Republicans try but can't change history

[surada]

It was crippled by its addiction to a 7th century death cult. Bush was ignorant like most 'elites' and really thought he could encourage leopards to change their stripes and rebuild a bunch of cultists into a civilized nation. He now knows better, and so do we. You loons just can't admit to that, too committed to 'Stupid'.

I resigned the Republican party before the invasion. Everyone knew it was stupid.

 

[surada]

Attacking Kuwait made that plan toast.

Kuwait wouldn't forgive Iraq's OPEC quota. Iraq was way behind in oil production.

 

[DudleySmith]

I resigned the Republican party before the invasion. Everyone knew it was stupid.

lol rubbish.

 

[DudleySmith]

Kuwait wouldn't forgive Iraq's OPEC quota. Iraq was way behind in oil production.

Nothing to do with it; we had mutual defense agreements with Kuwait, and with Saudi Arabia, and with Israel for that matter; your nutjob hero attacked them all.

 

[surada]

Nothing to do with it; we had mutual defense agreements with Kuwait, and with Saudi Arabia, and with Israel for that matter; your nutjob hero attacked them all.

Saudi Arabia tried to stop the US invasion, but Bush wouldn't listen. Bandar was recalled to Arabia. Israel wanted the US to invade per Clean Break Strategy.

 

[surada]

lol rubbish.

Yep. After 35 years. I'd written dozens of letters opposing the invasion.

 

[Roudy]

Attacking Kuwait made that plan toast.

Kuwait was drilling sideways aka “slant drilling” at its border with Iraq to illegally access Iraqi oil, with the blessing of the US of course. That’s the reason for Iraq attacking Kuwait.





Charles Jannuzi
Associate Professor (1994-present)

It was quite likely true. Iraq had some very legitimate claims against Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. That didn’t justify invasion. But what did Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States think Iraq was going to do? Drown in debt? Dismantle its army?
Iraq and Kuwait were ‘sharing’ a known oil field (which on the surface mostly fell in Iraqi territory), and Iraq thought that Kuwait was using directional drilling to take more than its share. Iraq and Kuwait had never negotiated a deal for how to share the field, since Iraq rightly felt that Kuwait wasn’t entitled to any—that the border had been drawn to give them some of the oil.
Kuwait actually didn’t dispute the claim. It instead countered that Iraq had exaggerated the amount (Iraq accused Kuwait of stealing 300,000 - 350,000 barrels a day).
Even if Kuwait wasn’t using slant drilling to take oil out of clearly marked Iraqi territory, it was using it to take more out of a shared field, far exceeding any amount it was entitled to for having a bit of the field fall in Kuwait.
It was also over-producing oil and driving down the price, in large part due to the huge amounts of oil it was sucking out of the Ramaila field. Iraq had a pretty good idea of just how much oil Kuwait could produce, so that is why it figured out that Kuwait was sneaking more oil out of the shared field using directional/horizontal drilling that was not visible from the activities just across the border that could be observed.
The cause of the dispute: Kuwait using the fact that a small part of the huge Rumalia oil field falls inside Kuwait in order to siphon huge amounts of oil out of it.

 

[surada]

Kuwait was drilling sideways aka “slant drilling” at its border with Iraq to illegally access Iraqi oil, with the blessing of the US of course. That’s the reason for Iraq attacking Kuwait.





Charles Jannuzi
Associate Professor (1994-present)

It was quite likely true. Iraq had some very legitimate claims against Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. That didn’t justify invasion. But what did Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States think Iraq was going to do? Drown in debt? Dismantle its army?
Iraq and Kuwait were ‘sharing’ a known oil field (which on the surface mostly fell in Iraqi territory), and Iraq thought that Kuwait was using directional drilling to take more than its share. Iraq and Kuwait had never negotiated a deal for how to share the field, since Iraq rightly felt that Kuwait wasn’t entitled to any—that the border had been drawn to give them some of the oil.
Kuwait actually didn’t dispute the claim. It instead countered that Iraq had exaggerated the amount (Iraq accused Kuwait of stealing 300,000 - 350,000 barrels a day).
Even if Kuwait wasn’t using slant drilling to take oil out of clearly marked Iraqi territory, it was using it to take more out of a shared field, far exceeding any amount it was entitled to for having a bit of the field fall in Kuwait.
It was also over-producing oil and driving down the price, in large part due to the huge amounts of oil it was sucking out of the Ramaila field. Iraq had a pretty good idea of just how much oil Kuwait could produce, so that is why it figured out that Kuwait was sneaking more oil out of the shared field using directional/horizontal drilling that was not visible from the activities just across the border that could be observed.
The cause of the dispute: Kuwait using the fact that a small part of the huge Rumalia oil field falls inside Kuwait in order to siphon huge amounts of oil out of it.

