Republicans Have Forsaken Any Claim to "Fiscal Responsibility"

[NYcarbineer]

I am not at all shy about my beliefs, and write quite a bit...why, then do you feel it necessary to fabricate my attitudes?

Unless you can provide a post of mine where I have said that, you have identified yourself as a putrid prevaricator.

Again.

I think the non-pretentious word you were looking for was 'liar'. Be brief, concise, and to the point and you will make many here much less likely to ignore your painfully long tortuous ramblings, which, I can assure you, most are doing now.

If you wish to state, unequivocally, that you don't think teachers making 60,000 a year are overpaid,

then I'll stand corrected on the error of over-generalization.

Is this a retraction?

Not if you're not going to unequivocally state your position.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I think the non-pretentious word you were looking for was 'liar'. Be brief, concise, and to the point and you will make many here much less likely to ignore your painfully long tortuous ramblings, which, I can assure you, most are doing now.

If you wish to state, unequivocally, that you don't think teachers making 60,000 a year are overpaid,

then I'll stand corrected on the error of over-generalization.

Is this a retraction?

Not if you're not going to unequivocally state your position.

Stop quibbling.

You know that you are unable to find any quote of mine where I said what you said I
said...

the honorable thing in to retract the attribution.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Is this a retraction?

Not if you're not going to unequivocally state your position.

Stop quibbling.

You know that you are unable to find any quote of mine where I said what you said I
said...

the honorable thing in to retract the attribution.

I reached the conclusion from the sum total of my accumulated observations of your attitudes to toward teacher's unions, labor in general, public service in general.

Since you are now unwilling to simply deny the accuracy of my conclusion derived from the, let's say, circumstantial evidence your copious ramblings,

I am wholly justified in retaining as valid my original conclusion.

And, as a bonus, I am up to this point proving beyond a reasonable doubt that you are one of those posters who is almost pathologically incapable of taking a firm, strong, unequivocal position on certain issues,

which is, I should add, a glaring symptom of your ill-disguised lack of self-esteem and self-confidence. That and your slavish addiction to relying on the quoted opinions of others to say what you think might be some semblance of your own addled view.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not if you're not going to unequivocally state your position.

Stop quibbling.

You know that you are unable to find any quote of mine where I said what you said I
said...

the honorable thing in to retract the attribution.

I reached the conclusion from the sum total of my accumulated observations of your attitudes to toward teacher's unions, labor in general, public service in general.

Since you are now unwilling to simply deny the accuracy of my conclusion derived from the, let's say, circumstantial evidence your copious ramblings,

I am wholly justified in retaining as valid my original conclusion.

And, as a bonus, I am up to this point proving beyond a reasonable doubt that you are one of those posters who is almost pathologically incapable of taking a firm, strong, unequivocal position on certain issues,

which is, I should add, a glaring symptom of your ill-disguised lack of self-esteem and self-confidence. That and your slavish addiction to relying on the quoted opinions of others to say what you think might be some semblance of your own addled view.

How laughable...

first you lie, as in "..a teacher making 60,000 a year is overpaid." was a statement of mine, when, of course, you simply made it up....

then you give me a neg for pointing out your lie.....


what a simp you are.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Stop quibbling.

You know that you are unable to find any quote of mine where I said what you said I
said...

the honorable thing in to retract the attribution.

I reached the conclusion from the sum total of my accumulated observations of your attitudes to toward teacher's unions, labor in general, public service in general.

Since you are now unwilling to simply deny the accuracy of my conclusion derived from the, let's say, circumstantial evidence your copious ramblings,

I am wholly justified in retaining as valid my original conclusion.

And, as a bonus, I am up to this point proving beyond a reasonable doubt that you are one of those posters who is almost pathologically incapable of taking a firm, strong, unequivocal position on certain issues,

which is, I should add, a glaring symptom of your ill-disguised lack of self-esteem and self-confidence. That and your slavish addiction to relying on the quoted opinions of others to say what you think might be some semblance of your own addled view.

How laughable...

first you lie, as in "..a teacher making 60,000 a year is overpaid." was a statement of mine, when, of course, you simply made it up....

then you give me a neg for pointing out your lie.....


what a simp you are.

