Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians

[rylah]

The United States is by far the largest donor of financial aid to the Palestinians, with this assistance touching nearly every aspect of life in the Palestinian Authority. But US President Donald Trump threatened on Tuesday to end this aid to the Palestinians, angered by Ramallah’s refusal to cooperate with the US’s efforts to jump-start Israeli-Palestinian peace talks after he declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel in December.

The Palestinians want East Jerusalem to be the capital of their future state.

Trump tweeted on Tuesday that Washington was paying the PA hundreds of millions of dollars a year “for nothing,” and complained that the US received “no appreciation or respect” in return.

How much aid does the US give Palestinians, and what’s it for?

How is the US jump starting negotiations? What is Trumps plan here?

Trump is pissed that the PA is angry over his Jerusalem move and refused to engage in talks because they feel the US can no longer be a good faith partner. That is what all this cutting of aid is about. Trump’s personal vendetta.

I think You don't get the full picture, the region is wide, Israel is of most importance, Hamas and PA are not,
there's something wider weaving out that is bigger than an agreement with this non-functional govt.

I've realized that any agreement can come only as a result of normalization with the wider Arab world, not the other way around. In that context reconstruction of Palestinian aid might have a bigger focus on Arab involvement - both governmentally and investment wise. Coordinated with the US and put under concrete time frames it can achieve significant goals, otherwise it's 40 horses pulling one carriage each to a different direction.
Such reconstruction of aid leading to time- efficient involvement and regional normalization could, in my own perspective, go more hand in hand with the US interests of security and regional cooperation.

 

[RoccoR]

※→ Shusha, et al,

I think I agree with our friend "Shusha."

Foreign Aid (the transfer of capital, goods, or services) is suppose to be a gesture of goodwill from one friendly nation to another friendly nation. We say "allies."

Where should our money go? What should the priorities be?
.

(COMMENT)

Let's face it... The Arab Palestinians are NOT friends with America.

I don't know exactly how we got into trouble here, but I find it odd that there are so many Arab Palestinians in America when the PEW Survey Report indicates that 75% of them consider America an "enemy."

I don't think that America should be giving any type of aid to the Arab Palestinian and their so-called state. And I don't think that America should allow a self-declared enemy to tell us who we should or should not give aid to.

America, over the period since the Oslo Accord (1993), was given the Palestinians about $5.2B in aid. My position is that we should NOT be entangled and obligated to provide an annual stipend to an enemy state.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[member]

Aid CAN be restructured so as to benefit them more directly and encourage better government and economy. That is what the OP is suggesting.

How?
I'm all for that....but
It's all too vague, in the meantime is see that this "US aid reconstruction" also means the use of Israeli markets and universities. Which begs the question that I've been asking since the beginning - at what cost?

How is it different from the crazy demand for Gazans to enter Israel during war in which they declare to "rip their hearts and drink their blood" - for j-o-b-s??

How? Well whst do you think of the OP's suggestions? So far no one seems to be actually talking about them

The OP suggestion was addressed specifically in the beginning with practical questions,
all of them are yet to be answered...Probably because someone decided to deflect
this thread to the usual "but Israel" excuses.

Can we bring this thread back to its' topic Coyote, what was that?

"Can we bring this thread back to its' topic Coyote, what was that?"




It’s about PRESIDENT TRUMP and his personal “vendetta” -------- against: Sick Palestinian patients in Jerusalem hospitals…


when they were going over the LIST of

"WASTED AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS" - and where best to CUT the shit out of it............

i BET THE PRESIDENT thought **** the patients..........cutting funds had nothing to do with the loot being used for kite bombs and other blow-up toys for terrorists……… (and 3-piece suits for...abbfabio)......

we should just...bypass the government and ....have coyote write a check.....

 

[Coyote]

It isn’t the presence of Jews. It is the building of new settlements in contested areas and moving people into them.

And gee all these settlements seem to be Jewish only. Any Arab ones are deemed illegal.

So yes. Ina contested a territory it certainly can be viewed as a hostile action and not because it is Jews.

Its not the presence of Jews but the "building of new settlements and moving (Jewish) people into them." Please explain to me the functional difference between those two things. Because they seem to be the same to me. (And Israel has not (until recently) built any new settlements in more than 20 years.)



As an aside, two families move into an area and begin farming in the early 1930s. Both are from foreign territories. Both have a continued presence in the territory that their families have been farming for generations. One family is considered to be "settlers". The other is not. What do you think the defining trait is?

Please explain to me whyonly Jewish settlements are legal.

Not true.. Did you ever visit the sites for the brand new "structured community" of Rawabi? That's Palestinian pressure to build out as well. And they got Israeli cooperation for water/power by being persistent and bringing in the first thousand new buyers. Better community living than in 75% of America..

Hotels, Convention Center, Shopping, Libraries, Schools. BRAND NEW Pali Production. Watch it. Learn how developed and thriving Palestinian life in Israel truely is. They are NOT ALL on WELFARE.

Yes, I had heard about it, a fantastic enterprise and a real success, thanks for pointing it out However they did not need Israeli permission to build it, it is entirely in Area C.

 

[MJB12741]

These cuts aren’t to funds going to or through PA. They are funds going to organizations that help the Palestinian people.


Trump administration to cut $200 million from Palestinian aid

WASHINGTON - The Trump administration announced on Friday that it has decided to cut $200 million from the aid budget to the Palestinians that was approved by Congress earlier this year.

