Rightist Support of Police

[Pilate]

I’d like to challenge the idea that many right wingers have that motivate them to support the police. I myself used to be a right winger, now I don’t really feel like I fit in on any political compass. I’d like to show that...
1. The police are not there to help you.
2. The police will harm you.

Starting with the first, there are numerous Supreme Court rulings all of which have stated that the police do not have an obligation to protect you if you’re in danger. And secondly, consider the following cases:
1. In 1999, after local law enforcement failed to catch a burglar who had burglarized the same home several times, the homeowner set a shotgun trap which wounded the thief, resulting in him being caught. The homeowner was promptly jailed for 6 months and fined $10,000. Yes, the judge was obviously culpable in this case, but the judge himself doesn’t do the legwork. It’s the cops.
2. After a mob formed outside his home, shouting at the homeowner in question over a yard sign and blasting loud music, the homeowner, without leaving his home fetched his rifle. The police arrived...and the homeowner was arrested for brandishing. No judges here, this was simply the police acting of their own accord.
3. It is a matter of fact that the police have stood down in many cities and simply watched as rioters destroyed innocent people’s entire livelihoods. Their defense? They were just following orders. The age old defense of war criminals.
4. Finally, when it comes to gun grabs, you know who actually grabs guns? It’s not the, “libtards” or, “demonrats.” It’s the police. They’re the ones who literally knock on your door over a bogus and unconstitutional red flag seizure and take your gun away. The authoritarians give the marching orders, and the cops? They don’t care about you. They’ll do as they’re told.

Ultimately, I encourage many people on this site to reconsider their support for police. Remember, unless you live in a city which has abolished the 2A, then you are more than capable of keeping yourself safe from danger. It is the cops who serve authoritarian bureaucrats who will deprive you of that capability.

Well said.

Even though what you said was in fact true, in regard to their role and the fact that they are under no obligation to protect anyone, the police are still under a chain of command which directs them to act or not act....They are, in the end, the playthings of state and local politicians.

And obviously spineless enough to forget that they have the ability, and moral obligation to tell their masters, “fuck no, that’s the wrong thing to do, and I’m not gonna do it” when their masters order them to do some unamerican shit like enforce a red flag warrant, or arrest someone for defending their home.

You just sound crazy.

You just sound like you’re engaging in gaslighting.

 

[Billiejeens]

then why did your #1 comment say " they arent there to help us"

cops help millions of people each yr,,,

That many do help people is notwithstanding the fact that they are held completely blameless if they don't help, even when the criminal perps are readily identified and easy to apprehend.

thats a case by case issue and not and overall one,,,

But generally it seems that they only help insofar as they don’t have to stick their necks out. Yeah, sure, it’s nice that they helped an old lady across the street, or got a cat out of the tree. But it’s not...it doesn’t justify the fact that they in many cases enforce wildly unamerican laws and edicts, such as those that I listed in my OP.

You are, or you are not, aware that peace officers do not write or interpret laws?

 

[progressive hunter]

then why did your #1 comment say " they arent there to help us"

cops help millions of people each yr,,,

That many do help people is notwithstanding the fact that they are held completely blameless if they don't help, even when the criminal perps are readily identified and easy to apprehend.

thats a case by case issue and not and overall one,,,

But generally it seems that they only help insofar as they don’t have to stick their necks out. Yeah, sure, it’s nice that they helped an old lady across the street, or got a cat out of the tree. But it’s not...it doesn’t justify the fact that they in many cases enforce wildly unamerican laws and edicts, such as those that I listed in my OP.

see that why I cant have a rational discussion with you,,

you dont make any sense cause I've never seen them do either of those things,,,

might I suggest you restart this thread and stick to single facts and not do a bait and switch,,then we can have a rational discussion

I literally listed several real examples in my OP. Did you even read it?

I didnt get that far because your first comment contradicted your justification,,

iif you want to talk about those things dont start your comment with twisted lies,,,

So you didn’t read them because of something I said that was factual, although you misinterpreted it (which may have slightly been my fault) and decided that it was a lie? Good lord, this is bad faith arguing at its finest.

switching the narrative in your first sentences is the same as lying,,,and is a typical progressive tactic,,,

 

[Pilate]

then why did your #1 comment say " they arent there to help us"

cops help millions of people each yr,,,

That many do help people is notwithstanding the fact that they are held completely blameless if they don't help, even when the criminal perps are readily identified and easy to apprehend.

thats a case by case issue and not and overall one,,,

But generally it seems that they only help insofar as they don’t have to stick their necks out. Yeah, sure, it’s nice that they helped an old lady across the street, or got a cat out of the tree. But it’s not...it doesn’t justify the fact that they in many cases enforce wildly unamerican laws and edicts, such as those that I listed in my OP.

