Republicans try but can't change history

[Coyote]

Being an insurrectionist requires an actual ability to perform an insurrection, which is why all the charges have been trespass, assault, and interfering with government workers/property.

Unlike the CHAZ/CHOP people who actually took over portions of a city FOR MONTHS, and haven't been charged for an ACTUAL insurrection.

Being an insurrectionist requires none of that, only the intent and acting on that intent. Because they were incompetent doesnt make it any less an insurrection.

The LEGAL BAR for charging some one with insurrection is pretty high, and very rarely done because our government prioritizes free speech rights and this applies to a lot of the reluctance to come down hard on protests. That is one they are charging them with other crimes instead. The other aspect is that it was not one coordinated action. There undeniably were those who coordinayed and planned an attempted violent overthrow of our electoral process and utilized a fired up mob towards that end. However there were many who were just stupid and caught up in it. Not everyone will be charged the same nor should be.

 

[Soupnazi630]

How did they do that? And, "squatting" is not the same as actively trying to "sabotage" due process of Government.

They did not simply squat they openly declared CHAZ as a seperate politiucal and legal entity where elected government had no authority.

It was open insurrection

 

[Coyote]

Wrong

They overthrew local ELECTED government whiuch is also basded on constitutional law.

You are either lying or stupid but you are wrong DEAL WITH IT

They didnt overthrow anything. The local government allowed it. They could have stepped on and put an end to it at time. Kind of like the Conch Republic.

 

[Oddball]

Wrong

They overthrew local ELECTED government whiuch is also basded on constitutional law.

You are either lying or stupid but you are wrong DEAL WITH IT

You are either lying or stupid...

 

[danielpalos]

They did not simply squat they openly declared CHAZ as a seperate politiucal and legal entity where elected government had no authority.

It was open insurrection

Squatting. They did not Invade the capital like "illegals".

 

[Faun]

Wrong

They overthrew local ELECTED government whiuch is also basded on constitutional law.

You are either lying or stupid but you are wrong DEAL WITH IT

What elected government was overthrown? You do know they took over just a few city blocks, right? Bear in mind, I'm not defending their actions. I'm just ridiculing your nonsense that they overthrew a local elected government. Which by the way, the Constitution doesn't address. The Constitution leaves such matters up to the states. Unlike a presidential election, which had Trump's thugs been successful at getting him into the White House instead of the duly elected winner, would have been the end of the Constitution.

 

[Coyote]

No, YOU are the one playing games with semantics. Violence is not a "mechanism", it is at best PART of a mechanism.

There was no way that the events of that day would have done any more than they did, a slight delay in a formality.

What the hell do you mean violence is not a mechanism? It has been the mechanism for a good many revolutions, rebellions, and insurrections. And don't forget, they believed Trump was backing them and going to join them. They likely thought presidential power was mechanism enough.

 

[toobfreak]

Republicans try but can't change history​

SORRY, NO, Astroturd:

• We ain't the ones running from an illegal election!
• We're not the ones trying to run another sham investigation!
• We're not the ones tearing down every monument connected to the Civil War!
• We're not the ones trying to hide the democrat's storied history with the KKK!

YOU ARE

 

[Winco]

Back to the topic.


The 1/6 riot was a riot, ie a violent crime, committed by quite a number of people. They should face Justice, with due process and all their rights respected.

I LOVE how you are coming around to the realistic view of what happened on Jan 6th.

1) WAS: It was a peaceful protest, no weapons, Lots of Love, very peaceful.
2) Bit Later: Antifa, BLM, even the FBI coordinated this event.
3) Wee Bit Later: Innocent protesters are being mistreated. Being held w/o cause.
4) Wee Wee bit later: Who killed Ashli. An innocent unarmed legal protester.
5) Big Lie #2 later: The police just let them in. Waved them in, actually. How do you trespass when they just wave you in?
6) The Capitol Police are Liars. Fuck the Police.
7) NOW: "The 1/6 riot was a riot, ie a violent crime, committed by quite a number of people. They should face Justice, with due process and all their rights respected."

Thank You for finally saying that these insurrectionists should face trial (Justice).

 

[postman]

What elected government was overthrown? You do know they took over just a few city blocks, right? Bear in mind, I'm not defending their actions. I'm just ridiculing your nonsense that they overthrew a local elected government.

They equate taking over public property, as an overthrow of the local government.

Maybe that's why when people took over the Edmund Pettus Bridge, they called out the dogs, because it was an overthrow of the Selma, Alabama government.

 

[Godboy]

Fact check: Some Republicans have tried to rewrite the history of January 6. Here's how | CNN Politics

When the House Select Committee investigating the events of January 6 convenes for the first time, it will be against a backdrop of Republican objections and falsehoods.

www.cnn.com

Because history is what it is. Despite the efforts of Trump and his Cult members in Congress to rewrite it to reflect positively on Trump, theirs is a lost cause.

Trump and his disciples, since January 6 have tried over and over to convince the American people that the insurrection was caused by Antifa, was a peaceful event with lots of love in the air or was just a guided tour of the Capital building.

We know better! It was an aggressive attempt by white nationalists, inspired by Trump, to take over the government of the United States. Anyone who sees it in a different light is not a loyal, patriotic American, but rather is a Trump disciple who places him above the Constitution of the United States and the welfare of the majority of the American people.

Today's congressional hearing will expose the Trump people who tried to storm the Capital for what they really are: enemies of the American people.

Why do you guys only talk about this one riot, when there were hundreds of other ones, many of which were far more violent. Many people were murdered at BLM riots. Why arent you talking about THOSE riots?

