselves who need to be in prison for their crimes? I want to be sure that you are not inferring that any organizers of peaceful protest or politicians, or voters on the left who engaged in those lawful protests, are sitting around waiting hoping that a cop murders a black man so that another round of rioting can begin. Is that the case? Is that what you meant?

If so, why do law abiding Democrats, leftists or anybody such as myself who voted Democrat since the war in Vietnam was raging, really need to accept your label of the Chauvin riots to be an insurrection of some sort by the entire left. - - - What was the political gain or insurrection intent for the left when Martin J. Engelhart woke up on May 30 and heard the police would be preoccupied dealing with spontaneous protests over the murder of George Floyd, I so he decided to hook up with other criminals to break windows of an Athlete’s Foot store in order to stock up on an armfuk of new running shoes? I am not getting a connection tying the Democratic Party to Englehart’s criminality in some sort of insurrection to achieve a common political goal. If I am missing something please explain.


RIOTER - during the CHAUVIN protest on May30 Martin J. Engelhart looted stores, and took part in a beating

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Martin J. Engelhart, 21, Madison, was charged July 16 with looting two shoe stores at East Towne Mall and taking part in beating a man who had tried to stop the looting of a State Street shop earlier the same night.

Keeping track: Over 50 people facing felony charges in vandalism, looting, violence during protests

A criminal complaint charges Engelhart with substantial battery as party to a crime, two counts of burglary as party to a crime and one count of attempted burglary as party to a crime, all felonies, for events he is accused of taking part in May 30, the first night of protests that began Downtown. 22FEB03-#1082. *thank you for an intelligent readable response.

Your post is lengthy even by my standards.

As for your caveat that my characterization “applies only to the criminals themselves who need to be in prison for their crimes? I want to be sure that you are not inferring that any organizers of peaceful protest or politicians, or voters on the left who engaged in those lawful protests …” : so stipulated.

As for your second point, rather than defend my claim of “insurrection,” just yet (and I reserve the right to concede that it might be a poor answer), let me flip it around. Why do YOU claim the purpose of engaging in rioting was in those cases? I understand the reason for the anger. But what was the rotating supposed to accomplish?

 

[Billy000]

Can’t get there huh?

Oh I’m there!

 

[jc456]

Oh I’m there!

Only in your dreams

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Why do YOU claim the purpose of engaging in rioting was in those cases? I understand the reason for the anger. But what was the rotating supposed to accomplish?

If you are asking what the rioting was supposed to accomplish, I don’t think there is a rationale, set of reasons or logical basis to apply to the collective unorganized random violent behavior we are calling the Chauvin riots except this,

LOOTING: It’s greed taking advantage of overburdened police

ARSON:smashing cars;breaking windows Make no sense other than anger as you say directed at ‘haves for having a killer like Chauvin on the force. ATTENTION motivates some - they think breaking things brings positive attention to the cause. It’s REVENGE for some .

FIGHTING: cant say counter protesters, agents provocateurs, troublemakers, untrained police etc scramble the agenda. Need to watch videos to sort all that out. Who has time for that?

I have personal experience having attended a peaceful protest against the invasion of Iraq. I believe in February 2003 a month before the invasion. It was one of the largest protests against impending war in DC. The rally was large and overwhelmingly peaceful and then there was a march from the Capitol to the Navy Yard. As the march began a small mob maybe 10 dressed in black, I think they were socialists workers party we’re going down the street started throwing bricks and smashing windows. All the marchers I was with were angry that any violence was breaking out. - - - The police showed up quickly and we were pleased they separated the peaceful protesters from the violent gang. The police put their bags diverse circle in the game and put them on the ground. We just wanted to stop the start of the war. They wanted to break windows, I have no fucking idea what they think it will accomplish. 22FEB03-#1095

 

[BackAgain]

If you are asking what the rioting was supposed to accomplish, I don’t think there is a rationale, set of reasons or logical basis to apply to the collective unorganized random violent behavior we are calling the Chauvin riots except this,

LOOTING: It’s greed taking advantage of overburdened police

ARSON:smashing cars;breaking windows Make no sense other than anger as you say directed at ‘haves for having a killer like Chauvin on the force. ATTENTION motivates some - they think breaking things brings positive attention to the cause. It’s REVENGE for some .

FIGHTING: cant say counter protesters, agents provocateurs, troublemakers, untrained police etc scramble the agenda. Need to watch videos to sort all that out. Who has time for that?

I have personal experience having attended a peaceful protest against the invasion of Iraq. I believe in February 2003 a month before the invasion. It was one of the largest protests against impending war in DC. The rally was large and overwhelmingly peaceful and then there was a march from the Capitol to the Navy Yard. As the march began a small mob maybe 10 dressed in black, I think they were socialists workers party we’re going down the street started throwing bricks and smashing windows. All the marchers I was with were angry that any violence was breaking out. - - - The police showed up quickly and we were pleased they separated the peaceful protesters from the violent gang. The police put their bags diverse circle in the game and put them on the ground. We just wanted to stop the start of the war. They wanted to break windows, I have no fucking idea what they think it will accomplish. 22FEB03-#1095

Clearly there are things on which you and I disagree. Oddly, but perhaps hopefully, I see some common ground here, too. That said,
I believe I did overstate my case to make a point. Guilty. So, let me backpeddle a bit and be more clear:

I think it is silly of me to claim that the rioters were “insurrectionists.” And that was the point of my hyperbole.

Boiled down: it is an absurdity to claim that the summer riots over Chauvin’s criminal behavior constitute an effort to overthrow the government. SIMILARLY, I maintain that’s equally baseless to claim that a small group with no guns were engaged in an insurrection on 1/6.

I hope that concession to reality and confession of hyperbole clears the air a bit.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I hope that concession to reality and confession of hyperbole clears the air a bit.

It certainly does. I had a conversation with two intelligent conservatives this week, it’s never happened in the past 20 years. Right now I’m trying to finish up my floor tile in my basement but I will reply in a little bit.

 

[Billy000]

You are a liar and a piece of shit.

Nah, I’m always right.

 

[BackAgain]

It certainly does. I had a conversation with two intelligent conservatives this week, it’s never happened in the past 20 years. Right now I’m trying to finish up my floor tile in my basement but I will reply in a little bit.

I’ve had several reasonable conversations with various conservatives. I’m not suggesting that we will ever find one another all that persuasive on the basics. But it is refreshing as hell to occasionally take a step back and really listen to what an opposing thinker has to say and be given a similar courtesy in return.

There are plenty of raw meat hacks out there. Then I usually deal with very differently. Like: “oh noszies! You have maligned me or insulted my intelligence with your ad hominems!” Yep. We all got over that shit and return volley. It’s meaningless, but it beats giving them any credence.

EG: see next post, below.

 

[BackAgain]

Nah, I’m always right.

Not if you’re denying be a liar and a piece of shit. So much for that theory.