You are, or you are not, aware that peace officers do not write or interpret laws?

Nuremberg defense. I already addressed this TWOCE before.

 

[whitehall]

So far in 2020 about 203 Police Officers have died in the line of duty including 20 women. About 13 K-9 dogs were also killed. Contrast that to the 93 brave heroes who were killed in the U.S. Military during the same period.

 

[Pilate]

then why did your #1 comment say " they arent there to help us"

cops help millions of people each yr,,,

That many do help people is notwithstanding the fact that they are held completely blameless if they don't help, even when the criminal perps are readily identified and easy to apprehend.

thats a case by case issue and not and overall one,,,

But generally it seems that they only help insofar as they don’t have to stick their necks out. Yeah, sure, it’s nice that they helped an old lady across the street, or got a cat out of the tree. But it’s not...it doesn’t justify the fact that they in many cases enforce wildly unamerican laws and edicts, such as those that I listed in my OP.

see that why I cant have a rational discussion with you,,

you dont make any sense cause I've never seen them do either of those things,,,

might I suggest you restart this thread and stick to single facts and not do a bait and switch,,then we can have a rational discussion

I literally listed several real examples in my OP. Did you even read it?

I didnt get that far because your first comment contradicted your justification,,

iif you want to talk about those things dont start your comment with twisted lies,,,

So you didn’t read them because of something I said that was factual, although you misinterpreted it (which may have slightly been my fault) and decided that it was a lie? Good lord, this is bad faith arguing at its finest.

switching the narrative in your first sentences is the same as lying,,,and is a typical progressive tactic,,,

You’re even backpedaling now. “Well, it’s not lying but it’s basically the same as lying!” Go away. You’re just a stupid person, you’re not here to argue in good faith. The objective matter of fact is that the Supreme Court made that ruling, and that it did so based on a factual event that occurred.

 

[progressive hunter]

then why did your #1 comment say " they arent there to help us"

cops help millions of people each yr,,,

That many do help people is notwithstanding the fact that they are held completely blameless if they don't help, even when the criminal perps are readily identified and easy to apprehend.

thats a case by case issue and not and overall one,,,

But generally it seems that they only help insofar as they don’t have to stick their necks out. Yeah, sure, it’s nice that they helped an old lady across the street, or got a cat out of the tree. But it’s not...it doesn’t justify the fact that they in many cases enforce wildly unamerican laws and edicts, such as those that I listed in my OP.

see that why I cant have a rational discussion with you,,

you dont make any sense cause I've never seen them do either of those things,,,

might I suggest you restart this thread and stick to single facts and not do a bait and switch,,then we can have a rational discussion

I literally listed several real examples in my OP. Did you even read it?

I didnt get that far because your first comment contradicted your justification,,

iif you want to talk about those things dont start your comment with twisted lies,,,

So you didn’t read them because of something I said that was factual, although you misinterpreted it (which may have slightly been my fault) and decided that it was a lie? Good lord, this is bad faith arguing at its finest.

switching the narrative in your first sentences is the same as lying,,,and is a typical progressive tactic,,,

You’re even backpedaling now. “Well, it’s not lying but it’s basically the same as lying!” Go away. You’re just a stupid person, you’re not here to argue in good faith. The objective matter of fact is that the Supreme Court made that ruling, and that it did so based on a factual event that occurred.

are you saying theyre wrong???

 

[Pilate]

So far in 2020 about 203 Police Officers have died in the line of duty including 20 women. About 13 K-9 dogs were also killed. Contrast that to the 93 brave heroes who were killed in the U.S. Military during the same period.

More pizza delivery drivers are killed yearly than cops.

then why did your #1 comment say " they arent there to help us"

cops help millions of people each yr,,,

That many do help people is notwithstanding the fact that they are held completely blameless if they don't help, even when the criminal perps are readily identified and easy to apprehend.

thats a case by case issue and not and overall one,,,

But generally it seems that they only help insofar as they don’t have to stick their necks out. Yeah, sure, it’s nice that they helped an old lady across the street, or got a cat out of the tree. But it’s not...it doesn’t justify the fact that they in many cases enforce wildly unamerican laws and edicts, such as those that I listed in my OP.

see that why I cant have a rational discussion with you,,

you dont make any sense cause I've never seen them do either of those things,,,

might I suggest you restart this thread and stick to single facts and not do a bait and switch,,then we can have a rational discussion

I literally listed several real examples in my OP. Did you even read it?

