Right vs. Left is Logic vs. Emotion

[P@triot]

Fact is Reagan tripled the debt, that is much more than Obama did.

Ronald Reagan added $2 trillion to the national debt.

Barack Insane Obama added $10 trillion to the national debt.

In what world is $2 trillion more than $10 trillion?

How are you incapable of doing even basic math?

 

[P@triot]

As fewer and fewer can afford our healthcare, it is also being rationed.

True. But the difference? The people who deserve it / earned it have it and the people who didn't, don't.

It's inexcusable and unacceptable to ration healthcare for hard working Americans to ensure lazy progressives and crack addicts can get some. They made their own damn bed - they will lie in it. We are going to see to that. Rewarding bad behavior and failure only increases bad behavior and failure. Which is why left-wing policy always results in both.

The cost is rationing healthcare to hard working Americans.

Yeah - thanks to Obamacare (which made healthcare costs skyrocket). Thankfully the adults are in charge again and we are correcting that.

 

[Brain357]

Fact is Reagan tripled the debt, that is much more than Obama did.

Ronald Reagan added $2 trillion to the national debt.

Barack Insane Obama added $10 trillion to the national debt.

In what world is $2 trillion more than $10 trillion?

How are you incapable of doing even basic math?

Again, Reagan tripled the debt. You are going to compare the 80's to the 2000s in actual $? You are aware the economy grew a lot since the 80's? Again, you claim to be logical?

 

[Brain357]

As fewer and fewer can afford our healthcare, it is also being rationed.

True. But the difference? The people who deserve it / earned it have it and the people who didn't, don't.

It's inexcusable and unacceptable to ration healthcare for hard working Americans to ensure lazy progressives and crack addicts can get some. They made their own damn bed - they will lie in it. We are going to see to that. Rewarding bad behavior and failure only increases bad behavior and failure. Which is why left-wing policy always results in both.

The cost is rationing healthcare to hard working Americans.

Yeah - thanks to Obamacare (which made healthcare costs skyrocket). Thankfully the adults are in charge again and we are correcting that.

No, we got obamacare because healthcare costs were skyrocketing. It just didn't fix that problem. And looking at today's report, the Republicans have no answer.

 

[Brain357]

Ronald Reagan: Added $1.86 trillion, a 186 percent increase from the $998 billion debt at the end of Carter's last budget, FY 1981.

 

[P@triot]

Again, Reagan tripled the debt. You are going to compare the 80's to the 2000s in actual $? You are aware the economy grew a lot since the 80's? Again, you claim to be logical?

When you have to resort to idiotic twists like that - you know you've lost the argument. The difference in actual dollars between the 1980's and 2008 isn't that great (it's not like we're comparing 1880 to 2008).

But far more important than that - the debt was nominal when Reagan took it over. It was massive when Obama's took it over and he still managed to double it (and that's despite the fact that he raised taxes across the board while Reagan cut them across the board, and while Obama inherited a fully capable military while Reagan had to rebuild it).

Again...Barack Insane Obama added $10 trillion to the national debt in only 8 years. That's as much as all presidents combined in U.S. history accumulated in 232 years.

 

[P@triot]

No, we got obamacare because healthcare costs were skyrocketing.

That's an egregious lie. We got Obamacare because Dumbocrats want control over every segment of society and because they want to purchase power by giving people stuff - like healthcare.

It just didn't fix that problem.

That is the first accurate thing you've said.

And looking at today's report, the Republicans have no answer.

The answer is simple....repeal Obamacare and get the federal government out of healthcare. It's illegal/unconstitutional.

 

[Brain357]

Again, Reagan tripled the debt. You are going to compare the 80's to the 2000s in actual $? You are aware the economy grew a lot since the 80's? Again, you claim to be logical?

When you have to resort to idiotic twists like that - you know you've lost the argument. The difference in actual dollars between the 1980's and 2008 isn't that great (it's not like we're comparing 1880 to 2008).

But far more important than that - the debt was nominal when Reagan took it over. It was massive when Obama's took it over and he still managed to double it (and that's despite the fact that he raised taxes across the board while Reagan cut them across the board, and while Obama inherited a fully capable military while Reagan had to rebuild it).

Again...Barack Insane Obama added $10 trillion to the national debt in only 8 years. That's as much as all presidents combined in U.S. history accumulated in 232 years.

Obama had a 68% increase, Reagan had a 186% increase. Real fiscally responsible.

 

[Brain357]

No, we got obamacare because healthcare costs were skyrocketing.

That's an egregious lie. We got Obamacare because Dumbocrats want control over every segment of society and because they want to purchase power by giving people stuff - like healthcare.

It just didn't fix that problem.

That is the first accurate thing you've said.

And looking at today's report, the Republicans have no answer.

The answer is simple....repeal Obamacare and get the federal government out of healthcare. It's illegal/unconstitutional.

