Republicans can’t seem to accurately define what socialism is

[bripat9643]

The labor theory of value was proved wrong over 100 years ago.

Wrong.

If it was you would have no problem in demonstrating that knowledge for us now.

I'll prove it wrong right here and now:

On Monday the price of oranges is $1.00/lb. Monday night there is a severe cold wave in Florida. Half the orange crop dies. Tuesday the price of oranges is $3.00/lb. How did the amount of labor to produce each orange change between Monday and Tuesday?

You proved nothing but your ignorance of the difference between price and value. Value is intrinsic in a commodity while price fluctuates with external factors.

ROFL! So how is value caculated? What is the value of an orange?

Value is subjective. The value of any good or service depends who is evaluating it.

In other words, any claims about the value of a product independent of price are pure moonshine.

 

[kaz]

What difference was there between Hitler and Stalin?

I'd say Hitler straddled the line between authoritarian left and right while Stalin was full on authoritarian left. Mussolini was far right authoritarian.

You didn't answer shit. The question was what is the difference between Hitler and Stalin. Be specific. The inane sweeping shit means shit

Theres quite a few differences but to keep it simple, mainly in who they hated/blamed. Stalin hated the wealthy and hitler hated the Jews.

Izatrite?


“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” – Gregor Strasser - OberFuhrer of the Gerrman National Socialist Workers Party, #2 to Adolf Hitler.


{. The theme was that the country’s values were being undermined by ‘rootless cosmopolitans.’ There was a particularly vicious assault on [Jewish] theater critics, eventually described as ‘an anti-party group.’ When their Russianized names or pseudonyms were given, the original Jewish name was printed in brackets, and papers asked how anyone so named could understand Russian culture. Meanwhile unpublicized arrests [of Jews], especially of writers in Yiddish, continued, and there was a general growth of public anti-Jewish pressure. Among those arrested at the end of 1948 was Polina Molotov.} - Stalin's Anti-Semitism

Hmmm, not exactly as you described this....

You do realize that you can be anti capitalist and socially conservative at the same time, right? Hitler's socialism is not the socialism of friggin' Denmark. Obviously.

How was Hitler "socially conservative?"

 

[kaz]

I'd say Hitler straddled the line between authoritarian left and right while Stalin was full on authoritarian left. Mussolini was far right authoritarian.

You didn't answer shit. The question was what is the difference between Hitler and Stalin. Be specific. The inane sweeping shit means shit

Theres quite a few differences but to keep it simple, mainly in who they hated/blamed. Stalin hated the wealthy and hitler hated the Jews.

Izatrite?


“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” – Gregor Strasser - OberFuhrer of the Gerrman National Socialist Workers Party, #2 to Adolf Hitler.


{. The theme was that the country’s values were being undermined by ‘rootless cosmopolitans.’ There was a particularly vicious assault on [Jewish] theater critics, eventually described as ‘an anti-party group.’ When their Russianized names or pseudonyms were given, the original Jewish name was printed in brackets, and papers asked how anyone so named could understand Russian culture. Meanwhile unpublicized arrests [of Jews], especially of writers in Yiddish, continued, and there was a general growth of public anti-Jewish pressure. Among those arrested at the end of 1948 was Polina Molotov.} - Stalin's Anti-Semitism

Hmmm, not exactly as you described this....

You do realize that you can be anti capitalist and socially conservative at the same time, right? Hitler's socialism is not the socialism of friggin' Denmark. Obviously.

Of course he doesn't realize anything that he hasn't been indoctrinated with.

Hitler wasn't even anti capitalist. He disliked the worst excesses of capitalism. He wanted capitalism to serve the volk, not pillage it like he had witnessed the banks do following the WWI.

You're just babbling nonsense. Hitler was a socialist. And he lead the socialist party. He knew what he was.

Hitler: I'm a socialist

Tehon: No you're not

Hitler: I effectively nationalized all industry

Tehon: No you didn't

 

[kaz]

Theres quite a few differences but to keep it simple, mainly in who they hated/blamed. Stalin hated the wealthy and hitler hated the Jews.

Izatrite?


“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” – Gregor Strasser - OberFuhrer of the Gerrman National Socialist Workers Party, #2 to Adolf Hitler.