I didnt get that far because your first comment contradicted your justification,,

iif you want to talk about those things dont start your comment with twisted lies,,,

So you didn’t read them because of something I said that was factual, although you misinterpreted it (which may have slightly been my fault) and decided that it was a lie? Good lord, this is bad faith arguing at its finest.

switching the narrative in your first sentences is the same as lying,,,and is a typical progressive tactic,,,

You’re even backpedaling now. “Well, it’s not lying but it’s basically the same as lying!” Go away. You’re just a stupid person, you’re not here to argue in good faith. The objective matter of fact is that the Supreme Court made that ruling, and that it did so based on a factual event that occurred.

are you saying theyre wrong???

The Supreme Court ruling, you mean? Or the Police’s actions?

 

[progressive hunter]

So far in 2020 about 203 Police Officers have died in the line of duty including 20 women. About 13 K-9 dogs were also killed. Contrast that to the 93 brave heroes who were killed in the U.S. Military during the same period.

More pizza delivery drivers are killed yearly than cops.

then why did your #1 comment say " they arent there to help us"

cops help millions of people each yr,,,

That many do help people is notwithstanding the fact that they are held completely blameless if they don't help, even when the criminal perps are readily identified and easy to apprehend.

thats a case by case issue and not and overall one,,,

But generally it seems that they only help insofar as they don’t have to stick their necks out. Yeah, sure, it’s nice that they helped an old lady across the street, or got a cat out of the tree. But it’s not...it doesn’t justify the fact that they in many cases enforce wildly unamerican laws and edicts, such as those that I listed in my OP.

see that why I cant have a rational discussion with you,,

you dont make any sense cause I've never seen them do either of those things,,,

might I suggest you restart this thread and stick to single facts and not do a bait and switch,,then we can have a rational discussion

I literally listed several real examples in my OP. Did you even read it?

I didnt get that far because your first comment contradicted your justification,,

iif you want to talk about those things dont start your comment with twisted lies,,,

So you didn’t read them because of something I said that was factual, although you misinterpreted it (which may have slightly been my fault) and decided that it was a lie? Good lord, this is bad faith arguing at its finest.

switching the narrative in your first sentences is the same as lying,,,and is a typical progressive tactic,,,

You’re even backpedaling now. “Well, it’s not lying but it’s basically the same as lying!” Go away. You’re just a stupid person, you’re not here to argue in good faith. The objective matter of fact is that the Supreme Court made that ruling, and that it did so based on a factual event that occurred.

are you saying theyre wrong???

The Supreme Court ruling, you mean? Or the Police’s actions?

SCOTUS,,,

you need specifics for police actions,,,

 

[Pilate]

So far in 2020 about 203 Police Officers have died in the line of duty including 20 women. About 13 K-9 dogs were also killed. Contrast that to the 93 brave heroes who were killed in the U.S. Military during the same period.

More pizza delivery drivers are killed yearly than cops.

then why did your #1 comment say " they arent there to help us"

cops help millions of people each yr,,,

That many do help people is notwithstanding the fact that they are held completely blameless if they don't help, even when the criminal perps are readily identified and easy to apprehend.

thats a case by case issue and not and overall one,,,

But generally it seems that they only help insofar as they don’t have to stick their necks out. Yeah, sure, it’s nice that they helped an old lady across the street, or got a cat out of the tree. But it’s not...it doesn’t justify the fact that they in many cases enforce wildly unamerican laws and edicts, such as those that I listed in my OP.

see that why I cant have a rational discussion with you,,

you dont make any sense cause I've never seen them do either of those things,,,

might I suggest you restart this thread and stick to single facts and not do a bait and switch,,then we can have a rational discussion

I literally listed several real examples in my OP. Did you even read it?

I didnt get that far because your first comment contradicted your justification,,

iif you want to talk about those things dont start your comment with twisted lies,,,

So you didn’t read them because of something I said that was factual, although you misinterpreted it (which may have slightly been my fault) and decided that it was a lie? Good lord, this is bad faith arguing at its finest.

switching the narrative in your first sentences is the same as lying,,,and is a typical progressive tactic,,,

You’re even backpedaling now. “Well, it’s not lying but it’s basically the same as lying!” Go away. You’re just a stupid person, you’re not here to argue in good faith. The objective matter of fact is that the Supreme Court made that ruling, and that it did so based on a factual event that occurred.

are you saying theyre wrong???

