Republicans have a poor understanding of economics. They should have no place in making policy

Hey, Zeke, since food stamps chiefly benefits big Ag companies why are you in favor of more corporate welfare?


wtf are you talking about now rabbit? Food stamps mostly benefit the hungry people who get them.

But go ahead and quote the post where I called for more corporate welfare.

On top of that rabbit, after seeing you write hundreds of words about how there is no corporate welfare, you now, finally admit that there is corporate welfare.

That is progress for a rabbit.
 
Hey, Zeke, since food stamps chiefly benefits big Ag companies why are you in favor of more corporate welfare?


wtf are you talking about now rabbit? Food stamps mostly benefit the hungry people who get them.

But go ahead and quote the post where I called for more corporate welfare.

On top of that rabbit, after seeing you write hundreds of words about how there is no corporate welfare, you now, finally admit that there is corporate welfare.

That is progress for a rabbit.
There are no hungry people in this country, Zeke. There are lots of obese people, though.
Wouldnt you want government to give people money on the condition they buy your products only? This is simply proven as well as common sense. People who use food stamps tend to buy name brand goods because they're not paying for them. People spending their own money buy store brands. Which group makes Big Ag more money?
You're just pissed because you can't buy Blatz with your food stamps.
 
Hey, Zeke, since food stamps chiefly benefits big Ag companies why are you in favor of more corporate welfare?


wtf are you talking about now rabbit? Food stamps mostly benefit the hungry people who get them.

But go ahead and quote the post where I called for more corporate welfare.

On top of that rabbit, after seeing you write hundreds of words about how there is no corporate welfare, you now, finally admit that there is corporate welfare.

That is progress for a rabbit.
Please cite where I said there was no corporate welfare. Tht would be absurd.
 
Republicans only econonic solutions are deregulation and cutting taxes for corporations/the wealthy. Both of these methods do next to nothing to help the overall economy.

Regulations cost GDP 2% every year. Now even if you were irresponsible and stupid enough to undo ALL regulations for the sake of growth, you would only be boosting 2%. The growth of that is not nearly worth the chaos that would ensue.

Cutting taxes for corporations does jack shit for the economy in general. Stimuluating supply means dick if you don't stimuluate demand. The extra supply that is created does not meet any increase in demand. This means there is no increase in business just because a company has more to sell. Not only that, but cutting taxes only makes the government borrow more which means more debt. The proposed republican tax cuts would add 440 billion to our national debt.

The recent "experiment" failure in Kansas' economy and the pathetic job growth under Bush proves this.

See the republicans you people elect know this. They say they want to help you but in reality they only care about keeping the wealthy happy.

The reality is that the best way to stimulate economic growth is by stimulating the middle class. That is the driving force of our consumption based economy. Republicans have barely done anything for the middle class since Reagan.

Obama's stimulus created close to 3 million jobs. Why? Because it gave the middle class the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan. It also extended unemployment benefits for the millions who lost their jobs against their will. This allowed them to spend money they wouldn't have otherwise spent because they were unemployed.

This is what you call demand-side economics.


Its so hilarious that you liberals decry that the economy is getting better than Obama.

OK, so if it is getting better, he didn't do it by raising taxes. In fact he extended the "Bush Tax Cuts".

Then you turn around and complain about tax breaks for "corporations and the wealthy". So, did Obama makes these tax breaks? Or did the Republicans magically do these tax breaks without a super majority in Congress?
 
Wow, irony on steroids here.
A troll thread from Billy Three-Zip, whose name represents all he knows.
Hey, Billy. Remind us how government spending creates a mulitplier but spending by private companies doesn.t
I can't believe I have to explain this to you again. Stimuluating supply doesn't do jack shit do stimuluate demand which is how our economy works. The economy thrives on consumer spending. Stimulating supply would make sense if demand was stimulated just as much but republicans don't do that. They are morons like you.

The unemployed have no money to spend over time. Benefits gives them money. Consumer spending creates economic growth. Every dollar spent on businesses gives them profit. This isn't hard to figure out. This is capitalism 101.

Also, every dollar lost in revenue is replaced by 1.64 in growth. Bush's tax cuts only created .59 cents in growth for every dollar lost in revenue
Let me remind you how it was the oil and natural gas industries that saved this economy from the ******* shitter. Industries dominated by Republican voters, top to bottom. Industries who, on their own, developed and perfected the process of high volume high pressure hydraulic fracturing. The result? Just look at North Dakota and it's insanely low unemployment. These are middle-class shlubs with no secondary education making six figure incomes. Folks with that kind of money buy shit- houses, cars, whores. Whores! You see? They are why YOU have a job! :slap:

Cheap plentiful natural gas is rejuvenating domestic industries and drawing factories back into the U.S. Factories that employ Americans who make money and buy shit.