{. The theme was that the country’s values were being undermined by ‘rootless cosmopolitans.’ There was a particularly vicious assault on [Jewish] theater critics, eventually described as ‘an anti-party group.’ When their Russianized names or pseudonyms were given, the original Jewish name was printed in brackets, and papers asked how anyone so named could understand Russian culture. Meanwhile unpublicized arrests [of Jews], especially of writers in Yiddish, continued, and there was a general growth of public anti-Jewish pressure. Among those arrested at the end of 1948 was Polina Molotov.} - Stalin's Anti-Semitism

Hmmm, not exactly as you described this....

You do realize that you can be anti capitalist and socially conservative at the same time, right? Hitler's socialism is not the socialism of friggin' Denmark. Obviously.

Of course he doesn't realize anything that he hasn't been indoctrinated with.

Hitler wasn't even anti capitalist. He disliked the worst excesses of capitalism. He wanted capitalism to serve the volk, not pillage it like he had witnessed the banks do following the WWI.

People, you can’t make this up!

Apparently you can't refute it either.

You're full of crap. Hitler effectively nationalist all industry. They had to follow government policy and get all major decisions approved by government. Central economic planning is socialism and the Nazis were the socialist party. You're just making it up

 

[BlackSand]

How was Hitler "right?" His economic policies were completely left

It would be easier to ask how Hitler's desires for the Third Reich represents a conservative stance.
Right or left doesn't matter ... He wasn't conservative ... He wanted to rule the world.

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[kaz]

How was Hitler "right?" His economic policies were completely left

It would be easier to ask how Hitler's desires for the Third Reich represents a conservative stance.
Right or left doesn't matter ... He wasn't conservative ... He wanted to rule the world.

.

Yep. Just like Stalin, Mao, Mussolini and other leftists. Leftists have killed millions and millions of people trying to rule the world

 

[dannyboys]

If the price of a commodity fluctuates then the cost of producing the commodity fluctuates...

Of course, but in terms of value, the socially necessary amount of labor time to produce a commodity at a given period of history, it is unaltered.

I shouldn't miss this opportunity to point out that financial capital greatly distorts the relationship between value and cost.

Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers' Party, GermanNationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism.Jan 11, 2018

 

[dannyboys]

You didn't answer shit. The question was what is the difference between Hitler and Stalin. Be specific. The inane sweeping shit means shit

Theres quite a few differences but to keep it simple, mainly in who they hated/blamed. Stalin hated the wealthy and hitler hated the Jews.

Izatrite?


“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” – Gregor Strasser - OberFuhrer of the Gerrman National Socialist Workers Party, #2 to Adolf Hitler.


{. The theme was that the country’s values were being undermined by ‘rootless cosmopolitans.’ There was a particularly vicious assault on [Jewish] theater critics, eventually described as ‘an anti-party group.’ When their Russianized names or pseudonyms were given, the original Jewish name was printed in brackets, and papers asked how anyone so named could understand Russian culture. Meanwhile unpublicized arrests [of Jews], especially of writers in Yiddish, continued, and there was a general growth of public anti-Jewish pressure. Among those arrested at the end of 1948 was Polina Molotov.} - Stalin's Anti-Semitism

Hmmm, not exactly as you described this....

You do realize that you can be anti capitalist and socially conservative at the same time, right? Hitler's socialism is not the socialism of friggin' Denmark. Obviously.

Of course he doesn't realize anything that he hasn't been indoctrinated with.

Hitler wasn't even anti capitalist. He disliked the worst excesses of capitalism. He wanted capitalism to serve the volk, not pillage it like he had witnessed the banks do following the WWI.

You're just babbling nonsense. Hitler was a socialist. And he lead the socialist party. He knew what he was.

Hitler: I'm a socialist

Tehon: No you're not

Hitler: I effectively nationalized all industry

Tehon: No you didn't

Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers' Party, GermanNationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism.Jan 11, 2018

 

[kaz]

Theres quite a few differences but to keep it simple, mainly in who they hated/blamed. Stalin hated the wealthy and hitler hated the Jews.

Izatrite?


“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” – Gregor Strasser - OberFuhrer of the Gerrman National Socialist Workers Party, #2 to Adolf Hitler.


{. The theme was that the country’s values were being undermined by ‘rootless cosmopolitans.’ There was a particularly vicious assault on [Jewish] theater critics, eventually described as ‘an anti-party group.’ When their Russianized names or pseudonyms were given, the original Jewish name was printed in brackets, and papers asked how anyone so named could understand Russian culture. Meanwhile unpublicized arrests [of Jews], especially of writers in Yiddish, continued, and there was a general growth of public anti-Jewish pressure. Among those arrested at the end of 1948 was Polina Molotov.} - Stalin's Anti-Semitism

Hmmm, not exactly as you described this....

