Republicans want to decrease turnout by pretending to think that mail ballots will result in fraud.

[kyzr]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Just more ways for people to cheat that are as untraceable as possible.

It's amazing how progressives seem to love voting methods that are easier to falsify.

Trump loves absentee ballots.

True, Trump does like absentee ballots. A real person requests a ballot.
Trump hates when dems send out ballots to EVERYONE, dead people, dead cats, dead dogs, live dogs & cats, everything and everyone. So the ballots can be "harvested".

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Because in person voting has never been “good enough”. Many people are away on Election Day. Many are not physically able to go stand on line for an hour.

This is complete bullshit, because every state now has early voting, where weeks in advance of election day, all the polls are open every day. It is another bullshit excuse.

With a deadly infection rampant, there is no reason for Government to insist people risk exposure

But it's OK for people to go around "protesting" in pretty close proximity to each other?

Yeah, we're not buying that bullshit.

Many states already have 100 percent mail in voting.

Good thing most of the swing states are not.

Texas won't, thanks to the Supreme Court. So, say goodbye to that "blue wave" in the Lone Star State.

There is no reason NOT to have mail in voting during a pandemic

except that we have already found examples of potential fraud and nobody seemed to give a shit about a pandemic while out "protesting" and ignoring social distancing and mask wearing.

What is the point of masking and social distancing if it will do nothing to protect people at the polls (but ignore those "protester")?

all polls ARE NOT OPENED for early voting in this pandemic.

didn't you see the complete madness for the primary elections? some states.. closed all of the local voting spots near citizen's homes and made one big ass voting spot, where people had to wait up to 6 hours in line, in order to vote.... and find a way to get to this new far away voting spot.....

YOU ARE TRYING to disenfranchise citizens, of their vote..... you know it, I know it, we all know it....


it is the ONLY WAY Reublicans can win.... they HAVE TO disenfranchise citizens of their vote.

In Texas they are.

Maybe your state sucks donkey ass?

Either way, mail-in will disenfranchise voters by making them pay for postage.

So, **** off.

 

[B. Kidd]

My state, Nevada, has already announced that we cannot literally afford doing mail-in ballots.
By the time the election rolls around, for sure we won't be the only one.

 

[Care4all]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Democrats need to be wary of President Trump accusing democrats of mail in voter fraud,

he ALWAYS accuses the democrats, of what he actually does or is doing or is going to do.... from my observations of him...

so when they keep saying mail in voting has little fraud, he can use it against them, when he does his own cheating thru voter fraud....!

Vote fraud is very real with mail in voting..

CBS did a voting by mail experiment and some 90% of the ballots were lost or misplaced. And that was with a fake balloting. Worse still, after investigations found some ballots,as this was done in California where the party affiliation is marked on the envelope, the conservative/republican ballots were lost or destroyed almost entirely and only democrat ballots were found.

This means that the people handling them were acting as judges in the election and discarding or destroying the ballots.

Mail in has serious problems because of the number of people who handle the ballots.

that's what the money is for, that democrats recommended.... so states can fund the measures it would take to safely and securely vote absentee mail in.......

fund the post offices so they have more workers during this period, and fund setting up Ballot Drop off boxes in neighborhoods or drive thru drop boxes.... so the post office will not be overwhelmed.... the 6 states that ONLY have mail in voting have worked out the kinks, over the years.... look at their measures.... hire more election vote counters for absentee voter increases....

Republicans will complain that mail in ballots are not totally secure. But they will block any funding to increase security

i just find it hard to accept this defeatist attitude of all of these naysayer trumpists.... we are gosh darn Americans for goodness sake! WE CAN figure out the best measures needed to make this work, and not disenfranchise millions of Americans who are at risk or afraid of catching the virus if they vote in person, or afraid they won't have the 6 hours waiting in line to cast their vote.....

the 6 states that have done only mail in voting for near two decades can tell other governors how they do it to keep this voting safe, with little to no fraud..... we can do this....and no ones vote has to be squashed and disenfranchised.

most states will not go ALL MAIL IN VOTE, they will have in person voting as well, and I'm fine with that.... but the only way to have in person voting in a safe manner, is to expand their mail in voting.....

