Republicans taking Blame for Shutdown - Polls

[Faun]

Every Poll I'm seeing places the blame on this retarded shutdown on the GOP...and rightfully so. Pushing your own personal agenda through a blackmail threat since you don't have the votes otherwise is truly evil.

Why should Obamacare be funded when the people in the current congress elected by the people don't want to fund it? It shouldn't. That prior congresses can pass programs and force future congresses to fund them unless they get the votes to defund them is what's evil.

Congress should fund the programs that the votes are there to fund. Period. This is on the Democratic party that they are shutting down government to force funding of a program they don't have the votes to fund.

They should fund it because it's the law. If they don't like it, change the law. Don't unilaterally decide which laws should be supported and which laws should be cut.

The GOP is behaving like babies who are throwing a tantrum because they failed to repeal a law they don't like. Kind of explains why Cruz was quoting Dr. Seuss though.

 

[Faun]

Right. They were sent to defund Obamacare. Which is what they are doing.

Not true. America had it's chance to repeal ObamaCare last year when the rightwing put up a candidate for president who ran on repealing it.

America chose the candidate who was in favor of keeping ObamaCare over the candidate who was in favor of repealing it.

The rigged election was about who could promise more gov't cheese to inner city Negroes. Obama won that contest.
It was not a referendum on Obamacare.
Many of the Republicans now active in Congress ran explicitly on repeal. And the sentiment fro repeal gets bigger each day.

The election was not rigged. Obama won by some 5 million votes and by over 100 electoral votes. Your sour grapes are noted, but Romney lost that election fair and square. Get over it.

And yes, it was a referendum on ObamaCare. Romney ran on that and America rejected him. That doesn't mean that was the only thing America voted on, but clearly, America had their chance to get rid of ObamaCare if that's what we wanted.

We didn't.

 

[Faun]

Right. They were sent to defund Obamacare. Which is what they are doing.

Not true. America had it's chance to repeal ObamaCare last year when the rightwing put up a candidate for president who ran on repealing it.

America chose the candidate who was in favor of keeping ObamaCare over the candidate who was in favor of repealing it.

it wasn't a one issue election moron

Elections are never about one issue. But ObamaCare was a big issue in the election. Romney made it a big issue where he was adamant that his first action if elected would be to work on repealing it.

America chose the candidate who would fight to keep it.

 

[Yurt]

Every Poll I'm seeing places the blame on this retarded shutdown on the GOP...and rightfully so. Pushing your own personal agenda through a blackmail threat since you don't have the votes otherwise is truly evil.

Why should Obamacare be funded when the people in the current congress elected by the people don't want to fund it? It shouldn't. That prior congresses can pass programs and force future congresses to fund them unless they get the votes to defund them is what's evil.

Congress should fund the programs that the votes are there to fund. Period. This is on the Democratic party that they are shutting down government to force funding of a program they don't have the votes to fund.

They should fund it because it's the law. If they don't like it, change the law. Don't unilaterally decide which laws should be supported and which laws should be cut.

The GOP is behaving like babies who are throwing a tantrum because they failed to repeal a law they don't like. Kind of explains why Cruz was quoting Dr. Seuss though.

you don't have to fund a law moron

see checks and balances

 

[sfcalifornia]

Shutting down the government, which really won't be shut down anyway, doesn't default on the debt. Neither does refusing to raise the debt ceiling for that matter.

It's lib-speak. If we dont raise the debt ceiling then children will die. Hysteria is all they have.

I've already seen the "grandma is going to be forced to eat cat food" lament.

Reminds me of "death panels will kill my grandma" lament.

 

[Faun]

Why should Obamacare be funded when the people in the current congress elected by the people don't want to fund it? It shouldn't. That prior congresses can pass programs and force future congresses to fund them unless they get the votes to defund them is what's evil.

Congress should fund the programs that the votes are there to fund. Period. This is on the Democratic party that they are shutting down government to force funding of a program they don't have the votes to fund.

