Rest in Peace Muhammad Ali

[TyroneSlothrop]

I thought Liberals said there were no terrorists in Iraq?

Not until we brought them with us...there were no Terrorist in Iraq during Saddam's reign

That's not what Hillary said.

Link...was that when she was first the President in 2003..?

 

[beagle9]

Muhammad Ali starred in a Broadway musical

CBS Photo Archive via Getty Images
Ali was billed under his birth name, Cassius Clay, when he starred in the Broadway musical, “Buck White.”
In 1969, during his suspension from boxing over his refusal to go to Vietnam, Ali was reportedly drowning in debt and still appealing his conviction. He made pocket change by touring colleges to discuss the war, and, as Playbill points out, he starred in the Broadway musical, “Buck White.”

. Buck white ? Sounds racist enough..

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

He secured the release of 15 U.S. prisoners in Iraq
In November 1990, Ali met with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein in Baghdad on a “goodwill tour” in an attempt to negotiate the release of 15 Americans held hostage in Iraq and Kuwait.

Ali was instantly criticized, taking flak from the likes of then-President George H.W. Bush and The New York Times, both of whom expressed concerns that he was fueling a propaganda machine. Speaking about Ali’s Parkinson’s disease, the Times wrote:

“Surely the strangest hostage-release campaign of recent days has been the ‘goodwill’ tour of Muhammad Ali, the former heavyweight boxing champion . . . he has attended meeting after meeting in Baghdad despite his frequent inability to speak clearly.”

Something worked, however. Despite running out of medication for his crippling disease and waiting more than a week to talk to Hussein, Ali was able to bring all 15 of a group of captive American soldiers home.

The New York Post reported:

Ali’s meeting with Saddam on Nov. 29, 1990, was open to the media. Ali sat patiently while Saddam praised himself for treating the hostages so well. Once he sensed an opening, Ali promised Saddam that he’d bring America “an honest account” of Iraq.

“I’m not going to let Muhammad Ali return to the US,” Saddam replied, “without having a number of the American citizens accompanying him.”

Ali got all 15.

 

[Esmeralda]

He secured the release of 15 U.S. prisoners in Iraq
In November 1990, Ali met with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein in Baghdad on a “goodwill tour” in an attempt to negotiate the release of 15 Americans held hostage in Iraq and Kuwait.

Ali was instantly criticized, taking flak from the likes of then-President George H.W. Bush and The New York Times, both of whom expressed concerns that he was fueling a propaganda machine. Speaking about Ali’s Parkinson’s disease, the Times wrote:

“Surely the strangest hostage-release campaign of recent days has been the ‘goodwill’ tour of Muhammad Ali, the former heavyweight boxing champion . . . he has attended meeting after meeting in Baghdad despite his frequent inability to speak clearly.”

Something worked, however. Despite running out of medication for his crippling disease and waiting more than a week to talk to Hussein, Ali was able to bring all 15 of a group of captive American soldiers home.

The New York Post reported:

Ali’s meeting with Saddam on Nov. 29, 1990, was open to the media. Ali sat patiently while Saddam praised himself for treating the hostages so well. Once he sensed an opening, Ali promised Saddam that he’d bring America “an honest account” of Iraq.

“I’m not going to let Muhammad Ali return to the US,” Saddam replied, “without having a number of the American citizens accompanying him.”

Ali got all 15.

 

[August West]

Is Iraq?
Tell Obama to get the fuck out of there idiot

No Iraq is not. Once he's finished cleaning up Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz's clusterfuck, I'm sure he will.

Dear lord, you're still whining about bush? Get a fucking life asshole


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The people Bush murdered are still dead and there is no statute of limitations on murder... asshole. Let this be the first book you`ve read since the Dick and Jane books in first grade.

The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Ali

 

[rightwinger]

I thought Liberals said there were no terrorists in Iraq?

Not until we brought them with us...there were no Terrorist in Iraq during Saddam's reign

That's not what Hillary said.

Quote?

 

[JQPublic1]

Condolences to all in the Ali family. Sad ti see a guy pass away at only 74. Nowadays that is a young age for someone to die. Look a Bernie Sanders. He's 74 and he's a bundle of energy. Same with Ringo Starr and Mick Jagger, who tour the world and dance all over stages.