 

[B. Kidd]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Democrats need to be wary of President Trump accusing democrats of mail in voter fraud,

he ALWAYS accuses the democrats, of what he actually does or is doing or is going to do.... from my observations of him...

so when they keep saying mail in voting has little fraud, he can use it against them, when he does his own cheating thru voter fraud....!

Vote fraud is very real with mail in voting..

CBS did a voting by mail experiment and some 90% of the ballots were lost or misplaced. And that was with a fake balloting. Worse still, after investigations found some ballots,as this was done in California where the party affiliation is marked on the envelope, the conservative/republican ballots were lost or destroyed almost entirely and only democrat ballots were found.

This means that the people handling them were acting as judges in the election and discarding or destroying the ballots.

Mail in has serious problems because of the number of people who handle the ballots.

that's what the money is for, that democrats recommended.... so states can fund the measures it would take to safely and securely vote absentee mail in.......

fund the post offices so they have more workers during this period, and fund setting up Ballot Drop off boxes in neighborhoods or drive thru drop boxes.... so the post office will not be overwhelmed.... the 6 states that ONLY have mail in voting have worked out the kinks, over the years.... look at their measures.... hire more election vote counters for absentee voter increases....

Republicans will complain that mail in ballots are not totally secure. But they will block any funding to increase security

i just find it hard to accept this defeatist attitude of all of these naysayer trumpists.... we are gosh darn Americans for goodness sake! WE CAN figure out the best measures needed to make this work, and not disenfranchise millions of Americans who are at risk or afraid of catching the virus if they vote in person, or afraid they won't have the 6 hours waiting in line to cast their vote.....

the 6 states that have done only mail in voting for near two decades can tell other governors how they do it to keep this voting safe, with little to no fraud..... we can do this....and no ones vote has to be squashed and disenfranchised.

most states will not go ALL MAIL IN VOTE, they will have in person voting as well, and I'm fine with that.... but the only way to have in person voting in a safe manner, is to expand their mail in voting.....

Welcome to the age of the Wuhanvirus.

No tickee, no laundry!

 

[Care4all]

Because in person voting has never been “good enough”. Many people are away on Election Day. Many are not physically able to go stand on line for an hour.

This is complete bullshit, because every state now has early voting, where weeks in advance of election day, all the polls are open every day. It is another bullshit excuse.

With a deadly infection rampant, there is no reason for Government to insist people risk exposure

But it's OK for people to go around "protesting" in pretty close proximity to each other?

Yeah, we're not buying that bullshit.

Many states already have 100 percent mail in voting.

Good thing most of the swing states are not.

Texas won't, thanks to the Supreme Court. So, say goodbye to that "blue wave" in the Lone Star State.

There is no reason NOT to have mail in voting during a pandemic

except that we have already found examples of potential fraud and nobody seemed to give a shit about a pandemic while out "protesting" and ignoring social distancing and mask wearing.

What is the point of masking and social distancing if it will do nothing to protect people at the polls (but ignore those "protester")?

all polls ARE NOT OPENED for early voting in this pandemic.

didn't you see the complete madness for the primary elections? some states.. closed all of the local voting spots near citizen's homes and made one big ass voting spot, where people had to wait up to 6 hours in line, in order to vote.... and find a way to get to this new far away voting spot.....

YOU ARE TRYING to disenfranchise citizens, of their vote..... you know it, I know it, we all know it....


it is the ONLY WAY Reublicans can win.... they HAVE TO disenfranchise citizens of their vote.

In Texas they are.

Maybe your state sucks donkey ass?

Either way, mail-in will disenfranchise voters by making them pay for postage.

So, **** off.

Why are you such a hateful, sourpuss, pissant? Is your life, really that shitty?

 

[colfax_m]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Just more ways for people to cheat that are as untraceable as possible.

It's amazing how progressives seem to love voting methods that are easier to falsify.

Trump loves absentee ballots.