They should fund it because it's the law. If they don't like it, change the law. Don't unilaterally decide which laws should be supported and which laws should be cut.

The GOP is behaving like babies who are throwing a tantrum because they failed to repeal a law they don't like. Kind of explains why Cruz was quoting Dr. Seuss though.

you don't have to fund a law moron

see checks and balances

The system of checks and balances do not extend to existing laws. No single body of government should have so much power that they get to unilaterally decide which laws should be effectively terminated by defunding them.

In fact, your reference to "checks and balances" is being abrogated by the House in their attempt to defund a law because they don't like it. The reason we have a system of checks and balances is to prevent any one body of government from exercising too much power. Now you're defending one body which is attempting to do just that.

 

[Stephanie]

The GOP can't kill ObamaCare by repealing it. They tried a million times.

They want to force the Democrats and Obama to defund it by threatening a govt. shutdown or govt. default.

such scum.

and the American people see what's going on.

oh waaaa, you've become a one trick pony..say the same thing over and over....and I suppose you all just won't live if this fascist piece of crap is DELAYED or scrapped...

how dare you people out there...it has Obama name on it, it HAS TO BE the best THING since white bread...You remember how the guberment is at RUNNING THINGS....just look at the post office, Amtrak, dmv....and you will get PAY FOR ALL who can't afford to buy their GUBERMENT INUSRANCE, so what you bitching about?

gawd you government DEPENDENTS who worship them are some pathetic people

 

[Seawytch]

How quickly they forget. The Bush tax cuts were passed in 2001 and 2003 by reconciliation.

The GOP chose not to have anything to do with Health Care reform. They chose not to sit at the table to which they were invited.

Forget? Methinks some are liars and some have been brain washed by the liars from the Ministry of Truth.

And some people are simply stupid. Like you, **********.
The bush tax cuts were so unpopular they were extended by a solid Democrat majority in Congress and signed by Barack Obama.

As a result of the previous hostage crisis the tax cuts were extended. The GOP was willing to throw the unemployed out on the street, the President was not.

 

[thereisnospoon]

They should fund it because it's the law. If they don't like it, change the law. Don't unilaterally decide which laws should be supported and which laws should be cut.

The GOP is behaving like babies who are throwing a tantrum because they failed to repeal a law they don't like. Kind of explains why Cruz was quoting Dr. Seuss though.

you don't have to fund a law moron

see checks and balances

The system of checks and balances do not extend to existing laws. No single body of government should have so much power that they get to unilaterally decide which laws should be effectively terminated by defunding them.

In fact, your reference to "checks and balances" is being abrogated by the House in their attempt to defund a law because they don't like it. The reason we have a system of checks and balances is to prevent any one body of government from exercising too much power. Now you're defending one body which is attempting to do just that.

Who the **** told you that?.
Each of the two Houses of Congress exists for that very reason.
There is nothing unilateral about that. Not a damned thing.
To write, debate and vote on legislation.
You may believe laws are written in stone. They are not.
Laws can become outdated, obsolete, thought to be unjust or no longer popular.
The process is codified by the balance of having TWO houses of legislation.
This keeps the potential of the tyranny of the majority in check.
You can take your low IQ low information ass back to where ever it was before you decided to open your yapper.
This is no place for you. You are not very good at this.
Why is it that most of the uninformed such as yourself are liberals?

 

[Stephanie]

Forget? Methinks some are liars and some have been brain washed by the liars from the Ministry of Truth.

And some people are simply stupid. Like you, **********.
The bush tax cuts were so unpopular they were extended by a solid Democrat majority in Congress and signed by Barack Obama.