Something does need to be said about this "greatest" title we keep seeing and hearing so much, though. Muhammad Ali (AKA Cassius Clay) was perhaps "the greatest" at showmanship and self-promotion. As a boxer, he was a very good one, but he was far from being the greatest at that.

He lost a few fights, and there are other boxers (Rocky Marciano, Floyd Mayweather, Joe Calzaghe, Ricardo Lopez, Sven Ottke, Edwin Valero, and others) who fought dozens of fights, and still went UNDEFEATED. Valero won all 27 of his fights, all of them by knockouts. Not fair to these guys to call Ali "the greatest".

List of undefeated boxing world champions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many of those guys had four prime years taken away because they stood up for their political principles?

Is dodging the draft now considered a political principle?

Ali did not dodge the draft, he met it head on. While conservatives were sending their sons to Canada or getting them college deferments, Muhammad Ali just refused to step across that line at the inception station. That was a powerful moment that stands as one of the most spectacular in Black History.

Here was a real man who was courageous enough to let the the White world know he was a Black man who demanded to be in control of his fate and not just a shill for corporate America. With Jim Crow and a plethora of other racial atrocities as the backdrop of his refusal to be drafted, Ali's decision became even more important during the era of MLK. Frankly it would have been interesting to see other Black draftees follow the advise of MLK and do what Ali did.

Thousands of Black men died in Vietnam as in all of our wars; even as their loved ones, left behind, still had to struggle with their real enemy: RW conservatism/racism. Ali knew that and was brave enough and smart enough to bring it out to be recorded by the unblinking eye of the news cameras for the entire world to see. He was willing to make that ultimate sacrifice and gained more respect in that moment than all the Blacks who acquiesced and went with the flow; earning nothing but more contempt by many Whites who hated them anyway…and hated obsequious Blacks even more.

A lot of BS in your post, but at the very least Ali was honest about his refusal obey the law and defend his country from Communism. Real Americans served, and most of those that objected to engaging in combat were given non-combat jobs. I bet you would defend that great RW Conservative, Bill Clinton's college deferments and lying to avoid the draft.

There is no BS in my post. That is why you failed to point to it! By the way, that tactic is getting old. When Ali refused to fight for America, blacks really had little or no representation in this country. They were, de facto, second class citizens. What incentive did black people have to fight Communism when White based capitalism had been so cruel to them? What loyalties did they owe to a nation that despised them, had enslaved them, cheated them, and had allowed terrorists to murder them with impunity for decades?

 

[beagle9]

He secured the release of 15 U.S. prisoners in Iraq
In November 1990, Ali met with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein in Baghdad on a “goodwill tour” in an attempt to negotiate the release of 15 Americans held hostage in Iraq and Kuwait.

Ali was instantly criticized, taking flak from the likes of then-President George H.W. Bush and The New York Times, both of whom expressed concerns that he was fueling a propaganda machine. Speaking about Ali’s Parkinson’s disease, the Times wrote:

“Surely the strangest hostage-release campaign of recent days has been the ‘goodwill’ tour of Muhammad Ali, the former heavyweight boxing champion . . . he has attended meeting after meeting in Baghdad despite his frequent inability to speak clearly.”

Something worked, however. Despite running out of medication for his crippling disease and waiting more than a week to talk to Hussein, Ali was able to bring all 15 of a group of captive American soldiers home.

The New York Post reported:

Ali’s meeting with Saddam on Nov. 29, 1990, was open to the media. Ali sat patiently while Saddam praised himself for treating the hostages so well. Once he sensed an opening, Ali promised Saddam that he’d bring America “an honest account” of Iraq.

“I’m not going to let Muhammad Ali return to the US,” Saddam replied, “without having a number of the American citizens accompanying him.”

Ali got all 15.

. Sounds like Ali was doing everything he could to repay his loss of military service, and that is a great thing. Many ways to serve, and it appears he found them.

 

[Unkotare]

Is Iraq?
Tell Obama to get the fuck out of there idiot

No Iraq is not. Once he's finished cleaning up Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz's clusterfuck, I'm sure he will.