Most of this money was supposed to support humanitarian and economic projects in the West Bank and Gaza, and was not meant to go directly to the Palestinian Authority. The aid cut is expected to cause a deterioration in the humanitarian situation in Gaza.


Catholic workers say U.S. aid cuts to Palestinians could be disastrous

JERUSALEM — The United States budgetary cuts to humanitarian aid institutions helping Palestinians could lead to long-term disastrous consequences, said Catholic aid workers in the region.

...In early September, U.S. President Donald Trump said his administration would cut $200 million of aid to medical and humanitarian aid providers. He had already announced that the U.S. would withhold $350 million from the U.N. Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East -- amounting to more than one-quarter of the organization's annual budget.

DuBose said CRS' five-year $50-million program "Envision Gaza 2020" program, which is funded by USAID and provides food and necessity vouchers as well as short-term employment opportunities for Palestinians in Gaza, will be directly impacted by Trump's decision.

UNWRA does not help the Palestinians.
By forcing all that population to remain under a refugee banner, all they have been doing is harm them on a daily basis.

UNWRA and others like them, educate the Arabs against Israel and the Jews.
Help Hamas when possible to hide, out of fear or belief, rockets and any other weapons used against Israel as in 2014.

The Palestinian population, as refugees, is the only one in the world being used by the Arab leaders in order to be able to destroy a country, namely Israel.

The Palestinians, who also lost 78% of Palestine to the Hashemite tribe, have never been interested in getting back any part of that stolen land.
Never called it stolen Palestinian land. Not once since 1925. Not at all from 1948 to 1967.

Saying that the Palestinians are going to "suffer" because of $200 Million less from the US, and Belgium and whoever is food for rabbits. That is all.
Those who will believe anything will definitely believe that.

The Palestinian leaders have become masters at crying "FOUL" every time any money from the West does not get to them.

I do not hear them cry over any of the Muslim countries cutting or refusal to give anymore, especially when promised to them, aid of any kind.

Look at what happened after 2014, or the war before that.

All of those Arab countries can see that the Palestinian leaders are not serious about peace with Israel, that all the money they give to Gaza and the PA simple goes into the leaders pockets or gets wasted. It does NOT go to the population that needs it.

And now, for the past 10 years or so, have any of that aid go to pay Arabs for having wounded or killed Jews, or being wounded or killed in the process of wanting to kill Jews..........


Nowhere in the world, such a waste or circus is going on.

And it should not be happening in Gaza or the PA, either.

I don't care what Muslim countries do. I care what WE do.

Well I sure as hell care what Muslim countries do when it is detrimental to our country or our American allied countries. Is it really true didn't you didn't care about 911???

 

[Shusha]

It isn’t the presence of Jews. It is the building of new settlements in contested areas and moving people into them.

And gee all these settlements seem to be Jewish only. Any Arab ones are deemed illegal.

So yes. Ina contested a territory it certainly can be viewed as a hostile action and not because it is Jews.

Its not the presence of Jews but the "building of new settlements and moving (Jewish) people into them." Please explain to me the functional difference between those two things. Because they seem to be the same to me. (And Israel has not (until recently) built any new settlements in more than 20 years.)



As an aside, two families move into an area and begin farming in the early 1930s. Both are from foreign territories. Both have a continued presence in the territory that their families have been farming for generations. One family is considered to be "settlers". The other is not. What do you think the defining trait is?

Please explain to me whyonly Jewish settlements are legal.

Not true.. Did you ever visit the sites for the brand new "structured community" of Rawabi? That's Palestinian pressure to build out as well. And they got Israeli cooperation for water/power by being persistent and bringing in the first thousand new buyers. Better community living than in 75% of America..

Hotels, Convention Center, Shopping, Libraries, Schools. BRAND NEW Pali Production. Watch it. Learn how developed and thriving Palestinian life in Israel truely is. They are NOT ALL on WELFARE.

Yes, I had heard about it, a fantastic enterprise and a real success, thanks for pointing it out However they did not need Israeli permission to build it, it is entirely in Area C.

It is entirely in Area A.

But it's a useful Freudian slip. What is the objective standard for permission to build in Area C?

 

[Sixties Fan]

It isn’t the presence of Jews. It is the building of new settlements in contested areas and moving people into them.

And gee all these settlements seem to be Jewish only. Any Arab ones are deemed illegal.

So yes. Ina contested a territory it certainly can be viewed as a hostile action and not because it is Jews.

Its not the presence of Jews but the "building of new settlements and moving (Jewish) people into them." Please explain to me the functional difference between those two things. Because they seem to be the same to me. (And Israel has not (until recently) built any new settlements in more than 20 years.)



As an aside, two families move into an area and begin farming in the early 1930s. Both are from foreign territories. Both have a continued presence in the territory that their families have been farming for generations. One family is considered to be "settlers". The other is not. What do you think the defining trait is?

Please explain to me whyonly Jewish settlements are legal.

Not true.. Did you ever visit the sites for the brand new "structured community" of Rawabi? That's Palestinian pressure to build out as well. And they got Israeli cooperation for water/power by being persistent and bringing in the first thousand new buyers. Better community living than in 75% of America..

Hotels, Convention Center, Shopping, Libraries, Schools. BRAND NEW Pali Production. Watch it. Learn how developed and thriving Palestinian life in Israel truely is. They are NOT ALL on WELFARE.