Oversupplies of domestic crude have driven down prices and put billions back into the pockets of all Americans. That money BUYS shit and keeps whores like you employed.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=https://www.sba.gov/sites/default/files/The%20Impact%20of%20Regulatory%20Costs%20on%20Small%20Firms%20%28Full%29.pdf&ei=jsyrVPbJJ8qQyATE5YKgAw&usg=AFQjCNGN8xytk7jqI6ramJo1yAUaXKsddg&bvm=bv.82001339,d.aWw&cad=rja

The annual cost of federal regulations in the United States increased to more than $1.75 trillion in 2008. Had every U.S. household paid an equal share of the federal regulatory burden, each would have owed $15,586 in 2008. By comparison, the federal regulatory burden exceeds by 50 percent private spending on health care, which equaled $10,500 per household in 2008. While all citizens and businesses pay some portion of these costs, the distribution of the burden of regulations is quite uneven. The portion of regulatory costs that falls initially on businesses was $8,086 per employee in 2008. Small businesses, defined as firms employing fewer than 20 employees, bear the largest burden of federal regulations. As of 2008, small businesses face an annual regulatory cost of $10,585 per employee, which is 36 percent higher than the regulatory cost facing large firms (defined as firms with 500 or more employees).

Your link:


This report was developed under a contract with the Small Business Administration,
Office of Advocacy, and contains information and analysis that was reviewed and edited by officials of the Office of Advocacy. However , the final conclusions of the report do not necessarily reflect the views of the Office of Advocacy.


Report knocks legs from under study saying regulations cost the economy $1.75 trillion




The SBA-commissioner study by Nicole V. Crain and W. Mark Crain was, it seems, a ready-made tool for the crew who would like to take us back to 1925 on everything.

Just one problem. Their work is riddled with methodological errors and omissions, according to CPR's analysis. But if you're not willing to take the word of an organization with "progressive" in its name, the non-partisan Congressional Research Service has released its own report, Analysis of an Estimate of the Total Costs of Federal Regulations [29-page pdf]. Here's a sample from the summary of what CRS found:

...Crain and Crain’s estimate for economic regulations (which comprises more than 70% of the $1.75 trillion estimate) was developed by using an index of “regulatory quality.” One of the authors of the regulatory quality index said that Crain and Crain misinterpreted and misused the index, resulting in an erroneous and overstated cost estimate. ...


Crain and Crain’s estimates for environmental, occupational safety and health, and homeland security regulations were developed by blending together academic studies (some of which are now more than 30 years old) with agencies’ estimates of regulatory costs that were developed before the rules were issued (some of which are now 20 years old). Although the agency estimates were typically presented as low-to-high ranges, Crain and Crain used only the highest cost estimates in their report. The Office of Management and Budget has said that estimates of the costs and benefits of regulations issued more than 10 years earlier are of “questionable relevance.” ...

Crain and Crain said they did not provide estimates of the benefits of regulations, even when the information was readily available, because the SBA Office of Advocacy did not ask them to do so. OMB’s reports to Congress have generally indicated that regulatory benefits exceed costs. Crain and Crain said their report was not meant to be a decision-making tool for lawmakers or federal regulatory agencies to use in choosing the “right” level of regulation.

They should be happy. Their report isn't being used as a decision-making tool to pick the right level of regulation. It's being used as propaganda by those whose goal, after you peel away all their boilerplate nonsense about unfair competitive advantage and "voluntary compliance," is to dismantle or defund every regulatory effort the government engages in, from food inspections to safety-on-the-job requirements. And you can rest assured that they will ignore the CRS report's debunking.


CRS: Critics Demonstrated That Researchers Cherry-Picked Data, Ignored Economic Benefits Of Regulations, And Used "Inherently Flawed" Methodology.

CPR: Study Used "Flimsy" And "Crude" Data. The Center for Progressive Reform -- in an analysis cited by the Congressional Research Service -- criticized the study's lack of transparency and condemned Crain and Crain for using "crude" data:


http://www.progressivereform.org/articles/CRS_Crain_and_Crain.pdf#page=2


SBA, Which Commissioned Earlier Study, Later Distanced Itself From It. After the 2010 report's fallout, the Small Business Administration posted an update on their website, writing that the findings of the study it commissioned "have been taken out of context and certain theoretical estimates of costs have been presented publicly as verifiable facts" and that the $1.75 trillion figure "was not intended to be considered a precise finding."

The Impact of Regulatory Costs on Small Firms The U.S. Small Business Administration SBA.gov




Crain and Crain’s OSHA cost estimates are way off base

Press Release: Poorly-researched Crain and Crain estimate of OSHA regulations leads to vastly overstated costs

Crain and Crain s OSHA cost estimates are way off base Economic Policy Institute
 
Republicans only econonic solutions are deregulation and cutting taxes for corporations/the wealthy. Both of these methods do next to nothing to help the overall economy.