Dear lord, you're still whining about bush? Get a fucking life asshole


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The people Bush murdered are still dead and there is no statute of limitations on murder... asshole. ....

He didn't "murder" anyone, drama-queen. Words have meaning.

 

[beagle9]

Ali

. It's so wonder he was such a great fighter, after having to defend that look. LOL

 

[Unkotare]

Condolences to all in the Ali family. Sad ti see a guy pass away at only 74. Nowadays that is a young age for someone to die. Look a Bernie Sanders. He's 74 and he's a bundle of energy. Same with Ringo Starr and Mick Jagger, who tour the world and dance all over stages.

Something does need to be said about this "greatest" title we keep seeing and hearing so much, though. Muhammad Ali (AKA Cassius Clay) was perhaps "the greatest" at showmanship and self-promotion. As a boxer, he was a very good one, but he was far from being the greatest at that.

He lost a few fights, and there are other boxers (Rocky Marciano, Floyd Mayweather, Joe Calzaghe, Ricardo Lopez, Sven Ottke, Edwin Valero, and others) who fought dozens of fights, and still went UNDEFEATED. Valero won all 27 of his fights, all of them by knockouts. Not fair to these guys to call Ali "the greatest".

List of undefeated boxing world champions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many of those guys had four prime years taken away because they stood up for their political principles?

Is dodging the draft now considered a political principle?

Ali did not dodge the draft, he met it head on. While conservatives were sending their sons to Canada or getting them college deferments, Muhammad Ali just refused to step across that line at the inception station. That was a powerful moment that stands as one of the most spectacular in Black History.

Here was a real man who was courageous enough to let the the White world know he was a Black man who demanded to be in control of his fate and not just a shill for corporate America. With Jim Crow and a plethora of other racial atrocities as the backdrop of his refusal to be drafted, Ali's decision became even more important during the era of MLK. Frankly it would have been interesting to see other Black draftees follow the advise of MLK and do what Ali did.

Thousands of Black men died in Vietnam as in all of our wars; even as their loved ones, left behind, still had to struggle with their real enemy: RW conservatism/racism. Ali knew that and was brave enough and smart enough to bring it out to be recorded by the unblinking eye of the news cameras for the entire world to see. He was willing to make that ultimate sacrifice and gained more respect in that moment than all the Blacks who acquiesced and went with the flow; earning nothing but more contempt by many Whites who hated them anyway…and hated obsequious Blacks even more.

A lot of BS in your post, but at the very least Ali was honest about his refusal obey the law and defend his country from Communism. Real Americans served, and most of those that objected to engaging in combat were given non-combat jobs. I bet you would defend that great RW Conservative, Bill Clinton's college deferments and lying to avoid the draft.

There is no BS in my post. That is why you failed to point to it! By the way, that tactic is getting old. When Ali refused to fight for America, blacks really had little or no representation in this country. They were, de facto, second class citizens. What incentive did black people have to fight Communism when White based capitalism had been so cruel to them? What loyalties did they owe to a nation that despised them, had enslaved them, cheated them, and had allowed terrorists to murder them with impunity for decades?

You're a 50 year-old cliche.

 

[TooTall]

Condolences to all in the Ali family. Sad ti see a guy pass away at only 74. Nowadays that is a young age for someone to die. Look a Bernie Sanders. He's 74 and he's a bundle of energy. Same with Ringo Starr and Mick Jagger, who tour the world and dance all over stages.

Something does need to be said about this "greatest" title we keep seeing and hearing so much, though. Muhammad Ali (AKA Cassius Clay) was perhaps "the greatest" at showmanship and self-promotion. As a boxer, he was a very good one, but he was far from being the greatest at that.

He lost a few fights, and there are other boxers (Rocky Marciano, Floyd Mayweather, Joe Calzaghe, Ricardo Lopez, Sven Ottke, Edwin Valero, and others) who fought dozens of fights, and still went UNDEFEATED. Valero won all 27 of his fights, all of them by knockouts. Not fair to these guys to call Ali "the greatest".

List of undefeated boxing world champions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many of those guys had four prime years taken away because they stood up for their political principles?

Is dodging the draft now considered a political principle?