Yes, I had heard about it, a fantastic enterprise and a real success, thanks for pointing it out However they did not need Israeli permission to build it, it is entirely in Area C.

It is extremely important to understand, via the Oslo Accords, why the EU needs permission from Israel to build on area C.

Both Jews and Arabs need permits to build in Area C.
----

MOST OF geographic Judea and Samaria (60% of the area) is designated Area C, over which Israel has exclusive jurisdiction both administratively and in security matters.

Area C’s distinguishing characteristic is that it is sparsely populated – by Arab or Jewish inhabitants.

Most of this area lies east of the populated mountain spine from Jenin in the north to Hebron in the south. The eastern slopes descending and including the Jordan Valley are characterized by harsh climate and low to no rainfall. The Jordan Valley, the South Hebron Hills and the area in the vicinity of Ma’aleh Adumim – from east of Mount Scopus to Jericho – are by far the most politically contested spaces in Area C, due to both Jewish settlement and Israeli security concerns.

Knowing your ABC


The PA never cared, and still does, to follow the Oslo Accords, be it by ending the incitement against Israel and Jews with the education in schools and media, or via respecting Area C or Israel.

As I put it before, they are using the Hudna, which is the waiting period from the time they lose a battle until they win the war, as it was during the time of Mohammad. And will continue to attempt to take control of as much land as they can without ever having to negotiate for it.

 

[Coyote]

※→ Shusha, et al,

I think I agree with our friend "Shusha."

Foreign Aid (the transfer of capital, goods, or services) is suppose to be a gesture of goodwill from one friendly nation to another friendly nation. We say "allies."

Where should our money go? What should the priorities be?
.

(COMMENT)

Let's face it... The Arab Palestinians are NOT friends with America.

I don't know exactly how we got into trouble here, but I find it odd that there are so many Arab Palestinians in America when the PEW Survey Report indicates that 75% of them consider America an "enemy."

I don't think that America should be giving any type of aid to the Arab Palestinian and their so-called state. And I don't think that America should allow a self-declared enemy to tell us who we should or should not give aid to.

America, over the period since the Oslo Accord (1993), was given the Palestinians about $5.2B in aid. My position is that we should NOT be entangled and obligated to provide an annual stipend to an enemy state.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why should we give it to Israel? They spie on us. They attempted to sabatoge the Iran deal until they finally had to be shut out. Why are we giving them aid?

Aid serves multiple purposes. We give aid to Egypt, who’s government ranks high in terms of human rights and civil rights abuses. We give aid to Myanmar, despite the horrific actions of its government...Rights Group: Blocking Aid to Displaced Myanmar Civilians a War Crime

We give humanitarian aid to Yemen, another country in crisis being bombarded by our ally while we look the other way. Yemen is not likely pro American.

Aid in these regions not only provides medical assistance but also education, especially for girls. You want to change minds? That is where you start. The real tragedy is you are giving Hamas an elevated platform to step in and take over. How good is that going to be?

I get that many in this forum despise Palestinians, it was never more evident than in this thread.

I guess we pick and choose and since Trump and Netanyahu are best buds the Palestinians will be the clear losers.

 

[Coyote]

It isn’t the presence of Jews. It is the building of new settlements in contested areas and moving people into them.

And gee all these settlements seem to be Jewish only. Any Arab ones are deemed illegal.

So yes. Ina contested a territory it certainly can be viewed as a hostile action and not because it is Jews.

Its not the presence of Jews but the "building of new settlements and moving (Jewish) people into them." Please explain to me the functional difference between those two things. Because they seem to be the same to me. (And Israel has not (until recently) built any new settlements in more than 20 years.)



As an aside, two families move into an area and begin farming in the early 1930s. Both are from foreign territories. Both have a continued presence in the territory that their families have been farming for generations. One family is considered to be "settlers". The other is not. What do you think the defining trait is?

Please explain to me whyonly Jewish settlements are legal.

Not true.. Did you ever visit the sites for the brand new "structured community" of Rawabi? That's Palestinian pressure to build out as well. And they got Israeli cooperation for water/power by being persistent and bringing in the first thousand new buyers. Better community living than in 75% of America..

Hotels, Convention Center, Shopping, Libraries, Schools. BRAND NEW Pali Production. Watch it. Learn how developed and thriving Palestinian life in Israel truely is. They are NOT ALL on WELFARE.

Yes, I had heard about it, a fantastic enterprise and a real success, thanks for pointing it out However they did not need Israeli permission to build it, it is entirely in Area C.

It is extremely important to understand, via the Oslo Accords, why the EU needs permission from Israel to build on area C.

Both Jews and Arabs need permits to build in Area C.
----

MOST OF geographic Judea and Samaria (60% of the area) is designated Area C, over which Israel has exclusive jurisdiction both administratively and in security matters.

Area C’s distinguishing characteristic is that it is sparsely populated – by Arab or Jewish inhabitants.

Most of this area lies east of the populated mountain spine from Jenin in the north to Hebron in the south. The eastern slopes descending and including the Jordan Valley are characterized by harsh climate and low to no rainfall. The Jordan Valley, the South Hebron Hills and the area in the vicinity of Ma’aleh Adumim – from east of Mount Scopus to Jericho – are by far the most politically contested spaces in Area C, due to both Jewish settlement and Israeli security concerns.