The Supreme Court ruling, you mean? Or the Police’s actions?

SCOTUS,,,

you need specifics for police actions,,,

I disagree with the ruling as a matter of principle. I think the police, in a righteous world, should protect people who are in danger. Not only from the typical criminal, but from the bureaucrat who would seek to deprive the common man of his rights.

 

[Moonglow]

I’d like to challenge the idea that many right wingers have that motivate them to support the police. I myself used to be a right winger, now I don’t really feel like I fit in on any political compass. I’d like to show that...
1. The police are not there to help you.
2. The police will harm you.

Starting with the first, there are numerous Supreme Court rulings all of which have stated that the police do not have an obligation to protect you if you’re in danger. And secondly, consider the following cases:
1. In 1999, after local law enforcement failed to catch a burglar who had burglarized the same home several times, the homeowner set a shotgun trap which wounded the thief, resulting in him being caught. The homeowner was promptly jailed for 6 months and fined $10,000. Yes, the judge was obviously culpable in this case, but the judge himself doesn’t do the legwork. It’s the cops.
2. After a mob formed outside his home, shouting at the homeowner in question over a yard sign and blasting loud music, the homeowner, without leaving his home fetched his rifle. The police arrived...and the homeowner was arrested for brandishing. No judges here, this was simply the police acting of their own accord.
3. It is a matter of fact that the police have stood down in many cities and simply watched as rioters destroyed innocent people’s entire livelihoods. Their defense? They were just following orders. The age old defense of war criminals.
4. Finally, when it comes to gun grabs, you know who actually grabs guns? It’s not the, “libtards” or, “demonrats.” It’s the police. They’re the ones who literally knock on your door over a bogus and unconstitutional red flag seizure and take your gun away. The authoritarians give the marching orders, and the cops? They don’t care about you. They’ll do as they’re told.

Ultimately, I encourage many people on this site to reconsider their support for police. Remember, unless you live in a city which has abolished the 2A, then you are more than capable of keeping yourself safe from danger. It is the cops who serve authoritarian bureaucrats who will deprive you of that capability.

Support of the police is not a political paradigm of a strategy because it is a homogeneous organization which it's paradigm is one of a local concern and organization tactic of one style of policing.
It is easy to say that the right support police forces but only when they conform to their idea of the tactic used for policing, whereas the left is confined to the same sentiment of operations. Right now a small minority is being anti-police for a political class war, it has nothing to do with completely eliminating policing just reorganizing and redirecting.

 

[progressive hunter]

So far in 2020 about 203 Police Officers have died in the line of duty including 20 women. About 13 K-9 dogs were also killed. Contrast that to the 93 brave heroes who were killed in the U.S. Military during the same period.

More pizza delivery drivers are killed yearly than cops.

then why did your #1 comment say " they arent there to help us"

cops help millions of people each yr,,,

That many do help people is notwithstanding the fact that they are held completely blameless if they don't help, even when the criminal perps are readily identified and easy to apprehend.

thats a case by case issue and not and overall one,,,

But generally it seems that they only help insofar as they don’t have to stick their necks out. Yeah, sure, it’s nice that they helped an old lady across the street, or got a cat out of the tree. But it’s not...it doesn’t justify the fact that they in many cases enforce wildly unamerican laws and edicts, such as those that I listed in my OP.

see that why I cant have a rational discussion with you,,

you dont make any sense cause I've never seen them do either of those things,,,

might I suggest you restart this thread and stick to single facts and not do a bait and switch,,then we can have a rational discussion

I literally listed several real examples in my OP. Did you even read it?

I didnt get that far because your first comment contradicted your justification,,

iif you want to talk about those things dont start your comment with twisted lies,,,

So you didn’t read them because of something I said that was factual, although you misinterpreted it (which may have slightly been my fault) and decided that it was a lie? Good lord, this is bad faith arguing at its finest.

switching the narrative in your first sentences is the same as lying,,,and is a typical progressive tactic,,,

You’re even backpedaling now. “Well, it’s not lying but it’s basically the same as lying!” Go away. You’re just a stupid person, you’re not here to argue in good faith. The objective matter of fact is that the Supreme Court made that ruling, and that it did so based on a factual event that occurred.

are you saying theyre wrong???

The Supreme Court ruling, you mean? Or the Police’s actions?