True, Trump does like absentee ballots. A real person requests a ballot.
Trump hates when dems send out ballots to EVERYONE, dead people, dead cats, dead dogs, live dogs & cats, everything and everyone. So the ballots can be "harvested".

You mean like those Dems do in Utah?

 

[BigDave]

A never ending flood of bullshit from the Communist Democrats

 

[ThisIsMe]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

An ID is not required to legally buy a firearm in Texas..

How To Buy A Gun

8r3bLyv322Z2

texasgunexperience.com

.

 

[BULLDOG]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

An ID is not required to legally buy a firearm in Texas..

How To Buy A Gun

8r3bLyv322Z2

texasgunexperience.com

.

ID is required to purchase a gun from a licensed dealer in Texas. Purchase from an individual who is not a licensed dealer requires no paperwork, no background check, no ID, The purchaser is not even required to provide his name or any identifying information,

 

[Seawytch]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

Why? Because you say so? There are millions more people on the planet than when voting in the United States began. Voting should adapt as a result. You may die before it happens but we WILL be voting online within 20 years.

Online voting will be the death of the Republic.

Voting is a once a year thing, maybe 2-3 times for primaries and special elections. Make Election day a National Holiday, and have a 24 vote window to get people who have to work and work nights.

Making it a holiday is a step in the right direction, but that ship has sailed. You've heard the phrase "so goes California, so goes the nation"? California was already voting primarily by mail before this pandemic. Once more people get exposed to the ease and convenience of voting by mail, they won't go back to archaic polling places.

And like it or not, todays youth does EVERYTHING online. When they are running the country, we will be voting online. The seeds have been sown with Remote Accessible Vote by Mail (RAVBAM). (Which will also be available to al California voters in November.)

Just more ways for people to cheat that are as untraceable as possible.

It's amazing how progressives seem to love voting methods that are easier to falsify.

Cheat how? How is it "easier to falsify"?

 

[Seawytch]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

If there’s a risk of fraud for absentee voting, there’s a risk of fraud for mail in voting.

Why would you accept a little fraud?

Sorry. If everyone can’t do it, no one should.

The risk is smaller because of the smaller # of absentee ballots.

Voting should be onsite, and 1 day, a 24 hour period from say 9 PM local time the night before to 9 PM the night of election day.

Absentee ballots for cause only.

bull crud on absentee for cause only, admiral! That's up to each individual state...

i vote with no cause, absentee every election..... and wouldn't want it any other way... I love getting the ballot and going through each candidate..... and going through any referendum questions.... it takes me 2 to 4 weeks going through them all.... before I cast my vote!

And even when I worked, IT WAS A TIME SAVER, to vote by mail.... not having to know whether I'd be in town or miss some meeting because I was standing in line to vote.... was less stressful!

How do we know it's you voting?

The signature on the envelope matches the signature on file....Duh

 

[BULLDOG]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

An ID is not required to legally buy a firearm in Texas..

How To Buy A Gun

8r3bLyv322Z2

texasgunexperience.com

.

Texas HB195 | 2019-2020 | 86th Legislature

Bill Text (2019-02-13) Relating to the creation of certain criminal offenses concerning firearm sales at gun shows; authorizing a fee. [Referred to Criminal Jurisprudence]

legiscan.com

 

[Seawytch]

Because in person voting has never been “good enough”. Many people are away on Election Day. Many are not physically able to go stand on line for an hour.

This is complete bullshit, because every state now has early voting, where weeks in advance of election day, all the polls are open every day. It is another bullshit excuse.

With a deadly infection rampant, there is no reason for Government to insist people risk exposure

But it's OK for people to go around "protesting" in pretty close proximity to each other?

Yeah, we're not buying that bullshit.

Many states already have 100 percent mail in voting.

Good thing most of the swing states are not.

Texas won't, thanks to the Supreme Court. So, say goodbye to that "blue wave" in the Lone Star State.

There is no reason NOT to have mail in voting during a pandemic

except that we have already found examples of potential fraud and nobody seemed to give a shit about a pandemic while out "protesting" and ignoring social distancing and mask wearing.