Knowing your ABC


The PA never cared, and still does, to follow the Oslo Accords, be it by ending the incitement against Israel and Jews with the education in schools and media, or via respecting Area C or Israel.

As I put it before, they are using the Hudna, which is the waiting period from the time they lose a battle until they win the war, as it was during the time of Mohammad. And will continue to attempt to take control of as much land as they can without ever having to negotiate for it.

My mistake, it isn’t Area C it is Area A.

 

[flacaltenn]

It isn’t the presence of Jews. It is the building of new settlements in contested areas and moving people into them.

And gee all these settlements seem to be Jewish only. Any Arab ones are deemed illegal.

So yes. Ina contested a territory it certainly can be viewed as a hostile action and not because it is Jews.

Its not the presence of Jews but the "building of new settlements and moving (Jewish) people into them." Please explain to me the functional difference between those two things. Because they seem to be the same to me. (And Israel has not (until recently) built any new settlements in more than 20 years.)



As an aside, two families move into an area and begin farming in the early 1930s. Both are from foreign territories. Both have a continued presence in the territory that their families have been farming for generations. One family is considered to be "settlers". The other is not. What do you think the defining trait is?

Please explain to me whyonly Jewish settlements are legal.

Not true.. Did you ever visit the sites for the brand new "structured community" of Rawabi? That's Palestinian pressure to build out as well. And they got Israeli cooperation for water/power by being persistent and bringing in the first thousand new buyers. Better community living than in 75% of America..

Hotels, Convention Center, Shopping, Libraries, Schools. BRAND NEW Pali Production. Watch it. Learn how developed and thriving Palestinian life in Israel truely is. They are NOT ALL on WELFARE.

Yes, I had heard about it, a fantastic enterprise and a real success, thanks for pointing it out However they did not need Israeli permission to build it, it is entirely in Area C.

AND -- they did not need USAID to get it done either. That's the point. What Palestinians need MORE than US aid is to have markets and trade with the wider Arab region, like Rylah just suggested. In the article I've written, the Palis live in the smack dab middle of those ancient trade routes that Western subjugation took from them. By connecting Jordan and Egypt with the Palestine Trade Route concept I'm pitching, Palis would HAVE that option to market to and from the neighbors. They could become a major warehousing and distribution center for the entire Middle East. And that business doesn't require arable land. It can hosted literally on land not fit for other uses.

Right now, I discovered that 80% of Palestinian exports go to Israel and total trade is 55% with Israel. It's a situation that Israel has become a bit too comfortable with. A captive sub-market that they can micromanage. It's in the interests of EVERYONE in that neighborhood to connect and prosper and renegotiate their trade dealings.

 

[Sixties Fan]

※→ Shusha, et al,

I think I agree with our friend "Shusha."

Foreign Aid (the transfer of capital, goods, or services) is suppose to be a gesture of goodwill from one friendly nation to another friendly nation. We say "allies."

Where should our money go? What should the priorities be?
.

(COMMENT)

Let's face it... The Arab Palestinians are NOT friends with America.

I don't know exactly how we got into trouble here, but I find it odd that there are so many Arab Palestinians in America when the PEW Survey Report indicates that 75% of them consider America an "enemy."

I don't think that America should be giving any type of aid to the Arab Palestinian and their so-called state. And I don't think that America should allow a self-declared enemy to tell us who we should or should not give aid to.

America, over the period since the Oslo Accord (1993), was given the Palestinians about $5.2B in aid. My position is that we should NOT be entangled and obligated to provide an annual stipend to an enemy state.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why should we give it to Israel? They spie on us. They attempted to sabatoge the Iran deal until they finally had to be shut out. Why are we giving them aid?

Aid serves multiple purposes. We give aid to Egypt, who’s government ranks high in terms of human rights and civil rights abuses. We give aid to Myanmar, despite the horrific actions of its government...Rights Group: Blocking Aid to Displaced Myanmar Civilians a War Crime

We give humanitarian aid to Yemen, another country in crisis being bombarded by our ally while we look the other way. Yemen is not likely pro American.

Aid in these regions not only provides medical assistance but also education, especially for girls. You want to change minds? That is where you start. The real tragedy is you are giving Hamas an elevated platform to step in and take over. How good is that going to be?

I get that many in this forum despise Palestinians, it was never more evident than in this thread.

I guess we pick and choose and since Trump and Netanyahu are best buds the Palestinians will be the clear losers.

One does not look at whether the country is enemy or friend.

That is not how the Red Cross or any other organization works when it comes to help the population which ends up suffering because of wars, disasters, etc

There are different reasons why each country is given aid.
With Egypt it was negotiated during the Peace Treaty.

We despise terrorists, not the victim population which is turned to helping them because of their ideology or because they do not know any better.

And there are plenty of Palestinians who are pro Israel, just as there are pro Israel Arabs in every Arab country and also in Iranians in Iran.

If you insist in painting it as a black and white issue, then there are no solutions.

Israel made a huge mistake with the Oslo Accords which the Arabs took advantage of to return and try to take away the rest of the Mandate from the Jewish people.

The Arabs under the Arab League and Arab leaders are the losers. They have no power and are fed on a daily basis endless hatred for Israel and the Jews.

That is how one makes a loser. By repeating lie after lie, in order to try to achieve a goal.

The Arab League and Arab leaders goal is the destruction of Israel.

Period.