Ali did not dodge the draft, he met it head on. While conservatives were sending their sons to Canada or getting them college deferments, Muhammad Ali just refused to step across that line at the inception station. That was a powerful moment that stands as one of the most spectacular in Black History.

Here was a real man who was courageous enough to let the the White world know he was a Black man who demanded to be in control of his fate and not just a shill for corporate America. With Jim Crow and a plethora of other racial atrocities as the backdrop of his refusal to be drafted, Ali's decision became even more important during the era of MLK. Frankly it would have been interesting to see other Black draftees follow the advise of MLK and do what Ali did.

Thousands of Black men died in Vietnam as in all of our wars; even as their loved ones, left behind, still had to struggle with their real enemy: RW conservatism/racism. Ali knew that and was brave enough and smart enough to bring it out to be recorded by the unblinking eye of the news cameras for the entire world to see. He was willing to make that ultimate sacrifice and gained more respect in that moment than all the Blacks who acquiesced and went with the flow; earning nothing but more contempt by many Whites who hated them anyway…and hated obsequious Blacks even more.

A lot of BS in your post, but at the very least Ali was honest about his refusal obey the law and defend his country from Communism. Real Americans served, and most of those that objected to engaging in combat were given non-combat jobs. I bet you would defend that great RW Conservative, Bill Clinton's college deferments and lying to avoid the draft.

There is no BS in my post. That is why you failed to point to it! By the way, that tactic is getting old. When Ali refused to fight for America, blacks really had little or no representation in this country. They were, de facto, second class citizens. What incentive did black people have to fight Communism when White based capitalism had been so cruel to them? What loyalties did they owe to a nation that despised them, had enslaved them, cheated them, and had allowed terrorists to murder them with impunity for decades?

I didn't point out the BS because there was so much of it. Did you ever wonder why Colin Powell fought for this country?

 

[JQPublic1]

When you agree with someone who disparages the entire Black population at every turn and then directs his vile ad hominem attacks at a deceased Black man who is held in the highest esteem in every country, you are no friend of mine. I know where you stand and I want you to know that. Joining the national guard was a cowards way out of Vietnam so I hold no respect for Protectionist for his joining the pansy NG in war time. The difference between him and muhammad Ali is that Ali had the courage to look his domestic enemies in the eye and tell them NO, I won't go. Protectionist took the easy way out through the NG. Now he also claims he would have refused as Ali did if he was ordered to go to 'Nam. He is a damned liar or a fraud, take your pick. real RWers are supposed to be John Wayne types, right? Well would JW have joined the NG to get out of going to combat? Hardly…. Now iif Bodeca falls for the crap Protectionist spews, that is her right. Just be consistent. I am wary of her now.

The dumbest excuse Ali ever uttered was "No Viet Cong ever called me a ******". Neither did they call the white boy who had to take his place call him a "cracker".

The white boy was never refused service in a restaurant because of the color of his skin. When were white boys beaten (and often murdered) for wanting equality and to be able to vote? And you can bet if a black man bombed a church and killed 4 little white girls, there would have been serious prosecution by the gov't.

Ali didn't mention that. He specifically said no Viet Cong called him a ******. Like that is a valid excuse. Every ethnicity has faced discriminations. Look at the Irish, Japenese, Germans,. They overcame and moved on. Black self-victimhood is becoming an industry.

Comparing the race-baiters of today with the atrocities against the blacks in the 1960s is simply disingenuous.

Moved on and overcame? Blacks were given the vote in 1869. People trying to get blacks to vote were murdered 100 years later. So don't pretend that there was not a serious, violent movement against blacks.

Blacks could vote in the North and the South. Democrats made it harder with those tests prior to handing them a ballot.

Yes, the same brand of conservatives who called themselves democrats back then are the same brand of conservatives who now call themselves republicans. Republicans were called liberals back then, yesireee! George Wallace even said so!
So who are the liberals today…. you guessed it…democrats…. yesireeee!

 

[TooTall]

The dumbest excuse Ali ever uttered was "No Viet Cong ever called me a ******". Neither did they call the white boy who had to take his place call him a "cracker".

The white boy was never refused service in a restaurant because of the color of his skin. When were white boys beaten (and often murdered) for wanting equality and to be able to vote? And you can bet if a black man bombed a church and killed 4 little white girls, there would have been serious prosecution by the gov't.

