Right vs. Left is Logic vs. Emotion

[P@triot]

Care to pinto to a successful CONservative nation EVER cupcake?

Absolutely! The United States of America. It went from a fledgling nation to the world's ultimate superpower under pure, unadulterated conservatism. There was no socialized medicine. There were no labor laws. There was no minimum wage.

It was pure liberty, pure free market capitalism and it took a nation without currency and turned it into the most elite superpower the planet has ever known.

 

[P@triot]

Yes we know Detroits big three was run by the Dems and unions *shaking head*

It was. The unions sure as hell weren't run by conservatives, snowflake. The Big 3 were controlled and run by greedy, ignorant, left-wing unions which ultimately caused collapse and forced them to go running to Congress to save them. That's what left-wing policy does. It causes collapse.

 

[JonKoch]

True cupcake, and we ALL know Detroit was an island of itself not effected by national things like Reaganomics that gave tax cuts WHILE allowing the "job creators" to offshore and ended the highly protective tariffs and UNION RIGHTS?

Your irrational, emotional reactions to facts continue to prove the premise of this thread. Detroit was the ultimate progressive utopia. It had a Dumbocrat mayor for 65 straight years. It had a Dumbocrat-controlled city council for 65 straight years. It had the most powerful union in the world (the UAW).

The result? Bankruptcy. Today, Detroit is a third-world shit-hole of dilapidated buildings, rampant crime, and extreme poverty. Just like Cuba. Just like the former U.S.S.R. (which ultimately had to turn to conservative free market capitalism to rebuild). Just like Cambodia. Just like Vietnam. Just like Greece.

Game over, snowflake.

 

[JonKoch]

Care to pinto to a successful CONservative nation EVER cupcake?

Absolutely! The United States of America. It went from a fledgling nation to the world's ultimate superpower under pure, unadulterated conservatism. There was no socialized medicine. There were no labor laws. There was no minimum wage.

It was pure liberty, pure free market capitalism and it took a nation without currency and turned it into the most elite superpower the planet has ever known.

Got it cupcake you don't know the Founders went with the STRONG FEDERAL US CONSTITUTION AND GOT RID OF THE "STATES RIGHT" ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION THING. Don't know history of the US economy either huh Cupcake?

(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics

When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.

Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics.

It consisted of these three core policies:

1. protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)
2. government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)
3. a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation

It is a capitalist economic school based on the Hamiltonian economic program. The American School of capitalism was intended to allow the United States to become economically independent and nationally self-sufficient.


Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders.

The goal, most forcefully articulated by Hamilton, was to ensure that dearly won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe. The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce, was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny.
American School (economics) - Wikipedia



Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States


When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country’s founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

 

[P@triot]

Oh look....another left-wing propaganda meme. Snowflake, Ronald Reagan was handed the second worst economy in U.S. history (second only to the Great Depression) and created one of the greatest economies in U.S. history.

But there were 4 presidents and many different Congresses between his last year in office (1988) and 2017, snowflake. Oops....

 

[JonKoch]

Yes we know Detroits big three was run by the Dems and unions *shaking head*

It was. The unions sure as hell weren't run by conservatives, snowflake. The Big 3 were controlled and run by greedy, ignorant, left-wing unions which ultimately caused collapse and forced them to go running to Congress to save them. That's what left-wing policy does. It causes collapse.

Oh sorry I was under the impression that CAPITAL ran those big 3 Corps and they chased quarter to quarter returns to chase PROFIT versus long term investing?

Who Killed the American Auto Industry? Not Unions!

 

[P@triot]

Got it cupcake you don't know the Founders went with the STRONG FEDERAL US CONSTITUTION AND GOT RID OF THE "STATES RIGHT" ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION THING.

A look....more left-wing propaganda. A "strong federal" government, uh? A whopping 18 total responsibilities!

Don't know history of the US economy either huh Cupcake?

We know snowflake. It's painfully obvious that you don't have a clue about U.S. history. You buy into the propaganda you were trained to buy into.

 

[P@triot]

A look...another inaccurate meme created by some left-wing looking to dupe left-wing minion like Jon here.

 

[JonKoch]

Oh look....another left-wing propaganda meme. Snowflake, Ronald Reagan was handed the second worst economy in U.S. history (second only to the Great Depression) and created one of the greatest economies in U.S. history.

But there were 4 presidents and many different Congresses between his last year in office (1988) and 2017, snowflake. Oops....