You do realize that you can be anti capitalist and socially conservative at the same time, right? Hitler's socialism is not the socialism of friggin' Denmark. Obviously.

Of course he doesn't realize anything that he hasn't been indoctrinated with.

Hitler wasn't even anti capitalist. He disliked the worst excesses of capitalism. He wanted capitalism to serve the volk, not pillage it like he had witnessed the banks do following the WWI.

You're just babbling nonsense. Hitler was a socialist. And he lead the socialist party. He knew what he was.

Hitler: I'm a socialist

Tehon: No you're not

Hitler: I effectively nationalized all industry

Tehon: No you didn't

Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers' Party, GermanNationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism.Jan 11, 2018

Right ... and ???

 

[Moonglow]

Izatrite?


“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” – Gregor Strasser - OberFuhrer of the Gerrman National Socialist Workers Party, #2 to Adolf Hitler.


{. The theme was that the country’s values were being undermined by ‘rootless cosmopolitans.’ There was a particularly vicious assault on [Jewish] theater critics, eventually described as ‘an anti-party group.’ When their Russianized names or pseudonyms were given, the original Jewish name was printed in brackets, and papers asked how anyone so named could understand Russian culture. Meanwhile unpublicized arrests [of Jews], especially of writers in Yiddish, continued, and there was a general growth of public anti-Jewish pressure. Among those arrested at the end of 1948 was Polina Molotov.} - Stalin's Anti-Semitism

Hmmm, not exactly as you described this....

You do realize that you can be anti capitalist and socially conservative at the same time, right? Hitler's socialism is not the socialism of friggin' Denmark. Obviously.

Of course he doesn't realize anything that he hasn't been indoctrinated with.

Hitler wasn't even anti capitalist. He disliked the worst excesses of capitalism. He wanted capitalism to serve the volk, not pillage it like he had witnessed the banks do following the WWI.

You're just babbling nonsense. Hitler was a socialist. And he lead the socialist party. He knew what he was.

Hitler: I'm a socialist

Tehon: No you're not

Hitler: I effectively nationalized all industry

Tehon: No you didn't

Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers' Party, GermanNationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism.Jan 11, 2018

Right ... and ???

same question..

 

[Moonglow]

Theres quite a few differences but to keep it simple, mainly in who they hated/blamed. Stalin hated the wealthy and hitler hated the Jews.

Izatrite?


“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” – Gregor Strasser - OberFuhrer of the Gerrman National Socialist Workers Party, #2 to Adolf Hitler.


{. The theme was that the country’s values were being undermined by ‘rootless cosmopolitans.’ There was a particularly vicious assault on [Jewish] theater critics, eventually described as ‘an anti-party group.’ When their Russianized names or pseudonyms were given, the original Jewish name was printed in brackets, and papers asked how anyone so named could understand Russian culture. Meanwhile unpublicized arrests [of Jews], especially of writers in Yiddish, continued, and there was a general growth of public anti-Jewish pressure. Among those arrested at the end of 1948 was Polina Molotov.} - Stalin's Anti-Semitism

Hmmm, not exactly as you described this....

You do realize that you can be anti capitalist and socially conservative at the same time, right? Hitler's socialism is not the socialism of friggin' Denmark. Obviously.

Of course he doesn't realize anything that he hasn't been indoctrinated with.

Hitler wasn't even anti capitalist. He disliked the worst excesses of capitalism. He wanted capitalism to serve the volk, not pillage it like he had witnessed the banks do following the WWI.

You're just babbling nonsense. Hitler was a socialist. And he lead the socialist party. He knew what he was.

Hitler: I'm a socialist

Tehon: No you're not

Hitler: I effectively nationalized all industry

Tehon: No you didn't

Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers' Party, GermanNationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism.Jan 11, 2018

Autarky - Wikipedia

 

[kaz]

You do realize that you can be anti capitalist and socially conservative at the same time, right? Hitler's socialism is not the socialism of friggin' Denmark. Obviously.

Of course he doesn't realize anything that he hasn't been indoctrinated with.

Hitler wasn't even anti capitalist. He disliked the worst excesses of capitalism. He wanted capitalism to serve the volk, not pillage it like he had witnessed the banks do following the WWI.