As a result of the previous hostage crisis the tax cuts were extended. The GOP was willing to throw the unemployed out on the street, the President was not.

oh boy, yeah that's easy when it's NOT HIS money..what a hero he is at SPENDING taxpayer dollars....and the DRAMATICS, they were going to put them on the STREETS OR they could go look for a job....I know that is a horrible mean thing to expect people on unemployment to do, but the money tree is PLUCKED dry EVENTUALLY

 

[Faun]

The Dems have had control of Congress for 4 years, Congress and the Presidency for two, The presidency and the senate for 4. How is the economy the fault of the GOP?

The economy is doing better today than it was 4 years ago. Republicans can't handle that, so they are trying to wreck it. Last time they attempted a stunt like this, it led to a down grade in the U.S. credit rating.

Just think how strong America would be if the GOP loved the United States more than they loved their party?

No that is not correct. Household income is lower today than 4 years ago. Household wealth is lower today than 4 years ago. Welfare and other public assistance is higher today than 4 years ago. Workforce participation is lower than 4 years ago.

Ok, so you don't know that GDP and unemployment are the leading indicators of the economy. GDP 4 years ago was negative 2.8%. It's up 1.6% during the previous year. Employment is up by 4.2 million jobs over the last 4 years and the unemployment rate has dropped from 9.5% to 7.3%. The workforce participation rate is lower in large part to those who choose not to work. This includes baby boomers who retire, students who choose school over work, and people who choose government handouts over work.

The downgrade came from the reckless spending policies of Obama&Co.

Your ignorance is noted, but the downgrade was actually the result of a dysfunctional government and their inability to work together in developing a plan to tackle the debt problem.

The GOP does love America. They are not the ones getting played by the Russians, Syrians, and now Iranians. They are not apologizing to America. They are not proposing and enacting measures that have destroyed this economy. That would be the Dems.

The GOP does not love America more than they love their party and ideology. In their utopia, Conservative values should be imposed on all of America and they are trying to take America in that direction even at the cost of our economy and our way of life.

 

[WillowTree]

It's okay, the demon craps will get 100% of the credit for obummercare because not a single solitary Republican voted for it. Not the first one. Nary a one. Zip.. Nada, ZERO..

 

[Faun]

you don't have to fund a law moron

see checks and balances

The system of checks and balances do not extend to existing laws. No single body of government should have so much power that they get to unilaterally decide which laws should be effectively terminated by defunding them.

In fact, your reference to "checks and balances" is being abrogated by the House in their attempt to defund a law because they don't like it. The reason we have a system of checks and balances is to prevent any one body of government from exercising too much power. Now you're defending one body which is attempting to do just that.

Who the **** told you that?.
Each of the two Houses of Congress exists for that very reason.
There is nothing unilateral about that. Not a damned thing.
To write, debate and vote on legislation.
You may believe laws are written in stone. They are not.
Laws can become outdated, obsolete, thought to be unjust or no longer popular.
The process is codified by the balance of having TWO houses of legislation.
This keeps the potential of the tyranny of the majority in check.
You can take your low IQ low information ass back to where ever it was before you decided to open your yapper.
This is no place for you. You are not very good at this.
Why is it that most of the uninformed such as yourself are liberals?

Holy shit!

Here's a civics lesson for you...

Checks and Balances of the Legislative Branch

The Legislative Branch is given the powers to make the laws. It has the following checks over the Executive Branch:
•May override presidential vetoes with a two-thirds vote
•Has the power over the purse strings to actually fund any executive actions
•May remove the president through impeachment
•Senate approves treaties
•Senate approves presidential appointments

The Legislative Branch has the following checks over the Judicial Branch:
•Creates lower courts
•May remove judges through impeachment
•Senate approves appointments of judges

Checks and Balances of the Executive Branch

The Executive Branch is given the power to carry out the laws. It has the following checks over the Legislative Branch:
•Veto power
•Ability to call special sessions of Congress
•Can recommend legislation
•Can appeal to the people concerning legislation and more

The Executive Branch has the following checks over the Judicial Branch:
•President appoints Supreme Court and other federal judges

Checks and Balances of the Judicial Branch

The Judicial Branch is given the power to interpret the laws. It has the following checks over the Executive Branch:
•Judges, once appointed for life, are free from controls from the executive branch
•Courts can judge executive actions to be unconstitutional through the power of judicial review

The Judicial Branch has the following checks over the Legislative Branch:
•Courts can judge legislative acts to be unconstitutional.