I gave you a neg for claiming that I lied before.

And I didn't quote you as saying that, I said you were the kind of person who believed that sort of thing. From the various bits of evidence, such as your quoting Ann Coulter to support your argument, in a thread about teaching, where she says teachers are overpaid. Your refusal to deny the point of view merely confirms my suspicion.

All you have to do is state your position on the specific issue.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No one who voted for, or supported the new tax bill, Stimulus II, and claim to be fiscally responsible. Period.

At best, you could claim that it was somehow worth being fiscally irresponsible in exchange for some greater good (whatever that might be) but fiscally responsible is no longer among your merit badges.

 

[SwordofDamocles]

No one who voted for, or supported the new tax bill, Stimulus II, and claim to be fiscally responsible. Period.

At best, you could claim that it was somehow worth being fiscally irresponsible in exchange for some greater good (whatever that might be) but fiscally responsible is no longer among your merit badges.

Guess we'll see what the voters think in 2012.

 

[Chris]

Richard Trumka: Republicans Have Forsaken Any Claim to "Fiscal Responsibility"

The mythology that lowering taxes for the rich is a good thing is going to destroy America.

Reagan and the two Bushes created 93% of the National Debt by lowering taxes for the rich.

Reagan's own budget director recently called it the biggest financial mistake ever made.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I reached the conclusion from the sum total of my accumulated observations of your attitudes to toward teacher's unions, labor in general, public service in general.

Since you are now unwilling to simply deny the accuracy of my conclusion derived from the, let's say, circumstantial evidence your copious ramblings,

I am wholly justified in retaining as valid my original conclusion.

And, as a bonus, I am up to this point proving beyond a reasonable doubt that you are one of those posters who is almost pathologically incapable of taking a firm, strong, unequivocal position on certain issues,

which is, I should add, a glaring symptom of your ill-disguised lack of self-esteem and self-confidence. That and your slavish addiction to relying on the quoted opinions of others to say what you think might be some semblance of your own addled view.

How laughable...

first you lie, as in "..a teacher making 60,000 a year is overpaid." was a statement of mine, when, of course, you simply made it up....

then you give me a neg for pointing out your lie.....


what a simp you are.

I gave you a neg for claiming that I lied before.

And I didn't quote you as saying that, I said you were the kind of person who believed that sort of thing. From the various bits of evidence, such as your quoting Ann Coulter to support your argument, in a thread about teaching, where she says teachers are overpaid. Your refusal to deny the point of view merely confirms my suspicion.

All you have to do is state your position on the specific issue.

You buffoon, you didn't ask me to state any position before you attributed one to me...

I guess you put on your shoes before you put on your socks.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How laughable...

first you lie, as in "..a teacher making 60,000 a year is overpaid." was a statement of mine, when, of course, you simply made it up....

then you give me a neg for pointing out your lie.....


what a simp you are.

I gave you a neg for claiming that I lied before.

And I didn't quote you as saying that, I said you were the kind of person who believed that sort of thing. From the various bits of evidence, such as your quoting Ann Coulter to support your argument, in a thread about teaching, where she says teachers are overpaid. Your refusal to deny the point of view merely confirms my suspicion.

All you have to do is state your position on the specific issue.

You buffoon, you didn't ask me to state any position before you attributed one to me...

I guess you put on your shoes before you put on your socks.

Barring any evidence or statements explicitly to the contrary, it appears that my educated guess was reasonably accurate.

By your logic, everyone who has ever called Obama a Marxist is a liar, since they can't produce a 'quote' of Obama saying 'I am a Marxist'. Or 'socialist'. Or 'leftist'.

Do you agree or disagree with Ann Coulter's statement that teachers are overpaid? Is she full of shit, or right on target?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Those darn Democrats. Helping people to put away money for their old age. Helping people own "homes". "Helping people".

Republicans help 1.7% of the top income earners. I guess they feel "quality above quantity". For Republicans, only "rich people" matter. Everyone else? Not so much.