 

[Shusha]

Wait what?! THIS thread is evidence that we 'despise Palestinians"?

Seriously?!

This thread has had none but the most educated and thoughtful posters participating. It has been largely free from the nasty one liners and personal attacks and ugliness which can occur on other threads.

The pro-Israel side on this thread is represented by Rocco, rylah, Sixties and myself. You think our bottom line is that we "despise Palestinians "?

 

[Coyote]

It isn’t the presence of Jews. It is the building of new settlements in contested areas and moving people into them.

And gee all these settlements seem to be Jewish only. Any Arab ones are deemed illegal.

So yes. Ina contested a territory it certainly can be viewed as a hostile action and not because it is Jews.

Its not the presence of Jews but the "building of new settlements and moving (Jewish) people into them." Please explain to me the functional difference between those two things. Because they seem to be the same to me. (And Israel has not (until recently) built any new settlements in more than 20 years.)



As an aside, two families move into an area and begin farming in the early 1930s. Both are from foreign territories. Both have a continued presence in the territory that their families have been farming for generations. One family is considered to be "settlers". The other is not. What do you think the defining trait is?

Please explain to me whyonly Jewish settlements are legal.

Not true.. Did you ever visit the sites for the brand new "structured community" of Rawabi? That's Palestinian pressure to build out as well. And they got Israeli cooperation for water/power by being persistent and bringing in the first thousand new buyers. Better community living than in 75% of America..

Hotels, Convention Center, Shopping, Libraries, Schools. BRAND NEW Pali Production. Watch it. Learn how developed and thriving Palestinian life in Israel truely is. They are NOT ALL on WELFARE.

Yes, I had heard about it, a fantastic enterprise and a real success, thanks for pointing it out However they did not need Israeli permission to build it, it is entirely in Area C.

AND -- they did not need USAID to get it done either. That's the point. What Palestinians need MORE than US aid is to have markets and trade with the wider Arab region, like Rylah just suggested. In the article I've written, the Palis live in the smack dab middle of those ancient trade routes that Western subjugation took from them. By connecting Jordan and Egypt with the Palestine Trade Route concept I'm pitching, Palis would HAVE that option to market to and from the neighbors. They could become a major warehousing and distribution center for the entire Middle East. And that business doesn't require arable land. It can hosted literally on land not fit for other uses.

Right now, I discovered that 80% of Palestinian exports go to Israel and total trade is 55% with Israel. It's a situation that Israel has become a bit too comfortable with. A captive sub-market that they can micromanage. It's in the interests of EVERYONE in that neighborhood to connect and prosper and renegotiate their trade dealings.

Did you read the OP article? Because it suggested using the aid in more innovative ways to make some of those types of changes.

 

[Coyote]

※→ Shusha, et al,

I think I agree with our friend "Shusha."

Foreign Aid (the transfer of capital, goods, or services) is suppose to be a gesture of goodwill from one friendly nation to another friendly nation. We say "allies."

Where should our money go? What should the priorities be?
.

(COMMENT)

Let's face it... The Arab Palestinians are NOT friends with America.

I don't know exactly how we got into trouble here, but I find it odd that there are so many Arab Palestinians in America when the PEW Survey Report indicates that 75% of them consider America an "enemy."

I don't think that America should be giving any type of aid to the Arab Palestinian and their so-called state. And I don't think that America should allow a self-declared enemy to tell us who we should or should not give aid to.

America, over the period since the Oslo Accord (1993), was given the Palestinians about $5.2B in aid. My position is that we should NOT be entangled and obligated to provide an annual stipend to an enemy state.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why should we give it to Israel? They spie on us. They attempted to sabatoge the Iran deal until they finally had to be shut out. Why are we giving them aid?

Aid serves multiple purposes. We give aid to Egypt, who’s government ranks high in terms of human rights and civil rights abuses. We give aid to Myanmar, despite the horrific actions of its government...Rights Group: Blocking Aid to Displaced Myanmar Civilians a War Crime

We give humanitarian aid to Yemen, another country in crisis being bombarded by our ally while we look the other way. Yemen is not likely pro American.

Aid in these regions not only provides medical assistance but also education, especially for girls. You want to change minds? That is where you start. The real tragedy is you are giving Hamas an elevated platform to step in and take over. How good is that going to be?

I get that many in this forum despise Palestinians, it was never more evident than in this thread.

I guess we pick and choose and since Trump and Netanyahu are best buds the Palestinians will be the clear losers.

One does not look at whether the country is enemy or friend.

That is not how the Red Cross or any other organization works when it comes to help the population which ends up suffering because of wars, disasters, etc

There are different reasons why each country is given aid.
With Egypt it was negotiated during the Peace Treaty.

We despise terrorists, not the victim population which is turned to helping them because of their ideology or because they do not know any better.

And there are plenty of Palestinians who are pro Israel, just as there are pro Israel Arabs in every Arab country and also in Iranians in Iran.

If you insist in painting it as a black and white issue, then there are no solutions.

Israel made a huge mistake with the Oslo Accords which the Arabs took advantage of to return and try to take away the rest of the Mandate from the Jewish people.

The Arabs under the Arab League and Arab leaders are the losers. They have no power and are fed on a daily basis endless hatred for Israel and the Jews.

That is how one makes a loser. By repeating lie after lie, in order to try to achieve a goal.

The Arab League and Arab leaders goal is the destruction of Israel.