Regulations cost GDP 2% every year. Now even if you were irresponsible and stupid enough to undo ALL regulations for the sake of growth, you would only be boosting 2%. The growth of that is not nearly worth the chaos that would ensue.

Cutting taxes for corporations does jack shit for the economy in general. Stimuluating supply means dick if you don't stimuluate demand. The extra supply that is created does not meet any increase in demand. This means there is no increase in business just because a company has more to sell. Not only that, but cutting taxes only makes the government borrow more which means more debt. The proposed republican tax cuts would add 440 billion to our national debt.

The recent "experiment" failure in Kansas' economy and the pathetic job growth under Bush proves this.

See the republicans you people elect know this. They say they want to help you but in reality they only care about keeping the wealthy happy.

The reality is that the best way to stimulate economic growth is by stimulating the middle class. That is the driving force of our consumption based economy. Republicans have barely done anything for the middle class since Reagan.

Obama's stimulus created close to 3 million jobs. Why? Because it gave the middle class the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan. It also extended unemployment benefits for the millions who lost their jobs against their will. This allowed them to spend money they wouldn't have otherwise spent because they were unemployed.

This is what you call demand-side economics.


Its so hilarious that you liberals decry that the economy is getting better than Obama.

OK, so if it is getting better, he didn't do it by raising taxes. In fact he extended the "Bush Tax Cuts".

Then you turn around and complain about tax breaks for "corporations and the wealthy". So, did Obama makes these tax breaks? Or did the Republicans magically do these tax breaks without a super majority in Congress?

Zero honesty from cons. Shocking
 
Please cite where I said there was no corporate welfare. Tht would be absurd.


Damn rabbit. List the corporate welfare that you would like to see eliminated.
What qualifies in your mind as to what corporate welfare is. Is it food stamps given to a CEO? That would be easy to be against.
Do oil companies get corporate welfare? What corporations get welfare. It's those terrible alt energy companies isn't it. That's what's got you agreeing there is corporate welfare. Right? And those are the ONLY corporations getting welfare. Right? LMAO rabbit.
 
Its so hilarious that you liberals decry that the economy is getting better than Obama.



It is getting better.........for Democrats ONLY.

You lazy ass Republicans won't get off your asses and go to work. Get a job, things will get better if you work.
Notice it is ONLY you Republican who whine every day about how bad things are. Get a clue. Things are bad for you cause you are lazy.
 
Please cite where I said there was no corporate welfare. Tht would be absurd.


Damn rabbit. List the corporate welfare that you would like to see eliminated.
What qualifies in your mind as to what corporate welfare is. Is it food stamps given to a CEO? That would be easy to be against.
Do oil companies get corporate welfare? What corporations get welfare. It's those terrible alt energy companies isn't it. That's what's got you agreeing there is corporate welfare. Right? And those are the ONLY corporations getting welfare. Right? LMAO rabbit.
OK, Zekester.
Please cite where I ever wrote there was no corporate welfare. I' waiting.
If you cant then apologize and shut the **** up.
 
Why am I not surprised that righties think historians don't produce anything of value, for the sole reason they usually place FDR at, or near, the top of the list.

You leftists truly believe that history began with Karl Marx. Much like the Catholic historians of the dark ages, all history is filtered through Marx and adjusted as needed to promote the goals of the deranged left.

I said that I think the disinterest in liberal arts is a mistake by the Capitalists, you have done grave damage with your perversion of history and the destruction of Western culture. You have achieved a dominance through the corruption you spread that you could never gain through force of arms.

But your surrender does go a long way to explain why Sarah "The Quitter" Palin idiotically thinks part of Paul Revere's ride was to warn the British. She must hold historians in contempt too?

Because you rely on hate sites to formulate that which substitutes for thought with you, you spew nonsensical bullshit; to the delight of your fellow drones.

Learning American History from Howard Zinn is no different than turning to Comedy Central for your source of news - both are the standard of the left.
 
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If you cant then apologize and shut the **** up.



LMAO. Apologize to a ******* stupid rabbit? Really. And shut up to boot. LMAO. Ain't happening rabbit. You know that.

And rabbit, I also ain't wasting my time on some asinine search.

Start a thread rabbit. Ask the question; folks, have you ever heard me, the rabbit, say that there was no corporate welfare. Y or N. Could be interesting rabbit.

And you didn't mention just what corporate welfare meant to YOU and which corporations are receiving corporate welfare. But it isn't the oil companies right rabbit? The hand out the oil companies receive is all deserved. Right rabbit? It's them alt energy companies. Isn't it? Who else is on your list rabbit?
 
It is getting better.........for Democrats ONLY.

You lazy ass Republicans won't get off your asses and go to work. Get a job, things will get better if you work.
Notice it is ONLY you Republican who whine every day about how bad things are. Get a clue. Things are bad for you cause you are lazy.