You're just babbling nonsense. Hitler was a socialist. And he lead the socialist party. He knew what he was.

Hitler: I'm a socialist

Tehon: No you're not

Hitler: I effectively nationalized all industry

Tehon: No you didn't

Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers' Party, GermanNationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism.Jan 11, 2018

Right ... and ???

same question..

More gibberish from broken English boy.

Before you click "post reply," does it ... EVER ... occur to you to read your post and ask yourself if anyone will have any idea what the hell you're talking about?

What does "same question" mean? Same question as what? You're agreeing with my question and want to ask the same one? You're asking me the same question I asked him? If so, it was a long discussion, which part do you want clarification of? Same question as what to who regarding what?

 

[dannyboys]

Of course he doesn't realize anything that he hasn't been indoctrinated with.

Hitler wasn't even anti capitalist. He disliked the worst excesses of capitalism. He wanted capitalism to serve the volk, not pillage it like he had witnessed the banks do following the WWI.

You're just babbling nonsense. Hitler was a socialist. And he lead the socialist party. He knew what he was.

Hitler: I'm a socialist

Tehon: No you're not

Hitler: I effectively nationalized all industry

Tehon: No you didn't

Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers' Party, GermanNationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism.Jan 11, 2018

Right ... and ???

same question..

More gibberish from broken English boy.

Before you click "post reply," does it ... EVER ... occur to you to read your post and ask yourself if anyone will have any idea what the hell you're talking about?

What does "same question" mean? Same question as what? You're agreeing with my question and want to ask the same one? You're asking me the same question I asked him? If so, it was a long discussion, which part do you want clarification of? Same question as what to who regarding what?

His a troll. Get rid!

 

[kaz]

Izatrite?


“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” – Gregor Strasser - OberFuhrer of the Gerrman National Socialist Workers Party, #2 to Adolf Hitler.


{. The theme was that the country’s values were being undermined by ‘rootless cosmopolitans.’ There was a particularly vicious assault on [Jewish] theater critics, eventually described as ‘an anti-party group.’ When their Russianized names or pseudonyms were given, the original Jewish name was printed in brackets, and papers asked how anyone so named could understand Russian culture. Meanwhile unpublicized arrests [of Jews], especially of writers in Yiddish, continued, and there was a general growth of public anti-Jewish pressure. Among those arrested at the end of 1948 was Polina Molotov.} - Stalin's Anti-Semitism

Hmmm, not exactly as you described this....

You do realize that you can be anti capitalist and socially conservative at the same time, right? Hitler's socialism is not the socialism of friggin' Denmark. Obviously.

Of course he doesn't realize anything that he hasn't been indoctrinated with.

Hitler wasn't even anti capitalist. He disliked the worst excesses of capitalism. He wanted capitalism to serve the volk, not pillage it like he had witnessed the banks do following the WWI.

You're just babbling nonsense. Hitler was a socialist. And he lead the socialist party. He knew what he was.

Hitler: I'm a socialist

Tehon: No you're not

Hitler: I effectively nationalized all industry

Tehon: No you didn't

Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers' Party, GermanNationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism.Jan 11, 2018

Autarky - Wikipedia

Another pointless point by broken English boy. How does self sufficiency pertain to the definition of Nazi?

 

[Uncensored2008]

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You do realize that you can be anti capitalist and socially conservative at the same time, right? Hitler's socialism is not the socialism of friggin' Denmark. Obviously.

I'm not sure what you mean by "conservative"

In the parlance of today, Capitalism and conservatism are one and the same, that is to say the enemy of the Marxist democrats.

The Nazis were exactly what they said they were, Totalitarian Socialists. The desire of the Marxists to claim "they did it tooooo" does not render reality moot.

There is liberty and there is tyranny, the modern conservative is a champion of liberty while the Marxist democrats and their allies in the International Communist community of Soros promote tyranny. Basically, Socialism holds that all things belong to the state, particularly the people.

Denmark is a small, racially and culturally homogeneous state. In small groups where everyone is bought in, socialism has a greater chance of success, even so, Denmark is not what the left claims.

{
Scandinavian Countries Aren’t Socialist
One of the reasons it is incorrect to refer to countries like Sweden as “socialist” is that these countries were once far more progressive than they are now. The Economist says Sweden was once a “tax-and-spend” economy in which author Astrid Lindgren (of “Pippi Longstocking” fame) was required to pay more than 100 percent of her income in taxes. This heavily progressive tax rate stunted economic growth, and Sweden fellfrom the fourth-wealthiest country in the world to the fourteenth-wealthiest country in just 23 years.

