Republicans notably silent, split as Trump probe deepens

[Billo_Really]

Says you with no evidence. That makes you a liar.

When has Trump ever told the truth?

 

[B. Kidd]

JC are you dumb or what. You think they were just left on the floor you retarded idiot???

LOLOLOL.........We'll sort it out dingleberry

The staged document photo really was convincing.....to ultra stupid TDS-bots!!

 

[j-mac]

Debates require people to read and respond to arguments.

Something you’ve decided not to do.

Nah, I’d love to….but I can’t find any leftist willing to back up their assertions….And you’re proving to be no different…

I asked you….

”Allright, before I go any further....show evidence that Gregg Jarrett was a "Violent druggie"....”

And originally you posted…

”He’s lucky the Minneapolis Police should have cuffed him, threw him on the ground and kneeled on his neck until he died.”

No link, (you posted that later)

Just hate…What am I supposed to do with that ?…

 

[themirrorthief]

You want to claim that the entire FBI is willing to lie just to unfairly target trump. That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard, and I have read a lot of stupid right wing posts.

not everyone can be a certified genius like you sweet cheeks

 

[j-mac]

When has Trump ever told the truth?

We get it…lefties hate Trump….

 

[Billo_Really]

We get it…lefties hate Trump….

No, you don't get it......Trump lies!

 

[BackAgain]

Putting aside partisanship….and any what abouts, doesn’t it concern you that those documents were first, taken by Trump and second, refused to be returned?

Hi Coyote . No. I think your questions are a bit partisan. But a President taking temporary possession of documents isn’t concerning at all. Why should it be? And if “refusing” [sic] to return them was so concerning, why would the NA and government lawyers have engaged in “negotiations” over them for so long?

That is serious national security information. If it was deliberate, why?

It isn’t serious national security if it has been declassified.

Even claiming it was declassified is still horrible.

How so?

It means he cared so little (or was dangerously stupid) that he had not problem with those documents becoming publically available even to foreign governments.

Maybe there’s not legitimate reason for them to remain classified? You don’t seem to include that possibility on your argument.

This is what I simply cannot understand.

Of course you can. You’re just not trying.

 

[j-mac]

No, you don't get it......Trump lies!

No, I do get it … people like you wake up every morning sneering at the mirror saying how much you hate Trump….Well, get prepared, He’s going to be your President again if he runs.

 

[BackAgain]

When has Trump ever told the truth?

Another brain dead question from little Dildo_really.

 

[Billo_Really]

No, I do get it … people like you wake up every morning sneering at the mirror saying how much you hate Trump….Well, get prepared, He’s going to be your President again if he runs.

This country is not going to elect a wannabe Russian!

 

[BULLDOG]

And that is why if they come to our territory in a war many will help them. They will take deep blue cities over easily anyway.

Right, because our miliary wouldn't fight to protect the blue cities as hard as they would to protect the red ones. You know you are an idiot, right?

not everyone can be a certified genius like you sweet cheeks

But do you always have to gather all the crazies into one big pile?

 

[j-mac]

This country is not going to elect a wannabe Russian!

Lol….this is going to be fun to watch your melt down….

 

[Billo_Really]

Lol….this is going to be fun to watch your melt down….

I'm not a patty melt.

 

[j-mac]

I'm not a patty melt.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Conservatives around here were going ballistic when this story first broke. Blah blah blah civil war blah blah blah. As we’re learning more, it looks like there was something Trump shouldn’t have done. I don’t know if it was nefarious or just careless from Trump. Trumpsters have calmed down significantly as these details are emerging.

I want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt and just say that he did something stupid because he doesn’t know his way around government policies and because he’s not smart. But…knowing him, nothing would surprise me either.

 

[Coyote]

Hi Coyote . No. I think your questions are a bit partisan.

I disagree.

But a President taking temporary possession of documents isn’t concerning at all. Why should it be?

Because he hasn’t been president for two years AND there are laws that define what a president is supposed to do with them when he leaves office, not two years later.

And if “refusing” [sic] to return them was so concerning, why would the NA and government lawyers have engaged in “negotiations” over them for so long?

I think that answer is easy. They are dealing with an ex president in an unprecedented and sensitive situation With potential for a lot of fall out. You and I would not be treated that way.

It isn’t serious national security if it has been declassified.

It is either way. If it was declassified it was done so outside of normal channels and procedures, which means no checks and balances or agency input. No president “knows” everything about everything. They can’t. That’s why why the have a team of advisors and specialists. Based on statements to date that did not happen. The supposed “declassification” was unilateral and sloppy.

How so?

Maybe there’s not legitimate reason for them to remain classified? You don’t seem to include that possibility on your argument.

Of course you can. You’re just not trying.

Maybe, but if so, why wasn’t it done through normal channels?

How often are top secret documents containing information on our agents and assets completely declassified?

Question to you: is this good?

 

[BackAgain]

I disagree.

You’re allowed.

Because he hasn’t been president for two years

A bit less.

AND there are laws that define what a president is supposed to do with them when he leaves office, not two years later.

Not 1.5 years even. So?

I think that answer is easy. They are dealing with an ex president in an unprecedented and sensitive situation With potential for a lot of fall out.

So, you imagine this is unprecedented? Any support for that?