Period.

Wait what?! THIS thread is evidence that we 'despise Palestinians"?

Seriously?!

This thread has had none but the most educated and thoughtful posters participating. It has been largely free from the nasty one liners and personal attacks and ugliness which can occur on other threads.

The pro-Israel side on this thread is represented by Rocco, rylah, Sixties and myself. You think our bottom line is that we "despise Palestinians "?

It frankly sounds like you are celebrating the cutting off humanitarian aid which affects the must vulnerable among the Palestinians. You despise terrorists so you are willing to punish the entire population as a result.

 

[Coyote]

※→ Shusha, et al,

I think I agree with our friend "Shusha."

Foreign Aid (the transfer of capital, goods, or services) is suppose to be a gesture of goodwill from one friendly nation to another friendly nation. We say "allies."

Where should our money go? What should the priorities be?
.

(COMMENT)

Let's face it... The Arab Palestinians are NOT friends with America.

I don't know exactly how we got into trouble here, but I find it odd that there are so many Arab Palestinians in America when the PEW Survey Report indicates that 75% of them consider America an "enemy."

I don't think that America should be giving any type of aid to the Arab Palestinian and their so-called state. And I don't think that America should allow a self-declared enemy to tell us who we should or should not give aid to.

America, over the period since the Oslo Accord (1993), was given the Palestinians about $5.2B in aid. My position is that we should NOT be entangled and obligated to provide an annual stipend to an enemy state.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why should we give it to Israel? They spie on us. They attempted to sabatoge the Iran deal until they finally had to be shut out. Why are we giving them aid?

Aid serves multiple purposes. We give aid to Egypt, who’s government ranks high in terms of human rights and civil rights abuses. We give aid to Myanmar, despite the horrific actions of its government...Rights Group: Blocking Aid to Displaced Myanmar Civilians a War Crime

We give humanitarian aid to Yemen, another country in crisis being bombarded by our ally while we look the other way. Yemen is not likely pro American.

Aid in these regions not only provides medical assistance but also education, especially for girls. You want to change minds? That is where you start. The real tragedy is you are giving Hamas an elevated platform to step in and take over. How good is that going to be?

I get that many in this forum despise Palestinians, it was never more evident than in this thread.

I guess we pick and choose and since Trump and Netanyahu are best buds the Palestinians will be the clear losers.

One does not look at whether the country is enemy or friend.

That is not how the Red Cross or any other organization works when it comes to help the population which ends up suffering because of wars, disasters, etc

There are different reasons why each country is given aid.
With Egypt it was negotiated during the Peace Treaty.

We despise terrorists, not the victim population which is turned to helping them because of their ideology or because they do not know any better.

And there are plenty of Palestinians who are pro Israel, just as there are pro Israel Arabs in every Arab country and also in Iranians in Iran.

If you insist in painting it as a black and white issue, then there are no solutions.

Israel made a huge mistake with the Oslo Accords which the Arabs took advantage of to return and try to take away the rest of the Mandate from the Jewish people.

The Arabs under the Arab League and Arab leaders are the losers. They have no power and are fed on a daily basis endless hatred for Israel and the Jews.

That is how one makes a loser. By repeating lie after lie, in order to try to achieve a goal.

The Arab League and Arab leaders goal is the destruction of Israel.

Period.

Exactly! The part I bolded I totally agree with. So why then are peop,e supporting cutting Palestinian aid because they aren’t pro American?

 

[Shusha]

※→ Shusha, et al,

I think I agree with our friend "Shusha."

Foreign Aid (the transfer of capital, goods, or services) is suppose to be a gesture of goodwill from one friendly nation to another friendly nation. We say "allies."

Where should our money go? What should the priorities be?
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(COMMENT)

Let's face it... The Arab Palestinians are NOT friends with America.

I don't know exactly how we got into trouble here, but I find it odd that there are so many Arab Palestinians in America when the PEW Survey Report indicates that 75% of them consider America an "enemy."

I don't think that America should be giving any type of aid to the Arab Palestinian and their so-called state. And I don't think that America should allow a self-declared enemy to tell us who we should or should not give aid to.

America, over the period since the Oslo Accord (1993), was given the Palestinians about $5.2B in aid. My position is that we should NOT be entangled and obligated to provide an annual stipend to an enemy state.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why should we give it to Israel? They spie on us. They attempted to sabatoge the Iran deal until they finally had to be shut out. Why are we giving them aid?

Aid serves multiple purposes. We give aid to Egypt, who’s government ranks high in terms of human rights and civil rights abuses. We give aid to Myanmar, despite the horrific actions of its government...Rights Group: Blocking Aid to Displaced Myanmar Civilians a War Crime

We give humanitarian aid to Yemen, another country in crisis being bombarded by our ally while we look the other way. Yemen is not likely pro American.

Aid in these regions not only provides medical assistance but also education, especially for girls. You want to change minds? That is where you start. The real tragedy is you are giving Hamas an elevated platform to step in and take over. How good is that going to be?

I get that many in this forum despise Palestinians, it was never more evident than in this thread.

I guess we pick and choose and since Trump and Netanyahu are best buds the Palestinians will be the clear losers.

One does not look at whether the country is enemy or friend.

That is not how the Red Cross or any other organization works when it comes to help the population which ends up suffering because of wars, disasters, etc

There are different reasons why each country is given aid.
With Egypt it was negotiated during the Peace Treaty.