 

[Winco]

SORRY, NO, Astroturd:

• We ain't the ones running from an illegal election!
• We're not the ones trying to run another sham investigation!
• We're not the ones tearing down every monument connected to the Civil War!
• We're not the ones trying to hide the democrat's storied history with the KKK!

• We ain't the ones running from an illegal election!
• You clowns are the ones that created the facade of a stolen election.
• We're not the ones trying to run another sham investigation!
• Like the 19 Sham Benghazi Investigations. FACT.
• We're not the ones tearing down every monument connected to the Civil War!
• Don't really care about this one. Everyone should be informed, from both sides, and educated people can form their own opinion from the information.
• We're not the ones trying to hide the democrat's storied history with the KKK!
• This one is BIG. Yes, the (D) party was the 'original' party of the KKK. The DixieCrats now have the platform of the (R) party. Clearly, it is White Supremacists that support the KKK, and those individuals are from the Very White South Confederates.
  Who carries the Confederate Flag. Southern Rednecks. Racists. Current members of the (R) party.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

a bat is armed but not really armed, because in this country, when you call someone armed, it almost always means a firearm.

a person running around with a bat is not "armed and dangerous" by most people's definition of the term.

Then you, and 'most people' are pretty fucking dumb. Actually, 'most people' know you're full of shit.

 

[Soupnazi630]

They didnt overthrow anything. The local government allowed it. They could have stepped on and put an end to it at time. Kind of like the Conch Republic.

They openly stated and succeeded in overthrlowing local government.

That government had no right to allow it as they were elected by the people to be gthe government of that region.

Your spin is a failure. The left is filled with hypocrites trying to spin what happened just as the right spins what happened on Jan 6.

 

[Soupnazi630]

What elected government was overthrown? You do know they took over just a few city blocks, right? Bear in mind, I'm not defending their actions. I'm just ridiculing your nonsense that they overthrew a local elected government. Which by the way, the Constitution doesn't address. The Constitution leaves such matters up to the states. Unlike a presidential election, which had Trump's thugs been successful at getting him into the White House instead of the duly elected winner, would have been the end of the Constitution.

Thiose few city blocks were in fact under the jurisdiction of a local and legally elected government. I could ask the same sort of question about Jan 6. As in what election was stopped?

There is more than one constitution including state and local constitutions and in fact CHAZ was precisely what you are accusing the MAGA rioters of ATTEMPTING.

 

[Soupnazi630]

They equate taking over public property, as an overthrow of the local government.

Maybe that's why when people took over the Edmund Pettus Bridge, they called out the dogs, because it was an overthrow of the Selma, Alabama government.

That is precisely what it is. When one declares public AND PRIVATE property to be subject to a new fiat government it is by defintion overthrow of government.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Squatting. They did not Invade the capital like "illegals".

Liar.

Theyd di mroe than squat they invaded and declared a new government

you always bear false witness and post fallacies

 

[danielpalos]

Liar.

Theyd di mroe than squat they invaded and declared a new government

you always bear false witness and post fallacies

Still mostly just a protest not actively trying to change the results of an election.

The Capitol Hill Occupied Protest or the Capitol Hill Organized Protest[6][7][8][9] (CHOP),[10][11] originally Free Capitol Hill[12][13] and later the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ),[14] was an occupation protest and self-declared autonomous zone[1] in the Capitol Hill neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. The zone, originally covering six city blocks and Cal Anderson Park,[15][16] was established on June 8, 2020, by George Floyd protesters after the Seattle Police Department (SPD) left its East Precinct building.[2] The zone was cleared of occupants by police on July 1.[3][17] Its formation was preceded by a week of tense interactions between protesters and police in riot gear which began on June 1 and escalated on June 7 after a man drove his vehicle into the crowd and shot a protester near 11th Avenue and Pine Street.[18][19] Tear gas, flashbangs and pepper spray were used by police in the densely populated residential neighborhood.[20] On June 7, the SPD reported that the crowd was throwing rocks, bottles and fireworks and shining green lasers into officers' eyes.[18] The next day, police boarded up their building and moved out of the East Precinct in an effort to de-escalate the situation.[21]--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest

 

[Soupnazi630]

Still mostly just a protest not actively trying to change the results of an election.

The Capitol Hill Occupied Protest or the Capitol Hill Organized Protest[6][7][8][9] (CHOP),[10][11] originally Free Capitol Hill[12][13] and later the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ),[14] was an occupation protest and self-declared autonomous zone[1] in the Capitol Hill neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. The zone, originally covering six city blocks and Cal Anderson Park,[15][16] was established on June 8, 2020, by George Floyd protesters after the Seattle Police Department (SPD) left its East Precinct building.[2] The zone was cleared of occupants by police on July 1.[3][17] Its formation was preceded by a week of tense interactions between protesters and police in riot gear which began on June 1 and escalated on June 7 after a man drove his vehicle into the crowd and shot a protester near 11th Avenue and Pine Street.[18][19] Tear gas, flashbangs and pepper spray were used by police in the densely populated residential neighborhood.[20] On June 7, the SPD reported that the crowd was throwing rocks, bottles and fireworks and shining green lasers into officers' eyes.[18] The next day, police boarded up their building and moved out of the East Precinct in an effort to de-escalate the situation.[21]--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest

Wrong.

When a gorup violently takes over territory and declares it a new state they ARE by definition attempting to change the outcome of an election. This is precisely what CHAZ was about and what they did.
The mostly violent rioters all year of BLM ANTIFA were not protesting they were engaging in insurrection.

You are a hypocrite bearing false witness

 

[danielpalos]

was an occupation protest and self-declared autonomous zone

Nothing to do with trying to overturn an election.