You are low on facts:
From 1999 to 2009, Kaiser found that the insurance premiums had climbed 131% or 13.1% per year, and workers’ contribution toward paying that premium jumped 128% or 12.8% per year. In 1999, workers’ average contribution to the premium was $1,543, and in 2009 it was $3,515. For employers, their contribution was $4,247 in 1999 and $9,860 in 2009.[5]
Health insurance costs in the United States - Wikipedia

Yes is was skyrocketing long before obamacare.

 

[Rustic]

No, we got obamacare because healthcare costs were skyrocketing.

That's an egregious lie. We got Obamacare because Dumbocrats want control over every segment of society and because they want to purchase power by giving people stuff - like healthcare.

It just didn't fix that problem.

That is the first accurate thing you've said.

And looking at today's report, the Republicans have no answer.

The answer is simple....repeal Obamacare and get the federal government out of healthcare. It's illegal/unconstitutional.

You are low on facts:
From 1999 to 2009, Kaiser found that the insurance premiums had climbed 131% or 13.1% per year, and workers’ contribution toward paying that premium jumped 128% or 12.8% per year. In 1999, workers’ average contribution to the premium was $1,543, and in 2009 it was $3,515. For employers, their contribution was $4,247 in 1999 and $9,860 in 2009.[5]
Health insurance costs in the United States - Wikipedia

Yes is was skyrocketing long before obamacare.

It's failing, because it was designed to fail. Obama care is just another socialist entitlement program. Keep your socialist entitlement programs to yourselves if you want them so bad, leave the rest of us out of it. Jack weed

 

[Brain357]

No, we got obamacare because healthcare costs were skyrocketing.

That's an egregious lie. We got Obamacare because Dumbocrats want control over every segment of society and because they want to purchase power by giving people stuff - like healthcare.

It just didn't fix that problem.

That is the first accurate thing you've said.

And looking at today's report, the Republicans have no answer.

The answer is simple....repeal Obamacare and get the federal government out of healthcare. It's illegal/unconstitutional.

You are low on facts:
From 1999 to 2009, Kaiser found that the insurance premiums had climbed 131% or 13.1% per year, and workers’ contribution toward paying that premium jumped 128% or 12.8% per year. In 1999, workers’ average contribution to the premium was $1,543, and in 2009 it was $3,515. For employers, their contribution was $4,247 in 1999 and $9,860 in 2009.[5]
Health insurance costs in the United States - Wikipedia

Yes is was skyrocketing long before obamacare.

It's failing, because it was designed to fail. Obama care is just another socialist entitlement program. Keep your socialist entitlement programs to yourselves if you want them so bad, leave the rest of us out of it. Jack weed

I guess you missed the dates there, that was before obamacare. The system was failing long before obama.

 

[Rustic]

No, we got obamacare because healthcare costs were skyrocketing.

That's an egregious lie. We got Obamacare because Dumbocrats want control over every segment of society and because they want to purchase power by giving people stuff - like healthcare.

It just didn't fix that problem.

That is the first accurate thing you've said.

And looking at today's report, the Republicans have no answer.

The answer is simple....repeal Obamacare and get the federal government out of healthcare. It's illegal/unconstitutional.

You are low on facts:
From 1999 to 2009, Kaiser found that the insurance premiums had climbed 131% or 13.1% per year, and workers’ contribution toward paying that premium jumped 128% or 12.8% per year. In 1999, workers’ average contribution to the premium was $1,543, and in 2009 it was $3,515. For employers, their contribution was $4,247 in 1999 and $9,860 in 2009.[5]
Health insurance costs in the United States - Wikipedia

Yes is was skyrocketing long before obamacare.

It's failing, because it was designed to fail. Obama care is just another socialist entitlement program. Keep your socialist entitlement programs to yourselves if you want them so bad, leave the rest of us out of it. Jack weed

I guess you missed the dates there, that was before obamacare. The system was failing long before obama.

Obama care just speeded the failure up… That's for sure.
Anyway, any program like that should be an opt in. No one should be forced into any type of program that's federally controlled

 

[Brain357]

No, we got obamacare because healthcare costs were skyrocketing.

That's an egregious lie. We got Obamacare because Dumbocrats want control over every segment of society and because they want to purchase power by giving people stuff - like healthcare.

It just didn't fix that problem.

That is the first accurate thing you've said.

And looking at today's report, the Republicans have no answer.

The answer is simple....repeal Obamacare and get the federal government out of healthcare. It's illegal/unconstitutional.

You are low on facts:
From 1999 to 2009, Kaiser found that the insurance premiums had climbed 131% or 13.1% per year, and workers’ contribution toward paying that premium jumped 128% or 12.8% per year. In 1999, workers’ average contribution to the premium was $1,543, and in 2009 it was $3,515. For employers, their contribution was $4,247 in 1999 and $9,860 in 2009.[5]
Health insurance costs in the United States - Wikipedia

Yes is was skyrocketing long before obamacare.

It's failing, because it was designed to fail. Obama care is just another socialist entitlement program. Keep your socialist entitlement programs to yourselves if you want them so bad, leave the rest of us out of it. Jack weed

I guess you missed the dates there, that was before obamacare. The system was failing long before obama.

