Republicans offer fraudulent tax reform, the alleged FairTax

[Ray From Cleveland]

when I come out for dictatorship, I'll tell you about it, brainwashed functional moron. You people are already Nazis, you wouldn't mind martial law under trump to save yourself from emails and pedophilia. Poor America.

I used your own words you dummy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Ronald Reagan GOP is the only political party in the modern world that agrees with the ridiculous mess we have. Flat taxes are a giveaway to the rich. And that is basically what we have now. Great job! Keep voting for the greedy liars. unbelievable.

Again, the top 20% of our workers pay nearly 90% of all collected income tax. So no, that's not what we have now or even close.

 

[francoHFW]

I used your own words you dummy.

Well I guess you don't know what communist means either then. I am not for any dictatorship and I never will be and I have no clue where you could get such an idea. Cheap college and training is not communist lol. Every other developed country has everything I want you know the list. So I have no idea what the hell you are talking about

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Every "fair tax" scheme ever is an effort to shift the tax burden down the economic ladder.

Exactly.

Republicans want to ‘balance’ the budget on the backs of working Americans, low-income Americans, those retired, and the disabled.

It’s reckless, irresponsible, and wrong.

 

[22lcidw]

The 'resolution' the GOP is calling for a vote on isn't binding and won't become law, it's just posturing, for one. Taxing food and health care at 30%+ is just moronic, but for some reason most of the GOP shills here seem completely oblivious to the obvious. As for 'getting rid of the IRS N Stuff', they are going to create two new big giant tax bureaucracies, with even more direct power over businesses, especially those who aren't large enough to buy protection from GOP pols. All the lawyers are practically fainting over the jurisdiction wars that will break out, it's far more lucrative than even the new cop baiting industry all the hood rats are hoping to cash in on.

And, nobody is going to repeal the 16th, especially not Republicans; they invented income taxes in this country, after all, it's one of their favorite money makers and fund raising gimmicks, selling tax breaks and govt. subsidies to big corporations and has been for going on 170 years now.

Progs controlled the House, the Senate and the Presidency in 1913. 17th amendment, 16th amendment and the Federal Reserve Act.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well I guess you don't know what communist means either then. I am not for any dictatorship and I never will be and I have no clue where you could get such an idea. Cheap college and training is not communist lol. Every other developed country has everything I want you know the list. So I have no idea what the hell you are talking about

Well that's what Democrats actually are, Communists. I know what it means because I went to the US Communist website. What I found is their agenda is nearly the same as the Democrat party.

It's root is socialism; government taking from one group and giving it to another to make everybody the same. You want to take money from the wealthy to pay for people that went to college that are now making up to 125K per year, and it applies to couples making 250K a year. Socialism.

 

[Lesh]

SEE House Bill Would Reform Tax Code, Eliminate IRS

Saturday January 14, 2023



What Rep. Buddy Carter, R-Ga., and Rep. Kat Cammack, R-Fla., avoid telling their constituents is, the FairTax, which they are trying to shove down the throats of the American people . .

• creates an entirely new tax,
• creates two new tax collecting agencies, an “Excise Tax Bureau” and the “Sales Tax Bureau", in addition to keeping the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms alive which will also be collecting taxes.
• keeps Congress’ power to lay and collect excise taxes calculated from incomes alive,
• requires taxpayers to file Fair Tax returns twelve times a year,
• requires ordinary working people to register with government in order to sell the property each has in their own labor,
• requires ordinary people to become tax collectors for government.
• requires taxpayers to keep whatever records Congress may dream up,
• and creates a new entitlement, the Family Consumption Allowance [a monthly government check sent to every family in the U.S.] that would become another wedge issue used during election time to buy votes.

Why on earth would any “conservative” politician support this rope-a-dope proposal which enlarges and strengthens the federal government’s iron grip around the American people’s necks?
If Rep. Buddy Carter, R-Ga., and Rep. Kat Cammack, R-Fla., are really determined to offer meaningful federal tax reform, they would introduce the FAIR SHARE BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT which begins as follows:

“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed, and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay any tax or burden calculated from sales, profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s original tax plan as they intended it to operate! They would also end the experiment with allowing Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from lawfully earned “incomes” which now oppresses America‘s economic engine and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling the property each has in their own labor, not to mention they would end federal taxation being used as a political weapon to harass and attack political opponents!

JWK

When Federal Reserve Notes were made a legal tender in violation of our Constitution, and a direct un-apportioned tax was imposed upon the people without their consent, America’s free enterprise, free market system was subjugated, and the tools of oppression were made available to some very immoral and nefariously evil people

The misnamed Fair Tax has been a Republican goal for two decades.

Never mind the fact that it would be a HUGE wealth shift to the rich.

That’s what Republicans do

 

[francoHFW]

Again, the top 20% of our workers pay nearly 90% of all collected income tax. So no, that's not what we have now or even close.

That's because they make 90% of the income. Great job really works great, perfect chump of the greedy idiot lying

Well that's what Democrats actually are, Communists. I know what it means because I went to the US Communist website. What I found is their agenda is nearly the same as the Democrat party.

It's root is socialism; government taking from one group and giving it to another to make everybody the same. You want to take money from the wealthy to pay for people that went to college that are now making up to 125K per year, and it applies to couples making 250K a year. Socialism.