We despise terrorists, not the victim population which is turned to helping them because of their ideology or because they do not know any better.

And there are plenty of Palestinians who are pro Israel, just as there are pro Israel Arabs in every Arab country and also in Iranians in Iran.

If you insist in painting it as a black and white issue, then there are no solutions.

Israel made a huge mistake with the Oslo Accords which the Arabs took advantage of to return and try to take away the rest of the Mandate from the Jewish people.

The Arabs under the Arab League and Arab leaders are the losers. They have no power and are fed on a daily basis endless hatred for Israel and the Jews.

That is how one makes a loser. By repeating lie after lie, in order to try to achieve a goal.

The Arab League and Arab leaders goal is the destruction of Israel.

Period.

Wait what?! THIS thread is evidence that we 'despise Palestinians"?

Seriously?!

This thread has had none but the most educated and thoughtful posters participating. It has been largely free from the nasty one liners and personal attacks and ugliness which can occur on other threads.

The pro-Israel side on this thread is represented by Rocco, rylah, Sixties and myself. You think our bottom line is that we "despise Palestinians "?

It frankly sounds like you are celebrating the cutting off humanitarian aid which affects the must vulnerable among the Palestinians. You despise terrorists so you are willing to punish the entire population as a result.

Willing to "punish" the entire population? Not even in the slightest.

Only want the proper people - their own government - to take responsibility for them. The HORROR.

On the other hand, I don't see why anyone would support a government who celebrates the murder of Jews with lifelong wages. It's disgusting.

 

[P F Tinmore]

No Jew was permitted to live in Judea and Samaria during the Jordanian occupation.

Looking back: the right of the Jewish people to settle in the WHOLE of the Mandated territory. Article 6 of the Mandate encouraged "close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands not required for public use."

That was for Palestinian citizens.

 

[Coyote]

※→ Shusha, et al,

I think I agree with our friend "Shusha."

Foreign Aid (the transfer of capital, goods, or services) is suppose to be a gesture of goodwill from one friendly nation to another friendly nation. We say "allies."

Where should our money go? What should the priorities be?
.

(COMMENT)

Let's face it... The Arab Palestinians are NOT friends with America.

I don't know exactly how we got into trouble here, but I find it odd that there are so many Arab Palestinians in America when the PEW Survey Report indicates that 75% of them consider America an "enemy."

I don't think that America should be giving any type of aid to the Arab Palestinian and their so-called state. And I don't think that America should allow a self-declared enemy to tell us who we should or should not give aid to.

America, over the period since the Oslo Accord (1993), was given the Palestinians about $5.2B in aid. My position is that we should NOT be entangled and obligated to provide an annual stipend to an enemy state.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why should we give it to Israel? They spie on us. They attempted to sabatoge the Iran deal until they finally had to be shut out. Why are we giving them aid?

Aid serves multiple purposes. We give aid to Egypt, who’s government ranks high in terms of human rights and civil rights abuses. We give aid to Myanmar, despite the horrific actions of its government...Rights Group: Blocking Aid to Displaced Myanmar Civilians a War Crime

We give humanitarian aid to Yemen, another country in crisis being bombarded by our ally while we look the other way. Yemen is not likely pro American.

Aid in these regions not only provides medical assistance but also education, especially for girls. You want to change minds? That is where you start. The real tragedy is you are giving Hamas an elevated platform to step in and take over. How good is that going to be?

I get that many in this forum despise Palestinians, it was never more evident than in this thread.

I guess we pick and choose and since Trump and Netanyahu are best buds the Palestinians will be the clear losers.

One does not look at whether the country is enemy or friend.

That is not how the Red Cross or any other organization works when it comes to help the population which ends up suffering because of wars, disasters, etc

There are different reasons why each country is given aid.
With Egypt it was negotiated during the Peace Treaty.

We despise terrorists, not the victim population which is turned to helping them because of their ideology or because they do not know any better.

And there are plenty of Palestinians who are pro Israel, just as there are pro Israel Arabs in every Arab country and also in Iranians in Iran.

If you insist in painting it as a black and white issue, then there are no solutions.

Israel made a huge mistake with the Oslo Accords which the Arabs took advantage of to return and try to take away the rest of the Mandate from the Jewish people.

The Arabs under the Arab League and Arab leaders are the losers. They have no power and are fed on a daily basis endless hatred for Israel and the Jews.

That is how one makes a loser. By repeating lie after lie, in order to try to achieve a goal.

The Arab League and Arab leaders goal is the destruction of Israel.

Period.

Wait what?! THIS thread is evidence that we 'despise Palestinians"?

Seriously?!

This thread has had none but the most educated and thoughtful posters participating. It has been largely free from the nasty one liners and personal attacks and ugliness which can occur on other threads.

The pro-Israel side on this thread is represented by Rocco, rylah, Sixties and myself. You think our bottom line is that we "despise Palestinians "?

It frankly sounds like you are celebrating the cutting off humanitarian aid which affects the must vulnerable among the Palestinians. You despise terrorists so you are willing to punish the entire population as a result.

Willing to "punish" the entire population? Not even in the slightest.

Only want the proper people - their own government - to take responsibility for them. The HORROR.

On the other hand, I don't see why anyone would support a government who celebrates the murder of Jews with lifelong wages. It's disgusting.