Now deanie-weanie, the OP clearly stated that this thread was an indictment of the uncontrolled spending of Democrats,...whoever read the OP to you must have left out that part.

Could you define "only "rich people" ?

I hate to burden you in that way...let me help:

1. The unspoken assumption is that there is something morally wrong with inequalities. Where is the explanation of what would be a ‘fair share’ for the wealthy to give up? Irving Kristol, as editor of ‘Public Interest,’ wrote to professors who had written about the unfairness of income distribution, asking them to write an article as to what a ‘fair distribution’ would be; he has never gotten that article. Irving Kristol, “Neoconservative: the Autobiography of an Idea,” p. 166

2. Who are the rich that are so envied, and reviled? Entrepreneurs, small businessmen, corporate executives, doctors, lawyers, just plain Americans…not royalty. The reason to deprive them of rewards with no tangible benefits to oneself: envy.

a. Everyone, it seems, wants to believe that he is just as good as the next guy, and in a democracy, the government adds its authority by the ‘leveling’ process. “ But what his heart whispers to him, and the law proclaims, the society around him incessantly denies: certain people are richer, more powerful than he, others are reputed to be wiser, more intelligent. The contradiction between social reality and the combined wishes of his heart and the law, therefore incites and nourishes a devouring passion in everyone: the passion for equality. It will never cease until social reality is made to conform with his and the law’s wishes.” Pierre Manent, “An Intellectual History of Liberalism,” p. 107-8.

b. The tried and true strategy for coping with the knowledge that others are a cut above, is to find a way to bring down the more fortunate. “And so the leveling process grinds insensately on. The Wall Street Journal recently reprinted a Kurt Vonnegut story, which the paper retitled "It Seemed Like Fiction"…Vonnegut saw the trend and envisioned the day when Americans would achieve perfect equality: persons of superior intelligence required to wear mental handicap radios that emit a sharp noise every twenty seconds to keep them from taking unfair advantage of their brains, persons of superior strength or grace burdened with weights, those of uncommon beauty forced to wear masks.” Hard Truths About the Culture War


Envy, deanie....it's your envy.

So you think "rich people" are somehow "better"? Now that is hilarious. But it certainly defines the Republican Party. Next, they'll be electing Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie, both "a CUT above".

You have to keep in mind that modern conservatives largely derive their economic inspirations from Ronald Reagan,

whose infamous MENTOR, Jude Wanniski, is said to have once proclaimed:

“...the poor have become fat and happy, the rich impoverished. This is why we are in the fix we are in...."

Save that as ammo the next time you hear someone accuse the LEFT of class warfare.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Behind every insolvent city or state is a union.

And behind every job sent overseas is a Republican.

Wrong. Behind every job sent overseas is an American consumer who wants to buy cheaper goods from abroad.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Well, the business cycle is the underlying cause of all recessions and recoveries/expansions.

But if you want specifics about the Reagan era, the page below, for example, is a reasonable overview:

President Reagan's Economic Policies

I have no doubt that the reduction in interest rates played a huge role in the economic recovery, but you cannot conclusively say it was the only reason and simply ignore the fact that income tax rates had been the lowest ever in a few generations. You're using your own bias to ignore the other factors you've already decided you don't agree with.

I've heard several of the leftists on this board claim that the Bush tax cuts from 2001 did nothing to create jobs because we are at an almost 10% unemployment rate today. Well, using that logic, you cannot claim that lower interest rates were really what saved Reagan because the prime rate is barely above 0% right now (it was 0.15% last I checked two weeks ago), the lowest it's ever been and look at employment today.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Republicans Have Forsaken Any Claim to "Fiscal Responsibility"

....Since 1980!!!!!!!!!

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[NYcarbineer]

Well, the business cycle is the underlying cause of all recessions and recoveries/expansions.

But if you want specifics about the Reagan era, the page below, for example, is a reasonable overview:

President Reagan's Economic Policies

I have no doubt that the reduction in interest rates played a huge role in the economic recovery, but you cannot conclusively say it was the only reason and simply ignore the fact that income tax rates had been the lowest ever in a few generations. You're using your own bias to ignore the other factors you've already decided you don't agree with.