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Saudi Arabia forgave Saddam's OPEC quota debt. Kuwait wouldn't. Rumalia is a shared field.

 

[DudleySmith]

Kuwait was drilling sideways aka “slant drilling” at its border with Iraq to illegally access Iraqi oil, with the blessing of the US of course. That’s the reason for Iraq attacking Kuwait.



Charles Jannuzi
Associate Professor (1994-present)

It was quite likely true. Iraq had some very legitimate claims against Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. That didn’t justify invasion. But what did Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States think Iraq was going to do? Drown in debt? Dismantle its army?
Iraq and Kuwait were ‘sharing’ a known oil field (which on the surface mostly fell in Iraqi territory), and Iraq thought that Kuwait was using directional drilling to take more than its share. Iraq and Kuwait had never negotiated a deal for how to share the field, since Iraq rightly felt that Kuwait wasn’t entitled to any—that the border had been drawn to give them some of the oil.
Kuwait actually didn’t dispute the claim. It instead countered that Iraq had exaggerated the amount (Iraq accused Kuwait of stealing 300,000 - 350,000 barrels a day).
Even if Kuwait wasn’t using slant drilling to take oil out of clearly marked Iraqi territory, it was using it to take more out of a shared field, far exceeding any amount it was entitled to for having a bit of the field fall in Kuwait.
It was also over-producing oil and driving down the price, in large part due to the huge amounts of oil it was sucking out of the Ramaila field. Iraq had a pretty good idea of just how much oil Kuwait could produce, so that is why it figured out that Kuwait was sneaking more oil out of the shared field using directional/horizontal drilling that was not visible from the activities just across the border that could be observed.
The cause of the dispute: Kuwait using the fact that a small part of the huge Rumalia oil field falls inside Kuwait in order to siphon huge amounts of oil out of it.

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Doesn't neuter mutual defense agreements, and Saddam had other options; the fact is he just saw an excuse to invade. Oil belongs to whoever can pump the most out of them. All oil fields are 'shared' by the fact that they are big pools, and pumping anywhere in one lowers the amounts anybody else in the field can pump, and lowers gas pressure and in many case raises the water tables through out the whole field. His pretext wasn't the oil, it was some 'ancient Iraqi claims to the swamp and land'.

 

[Roudy]

Doesn't neuter mutual defense agreements, and Saddam had other options; the fact is he just saw an excuse to invade. Oil belongs to whoever can pump the most out of them. All oil fields are 'shared' by the fact that they are big pools, and pumping anywhere in one lowers the amounts anybody else in the field can pump, and lowers gas pressure and in many case raises the water tables through out the whole field. His pretext wasn't the oil, it was some 'ancient Iraqi claims to the swamp and land'.

True, but since Sadam was in full control of the money coming from any oil revenues, the Kuwaitis were essentially putting their hands into Sadam’s pockets. And the US also initially deceived Sadam by letting him think we would be “neutral” In that fight.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It was crippled by its addiction to a 7th century death cult. Bush was ignorant like most 'elites' and really thought he could encourage leopards to change their stripes and rebuild a bunch of cultists into a civilized nation. He now knows better, and so do we. You loons just can't admit to that, too committed to 'Stupid'.

Contempt for All Mountain Monkeys Is Rationalism

The same upper-class respect for foreign savages explains the Afghan pullout disaster. Bi-den was just following the Neocons' same illusion that the native soldiers would finish off the Taliban themselves if we left enough weapons for them.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Doesn't neuter mutual defense agreements, and Saddam had other options; the fact is he just saw an excuse to invade. Oil belongs to whoever can pump the most out of them. All oil fields are 'shared' by the fact that they are big pools, and pumping anywhere in one lowers the amounts anybody else in the field can pump, and lowers gas pressure and in many case raises the water tables through out the whole field. His pretext wasn't the oil, it was some 'ancient Iraqi claims to the swamp and land'.

Saddam Needed Kuwait So He Could Defeat Iran

Iraq is Mesopotamia. Kuwait has belonged to it for 5,000 years. It is nothing but a cut-and-paste country clipped off a map by the Allies after World War I. When Iraq gets a stable leadership again, it will certainly try to get Kuwait back. That is a permanent goal of all Iraqis.