The electoral success of moderate and conservative parties throughout Scandinavia is at once a rejection of progressive policies and an endorsement of free markets.
The government recognized the cause of the trouble and instituted several capitalist reforms to resuscitate Sweden’s economy. According to The Economist, following the success of Sweden’s relatively right-leaning Moderate party, “Swedish GDP is growing strongly, and unemployment is falling. The budget is heading into surplus next year.” The article notes that many Swedes support moderate and right-wing reforms: “The centre-right has made welfare payments less generous, cut taxes for the lower-paid and trimmed the numbers on sickness benefit. Voters seem to approve.” The electoral success of moderate and conservative parties throughout Scandinavia is at once a rejection of progressive policies and an endorsement of free markets in what some consider to be the most progressive region in the world.}

Scandinavia Isn’t A Socialist Paradise

 

[Moonglow]

The Great Depression had spurred state ownership in most Western capitalist countries. This also took place in Germany in the years prior to the Nazi political takeover. But when the National Socialist German Workers' Party took power, industries were privatized en masse. Several banks, shipyards, railway lines, shipping lines, welfare organizations, and more were privatized.[34] Albert Speer in his memoirs remarked that “a kind of state socialism seemed to be gaining more and more ground” among many Nazi party functionaries, warning that Germany’s industry was becoming “the framework for a state-socialist economic order.” In the same page however, he remarks how Hitler made a speech to industrialists about why private property is important
Economy of Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

 

[Moonglow]

You do realize that you can be anti capitalist and socially conservative at the same time, right? Hitler's socialism is not the socialism of friggin' Denmark. Obviously.

Of course he doesn't realize anything that he hasn't been indoctrinated with.

Hitler wasn't even anti capitalist. He disliked the worst excesses of capitalism. He wanted capitalism to serve the volk, not pillage it like he had witnessed the banks do following the WWI.

You're just babbling nonsense. Hitler was a socialist. And he lead the socialist party. He knew what he was.

Hitler: I'm a socialist

Tehon: No you're not

Hitler: I effectively nationalized all industry

Tehon: No you didn't

Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers' Party, GermanNationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism.Jan 11, 2018

Autarky - Wikipedia

Another pointless point by broken English boy. How does self sufficiency pertain to the definition of Nazi?

read and learn my ignorant one..

 

[kaz]

Of course he doesn't realize anything that he hasn't been indoctrinated with.

Hitler wasn't even anti capitalist. He disliked the worst excesses of capitalism. He wanted capitalism to serve the volk, not pillage it like he had witnessed the banks do following the WWI.

You're just babbling nonsense. Hitler was a socialist. And he lead the socialist party. He knew what he was.

Hitler: I'm a socialist

Tehon: No you're not

Hitler: I effectively nationalized all industry

Tehon: No you didn't

Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers' Party, GermanNationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism.Jan 11, 2018

Autarky - Wikipedia

Another pointless point by broken English boy. How does self sufficiency pertain to the definition of Nazi?

read and learn my ignorant one..

So you're asking me to read your link and explain to you what your point was?

 

[Moonglow]

You're just babbling nonsense. Hitler was a socialist. And he lead the socialist party. He knew what he was.

Hitler: I'm a socialist

Tehon: No you're not

Hitler: I effectively nationalized all industry

Tehon: No you didn't

Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers' Party, GermanNationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), political party of the mass movement known as National Socialism.Jan 11, 2018

Autarky - Wikipedia

Another pointless point by broken English boy. How does self sufficiency pertain to the definition of Nazi?

read and learn my ignorant one..

So you're asking me to read your link and explain to you what your point was?

It's part of the German ideology of economics.....I didn't ask you to do a damn thing, you took it upon yourself to interject your dumbass in someone else's convo, jerk......

 

[Uncensored2008]

How anyone can watch socialism take down a country in just the last decade or so in Venezuela and still think that's the system we need in place here is mind boggling.

You don't understand. What happened in Venezuela is exactly the outcome people like Fascist Franco seek.

Socialists aren't looking to improve themselves, if they were then Capitalism would be their goal. These Marxist democrats want revenge against those who have done better than they. They just want to burn it all down.

The desperation and misery of Venezuela is precisely what the Marxists seek to impose here.