There is some unintentional truth to what you say,

Obama is a gangster, put in power by the Chicago mob. The crooked deals like Solyndra are designed to funnel billions in taxpayer money into the pockets of well connected crooks like Algore ($100 million in green cash)

Obama's fascist care scam is the biggest fraud in history. with a cool trillion dollars finding it's way to George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, oh and John Boehner

Leftists promote and delight at corruption.
 
It's a simple question, Dad...

How much debt has Barack Obama created during his six years in office compared to Ronald Reagan's eight years in office? Your continued insistence on using the percentage of increase is laughably misleading and you know it.

Dad is using correct comparisons. Percentage of GNP was the comparison all Republicans wanted to make in the first year of Obama's administration because it was higher than Bush's. Then it was pointed out that until October of 2008, they were still operating under Bush's last budget.

Since that time, Republican don't want to talk percentages of GNP because they make Obama look good compared to any Republican president. And if there's one thing Republicans can't stomach it's making Obama look good.

How exactly does Obama "look good" when it comes to debt, Dragonlady? How do you take the national debt to where he has in six years and "look good"?

You and Dad want to use percentage of GNP because it makes him look like less of the tax and spend liberal that he is. It's the same reason that Dad wants to use the percentage of increase over the previous President instead of simply looking at what a President has added to the debt.

And just between you and I...it's not like I have to work at finding things to make Barack Obama and his Administration look bad. They are the people who gave us brilliant (eye roll) concepts like "Leading from behind!" and "Don't do stupid stuff!" as their working blueprint. They managed to spend nearly two trillion dollars on a stimulus plan that created so few jobs they had to invent a new statistic "jobs created or saved" to hide just how bad it was. They radically changed 1/6th of the US economy with ObamaCare and lied to the American people in order to get that legislation passed. They have a foreign affairs strategy that is so naive and ill conceived that Obama and Kerry draw snickers of laughter from other world leaders. Their Administration is riddled with scandal. They've played fast and loose with more American laws than any group since Nixon left office.

Look good? You should be happy if they get through a month without looking like total IDIOTS!
 
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I'd say Republicans have a great understanding of economics. And of government.
After all, they know how to use government to distribute wealth to them and all their friends. The country is still basically living under the theory of Trickle Down economics from 1981. Just base everything around tax cuts, load up the pockets of big-time job creators and they'll expand business in America, invest in more employees, and in general, trickle the wealth down to every hard-working American who wants to participate.

Of course, it has never worked, but that's because their plan is truly a cynical one that was only ever meant to make their buddies in finance rich and so that they could use government as a revolving door into a cushy private industry job.

Ah...yes...another progressive that never took economics in college trying to pretend they understand the topic!

Show me how profits have EVER "trickled down" in a free market system? They've never trickled down in any business I've ever run! They trickle UP. I pay everyone else and then what's left over (if there is anything left over!) becomes my profit at which point people like you demand more because according to you...I'm not contributing enough.
 
Obama is a gangster, put in power by the Chicago mob. The crooked deals like Solyndra are designed to funnel billions in taxpayer money into the pockets of well connected crooks like Algore ($100 million in green cash)


Ya know, I hadn't heard that version of Obama Derangement Syndrome before.
Obama is a man of many colors and cohorts, isn't he?
He does it all and smirks at the same time.
What a thug.

OH MITTENS WHERE ART THOU MITTENS??
HOW COULD YOU LOSE
TO ATHUG FROM CHICAGO?

Drives you crazy just thinking about how the Republicans couldn't field any better candidates than they did.

I expect that really, the Republican party didn't really want the WH back until they had a Democrat President in the WH for eight years SO that the Republicans could then blame ALL of our debt on the Democrat.

And that's what Repubs are doing.

I think there will be a better candidate put froth this time around cause they WANT the Presidency this time.
After all, it's time for a Republican to **** things up again. You ever notice how nothing the Republicans try ever works out well for the working men and women?
 
If you cant then apologize and shut the **** up.



LMAO. Apologize to a ******* stupid rabbit? Really. And shut up to boot. LMAO. Ain't happening rabbit. You know that.

And rabbit, I also ain't wasting my time on some asinine search.

Start a thread rabbit. Ask the question; folks, have you ever heard me, the rabbit, say that there was no corporate welfare. Y or N. Could be interesting rabbit.

And you didn't mention just what corporate welfare meant to YOU and which corporations are receiving corporate welfare. But it isn't the oil companies right rabbit? The hand out the oil companies receive is all deserved. Right rabbit? It's them alt energy companies. Isn't it? Who else is on your list rabbit?
IOW you throw out lies and wont apologize.
Youre a drunk worthless shitbird, Zeke. I'm done with you.
 
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