Ali didn't mention that. He specifically said no Viet Cong called him a ******. Like that is a valid excuse. Every ethnicity has faced discriminations. Look at the Irish, Japenese, Germans,. They overcame and moved on. Black self-victimhood is becoming an industry.

Comparing the race-baiters of today with the atrocities against the blacks in the 1960s is simply disingenuous.

Moved on and overcame? Blacks were given the vote in 1869. People trying to get blacks to vote were murdered 100 years later. So don't pretend that there was not a serious, violent movement against blacks.

Blacks could vote in the North and the South. Democrats made it harder with those tests prior to handing them a ballot.

Yes, the same brand of conservatives who called themselves democrats back then are the same brand of conservatives who now call themselves republicans. Republicans were called liberals back then, yesireee! George Wallace even said so!
So who are the liberals today…. you guessed it…democrats…. yesireeee!

Most Democrats refuse to be called liberals. They much prefer being called progressives so they can give away more free stuff.

 

[JQPublic1]

How many of those guys had four prime years taken away because they stood up for their political principles?

Is dodging the draft now considered a political principle?

Ali did not dodge the draft, he met it head on. While conservatives were sending their sons to Canada or getting them college deferments, Muhammad Ali just refused to step across that line at the inception station. That was a powerful moment that stands as one of the most spectacular in Black History.

Here was a real man who was courageous enough to let the the White world know he was a Black man who demanded to be in control of his fate and not just a shill for corporate America. With Jim Crow and a plethora of other racial atrocities as the backdrop of his refusal to be drafted, Ali's decision became even more important during the era of MLK. Frankly it would have been interesting to see other Black draftees follow the advise of MLK and do what Ali did.

Thousands of Black men died in Vietnam as in all of our wars; even as their loved ones, left behind, still had to struggle with their real enemy: RW conservatism/racism. Ali knew that and was brave enough and smart enough to bring it out to be recorded by the unblinking eye of the news cameras for the entire world to see. He was willing to make that ultimate sacrifice and gained more respect in that moment than all the Blacks who acquiesced and went with the flow; earning nothing but more contempt by many Whites who hated them anyway…and hated obsequious Blacks even more.

A lot of BS in your post, but at the very least Ali was honest about his refusal obey the law and defend his country from Communism. Real Americans served, and most of those that objected to engaging in combat were given non-combat jobs. I bet you would defend that great RW Conservative, Bill Clinton's college deferments and lying to avoid the draft.

There is no BS in my post. That is why you failed to point to it! By the way, that tactic is getting old. When Ali refused to fight for America, blacks really had little or no representation in this country. They were, de facto, second class citizens. What incentive did black people have to fight Communism when White based capitalism had been so cruel to them? What loyalties did they owe to a nation that despised them, had enslaved them, cheated them, and had allowed terrorists to murder them with impunity for decades?

I didn't point out the BS because there was so much of it. Did you ever wonder why Colin Powell fought for this country?

Many Blacks fought for America and many died or spilled blood. Like Colin, they saw the military as a way out of the daily morass and drudgery that confronted them as civilians. Powell was likely seduced by the prestige of of being an officer. That rarity among Blacks back then was a particularly seductive proposition. And you didn't point out BS because there was none. Just name ONE…thats all, I dare you!

 

[beagle9]

Condolences to all in the Ali family. Sad ti see a guy pass away at only 74. Nowadays that is a young age for someone to die. Look a Bernie Sanders. He's 74 and he's a bundle of energy. Same with Ringo Starr and Mick Jagger, who tour the world and dance all over stages.

Something does need to be said about this "greatest" title we keep seeing and hearing so much, though. Muhammad Ali (AKA Cassius Clay) was perhaps "the greatest" at showmanship and self-promotion. As a boxer, he was a very good one, but he was far from being the greatest at that.

He lost a few fights, and there are other boxers (Rocky Marciano, Floyd Mayweather, Joe Calzaghe, Ricardo Lopez, Sven Ottke, Edwin Valero, and others) who fought dozens of fights, and still went UNDEFEATED. Valero won all 27 of his fights, all of them by knockouts. Not fair to these guys to call Ali "the greatest".