You and I would not be treated that way.

I don’t plan on ever being President or former President. However, the PRA is still not a criminal statute.

It is either way. If it was declassified it was done so outside of normal channels and procedures, which means no checks and balances or agency input. No president “knows” everything about everything. They can’t. That’s why why the have a team of advisors and specialists. Based on statements to date that did not happen. The supposed “declassification” was unilateral and sloppy.

That doesn’t mean much since you and I don’t know what was classified. What were they classified for? For example, did they classify something to conceal some of their own prior behavior? If an agent’s director has knowingly engaged in “official” behavior of a “dubious” nature for partisan political reasons, the paperwork would be best kept untraveled. Hey! Maybe we mark it “top secret.” That just might work! (Their subjective reason to mark it “classified” might not have any relationship to a genuine concern.)

Maybe, but if so, why wasn’t it done through normal channels?

When was it done? I can’t claim to know. But I’ll assume you don’t know, either. What if this was material he was reviewing concerning the “Russia Russia Russia” nonsense of the “Pee tapes” or maybe some information about the Ukrainian bribery matter or some information about the questioned election activity? I’d say any person could reasonably conclude that the need for confidentiality in those “cases” was bullshit.

How often are top secret documents containing information on our agents and assets completely declassified?

I don’t know. Do you? Heck, for that matter, on what basis do you claim that they actually did contain such information? The fact that some FBI agent(s) said so it that the DOJ claimed it? I wonder if they are reliable here?

Question to you: is this good?

Is what good? Your speculation? It’s ok. I guess the better question is “is it true?” Or, are you (just possibly) being misled?

By the way. I’m not claiming I know, either. But I have reason the believe that this search warrant thing isn’t what it appears to be.

 

[Coyote]

You’re allowed.

A bit less.

Not 1.5 years even. So?

Either way…either way, he is not the President.

So, you imagine this is unprecedented? Any support for that?

Can you come with another instance where:
1. The FBI raided an ex-president’s home?
2. An ex-president retained top secret classified material and refused to return it?

I don’t plan on ever being President or former President. However, the PRA is still not a criminal statute.

You don’t have to be POTUS….rich, famous…that’ll help.

That doesn’t mean much since you and I don’t know what was classified. What were they classified for?

For example, did they classify something to conceal some of their own prior behavior? If an agent’s director has knowingly engaged in “official” behavior of a “dubious” nature for partisan political reasons, the paperwork would be best kept untraveled. Hey! Maybe we mark it “top secret.” That just might work! (Their subjective reason to mark it “classified” might not have any relationship to a genuine concern.)

That is always a possibility, but how likely is it that that many documents fall in that category or that they would be marked Top Secret Compartmentalized?

Probability says not likely.

When was it done? I can’t claim to know. But I’ll assume you don’t know, either.

Was it done? The only thing we is that 588 days, 17 hours and 38 minutes after he lost his job, he is claiming he de-classified them. Without any evidence or corroboration.

And that was AFTER a raft of other excuses….

What if this was material he was reviewing concerning the “Russia Russia Russia” nonsense of the “Pee tapes” or maybe some information about the Ukrainian bribery matter or some information about the questioned election activity? I’d say any person could reasonably conclude that the need for confidentiality in those “cases” was bullshit.

Kind of depends. Stuff like grand jury testimony or the identity of spies would still need to be. Anyway we do know some of the material was not that and we don’t know any of the material was that.

I don’t know. Do you? Heck, for that matter, on what basis do you claim that they actually did contain such information? The fact that some FBI agent(s) said so it that the DOJ claimed it? I wonder if they are reliable here?

The National Archive identified missing material, so it isn’t just the DoJ.

Is Trump reliable? Let’s revisit his ever changing justifications, denials and lies. The DoJ can be held accountable table. Can Trump?

Is what good? Your speculation? It’s ok. I guess the better question is “is it true?” Or, are you (just possibly) being misled?

If we don’t know what is true, on which side would you rather err? At the moment, believing this is a set up by the DoJ requires a greater stretch of credibility. There is also a Trump appointed judge overseeing this.

By the way. I’m not claiming I know, either. But I have reason the believe that this search warrant thing isn’t what it appears to be.

What reason?

 

[ABikerSailor]

No, I do get it … people like you wake up every morning sneering at the mirror saying how much you hate Trump….Well, get prepared, He’s going to be your President again if he runs.

Wanna make a 2 tier bet?

I'll bet you 50 bucks that Trump will not run again.

If Trump does for whatever reason decide to throw his hat in the ring again, I'll bet you 1,000 dollars that he doesn't win. Hell, even if he does throw his hat in the ring, he's gonna be extremely lucky if he makes it through the primaries and becomes the GOP candidate again. Republicans are starting to see who he really is, and he's starting to become toxic to them.

 

[j-mac]

Wanna make a 2 tier bet?

I'll bet you 50 bucks that Trump will not run again.

If Trump does for whatever reason decide to throw his hat in the ring again, I'll bet you 1,000 dollars that he doesn't win. Hell, even if he does throw his hat in the ring, he's gonna be extremely lucky if he makes it through the primaries and becomes the GOP candidate again. Republicans are starting to see who he really is, and he's starting to become toxic to them.

Only a fool bets politics….you a fool sure enough