Who is really affected by cutting humanitarian aid? Much of what is cut doesn’t go through the government. If the governments alone should be taking care of their people why are we giving any aid to anyone? Or does this only apply to the Palestinians?

And who is helped? Hamas.

 

[Coyote]

It isn’t the presence of Jews. It is the building of new settlements in contested areas and moving people into them.

And gee all these settlements seem to be Jewish only. Any Arab ones are deemed illegal.

So yes. Ina contested a territory it certainly can be viewed as a hostile action and not because it is Jews.

Its not the presence of Jews but the "building of new settlements and moving (Jewish) people into them." Please explain to me the functional difference between those two things. Because they seem to be the same to me. (And Israel has not (until recently) built any new settlements in more than 20 years.)



As an aside, two families move into an area and begin farming in the early 1930s. Both are from foreign territories. Both have a continued presence in the territory that their families have been farming for generations. One family is considered to be "settlers". The other is not. What do you think the defining trait is?

Please explain to me whyonly Jewish settlements are legal.

Not true.. Did you ever visit the sites for the brand new "structured community" of Rawabi? That's Palestinian pressure to build out as well. And they got Israeli cooperation for water/power by being persistent and bringing in the first thousand new buyers. Better community living than in 75% of America..

Hotels, Convention Center, Shopping, Libraries, Schools. BRAND NEW Pali Production. Watch it. Learn how developed and thriving Palestinian life in Israel truely is. They are NOT ALL on WELFARE.

Yes, I had heard about it, a fantastic enterprise and a real success, thanks for pointing it out However they did not need Israeli permission to build it, it is entirely in Area C.

It is extremely important to understand, via the Oslo Accords, why the EU needs permission from Israel to build on area C.

Both Jews and Arabs need permits to build in Area C.
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MOST OF geographic Judea and Samaria (60% of the area) is designated Area C, over which Israel has exclusive jurisdiction both administratively and in security matters.

Area C’s distinguishing characteristic is that it is sparsely populated – by Arab or Jewish inhabitants.

Most of this area lies east of the populated mountain spine from Jenin in the north to Hebron in the south. The eastern slopes descending and including the Jordan Valley are characterized by harsh climate and low to no rainfall. The Jordan Valley, the South Hebron Hills and the area in the vicinity of Ma’aleh Adumim – from east of Mount Scopus to Jericho – are by far the most politically contested spaces in Area C, due to both Jewish settlement and Israeli security concerns.

Knowing your ABC


The PA never cared, and still does, to follow the Oslo Accords, be it by ending the incitement against Israel and Jews with the education in schools and media, or via respecting Area C or Israel.

As I put it before, they are using the Hudna, which is the waiting period from the time they lose a battle until they win the war, as it was during the time of Mohammad. And will continue to attempt to take control of as much land as they can without ever having to negotiate for it.

Area C has another distinguishing characteristic. Most of the resources.

Area C (West Bank) - Wikipedia
Area C is richly endowed with natural resources, including most of Palestinian agricultural and grazing land. It is the only contiguous part of the West Bank, thus all large scale projects involve work in Area C.[1]:

No wonder Israel wants it...61% of the West Bank.

 

[flacaltenn]

Its not the presence of Jews but the "building of new settlements and moving (Jewish) people into them." Please explain to me the functional difference between those two things. Because they seem to be the same to me. (And Israel has not (until recently) built any new settlements in more than 20 years.)



As an aside, two families move into an area and begin farming in the early 1930s. Both are from foreign territories. Both have a continued presence in the territory that their families have been farming for generations. One family is considered to be "settlers". The other is not. What do you think the defining trait is?

Please explain to me whyonly Jewish settlements are legal.

Not true.. Did you ever visit the sites for the brand new "structured community" of Rawabi? That's Palestinian pressure to build out as well. And they got Israeli cooperation for water/power by being persistent and bringing in the first thousand new buyers. Better community living than in 75% of America..

Hotels, Convention Center, Shopping, Libraries, Schools. BRAND NEW Pali Production. Watch it. Learn how developed and thriving Palestinian life in Israel truely is. They are NOT ALL on WELFARE.

Yes, I had heard about it, a fantastic enterprise and a real success, thanks for pointing it out However they did not need Israeli permission to build it, it is entirely in Area C.

AND -- they did not need USAID to get it done either. That's the point. What Palestinians need MORE than US aid is to have markets and trade with the wider Arab region, like Rylah just suggested. In the article I've written, the Palis live in the smack dab middle of those ancient trade routes that Western subjugation took from them. By connecting Jordan and Egypt with the Palestine Trade Route concept I'm pitching, Palis would HAVE that option to market to and from the neighbors. They could become a major warehousing and distribution center for the entire Middle East. And that business doesn't require arable land. It can hosted literally on land not fit for other uses.

Right now, I discovered that 80% of Palestinian exports go to Israel and total trade is 55% with Israel. It's a situation that Israel has become a bit too comfortable with. A captive sub-market that they can micromanage. It's in the interests of EVERYONE in that neighborhood to connect and prosper and renegotiate their trade dealings.

Did you read the OP article? Because it suggested using the aid in more innovative ways to make some of those types of changes.

Like I said USAID sucks at innovation and locally targeted aid. It's the NGOs that can make those changes and get the funds more directly targeted. USAID cannot BYPASS the PA.. That's a diplomatic no-no.. It would undermine the authority that they THINK they have.