List of undefeated boxing world champions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many of those guys had four prime years taken away because they stood up for their political principles?

Is dodging the draft now considered a political principle?

Ali did not dodge the draft, he met it head on. While conservatives were sending their sons to Canada or getting them college deferments, Muhammad Ali just refused to step across that line at the inception station. That was a powerful moment that stands as one of the most spectacular in Black History.

Here was a real man who was courageous enough to let the the White world know he was a Black man who demanded to be in control of his fate and not just a shill for corporate America. With Jim Crow and a plethora of other racial atrocities as the backdrop of his refusal to be drafted, Ali's decision became even more important during the era of MLK. Frankly it would have been interesting to see other Black draftees follow the advise of MLK and do what Ali did.

Thousands of Black men died in Vietnam as in all of our wars; even as their loved ones, left behind, still had to struggle with their real enemy: RW conservatism/racism. Ali knew that and was brave enough and smart enough to bring it out to be recorded by the unblinking eye of the news cameras for the entire world to see. He was willing to make that ultimate sacrifice and gained more respect in that moment than all the Blacks who acquiesced and went with the flow; earning nothing but more contempt by many Whites who hated them anyway…and hated obsequious Blacks even more.

A lot of BS in your post, but at the very least Ali was honest about his refusal obey the law and defend his country from Communism. Real Americans served, and most of those that objected to engaging in combat were given non-combat jobs. I bet you would defend that great RW Conservative, Bill Clinton's college deferments and lying to avoid the draft.

There is no BS in my post. That is why you failed to point to it! By the way, that tactic is getting old. When Ali refused to fight for America, blacks really had little or no representation in this country. They were, de facto, second class citizens. What incentive did black people have to fight Communism when White based capitalism had been so cruel to them? What loyalties did they owe to a nation that despised them, had enslaved them, cheated them, and had allowed terrorists to murder them with impunity for decades?

. It begs the question of why did they want to remain here during all that, instead of being repatriated to what they called their homeland in Africa ? Was it that they were manipulated by big business for years to have them think that they were needed here regardless of how bad things were for them ? Is big business still this influential, that it can influence huge populations to endure hell in order to remain in a nation that might be hostile to them ? Corporations and government for corporations are truly diabolical in the ways that it can manipulate entire populations to do it's bidding for them, and do it in some of the most hostile environments imaginable.

 

[JQPublic1]

The white boy was never refused service in a restaurant because of the color of his skin. When were white boys beaten (and often murdered) for wanting equality and to be able to vote? And you can bet if a black man bombed a church and killed 4 little white girls, there would have been serious prosecution by the gov't.

Ali didn't mention that. He specifically said no Viet Cong called him a ******. Like that is a valid excuse. Every ethnicity has faced discriminations. Look at the Irish, Japenese, Germans,. They overcame and moved on. Black self-victimhood is becoming an industry.

Comparing the race-baiters of today with the atrocities against the blacks in the 1960s is simply disingenuous.

Moved on and overcame? Blacks were given the vote in 1869. People trying to get blacks to vote were murdered 100 years later. So don't pretend that there was not a serious, violent movement against blacks.

Blacks could vote in the North and the South. Democrats made it harder with those tests prior to handing them a ballot.

Yes, the same brand of conservatives who called themselves democrats back then are the same brand of conservatives who now call themselves republicans. Republicans were called liberals back then, yesireee! George Wallace even said so!
So who are the liberals today…. you guessed it…democrats…. yesireeee!

Most Democrats refuse to be called liberals. They much prefer being called progressives so they can give away more free stuff.

Now you are being silly!

 

[TooTall]

Is dodging the draft now considered a political principle?

Ali did not dodge the draft, he met it head on. While conservatives were sending their sons to Canada or getting them college deferments, Muhammad Ali just refused to step across that line at the inception station. That was a powerful moment that stands as one of the most spectacular in Black History.

Here was a real man who was courageous enough to let the the White world know he was a Black man who demanded to be in control of his fate and not just a shill for corporate America. With Jim Crow and a plethora of other racial atrocities as the backdrop of his refusal to be drafted, Ali's decision became even more important during the era of MLK. Frankly it would have been interesting to see other Black draftees follow the advise of MLK and do what Ali did.