SCOTUS,,,

you need specifics for police actions,,,

I disagree with the ruling as a matter of principle. I think the police, in a righteous world, should protect people who are in danger. Not only from the typical criminal, but from the bureaucrat who would seek to deprive the common man of his rights.

that would first require people not voting for dems or repubes,,cause they are doing the will of the people,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

So far in 2020 about 203 Police Officers have died in the line of duty including 20 women. About 13 K-9 dogs were also killed. Contrast that to the 93 brave heroes who were killed in the U.S. Military during the same period.

More pizza delivery drivers are killed yearly than cops.

then why did your #1 comment say " they arent there to help us"

cops help millions of people each yr,,,

That many do help people is notwithstanding the fact that they are held completely blameless if they don't help, even when the criminal perps are readily identified and easy to apprehend.

thats a case by case issue and not and overall one,,,

But generally it seems that they only help insofar as they don’t have to stick their necks out. Yeah, sure, it’s nice that they helped an old lady across the street, or got a cat out of the tree. But it’s not...it doesn’t justify the fact that they in many cases enforce wildly unamerican laws and edicts, such as those that I listed in my OP.

see that why I cant have a rational discussion with you,,

you dont make any sense cause I've never seen them do either of those things,,,

might I suggest you restart this thread and stick to single facts and not do a bait and switch,,then we can have a rational discussion

I literally listed several real examples in my OP. Did you even read it?

I didnt get that far because your first comment contradicted your justification,,

iif you want to talk about those things dont start your comment with twisted lies,,,

So you didn’t read them because of something I said that was factual, although you misinterpreted it (which may have slightly been my fault) and decided that it was a lie? Good lord, this is bad faith arguing at its finest.

switching the narrative in your first sentences is the same as lying,,,and is a typical progressive tactic,,,

You’re even backpedaling now. “Well, it’s not lying but it’s basically the same as lying!” Go away. You’re just a stupid person, you’re not here to argue in good faith. The objective matter of fact is that the Supreme Court made that ruling, and that it did so based on a factual event that occurred.

are you saying theyre wrong???

The Supreme Court ruling, you mean? Or the Police’s actions?

SCOTUS,,,

you need specifics for police actions,,,

I disagree with the ruling as a matter of principle. I think the police, in a righteous world, should protect people who are in danger. Not only from the typical criminal, but from the bureaucrat who would seek to deprive the common man of his rights.

the princilple is if you expect others to protect you youre already dead,,,

 

[Moonglow]

So far in 2020 about 203 Police Officers have died in the line of duty including 20 women. About 13 K-9 dogs were also killed. Contrast that to the 93 brave heroes who were killed in the U.S. Military during the same period.

More pizza delivery drivers are killed yearly than cops.

then why did your #1 comment say " they arent there to help us"

cops help millions of people each yr,,,

That many do help people is notwithstanding the fact that they are held completely blameless if they don't help, even when the criminal perps are readily identified and easy to apprehend.

thats a case by case issue and not and overall one,,,

But generally it seems that they only help insofar as they don’t have to stick their necks out. Yeah, sure, it’s nice that they helped an old lady across the street, or got a cat out of the tree. But it’s not...it doesn’t justify the fact that they in many cases enforce wildly unamerican laws and edicts, such as those that I listed in my OP.

see that why I cant have a rational discussion with you,,

you dont make any sense cause I've never seen them do either of those things,,,

might I suggest you restart this thread and stick to single facts and not do a bait and switch,,then we can have a rational discussion

I literally listed several real examples in my OP. Did you even read it?

I didnt get that far because your first comment contradicted your justification,,

iif you want to talk about those things dont start your comment with twisted lies,,,

So you didn’t read them because of something I said that was factual, although you misinterpreted it (which may have slightly been my fault) and decided that it was a lie? Good lord, this is bad faith arguing at its finest.

switching the narrative in your first sentences is the same as lying,,,and is a typical progressive tactic,,,

You’re even backpedaling now. “Well, it’s not lying but it’s basically the same as lying!” Go away. You’re just a stupid person, you’re not here to argue in good faith. The objective matter of fact is that the Supreme Court made that ruling, and that it did so based on a factual event that occurred.

are you saying theyre wrong???

The Supreme Court ruling, you mean? Or the Police’s actions?

SCOTUS,,,

you need specifics for police actions,,,

I disagree with the ruling as a matter of principle. I think the police, in a righteous world, should protect people who are in danger. Not only from the typical criminal, but from the bureaucrat who would seek to deprive the common man of his rights.

The majority of the police forces are tactical units of operation in which they are proactive units of troops yet the political spectrum they are either subservant or unattached so it is not a unified employment of tactics all over the US with every unit of police.