Checks and Balances - American System of Checks and Balances​

Hopefully, even you can recognize that description doesn't include bills passed by both chambers of the Congress and signed into law by the president.

It's designed to prevent any one body of government from strong-arming the law. Not to offer a body the opportunity to abolish an existing law they don't like but failed to repeal through the legislative process.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The economy is doing better today than it was 4 years ago. Republicans can't handle that, so they are trying to wreck it. Last time they attempted a stunt like this, it led to a down grade in the U.S. credit rating.

Just think how strong America would be if the GOP loved the United States more than they loved their party?

No that is not correct. Household income is lower today than 4 years ago. Household wealth is lower today than 4 years ago. Welfare and other public assistance is higher today than 4 years ago. Workforce participation is lower than 4 years ago.

Ok, so you don't know that GDP and unemployment are the leading indicators of the economy. GDP 4 years ago was negative 2.8%. It's up 1.6% during the previous year. Employment is up by 4.2 million jobs over the last 4 years and the unemployment rate has dropped from 9.5% to 7.3%. The workforce participation rate is lower in large part to those who choose not to work. This includes baby boomers who retire, students who choose school over work, and people who choose government handouts over work.

The downgrade came from the reckless spending policies of Obama&Co.

Your ignorance is noted, but the downgrade was actually the result of a dysfunctional government and their inability to work together in developing a plan to tackle the debt problem.

The GOP does love America. They are not the ones getting played by the Russians, Syrians, and now Iranians. They are not apologizing to America. They are not proposing and enacting measures that have destroyed this economy. That would be the Dems.

The GOP does not love America more than they love their party and ideology. In their utopia, Conservative values should be imposed on all of America and they are trying to take America in that direction even at the cost of our economy and our way of life.

Ahh here we go...So if Obama created 5 billion new jobs, why is unemployment still not below 5%?..As it should be..
Even with the BLS continually changing the parameters so to what qual;ifies as unemployed and what defines a 'job', the number still is very high. And if one looks at the REAL unemployment numbers found in the BLS own U-6 table, they'd see that actual unemployment is 14%.
What way of life might that be?
Where all behavior is acceptable. Where there is no honor or virtue? Where there is no right and wrong. That wrongdoing is fine as long as the bad actor doesn't get caught.
That cheating on one's spouse a deliberate act is viewed as "a mistake"...
That children should not have to heed the directions and instructions of their parents. Where marriage is looked upon as 'abnormal'....Where the two parent family is sneered at...Where only a certain point of view is protected by the First Amendment. Where the president gets to rule via political fiat?
THAT way of life?

 

[Yurt]

faun, you're dumb

the legislative branch does indeed hold the purse strings, hence, they do not have to fund something

 

[Hoffstra]

faun, you're dumb

the legislative branch does indeed hold the purse strings, hence, they do not have to fund something

They can't repeal ObamaCare. They don't have the votes.

holding up all other govt. funding because of that, is treasonous.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The system of checks and balances do not extend to existing laws. No single body of government should have so much power that they get to unilaterally decide which laws should be effectively terminated by defunding them.

In fact, your reference to "checks and balances" is being abrogated by the House in their attempt to defund a law because they don't like it. The reason we have a system of checks and balances is to prevent any one body of government from exercising too much power. Now you're defending one body which is attempting to do just that.