I've heard several of the leftists on this board claim that the Bush tax cuts from 2001 did nothing to create jobs because we are at an almost 10% unemployment rate today. Well, using that logic, you cannot claim that lower interest rates were really what saved Reagan because the prime rate is barely above 0% right now (it was 0.15% last I checked two weeks ago), the lowest it's ever been and look at employment today.

Are you ignoring the fact that Reagan ballooned the deficit? That represents massive government spending that was being paid for by borrowing, as opposed to being paid for with tax revenues, thus giving the economy tens of billions of dollars worth of 'free' spending stimulus.

Are you also ignoring the fact that our economy has come out of many recessions without the benefit of budget busting tax cuts?

 

[The T]

Well, the business cycle is the underlying cause of all recessions and recoveries/expansions.

But if you want specifics about the Reagan era, the page below, for example, is a reasonable overview:

President Reagan's Economic Policies

I have no doubt that the reduction in interest rates played a huge role in the economic recovery, but you cannot conclusively say it was the only reason and simply ignore the fact that income tax rates had been the lowest ever in a few generations. You're using your own bias to ignore the other factors you've already decided you don't agree with.

I've heard several of the leftists on this board claim that the Bush tax cuts from 2001 did nothing to create jobs because we are at an almost 10% unemployment rate today. Well, using that logic, you cannot claim that lower interest rates were really what saved Reagan because the prime rate is barely above 0% right now (it was 0.15% last I checked two weeks ago), the lowest it's ever been and look at employment today.

Are you ignoring the fact that Reagan ballooned the deficit? That represents massive government spending that was being paid for by borrowing, as opposed to being paid for with tax revenues, thus giving the economy tens of billions of dollars worth of 'free' spending stimulus.

Are you also ignoring the fact that our economy has come out of many recessions without the benefit of budget busting tax cuts?

And whom was in control of the purse strings then? Sorry. Ain't buying it. A POTUS cannot spend a dime without the Congress.

 

[JimH52]

Richard Trumka: Republicans Have Forsaken Any Claim to "Fiscal Responsibility"

Of course they have! They said the words and talked the talk and when they got the chance, they gave their promise of austerity to their rich friends. They agreed to borrow more money from China to prop up the rich. HYPOCRITES! They said what they had to, to win Congress. Now, back yo the game plan. I am sure furture speak Boner will cry his way out of this as he hands out checks on the House floor again...

But the Tea Baggers are watching and will make the GOP wish they have stuck to their word. Sarah and her half demented crowd with make them all suffer in 2012.

You post screams out for a fuller analysis...

1. "Nearly one in five Americans, or 45 million adults, experienced some form of mental illness last year, according to a major US government survey published on Friday.
The 18-25 age group reported the most mental illness, and more women than men were afflicted, said Peter Delany, a doctor who heads behavioral research at the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration.

"One in five people have suffered from a mental illness in the past year. That is a lot of people," Delany told AFP"
One in five Americans had mental illness last year: survey

And by an amazing coincidence,...look where we also see a 'one out of five'...

2. "PRINCETON, NJ -- Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s."
"Conservatives" Are Single-Largest Ideological Group



Now, let's see how these facts line up with your precise "...Sarah and her half demented crowd ..."


3. "Of the Tea Party supporters who responded, 20 percent make more than $100,000, versus 14 percent for the general pool of people polled. Fourteen percent of Tea Party supporters have a post-graduate education, compared with 10 percent for the general public. Twenty-three percent of Tea Party supporters have a college degree, compared with 15 percent for the general public, according to the poll. The 18 percent of people who counted themselves among the Tea Party crowd are also mostly white, male and older than 45 years old. "
FoxNews.com - Tea Party Supporters Richer, More Educated Than Most, Poll Finds

Nice projection there, Jimmy.
Oops...your keeper is calling!

So, you can't really refute the GOP=Hypocrite label. You need to post meaningless garbage. The voters will soon realize that all the talk of "pay as you go" was a BIG ;IE. Give the Rich my taking from the Poor. That has always been the GOP platform. Even before the GOP swears in its new House Majority, they go back on their promise to the public.