 

[Pilate]

I’d like to challenge the idea that many right wingers have that motivate them to support the police. I myself used to be a right winger, now I don’t really feel like I fit in on any political compass. I’d like to show that...
1. The police are not there to help you.
2. The police will harm you.

Starting with the first, there are numerous Supreme Court rulings all of which have stated that the police do not have an obligation to protect you if you’re in danger. And secondly, consider the following cases:
1. In 1999, after local law enforcement failed to catch a burglar who had burglarized the same home several times, the homeowner set a shotgun trap which wounded the thief, resulting in him being caught. The homeowner was promptly jailed for 6 months and fined $10,000. Yes, the judge was obviously culpable in this case, but the judge himself doesn’t do the legwork. It’s the cops.
2. After a mob formed outside his home, shouting at the homeowner in question over a yard sign and blasting loud music, the homeowner, without leaving his home fetched his rifle. The police arrived...and the homeowner was arrested for brandishing. No judges here, this was simply the police acting of their own accord.
3. It is a matter of fact that the police have stood down in many cities and simply watched as rioters destroyed innocent people’s entire livelihoods. Their defense? They were just following orders. The age old defense of war criminals.
4. Finally, when it comes to gun grabs, you know who actually grabs guns? It’s not the, “libtards” or, “demonrats.” It’s the police. They’re the ones who literally knock on your door over a bogus and unconstitutional red flag seizure and take your gun away. The authoritarians give the marching orders, and the cops? They don’t care about you. They’ll do as they’re told.

Ultimately, I encourage many people on this site to reconsider their support for police. Remember, unless you live in a city which has abolished the 2A, then you are more than capable of keeping yourself safe from danger. It is the cops who serve authoritarian bureaucrats who will deprive you of that capability.

Support of the police is not a political paradigm of a strategy because it is a homogeneous organization which it's paradigm is one of a local concern and organization tactic of one style of policing.
It is easy to say that the right support police forces but only when they conform to their idea of the tactic used for policing, whereas the left is confined to the same sentiment of operations. Right now a small minority is being anti-police for a political class war, it has nothing to do with completely eliminating policing just reorganizing and redirecting.

Thanks for the reply. I agree that support and opposition to police isn’t necessarily limited to one party or the other HOWEVER, many on the right are more supportive of police in spite of the fact that the police are often not supportive of (typically considered) right wing values such as self defense and gun ownership.

 

[Moonglow]

Just remember that the cops were created and used to protect the wealthy class in their original intent.

 

[Moonglow]

I’d like to challenge the idea that many right wingers have that motivate them to support the police. I myself used to be a right winger, now I don’t really feel like I fit in on any political compass. I’d like to show that...
1. The police are not there to help you.
2. The police will harm you.

Starting with the first, there are numerous Supreme Court rulings all of which have stated that the police do not have an obligation to protect you if you’re in danger. And secondly, consider the following cases:
1. In 1999, after local law enforcement failed to catch a burglar who had burglarized the same home several times, the homeowner set a shotgun trap which wounded the thief, resulting in him being caught. The homeowner was promptly jailed for 6 months and fined $10,000. Yes, the judge was obviously culpable in this case, but the judge himself doesn’t do the legwork. It’s the cops.
2. After a mob formed outside his home, shouting at the homeowner in question over a yard sign and blasting loud music, the homeowner, without leaving his home fetched his rifle. The police arrived...and the homeowner was arrested for brandishing. No judges here, this was simply the police acting of their own accord.
3. It is a matter of fact that the police have stood down in many cities and simply watched as rioters destroyed innocent people’s entire livelihoods. Their defense? They were just following orders. The age old defense of war criminals.
4. Finally, when it comes to gun grabs, you know who actually grabs guns? It’s not the, “libtards” or, “demonrats.” It’s the police. They’re the ones who literally knock on your door over a bogus and unconstitutional red flag seizure and take your gun away. The authoritarians give the marching orders, and the cops? They don’t care about you. They’ll do as they’re told.

Ultimately, I encourage many people on this site to reconsider their support for police. Remember, unless you live in a city which has abolished the 2A, then you are more than capable of keeping yourself safe from danger. It is the cops who serve authoritarian bureaucrats who will deprive you of that capability.

Support of the police is not a political paradigm of a strategy because it is a homogeneous organization which it's paradigm is one of a local concern and organization tactic of one style of policing.
It is easy to say that the right support police forces but only when they conform to their idea of the tactic used for policing, whereas the left is confined to the same sentiment of operations. Right now a small minority is being anti-police for a political class war, it has nothing to do with completely eliminating policing just reorganizing and redirecting.