Who the **** told you that?.
Each of the two Houses of Congress exists for that very reason.
There is nothing unilateral about that. Not a damned thing.
To write, debate and vote on legislation.
You may believe laws are written in stone. They are not.
Laws can become outdated, obsolete, thought to be unjust or no longer popular.
The process is codified by the balance of having TWO houses of legislation.
This keeps the potential of the tyranny of the majority in check.
You can take your low IQ low information ass back to where ever it was before you decided to open your yapper.
This is no place for you. You are not very good at this.
Why is it that most of the uninformed such as yourself are liberals?

Holy shit!

Here's a civics lesson for you...

Checks and Balances of the Legislative Branch

The Legislative Branch is given the powers to make the laws. It has the following checks over the Executive Branch:
•May override presidential vetoes with a two-thirds vote
•Has the power over the purse strings to actually fund any executive actions
•May remove the president through impeachment
•Senate approves treaties
•Senate approves presidential appointments

The Legislative Branch has the following checks over the Judicial Branch:
•Creates lower courts
•May remove judges through impeachment
•Senate approves appointments of judges

Checks and Balances of the Executive Branch

The Executive Branch is given the power to carry out the laws. It has the following checks over the Legislative Branch:
•Veto power
•Ability to call special sessions of Congress
•Can recommend legislation
•Can appeal to the people concerning legislation and more

The Executive Branch has the following checks over the Judicial Branch:
•President appoints Supreme Court and other federal judges

Checks and Balances of the Judicial Branch

The Judicial Branch is given the power to interpret the laws. It has the following checks over the Executive Branch:
•Judges, once appointed for life, are free from controls from the executive branch
•Courts can judge executive actions to be unconstitutional through the power of judicial review

The Judicial Branch has the following checks over the Legislative Branch:
•Courts can judge legislative acts to be unconstitutional.

Checks and Balances - American System of Checks and Balances​

Hopefully, even you can recognize that description doesn't include bills passed by both chambers of the Congress and signed into law by the president.

It's designed to prevent any one body of government from strong-arming the law. Not to offer a body the opportunity to abolish an existing law they don't like but failed to repeal through the legislative process.

All true. But incomplete.
You clearly stated that the Congress can act unilaterally. That is not true.Nor is it accurate.
The House and Senate are designed to check each other.
Get real. You are reaching now. Your argument is a fail.

 

[thereisnospoon]

faun, you're dumb

the legislative branch does indeed hold the purse strings, hence, they do not have to fund something

They can't repeal ObamaCare. They don't have the votes.

holding up all other govt. funding because of that, is treasonous.

Can't?...Ok...But the dems are the ones who refuse to negotiate. Obama said that himself. So did Reid.
The dems are the ones who will shut down government.
The House gave the Senate a CR that funds all sectors of government except for ACA.
ACA is a vastly unpopular law and the House is doing its duty to address that.

 

[Faun]

faun, you're dumb

the legislative branch does indeed hold the purse strings, hence, they do not have to fund something

So you're in favor of the House unilaterally deciding which laws they want to support and which ones they don't? If the House decides they will no longer pay out social security checks, that's ok with you? If the House decides they will no longer fund the military, that's ok with you?

Oh, and the dumb one is the one who thinks the system of checks & balances is designed to give the House so much power, they can unilaterally [effectively] repeal an existing law that they don't like.

 

[Hoffstra]

Can't?...Ok...But the dems are the ones who refuse to negotiate. Obama said that himself. So did Reid.
The dems are the ones who will shut down government.
The House gave the Senate a CR that funds all sectors of government except for ACA.
ACA is a vastly unpopular law and the House is doing its duty to address that.

no bill reaches the President until the Senate and House agree to a final Bill.

the House needs to send the Senate a bill that they will all agree on.

the House hasn't explained why the Individual Mandate should be delayed for a year.

if they can come up with a legitimate and intelligent explanation as to why the Individual Mandate should be delayed for exactly a year and not 6 months or 18 months, then maybe they can have a deal.


...an honest Continuing Resolution would fund all legally approved laws and govt. programs.

ObamaCare was legally approved by Congress. It need to either be repealed or funded.