Sure he was Cupcake, sure

Carter only had 9+ million PRIVATE SECTOR jobs created in his 4 years to Ronnie's 14 million in 8 years. Unemployment shot up to 10.8% AFTER Ronnie gutted taxes on the rich, the opposite of his promise AS he QUADRUPLED Carter's deficits. It took Ronnie 28 months to get unemployment below 8% Cupcake



Greatest economies huh? I guess taking the 19.4% of GDP in revenues handed to you and spending at 20% of GDP and blowing up spending to 22%+ of GDP AS you GUT tax revenues to 17% is "great" right Cupcake?

BTW, IT WAS CLINTON'S ECONOMY THAT ADDED 22+ MILLION JOBS IN 8 YEARS, HAD 4 BUDGET SURPLUSES (3 AFTER VETOING THE GOP'S $792+ BILLION TAX CUT) THAT IS CONSIDERED "GREATEST" SINCE FDR'S ECONOMY CUPCAKE

"My colleagues and I have been very appreciative of your [President Clinton's] support of the Fed over the years, and your commitment to fiscal discipline has been instrumental in achieving what in a few weeks will be the longest economic expansion in the nation's history."
— Alan Greenspan, Federal Reserve Board Chairman, January 4, 2000, with President Clinton at Chairman Greenspan's re-nomination announcement

"The deficit has come down, and I give the Clinton Administration and President Clinton himself a lot of credit for that. [He] did something about it, fast. And I think we are seeing some benefits."
— Paul Volcker, Federal Reserve Board Chairman (1979-1987), in Audacity, Fall 1994

One of the reasons Goldman Sachs cites for the "best economy ever" is that "on the policy side, trade, fiscal, and monetary policies have been excellent, working in ways that have facilitated growth without inflation. The Clinton Administration has worked to liberalize trade and has used any revenue windfalls to reduce the federal budget deficit."
— Goldman Sachs, March 1998

"Clinton's 1993 budget cuts, which reduced projected red ink by more than $400 billion over five years, sparked a major drop in interest rates that helped boost investment in all the equipment and systems that brought forth the New Age economy of technological innovation and rising productivity."
— Business Week, May 19, 1997

 

[JonKoch]

Got it cupcake you don't know the Founders went with the STRONG FEDERAL US CONSTITUTION AND GOT RID OF THE "STATES RIGHT" ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION THING.

A look....more left-wing propaganda. A "strong federal" government, uh? A whopping 18 total responsibilities!

Don't know history of the US economy either huh Cupcake?

We know snowflake. It's painfully obvious that you don't have a clue about U.S. history. You buy into the propaganda you were trained to buy into.

Good thing ONE was general welfare right Cupcake

 

[JonKoch]

Oh look....another left-wing propaganda meme. Snowflake, Ronald Reagan was handed the second worst economy in U.S. history (second only to the Great Depression) and created one of the greatest economies in U.S. history.

But there were 4 presidents and many different Congresses between his last year in office (1988) and 2017, snowflake. Oops....

BTW, the guy handed the second worst economy after the GOP's first great depression was Obama cupcake, US economy was tanking 9% the last quarter and losing 700,000+ jobs a month

The US economy lost $16 trillion wealth
Lost 7 million jobs
Had 10 million homes foreclosed
AND millions more under water

AFTER 8 YEARS OF DUBYA/GOP "JOB CREATOR" POLICIES CUPCAKE

 

[RealDave]

1) Higher levels of CO2 are driving climate change, so lets go back to coal.

"Global Warming" doesn't exist, snowflake. Science has proven as much. So has history. It's why your left-wing masters were forced to rebrand it to "Climate Change". If only you dimwitted left-wing minions were bright enough to recognize this is proof that you were duped.

Climate Change deniers => dumber than shit.

Science has not proved it does not exist. You are a lying stupid person who would condemn his future generations to a more difficult life because he loves hos political party more than his family.

It was called Global Warming. Global Warming is a type of Climate Change. When it was called Global Warming, you asshats had a freaking fit every day it was cold.

No you are the retard who played hooky in the 2nd grade to eat lead paint and missed the subject when they were talking about ice age and stuff..news flash the climate always changes..


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That's true. But fish haven't always been loaded with mercury... pollution is certainly real,try to breath in China.

Stop with the silly nonsence, climate change does not have anything to do with pollution.

The pollution when we soew greenhouse gases?

 

[RealDave]

Air pollution and climate change are closely related. The main sources of CO2 emissions – the extraction and burning of fossil fuels – are not only key drivers of climate change, but also major sources of air pollutants. Furthermore, many air pollutants that are harmful to human health and ecosystems also contribute to climate change by affecting the amount of incoming sunlight that is reflected or absorbed by the atmosphere, with some pollutants warming and others cooling the Earth. These so-called short-lived climate-forcing pollutants (SLCPs) include methane, black carbon, ground-level ozone, and sulfate aerosols. They have significant impacts on the climate; black carbon and methane in particular are among the top contributors to global warming after CO2.