What is the point of masking and social distancing if it will do nothing to protect people at the polls (but ignore those "protester")?

all polls ARE NOT OPENED for early voting in this pandemic.

didn't you see the complete madness for the primary elections? some states.. closed all of the local voting spots near citizen's homes and made one big ass voting spot, where people had to wait up to 6 hours in line, in order to vote.... and find a way to get to this new far away voting spot.....

YOU ARE TRYING to disenfranchise citizens, of their vote..... you know it, I know it, we all know it....


it is the ONLY WAY Reublicans can win.... they HAVE TO disenfranchise citizens of their vote.

In Texas they are.

Maybe your state sucks donkey ass?

Either way, mail-in will disenfranchise voters by making them pay for postage.

So, **** off.

California is paying the postage. Guess you can "**** off" now.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Republicans have been pushing for more mail in ballots for years... they've had an entire party push for them over the years in several states....

No we haven't.

Republicans have long worked to suppress voting rights in an effort to maintain their minority rule.

Voter ‘ID’ laws, gerrymandering, and closing voting venues in minority communities are but a few examples, along with the right’s unwarranted hostility toward early voting and voting on weekends.

The lie conservatives are propagating that voting by mail will result in ‘fraud’ is the most recent addition to Republicans’ reprehensible record concerning the right to vote.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

An ID is not required to legally buy a firearm in Texas..

How To Buy A Gun

8r3bLyv322Z2

texasgunexperience.com

.

ID is required to purchase a gun from a licensed dealer in Texas. Purchase from an individual who is not a licensed dealer requires no paperwork, no background check, no ID, The purchaser is not even required to provide his name or any identifying information,

Sorry, you didn't make that distinction in your original comment.

But isn't that the case anywhere? Sounds like you are asking about 2 individuals making a transaction. I would assume that in any state, if one individual is selling a gun to another individual, he is not going to ask for an ID. In this case, the term "legally" wouldn't apply, since legality would really be used in a retail sales environment.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Republicans don't think mail ballots are unsafe. Republicans are just pretending to think so in order to force as many in-person votes as possible. This is because Republican voters are more likely to be unafraid to be exposed to coronavirus (due to their ignorance about risk posed by being in a crowd). Democrats are more likely to be afraid of being out there in a crowd bring exposed to the virus.

Republicans know the state of Washington and Oregon have been conducting all-mail elections for years without problems.

They just don't mention Oregon and Washington.

Because they're playing dumb.

We know what you're trying to do.

I don't think that is the case. I think the right truly is concerned with fraudulent voting. Ballots being mailed out by mistake, for dead people, dogs, cats, and those not eligible to vote.

Personally, I think mail in voting is a great idea, its much more convenient, I just don't believe that it can be done with the assurance that it will not create a lot of problems.

Aside from the high potential that there will be fraudulent voting, there is also the fact that the results of the election may not be available the day of the election. There is also the potential for election interference because ballots could become "lost", or that large quantities of ballots could magically be "found".

Then there is also the problem like we saw with "dangling chads", where ballots with could be called into question because of inaccurate markings, or possible incomplete markings. This could cause the election to be held up for weeks while it is straightened out, and for each side calling for suspicious ballots to be thrown out.

Conservatives are ‘concerned’ about a non-issue.

The myth of voter ‘fraud’ is the motive behind all manner of Republican ‘solutions’ to problems that don’t exist.

Republicans know that when voter turnout is high, Republican candidates tend to lose.

Consequently, Republicans seek to suppress votes with tactics such as voter ‘ID’ laws and opposing voting by mail – suppression ‘justified’ by false claims of ‘voter fraud.’

The Myth of Voter Fraud

Extensive research reveals that fraud is very rare. Yet repeated, false allegations of fraud can make it harder for millions of eligible Americans to participate in elections.

www.brennancenter.org

 

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Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

An ID is not required to legally buy a firearm in Texas..

How To Buy A Gun

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texasgunexperience.com

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ID is required to purchase a gun from a licensed dealer in Texas. Purchase from an individual who is not a licensed dealer requires no paperwork, no background check, no ID, The purchaser is not even required to provide his name or any identifying information,

Sorry, you didn't make that distinction in your original comment.

