Republicans taking Blame for Shutdown - Polls
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It means if you don't like being a slave to stupid libtards like PMZ, PMZ wants you to leave the country. IOW pay him all of your salary and like it, or leave.
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It would appear to be unclear only to you.
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Why would people who don't want to pay for US government services not leave the country and move to a country that only supplies the services that they're willing to pay for?
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If you're an example of the level of education and intelligence that represents America, I think that I'll leave.
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PHP:
Actually it was Republican propaganda from Fox News that got us into this mess. No propaganda, no Congressional conservatives, no shutdown of Congress.
thanatos144
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Republican are getting the blame yet Harry Reid would rather kids with cancer die then compromise.... You progressives are evil.
If you don't like it, get the **** out of Dodge.
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Dana Milbank: Democrats right not to compromise
Dana Milbank
October 3, 2013
On Day One of the government shutdown, House Chaplain Patrick Conroy opened the chamberÂ’s session with a plea for compassion.
“This is a painful day for many across our land,” the Jesuit priest said. “May those who possess power here in the Capitol be mindful of those they represent who possess little or no power and whose lives are made even more difficult by a failure to work out serious differences.”
“Amen!” Rep. Janice Hahn, a California Democrat, shouted from the front row.
But ConroyÂ’s prayer was not to be answered Tuesday, as lawmakers on both sides of the Capitol did little other than trade blame and invective. Mindfulness was not in evidence.
Even as he prayed on the House floor, the priest was interrupted by a musical cellphone ring from the pocket of Rep. Frank Wolf, R-Va. Already, Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., had injected racially charged imagery into the standoff, telling a far-right website that “President Obama can’t wait to get Americans addicted to the crack cocaine of dependency on more government health care.”
On the Senate floor, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell scornfully said Democrats would blame the shutdown on “the mean ol’ Republicans or the tea party or Fox News or maybe even George W. Bush.”
Majority Leader Harry Reid replied: “My friend, the Republican leader, spoke as if George Orwell wrote his speech.”
But God works in mysterious ways. For, in the stalemate that froze the Capitol on Tuesday, there were also the makings of a hopeful dynamic.
Republicans devoted much of the day to protesting that Democrats “won’t even sit down and have a discussion” (House Speaker John Boehner) and “literally just voted against working out a compromise” (McConnell). They were absolutely right: Democrats weren’t making the slightest effort to compromise. And if Democrats continue not to budge, everybody – even conservative Republicans – will someday be grateful.
Democrats did offer to keep the government running for the next six weeks at current spending levels, which is a minor concession. But their refusal to consider any deal with Republicans that involves weakening Obamacare is good news, because doing so would make the already intolerable situation in Washington worse.
Compromise is usually a happy notion, but in this instance it would invite more chaos. If Democrats agree to weaken health care reform, they will have proved that all it takes to change an existing law is for a minority of lawmakers in one chamber to threaten a rebellion against their own partyÂ’s leadership.
Under that standard, a small band of future Democrats could shut down the government if a future Republican president didnÂ’t agree to, say, strict gun controls, abortion on demand, a carbon tax, a higher minimum wage, expanded Social Security and Medicare benefits, or open borders. If Republicans succeed in rolling back Obamacare, they will undoubtedly turn to other items they have already demanded as their price for keeping the government running: restrictions on birth-control access, narrower Medicare eligibility, obstacles to malpractice lawsuits, lighter environmental regulations and more oil drilling.
Had this been the standard before, Democrats might have shut down the government to try to force George W. Bush to end the Iraq War, or to make Ronald Reagan end his arms race with the Soviets.
Maybe that can provide some consolation to Republicans, who are slowly edging toward the realization that they are not going to win this fight. Rep. Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, one of the few moderates in the Republican caucus, said it was a matter of time before his colleagues accepted the DemocratsÂ’ offer to keep the government open at current levels.
“We’re going to get there,” Dent told reporters Tuesday. “More members are arriving at that position. … There are plenty of us prepared to vote for it.”
But first, his Republican colleagues will have to exhaust their complaints about DemocratsÂ’ refusal to negotiate.
In a House GOP strategy session Tuesday, lawmakers continued to grasp for a winning message; they proposed a few symbolic pieces of legislation to keep the Department of Veterans Affairs, the national parks and the District of Columbia running (all three later died on the House floor). But as they emerged, the message was unchanged: Democrats wonÂ’t compromise.
“Our goal is to get the Senate to engage,” Rep. Jack Kingston of Georgia said.
Protested Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas: “They won’t even have a negotiation.”
Nor should they. In this case, compromise will hurt everybody – even, eventually, the Republicans.
Dana Milbank
October 3, 2013
On Day One of the government shutdown, House Chaplain Patrick Conroy opened the chamberÂ’s session with a plea for compassion.
“This is a painful day for many across our land,” the Jesuit priest said. “May those who possess power here in the Capitol be mindful of those they represent who possess little or no power and whose lives are made even more difficult by a failure to work out serious differences.”
“Amen!” Rep. Janice Hahn, a California Democrat, shouted from the front row.