Thanks for the reply. I agree that support and opposition to police isn’t necessarily limited to one party or the other HOWEVER, many on the right are more supportive of police in spite of the fact that the police are often not supportive of (typically considered) right wing values such as self defense and gun ownership.

Yes indeed the cops want subservancy by the populace they are the great deniers of liberty of a society which is why we have a back and forth relationship with them over authority. When the feds got involved at the local level then more control was extended to operations of police forces.

 

[Pilate]

So far in 2020 about 203 Police Officers have died in the line of duty including 20 women. About 13 K-9 dogs were also killed. Contrast that to the 93 brave heroes who were killed in the U.S. Military during the same period.

More pizza delivery drivers are killed yearly than cops.

then why did your #1 comment say " they arent there to help us"

cops help millions of people each yr,,,

That many do help people is notwithstanding the fact that they are held completely blameless if they don't help, even when the criminal perps are readily identified and easy to apprehend.

thats a case by case issue and not and overall one,,,

But generally it seems that they only help insofar as they don’t have to stick their necks out. Yeah, sure, it’s nice that they helped an old lady across the street, or got a cat out of the tree. But it’s not...it doesn’t justify the fact that they in many cases enforce wildly unamerican laws and edicts, such as those that I listed in my OP.

see that why I cant have a rational discussion with you,,

you dont make any sense cause I've never seen them do either of those things,,,

might I suggest you restart this thread and stick to single facts and not do a bait and switch,,then we can have a rational discussion

I literally listed several real examples in my OP. Did you even read it?

I didnt get that far because your first comment contradicted your justification,,

iif you want to talk about those things dont start your comment with twisted lies,,,

So you didn’t read them because of something I said that was factual, although you misinterpreted it (which may have slightly been my fault) and decided that it was a lie? Good lord, this is bad faith arguing at its finest.

switching the narrative in your first sentences is the same as lying,,,and is a typical progressive tactic,,,

You’re even backpedaling now. “Well, it’s not lying but it’s basically the same as lying!” Go away. You’re just a stupid person, you’re not here to argue in good faith. The objective matter of fact is that the Supreme Court made that ruling, and that it did so based on a factual event that occurred.

are you saying theyre wrong???

The Supreme Court ruling, you mean? Or the Police’s actions?

SCOTUS,,,

you need specifics for police actions,,,

I disagree with the ruling as a matter of principle. I think the police, in a righteous world, should protect people who are in danger. Not only from the typical criminal, but from the bureaucrat who would seek to deprive the common man of his rights.

that would first require people not voting for dems or repubes,,cause they are doing the will of the people,,,

I can agree with that. Regrettably, people have developed an almost fanatical loyalty to these organizations.

So far in 2020 about 203 Police Officers have died in the line of duty including 20 women. About 13 K-9 dogs were also killed. Contrast that to the 93 brave heroes who were killed in the U.S. Military during the same period.

More pizza delivery drivers are killed yearly than cops.

then why did your #1 comment say " they arent there to help us"

cops help millions of people each yr,,,

That many do help people is notwithstanding the fact that they are held completely blameless if they don't help, even when the criminal perps are readily identified and easy to apprehend.

thats a case by case issue and not and overall one,,,

But generally it seems that they only help insofar as they don’t have to stick their necks out. Yeah, sure, it’s nice that they helped an old lady across the street, or got a cat out of the tree. But it’s not...it doesn’t justify the fact that they in many cases enforce wildly unamerican laws and edicts, such as those that I listed in my OP.

see that why I cant have a rational discussion with you,,

you dont make any sense cause I've never seen them do either of those things,,,

might I suggest you restart this thread and stick to single facts and not do a bait and switch,,then we can have a rational discussion

I literally listed several real examples in my OP. Did you even read it?

I didnt get that far because your first comment contradicted your justification,,

iif you want to talk about those things dont start your comment with twisted lies,,,

So you didn’t read them because of something I said that was factual, although you misinterpreted it (which may have slightly been my fault) and decided that it was a lie? Good lord, this is bad faith arguing at its finest.

switching the narrative in your first sentences is the same as lying,,,and is a typical progressive tactic,,,

You’re even backpedaling now. “Well, it’s not lying but it’s basically the same as lying!” Go away. You’re just a stupid person, you’re not here to argue in good faith. The objective matter of fact is that the Supreme Court made that ruling, and that it did so based on a factual event that occurred.

are you saying theyre wrong???

The Supreme Court ruling, you mean? Or the Police’s actions?