But isn't that the case anywhere? Sounds like you are asking about 2 individuals making a transaction. I would assume that in any state, if one individual is selling a gun to another individual, he is not going to ask for an ID. In this case, the term "legally" wouldn't apply, since legality would really be used in a retail sales environment.

Legality is used in every environment. I said you can buy a gun in Texas without showing ID. I was correct. As many as 40% of gun show sales do not include licensed dealers. Purchases from strangers out of the trunk of a car are not seen as a problem.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Their minions actually do believe mail in ballots are a sure sign of illegal votes, just like they believe all the other crap that right wing leaders spout at them. The leaders, however, know better.

City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New Jersey

Mail in ballots open people up to influence from friends and family
Mail in ballots open up vote farming

If it's safe enough for Trump and his staff to vote by mail, it's safe enough for everyone else.

You're not trying to equate absentee voting to massive mail in voting, are you?

You're not trying to equate the risk of fraud to the risk of exposure to a "deadly" virus, are you?

But, if it takes ID to get a firearm, surely we can justify requiring ID to vote, right?

If you have to have ID to buy alcohol and tobacco, surely it is no big deal to require ID to vote, right?

An ID is not required to legally buy a firearm in Texas..

How To Buy A Gun

8r3bLyv322Z2

texasgunexperience.com

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Texas HB195 | 2019-2020 | 86th Legislature

Bill Text (2019-02-13) Relating to the creation of certain criminal offenses concerning firearm sales at gun shows; authorizing a fee. [Referred to Criminal Jurisprudence]

legiscan.com

This bill doesn't deal with showing ID at a gun show, but does make it an offense to sell a gun at a gun show without complying with the instant criminal background check policies.

 

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Republicans don't think mail ballots are unsafe. Republicans are just pretending to think so in order to force as many in-person votes as possible. This is because Republican voters are more likely to be unafraid to be exposed to coronavirus (due to their ignorance about risk posed by being in a crowd). Democrats are more likely to be afraid of being out there in a crowd bring exposed to the virus.

Republicans know the state of Washington and Oregon have been conducting all-mail elections for years without problems.

They just don't mention Oregon and Washington.

Because they're playing dumb.

We know what you're trying to do.

I don't think that is the case. I think the right truly is concerned with fraudulent voting. Ballots being mailed out by mistake, for dead people, dogs, cats, and those not eligible to vote.

Personally, I think mail in voting is a great idea, its much more convenient, I just don't believe that it can be done with the assurance that it will not create a lot of problems.

Aside from the high potential that there will be fraudulent voting, there is also the fact that the results of the election may not be available the day of the election. There is also the potential for election interference because ballots could become "lost", or that large quantities of ballots could magically be "found".

Then there is also the problem like we saw with "dangling chads", where ballots with could be called into question because of inaccurate markings, or possible incomplete markings. This could cause the election to be held up for weeks while it is straightened out, and for each side calling for suspicious ballots to be thrown out.

Conservatives are ‘concerned’ about a non-issue.

The myth of voter ‘fraud’ is the motive behind all manner of Republican ‘solutions’ to problems that don’t exist.

Republicans know that when voter turnout is high, Republican candidates tend to lose.

Consequently, Republicans seek to suppress votes with tactics such as voter ‘ID’ laws and opposing voting by mail – suppression ‘justified’ by false claims of ‘voter fraud.’

The Myth of Voter Fraud

Extensive research reveals that fraud is very rare. Yet repeated, false allegations of fraud can make it harder for millions of eligible Americans to participate in elections.

www.brennancenter.org

So, I can not recall, ever, in any of the conversations I've had with republican friends, hearing any of them mention the need to stiffle, prevent, or otherwise hinder the ability to vote of the opposing party. I'm only one person, but I just don't think that's the goal here.

How about this, give the right...10 years....for them to import 50 million likely republican voters. Then, let's swap to mail in ballots. Would that work for you?