But ConroyÂ’s prayer was not to be answered Tuesday, as lawmakers on both sides of the Capitol did little other than trade blame and invective. Mindfulness was not in evidence.
Even as he prayed on the House floor, the priest was interrupted by a musical cellphone ring from the pocket of Rep. Frank Wolf, R-Va. Already, Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., had injected racially charged imagery into the standoff, telling a far-right website that “President Obama can’t wait to get Americans addicted to the crack cocaine of dependency on more government health care.”
On the Senate floor, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell scornfully said Democrats would blame the shutdown on “the mean ol’ Republicans or the tea party or Fox News or maybe even George W. Bush.”
Majority Leader Harry Reid replied: “My friend, the Republican leader, spoke as if George Orwell wrote his speech.”
But God works in mysterious ways. For, in the stalemate that froze the Capitol on Tuesday, there were also the makings of a hopeful dynamic.
Republicans devoted much of the day to protesting that Democrats “won’t even sit down and have a discussion” (House Speaker John Boehner) and “literally just voted against working out a compromise” (McConnell). They were absolutely right: Democrats weren’t making the slightest effort to compromise. And if Democrats continue not to budge, everybody – even conservative Republicans – will someday be grateful.
Democrats did offer to keep the government running for the next six weeks at current spending levels, which is a minor concession. But their refusal to consider any deal with Republicans that involves weakening Obamacare is good news, because doing so would make the already intolerable situation in Washington worse.
Compromise is usually a happy notion, but in this instance it would invite more chaos. If Democrats agree to weaken health care reform, they will have proved that all it takes to change an existing law is for a minority of lawmakers in one chamber to threaten a rebellion against their own partyÂ’s leadership.
Under that standard, a small band of future Democrats could shut down the government if a future Republican president didnÂ’t agree to, say, strict gun controls, abortion on demand, a carbon tax, a higher minimum wage, expanded Social Security and Medicare benefits, or open borders. If Republicans succeed in rolling back Obamacare, they will undoubtedly turn to other items they have already demanded as their price for keeping the government running: restrictions on birth-control access, narrower Medicare eligibility, obstacles to malpractice lawsuits, lighter environmental regulations and more oil drilling.
Had this been the standard before, Democrats might have shut down the government to try to force George W. Bush to end the Iraq War, or to make Ronald Reagan end his arms race with the Soviets.
Maybe that can provide some consolation to Republicans, who are slowly edging toward the realization that they are not going to win this fight. Rep. Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania, one of the few moderates in the Republican caucus, said it was a matter of time before his colleagues accepted the DemocratsÂ’ offer to keep the government open at current levels.
“We’re going to get there,” Dent told reporters Tuesday. “More members are arriving at that position. … There are plenty of us prepared to vote for it.”
But first, his Republican colleagues will have to exhaust their complaints about DemocratsÂ’ refusal to negotiate.
In a House GOP strategy session Tuesday, lawmakers continued to grasp for a winning message; they proposed a few symbolic pieces of legislation to keep the Department of Veterans Affairs, the national parks and the District of Columbia running (all three later died on the House floor). But as they emerged, the message was unchanged: Democrats wonÂ’t compromise.
“Our goal is to get the Senate to engage,” Rep. Jack Kingston of Georgia said.
Protested Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas: “They won’t even have a negotiation.”
Nor should they. In this case, compromise will hurt everybody – even, eventually, the Republicans.
clevergirl
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"Prohibition" was the "law of the land" at one time too...how about slavery?
If it's the "law of the land", and a good law, why is Obama providing waivers for himself; his staff; members of congress- their staff and families, as well as 1200 cronies?
Indeed those who forced this bill on us should be subject to it themselves...no? Read Federalist Papers #57- please note the last sentence (5) at the end.
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Liberals should be doing everything that they can to encourage the current conservative Republican tantrum.
It is very effectively leading the mainstream GOP to solving the problem that they created for themselves. Tyranny within their party.
I have been of the opinion for quite awhile that there was just no leadership left in the GOP competent enough to break the eggs to make the omelet. Perhaps that is still true but it's now come to a survival issue. Dump the conservative cult or lose everything.
I think that most democrats understand that our two party system is a necessary ingredient in our democracy. But it has to be two functional parties.
There is only one way for America to force the GOP to deal with the destructive forces in their midst.
Behave as they are and watch the electorate pass out their just desserts. Dump them.
Clean out Congress and return it to governance. The legitimate Party will reemerge without their conservative burden over time. And America will reemerge as well. Reborn.
It is very effectively leading the mainstream GOP to solving the problem that they created for themselves. Tyranny within their party.
I have been of the opinion for quite awhile that there was just no leadership left in the GOP competent enough to break the eggs to make the omelet. Perhaps that is still true but it's now come to a survival issue. Dump the conservative cult or lose everything.
I think that most democrats understand that our two party system is a necessary ingredient in our democracy. But it has to be two functional parties.
There is only one way for America to force the GOP to deal with the destructive forces in their midst.
Behave as they are and watch the electorate pass out their just desserts. Dump them.
Clean out Congress and return it to governance. The legitimate Party will reemerge without their conservative burden over time. And America will reemerge as well. Reborn.
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