Air Pollution and Climate Change | IASS Potsdam

What about volcanoes?

OMG not the stupid volcano argument.,

Volcanoes are part of the existing climate as they have always been

 

[P@triot]

BTW, the guy handed the second worst economy after the GOP's first great depression was Obama cupcake, US economy was tanking 9% the last quarter and losing 700,000+ jobs a month

You continue to illustrate your complete and total lack of knowledge about U.S. history. The Jimmy Carter economy was considerably worse than the end of the George W. Bush economy. You clearly too young and stupid to know it.

There was no energy crisis at the end of the Bush economy. During the Carter Administration, there was a massive gas shortage across the nation. When a station would finally receive a shipment of gas, people would wait in line for hours trying to get a tank.

At the end of the Bush economy, there was no inflation issue. The Carter Administration gave us unimaginable inflation.

At the end of the Bush economy, there was no interest rate issue. The Carter Administration handed the American people interests rates over 18%. Yes - over 18%.

You should really graduate from high school before commenting on history.

 

[RealDave]

Air pollution and climate change are closely related. The main sources of CO2 emissions – the extraction and burning of fossil fuels – are not only key drivers of climate change, but also major sources of air pollutants. Furthermore, many air pollutants that are harmful to human health and ecosystems also contribute to climate change by affecting the amount of incoming sunlight that is reflected or absorbed by the atmosphere, with some pollutants warming and others cooling the Earth. These so-called short-lived climate-forcing pollutants (SLCPs) include methane, black carbon, ground-level ozone, and sulfate aerosols. They have significant impacts on the climate; black carbon and methane in particular are among the top contributors to global warming after CO2.

Air Pollution and Climate Change | IASS Potsdam

You miss this part? We are taking C02


These so-called short-lived climate-forcing pollutants (SLCPs) include methane, black carbon, ground-level ozone, and sulfate aerosols
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Causes of pollution and what climate change people want to limit are the same.

No this is all about C02, the world had 5 times as much C02 in the air in the past and well you know , dinosaurs were HUGE.


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Here we ho again from the feeble minded: ":But CO2 has been higher in the past"

What was the climate then? What were the ocean levels. Temps?

 

[RealDave]

BTW, the guy handed the second worst economy after the GOP's first great depression was Obama cupcake, US economy was tanking 9% the last quarter and losing 700,000+ jobs a month

You continue to illustrate your complete and total lack of knowledge about U.S. history. The Jimmy Carter economy was considerably worse than the end of the George W. Bush economy. You clearly too young and stupid to know it.

There was no energy crisis at the end of the Bush economy. During the Carter Administration, there was a massive gas shortage across the nation. When a station would finally receive a shipment of gas, people would wait in line for hours trying to get a tank.

At the end of the Bush economy, there was no inflation issue. The Carter Administration gave us unimaginable inflation.

At the end of the Bush economy, there was no interest rate issue. The Carter Administration handed the American people interests rates over 18%. Yes - over 18%.

You should really graduate from high school before commenting on history.

You should take your own advice.
The Bush recession was the worst in 80 years. Housing collapse, Massive debt. two quagmire wars.

 

[RealDave]

Air pollution and climate change are closely related. The main sources of CO2 emissions – the extraction and burning of fossil fuels – are not only key drivers of climate change, but also major sources of air pollutants. Furthermore, many air pollutants that are harmful to human health and ecosystems also contribute to climate change by affecting the amount of incoming sunlight that is reflected or absorbed by the atmosphere, with some pollutants warming and others cooling the Earth. These so-called short-lived climate-forcing pollutants (SLCPs) include methane, black carbon, ground-level ozone, and sulfate aerosols. They have significant impacts on the climate; black carbon and methane in particular are among the top contributors to global warming after CO2.

Air Pollution and Climate Change | IASS Potsdam

What about volcanoes?

What about them? China has tons of pollution, haven't heard about any volcanoes. Hawaii has volcanoes.

Volcanoes put more pollution in the atmosphere than mankind does... you better go stop those volcanoes

Why is china so much more polluted than hawaii then? Seems you are wrong.

Man is every bit of the part of the environment as anything else...
Hawaii has Tradewinds

But man has increased its contribution of Greenhouse gases.