Obama care just speeded the failure up… That's for sure.
Anyway, any program like that should be an opt in. No one should be forced into any type of program that's federally controlled

Obviously it was failing quite speedily before obamacare.

 

[Rustic]

That's an egregious lie. We got Obamacare because Dumbocrats want control over every segment of society and because they want to purchase power by giving people stuff - like healthcare.
That is the first accurate thing you've said.
The answer is simple....repeal Obamacare and get the federal government out of healthcare. It's illegal/unconstitutional.

You are low on facts:
From 1999 to 2009, Kaiser found that the insurance premiums had climbed 131% or 13.1% per year, and workers’ contribution toward paying that premium jumped 128% or 12.8% per year. In 1999, workers’ average contribution to the premium was $1,543, and in 2009 it was $3,515. For employers, their contribution was $4,247 in 1999 and $9,860 in 2009.[5]
Health insurance costs in the United States - Wikipedia

Yes is was skyrocketing long before obamacare.

It's failing, because it was designed to fail. Obama care is just another socialist entitlement program. Keep your socialist entitlement programs to yourselves if you want them so bad, leave the rest of us out of it. Jack weed

I guess you missed the dates there, that was before obamacare. The system was failing long before obama.

Obama care just speeded the failure up… That's for sure.
Anyway, any program like that should be an opt in. No one should be forced into any type of program that's federally controlled

Obviously it was failing quite speedily before obamacare.

Keep your socialist entitlement programs to yourselves, leave the rest of us out of it

 

[Brain357]

You are low on facts:
From 1999 to 2009, Kaiser found that the insurance premiums had climbed 131% or 13.1% per year, and workers’ contribution toward paying that premium jumped 128% or 12.8% per year. In 1999, workers’ average contribution to the premium was $1,543, and in 2009 it was $3,515. For employers, their contribution was $4,247 in 1999 and $9,860 in 2009.[5]
Health insurance costs in the United States - Wikipedia

Yes is was skyrocketing long before obamacare.

It's failing, because it was designed to fail. Obama care is just another socialist entitlement program. Keep your socialist entitlement programs to yourselves if you want them so bad, leave the rest of us out of it. Jack weed

I guess you missed the dates there, that was before obamacare. The system was failing long before obama.

Obama care just speeded the failure up… That's for sure.
Anyway, any program like that should be an opt in. No one should be forced into any type of program that's federally controlled

Obviously it was failing quite speedily before obamacare.

Keep your socialist entitlement programs to yourselves, leave the rest of us out of it

Again, it was skyrocketing before obamacare.

 

[Rustic]

It's failing, because it was designed to fail. Obama care is just another socialist entitlement program. Keep your socialist entitlement programs to yourselves if you want them so bad, leave the rest of us out of it. Jack weed

I guess you missed the dates there, that was before obamacare. The system was failing long before obama.

Obama care just speeded the failure up… That's for sure.
Anyway, any program like that should be an opt in. No one should be forced into any type of program that's federally controlled

Obviously it was failing quite speedily before obamacare.

Keep your socialist entitlement programs to yourselves, leave the rest of us out of it

Again, it was skyrocketing before obamacare.

Of course, when you have a bunch of Sue happy bastards and insurance companies/lawyers running things...

 

[Brain357]

I guess you missed the dates there, that was before obamacare. The system was failing long before obama.

Obama care just speeded the failure up… That's for sure.
Anyway, any program like that should be an opt in. No one should be forced into any type of program that's federally controlled

Obviously it was failing quite speedily before obamacare.

Keep your socialist entitlement programs to yourselves, leave the rest of us out of it

Again, it was skyrocketing before obamacare.

Of course, when you have a bunch of Sue happy bastards and insurance companies/lawyers running things...

You suggest we don't use insurance companies?

 

[Rustic]

Obama care just speeded the failure up… That's for sure.
Anyway, any program like that should be an opt in. No one should be forced into any type of program that's federally controlled

Obviously it was failing quite speedily before obamacare.

Keep your socialist entitlement programs to yourselves, leave the rest of us out of it

Again, it was skyrocketing before obamacare.

Of course, when you have a bunch of Sue happy bastards and insurance companies/lawyers running things...

You suggest we don't use insurance companies?

Mandatory insurance of any sort is nothing more than legalized extortion, people need to take care of their own shit and not expect other people to pay for their **** ups/lack of planning…

 

[P@triot]

Obama had a 68% increase, Reagan had a 186% increase. Real fiscally responsible.

Uh...in what world is adding $10 trillion on top of $10 trillion a "68% increase"? Why is basic math so difficult for you?

Reagan has a relatively small 186% increase on top of a small national debt. Barack Insane Obama had a mind-boggling 100% increase on a catastrophic $10 trillion national debt.

Barack Insane Obama added 5x's to the national debt what Ronald Reagan did. Five times.

 

[P@triot]

You are low on facts

Well you are completely devoid of facts. Being low on facts in this case places me light years ahead of you.