SCOTUS,,,

you need specifics for police actions,,,

I disagree with the ruling as a matter of principle. I think the police, in a righteous world, should protect people who are in danger. Not only from the typical criminal, but from the bureaucrat who would seek to deprive the common man of his rights.

the princilple is if you expect others to protect you youre already dead,,,

Sure, but then do I really need the police at all, then? Nevermind that in self defense cases, guess what? The police take your gun away as, “evidence.” Many gun owners report never seeing their firearm again.

 

[whitehall]

So far in 2020 about 203 Police Officers have died in the line of duty including 20 women. About 13 K-9 dogs were also killed. Contrast that to the 93 brave heroes who were killed in the U.S. Military during the same period.

More pizza delivery drivers are killed yearly than cops.

then why did your #1 comment say " they arent there to help us"

cops help millions of people each yr,,,

That many do help people is notwithstanding the fact that they are held completely blameless if they don't help, even when the criminal perps are readily identified and easy to apprehend.

thats a case by case issue and not and overall one,,,

But generally it seems that they only help insofar as they don’t have to stick their necks out. Yeah, sure, it’s nice that they helped an old lady across the street, or got a cat out of the tree. But it’s not...it doesn’t justify the fact that they in many cases enforce wildly unamerican laws and edicts, such as those that I listed in my OP.

see that why I cant have a rational discussion with you,,

you dont make any sense cause I've never seen them do either of those things,,,

might I suggest you restart this thread and stick to single facts and not do a bait and switch,,then we can have a rational discussion

I literally listed several real examples in my OP. Did you even read it?

I didnt get that far because your first comment contradicted your justification,,

iif you want to talk about those things dont start your comment with twisted lies,,,

So you didn’t read them because of something I said that was factual, although you misinterpreted it (which may have slightly been my fault) and decided that it was a lie? Good lord, this is bad faith arguing at its finest.

switching the narrative in your first sentences is the same as lying,,,and is a typical progressive tactic,,,

You’re even backpedaling now. “Well, it’s not lying but it’s basically the same as lying!” Go away. You’re just a stupid person, you’re not here to argue in good faith. The objective matter of fact is that the Supreme Court made that ruling, and that it did so based on a factual event that occurred.

are you saying theyre wrong???

The Supreme Court ruling, you mean? Or the Police’s actions?

More pizza delivery drivers are killed than members of the Military. Does that diminish the respect for the Military? Police Officers die to insure your 1st Amendment Constitutional right to compare them to pizza delivery drivers.

 

[kaz]

I’d like to challenge the idea that many right wingers have that motivate them to support the police. I myself used to be a right winger, now I don’t really feel like I fit in on any political compass. I’d like to show that...
1. The police are not there to help you.
2. The police will harm you.

Starting with the first, there are numerous Supreme Court rulings all of which have stated that the police do not have an obligation to protect you if you’re in danger. And secondly, consider the following cases:
1. In 1999, after local law enforcement failed to catch a burglar who had burglarized the same home several times, the homeowner set a shotgun trap which wounded the thief, resulting in him being caught. The homeowner was promptly jailed for 6 months and fined $10,000. Yes, the judge was obviously culpable in this case, but the judge himself doesn’t do the legwork. It’s the cops.
2. After a mob formed outside his home, shouting at the homeowner in question over a yard sign and blasting loud music, the homeowner, without leaving his home fetched his rifle. The police arrived...and the homeowner was arrested for brandishing. No judges here, this was simply the police acting of their own accord.
3. It is a matter of fact that the police have stood down in many cities and simply watched as rioters destroyed innocent people’s entire livelihoods. Their defense? They were just following orders. The age old defense of war criminals.
4. Finally, when it comes to gun grabs, you know who actually grabs guns? It’s not the, “libtards” or, “demonrats.” It’s the police. They’re the ones who literally knock on your door over a bogus and unconstitutional red flag seizure and take your gun away. The authoritarians give the marching orders, and the cops? They don’t care about you. They’ll do as they’re told.

Ultimately, I encourage many people on this site to reconsider their support for police. Remember, unless you live in a city which has abolished the 2A, then you are more than capable of keeping yourself safe from danger. It is the cops who serve authoritarian bureaucrats who will deprive you of that capability.

You failed to list the cities and the party in charge of the police where those incidents took place.

They’re democratic cities, obviously. But I actually addressed that line of argument. Saying you didn’t protect people’s livelihoods because you were just following orders is a Nuremberg defense.

But your thread is telling people on the right not to support the police. What is the relevance then of telling us that using anecdotes in blue cities?