 

[JonKoch]

BTW, the guy handed the second worst economy after the GOP's first great depression was Obama cupcake, US economy was tanking 9% the last quarter and losing 700,000+ jobs a month

You continue to illustrate your complete and total lack of knowledge about U.S. history. The Jimmy Carter economy was considerably worse than the end of the George W. Bush economy. You clearly too young and stupid to know it.

There was no energy crisis at the end of the Bush economy. During the Carter Administration, there was a massive gas shortage across the nation. When a station would finally receive a shipment of gas, people would wait in line for hours trying to get a tank.

At the end of the Bush economy, there was no inflation issue. The Carter Administration gave us unimaginable inflation.

At the end of the Bush economy, there was no interest rate issue. The Carter Administration handed the American people interests rates over 18%. Yes - over 18%.

You should really graduate from high school before commenting on history.

LMAOROG, you keep "believing" right wing BS cupcake

Yes Nixon/Ford's wage and price controls HURT Carter and the 1970's and throw in OPEC's BS and it was a flat decade but NOTHING like the economy handed to Obama after 8 years of Dubya/GOP "job creator" policies cupcake

The Great Recession was a period of general economic decline observed in world markets during the late 2000s and early 2010s.
Great Recession - Wikipedia

Worst economic crisis since the Great Depression? By a long shot.
Worst economic crisis since the Great Depression? By a long shot.

Yeah I lived through Reaganomics cupcake, where ALL the benefits went to the richest AS he dumped on the rest of US

 

[Rustic]

Air pollution and climate change are closely related. The main sources of CO2 emissions – the extraction and burning of fossil fuels – are not only key drivers of climate change, but also major sources of air pollutants. Furthermore, many air pollutants that are harmful to human health and ecosystems also contribute to climate change by affecting the amount of incoming sunlight that is reflected or absorbed by the atmosphere, with some pollutants warming and others cooling the Earth. These so-called short-lived climate-forcing pollutants (SLCPs) include methane, black carbon, ground-level ozone, and sulfate aerosols. They have significant impacts on the climate; black carbon and methane in particular are among the top contributors to global warming after CO2.

Air Pollution and Climate Change | IASS Potsdam

What about volcanoes?

What about them? China has tons of pollution, haven't heard about any volcanoes. Hawaii has volcanoes.

Volcanoes put more pollution in the atmosphere than mankind does... you better go stop those volcanoes

According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors.

Are Volcanoes or Humans Harder on the Atmosphere?

How long has the industrial age been around? How long have volcanoes been spewing pollutants into the air?

 

[Rustic]

We all know the left hardly give anything to charity, study after study shows it. You playing stupid simply shows your level of involvement.

An obvious answer to that is because Americans most wealthy vote Republican, as that's who the GOP caters to.

/---- There's not enough wealthy to put Republicans in office . Sorry snowflakes but it's the working class the Dems ignore that put them in office

What an ignorant statement cupcake

Senate Democrats won over 23 million more votes than Republicans

We're the popular party: Senate Democrats won over 23 million more votes than Republicans

It's official: Clinton swamps Trump in popular vote
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote-final-count/


GOP Memo: Gerrymandering Won Us The House Majority
GOP Memo: Gerrymandering Won Us The House Majority



Study: Citizens United elected more Republicans


...And in six of the most affected states — Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, North Carolina, Ohio and Tennessee — the probability that a Republican would be elected to a state legislative seat increased by 10 percentage points or more.



In five other states — Colorado, Iowa, Texas, Wisconsin and Wyoming — Republican candidates were seven percentage points more likely to win.

WAPO
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/08/28/study-citizens-united-elected-more-republicans/?utm_term=.7c61979d4351

/---- Senate Dems may have gotten more votes because they came from Blue States with larger populations. That proves nothing. Here's some facts Spanky:
In Eight Years Barack Obama Has Obliterated the Democrat Party in ...
www.thegatewaypundit.com/.../eight-years-barack-obama-obliterated-democrat-party...
Nov 9, 2016 - In 2009 Democrats held 60 seats in the US Senate. ... Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 .... Many of those precious little snowflakes have never had to work a job in their life, parents ...
Democrats lost over 1,000 seats under Obama | Fox News
www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/.../democrats-lost-over-1000-seats-under-obama.ht...
Dec 27, 2016 - The Democratic Party suffered huge losses at every level during Obama’s West Wing tenure. The grand total: a net loss of 1,042 state and federal Democratic posts, including congressional and state legislative seats, governorships and the presidency. ... Democratic U.S. Senate seats ...

Yes ignore the Cit United study as well as GOP gerrymandering memo cupcake. Typical righttard

Excuses excuses excuses

Socialism never has and never will make anyone's life better, but you can choose if you want. Just leave the rest of us out of it