Thousands of Black men died in Vietnam as in all of our wars; even as their loved ones, left behind, still had to struggle with their real enemy: RW conservatism/racism. Ali knew that and was brave enough and smart enough to bring it out to be recorded by the unblinking eye of the news cameras for the entire world to see. He was willing to make that ultimate sacrifice and gained more respect in that moment than all the Blacks who acquiesced and went with the flow; earning nothing but more contempt by many Whites who hated them anyway…and hated obsequious Blacks even more.

A lot of BS in your post, but at the very least Ali was honest about his refusal obey the law and defend his country from Communism. Real Americans served, and most of those that objected to engaging in combat were given non-combat jobs. I bet you would defend that great RW Conservative, Bill Clinton's college deferments and lying to avoid the draft.

There is no BS in my post. That is why you failed to point to it! By the way, that tactic is getting old. When Ali refused to fight for America, blacks really had little or no representation in this country. They were, de facto, second class citizens. What incentive did black people have to fight Communism when White based capitalism had been so cruel to them? What loyalties did they owe to a nation that despised them, had enslaved them, cheated them, and had allowed terrorists to murder them with impunity for decades?

I didn't point out the BS because there was so much of it. Did you ever wonder why Colin Powell fought for this country?

Many Blacks fought for America and many died or spilled blood. Like Colin, they saw the military as a way out of the daily morass and drudgery that confronted them as civilians. Powell was likely seduced by the prestige of of being an officer. That rarity among Blacks back then was a particularly seductive proposition. And you didn't point out BS because there was none. Just name ONE…thats all, I dare you!

I will wait for your answer to my question about that R/W conservative Bill Clinton who dodged the draft with college deferments and lying. This was in reference to your BS comments about conservatives getting deferments and going to Canada, as if liberals didn't do that as well.

 

[Unkotare]

Is dodging the draft now considered a political principle?

Ali did not dodge the draft, he met it head on. While conservatives were sending their sons to Canada or getting them college deferments, Muhammad Ali just refused to step across that line at the inception station. That was a powerful moment that stands as one of the most spectacular in Black History.

Here was a real man who was courageous enough to let the the White world know he was a Black man who demanded to be in control of his fate and not just a shill for corporate America. With Jim Crow and a plethora of other racial atrocities as the backdrop of his refusal to be drafted, Ali's decision became even more important during the era of MLK. Frankly it would have been interesting to see other Black draftees follow the advise of MLK and do what Ali did.

Thousands of Black men died in Vietnam as in all of our wars; even as their loved ones, left behind, still had to struggle with their real enemy: RW conservatism/racism. Ali knew that and was brave enough and smart enough to bring it out to be recorded by the unblinking eye of the news cameras for the entire world to see. He was willing to make that ultimate sacrifice and gained more respect in that moment than all the Blacks who acquiesced and went with the flow; earning nothing but more contempt by many Whites who hated them anyway…and hated obsequious Blacks even more.

A lot of BS in your post, but at the very least Ali was honest about his refusal obey the law and defend his country from Communism. Real Americans served, and most of those that objected to engaging in combat were given non-combat jobs. I bet you would defend that great RW Conservative, Bill Clinton's college deferments and lying to avoid the draft.

There is no BS in my post. That is why you failed to point to it! By the way, that tactic is getting old. When Ali refused to fight for America, blacks really had little or no representation in this country. They were, de facto, second class citizens. What incentive did black people have to fight Communism when White based capitalism had been so cruel to them? What loyalties did they owe to a nation that despised them, had enslaved them, cheated them, and had allowed terrorists to murder them with impunity for decades?

I didn't point out the BS because there was so much of it. Did you ever wonder why Colin Powell fought for this country?

Many Blacks fought for America and many died or spilled blood. Like Colin, they saw the military as a way out of the daily morass and drudgery that confronted them as civilians. Powell was likely seduced by the prestige of of being an officer. That rarity among Blacks back then was a particularly seductive proposition.

Mind reading is so 'progressive.' How about 'they' were and are brave, patriotic Americans and better men and women than you, with your big mouth and empty head could ever be?