Socialism is what they have in every other modern country and it is the final solution. Always democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net. Only brainwashed English speakers don't know it. Communism is a dictatorship and nobody is for that, that's why they are dead now. So yes they are for socialism over this savage capitalism we have now. All four of them. Fair taxation that is not a huge giveaway to the rich is not communism, brainwashed functional moron.

 

[francoHFW]

Well that's what Democrats actually are, Communists. I know what it means because I went to the US Communist website. What I found is their agenda is nearly the same as the Democrat party.

It's root is socialism; government taking from one group and giving it to another to make everybody the same. You want to take money from the wealthy to pay for people that went to college that are now making up to 125K per year, and it applies to couples making 250K a year. Socialism.

The last 40 years, our GOP tax rate government has been taking from regular people and giving it to the rich, for crying out loud. You're unbelievable.

 

[Cellblock2429]

SEE House Bill Would Reform Tax Code, Eliminate IRS

Saturday January 14, 2023



What Rep. Buddy Carter, R-Ga., and Rep. Kat Cammack, R-Fla., avoid telling their constituents is, the FairTax, which they are trying to shove down the throats of the American people . .

• creates an entirely new tax,
• creates two new tax collecting agencies, an “Excise Tax Bureau” and the “Sales Tax Bureau", in addition to keeping the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms alive which will also be collecting taxes.
• keeps Congress’ power to lay and collect excise taxes calculated from incomes alive,
• requires taxpayers to file Fair Tax returns twelve times a year,
• requires ordinary working people to register with government in order to sell the property each has in their own labor,
• requires ordinary people to become tax collectors for government.
• requires taxpayers to keep whatever records Congress may dream up,
• and creates a new entitlement, the Family Consumption Allowance [a monthly government check sent to every family in the U.S.] that would become another wedge issue used during election time to buy votes.

Why on earth would any “conservative” politician support this rope-a-dope proposal which enlarges and strengthens the federal government’s iron grip around the American people’s necks?
If Rep. Buddy Carter, R-Ga., and Rep. Kat Cammack, R-Fla., are really determined to offer meaningful federal tax reform, they would introduce the FAIR SHARE BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT which begins as follows:

“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed, and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay any tax or burden calculated from sales, profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s original tax plan as they intended it to operate! They would also end the experiment with allowing Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from lawfully earned “incomes” which now oppresses America‘s economic engine and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling the property each has in their own labor, not to mention they would end federal taxation being used as a political weapon to harass and attack political opponents!

JWK

When Federal Reserve Notes were made a legal tender in violation of our Constitution, and a direct un-apportioned tax was imposed upon the people without their consent, America’s free enterprise, free market system was subjugated, and the tools of oppression were made available to some very immoral and nefariously evil people

/—-/ You add things in you’re willing to negotiate away to get a bipartisan bill passed.

 

[Cellblock2429]

The last 40 years, our GOP tax rate government has been taking from regular people and giving it to the rich, for crying out loud. You're unbelievable.

/——/ That’s not how the tax code works, you hysterical, blithering idiot.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Yeah, and no more free rides for the industrialist, corporations, and billionaires.

/——/ That’s not how any of this works.

 

[francoHFW]

Well that's what Democrats actually are, Communists. I know what it means because I went to the US Communist website. What I found is their agenda is nearly the same as the Democrat party.

It's root is socialism; government taking from one group and giving it to another to make everybody the same. You want to take money from the wealthy to pay for people that went to college that are now making up to 125K per year, and it applies to couples making 250K a year. Socialism.

There are plenty of rich people in Japan and France and Germany and Sweden and England and Canada and New Zealand, they just aren't as ridiculously rich as ours. It is ridiculous here..

 

[francoHFW]

/——/ That’s not how the tax code works, you hysterical, blithering idiot.

The rich are taxed too little about 27% of in all taxes period everyone else is taxed too much, about 27% in all taxes. We have the worst inequality of anywhere ever at this point. Sorry you missed the rape of the middle class under the GOP, super duper.

 

[Cellblock2429]

There are plenty of rich people in Japan and France and Germany and Sweden and England and Canada and New Zealand, they just aren't as ridiculously rich as ours. It is ridiculous here..

/——/ Thanks for admitting there’s a better opportunity in the good old USA for prosperity.

 

[Lesh]

/——/ Thanks for admitting there’s a better opportunity in the good old USA for prosperity.

Especially for rich folks

 

[francoHFW]

/——/ Thanks for admitting there’s a better opportunity in the good old USA for prosperity.

Not prosperity, anti American wealth based on unfair taxes.
The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 40 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb...able=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010
4 = Prudent Bear Fund
4 = The Fed - Financial Accounts of the United States - Z.1 - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

 

[frigidweirdo]

the beauty of the fair tax: Everyone pays, including illegals, pimps, prostitutes, drug dealers- the people freeloading now

But probably not the rich.

What is needed is more people power into what is fair for taxes.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Not prosperity, anti American wealth based on unfair taxes.
The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 60 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb...able=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010
4 = Prudent Bear Fund
4 = The Fed - Financial Accounts of the United States - Z.1 - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

// And yet we have a higher standard of living. Sure, the tax code is broken and needs a major overhaul.

 

[Lesh]

But probably not the rich.

What is needed is more people power into what is fair for taxes.

For a "fair tax" to be revenue neutral it would increase taxes on the middle class and poor and lower taxes on the rich.